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A disturbing look into the fastest growing religion in America?

  1. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    http://markpknowles.com/wp-content/uplo … tofman.jpg

    this was worth its own space.



    I am going to break this picture down from left to right, so if I say "the third monkey" that is the third monkey from the left.

    The first monkey is actually a chimp. However, it has the back jaw structure of a human. No fossile evidence. beleive me, I've dug(archeology). It was also said for many many many years that man evolved from a chimp. However- chimps are still here but monkeys 1 through 5 are not?
    Monkey #2 is sexually confused and may or may not have a penis. This is the evolution of man. Now the artist led you to believe that the right leg of monkey #2 may or may not be covering a penis, but it was no mistake. Look at monkey #3. It does have boobs- as noticed by Sandra. Now the arm covers the area and one is left to wonder if monkey #3 is able to impregnate itself and nurture the baby monkey it made? Monkey #4. same thing, but now the boobs are gone. Monkey #4 was also interesting because it was not wise enough to use a sharp tool like monkey #5. your ancestor was basically that stupid. Thank God for millions of years because if you wanted to kill something, you would have to use a rounded river rock. Wow. Monkey #5 made that tool he is holding. I say he because the penis is visible. You can tell that he made it by the small chip marks(chirting) and the uniform shape. He is smart enough to make tools. However, in evolution theory the oldest tools are made around 40K years ago. He can't be that old because there is no fossile evidence for him. Only artistic renditions such as this- oh and that has been gathered from sloth teeth(OOOPS GUYS)

    1. starme77 profile image89
      starme77posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nice smile

    2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's amazing how little sense this post makes if you don't click on the link. And perhaps even more amazing that it stil doesn't make sense even after clicking on the link. That picture is dumb, in any case, because I'm pretty sure Man didn't go into space until 1960, unless this is a reference to Charlton Heston in that movie...
      Anyway, this is all extremely silly. Why in the name of God do you CARE about this stuff.

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you didn't see it as an evolutionary rendition? man's ancestory was chimp and he evolved into a space traveling genius. There were tools, rocks, weiners, boobs -its all there. This is the stuff a religion was made off of. Maybe you just don't buy into the art like me? good job.

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What religion. I mean, I know what you're getting at, but why exactly do you call it a religion. A religion is a set of beliefs about the spiritual realm that includes instruction for how to live one's life. How is evolution that???

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It's "encoded in their DNA". <-- thats what they say. I'm not saying I get it either. There is a whole bunch of information on how to act and even to become 'militant' towards those who don't buy into it. They do have church leaders and they do have standards. Though, I say the bar might be pretty low.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Who is they. Is this another "reds under the beds" thing

              1. sooner than later profile image61
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                They is clear. You were asking about them.

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  It's really not

                  1. sooner than later profile image61
                    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    They are those who believed less than 12 years ago that man evolved from chimps. It was "Fact". Now the "fact" is that man and chimp evolved from a squirrel type animal and branched their different ways in the evolutionary tree. Problem is, half of "them" didn't get the update because no religion likes owning up to false "facts". Thats as clear as I can be. You are one of "them" or not.

    3. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sooo, you're trying to disprove evolution with a picture.

      Do you not realize the flaws here?



      I like how all religious people take the high road by assuming they're going to be "saved" and nobody else will... even though they don't follow the teachings of their own prophets.  It's so... self righteous.

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I like how all non-religious assume they know more about religion than those who study religion, history, archeology and prophecy. Its so... annoying.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I have studied all of these subjects, especially history and archaeology.  Your assumptions are once again flawed.

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
            IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I think we first need to realize that people can educate themselves on a belief system, and still decide to turn away.  That's ok you know.  As a disciple of Christ, why are you insulting them sooner?  Why are you giving them threats of salvation?  Why are you not silently praying for their health, happiness, and praying for a blessing of peace for them?  As a disciple of Christ, love and compassion is the key to witnessing.  Be Christ-like, and not spiteful that is the true science of Christ.  The true way of love.  The truth in his belief concept.  Telling Randy that their way is not the right way, and to assume then that they are not educated in Christ is not the best possible approach to witnessing in God's image.  Now is it?  Do you honestly think that mocking Randy, or anyone else for that matter is something Christ would have done?  Is that something he wants us to do as his followers?  Dig deep within you, you know it wouldn't be. 

            What good are we doing here, if we cannot have the foresight to gain knowledge and understanding?

            1. sooner than later profile image61
              sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I said one comment about salvation. That is all. I havn't been around Jesus to know what is absolutely right and what is wrong. His desciples got it wrong after three good years with Him. I can't say you are absolutely right either. But I do have prayers and I do have my belief. It is my opintion that what Jesus taught has been watered down. I also am under the impresssion that one can not hold opinions like mine without great opposition. I celebrate the challenge.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Okay, martyrdom is cool.

              2. IntimatEvolution profile image79
                IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I'm not so sure how they got the message wrong {Christs disciples and all}.  So maybe we can talk about that sometime.  I'm very interested in your position.  And you are absolutely right, one can have opinions of there own.  My bad, I thought you might be trying to express the goodness and love of Christ.  I thought you were trying to express to Randy and others, the importance of Christ, his compassion, and his message of salvation.  See I thought, you were trying to get them to see what it means to be a Christian....  My bad.  I didn't realize you were just trying to get them to be like you and to hold your own personal belief system or opinion. 

                However, if you are entitled to your beliefs without insults, are they not entitle to theirs?  Just thinking out loud. 

                My bad....

                1. sooner than later profile image61
                  sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  OK. I forgive you.

        2. Pr0metheus profile image60
          Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Where in there do I claim to know more about religion than you?  Once again, you've taken the self-righteous path and assumed I have not studied religion, archeology or prophecy.

          I told atomswifey what I'll tell you now.  Instead of embracing others beliefs for what they are, you are denouncing them and attempting impose your own beliefs upon them.  You are driving "non-believers" away from "salvation".  You are doing the work of Satan.

          Father forgive him, for he knows not what he does.

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            you can see it that way..Interesting !

          2. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not the reason why you stay away. Nice try. I came in here with religious vigor and excitement for what I have. I personally remember you oh saint. I must have looked like easy prey when I started talking about Jesus- because you sure pounced. I have actually learned all of the tactics of the atheist. They know when to pounce, when to accuse, when to act hurt, and when to insult. I feel like a salty verteran and I've only been here a few months. Pulling the self righteous card.... one of the fav.

            1. Pr0metheus profile image60
              Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You're right, you don't have the power to keep me away.  I am not a christian for a couple reasons.  History has shown time and time again the horrors that are committed in the name of religion.  That is the major one.


              Easy prey is no fun.  But I'm not treating you like prey, merely pointing out a major problem in your "Holier than thou" attitude.



              Once again, assuming you know me.  Get off your self-righteous high horse.  I hate to burst your bubble, but I am not an atheist.  That must have blown your mind.  I believe in a god.  I meditate.  I have even been known to pray on rare occasions.


              I'm sure they do, too bad I'm not an atheist.  Maybe you should let go of your automatic assumptions and actually analyze the way you speak (or type) to others.


              I'm sure you get it all the time.

              1. sooner than later profile image61
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this
      2. IntimatEvolution profile image79
        IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Not all of us............  Some of us do save that for our God to decide. So not "all" of us.smile

  2. profile image0
    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Drat!
    When you started mentioning so many monkeys, I thought you might be referring to the Brad Pitt movie "The Army of Twelve Monkeys".

    He was soooo funny and talented in that movie.

    Sorry to interrupt.

    Oh...yeah....ummm.....who cares about monkey penises?
    Has nothing to do with mankind.

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lady monkeys, I imagine

  3. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I think you meant to say monkeys have nothing to do with man kind. if so, you are correct.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Everything has something to do with mankind! We are so similar to a banana it is no wonder some people think like fruit! lol

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        ohh? explain please. I have seen your extensive knowledge and field work experience shine through before, but this one should be fun. lol lol

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Go find it yourself! lol

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            thats what I thought. lol all bark. arf arf.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No bark just aware that nothing changes zealots! smile

              1. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
                Davidsonofjesieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                genenetic mutations in d.n.a. only causes decease & illness not change from monkey to man

                1. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
                  Davidsonofjesieposted 7 years ago in reply to this
    2. DogSiDaed profile image60
      DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We didn't evolve from monkeys as we know them. We're part of the same branch, but they didn't come before us as such. We're distant cousins in effect.

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes yes, i've heard the new slogan. haha. Is that how it went down. Bring me back some fresh pond slime in the process of macro and/or micro evolution and I will believe you. Otherwise thats still silly.

        1. DogSiDaed profile image60
          DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That's not a new slogan, that is what has always been the case, it is just widely misunderstood. If I bring you ordinary pond slime then that will be undergoing evolution no doubt. Although so slowly that you'll be dead before noticing anything most likely tongue Unless we play around with the genes of course

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I know your religion. trust me.

            1. DogSiDaed profile image60
              DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this
  4. profile image0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Speaking of which, where is the food spread here? big_smile

  5. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    *pouring wine and reaching for cheese*

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      An olive with that? smile

      1. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, thank you, it will work smile

  6. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I know what you were thinking earnest. Let me try to think like you guys. lets go back to the banana comment.

    So the banana evolved first. One day "somehow"<-- your theory has a lot of these words in it-- the banana realized how good it must taste. without brain or conciousness it "somehow" knew that it wanted to eat itself. Maybe through genetic encoding in the DNA!!! Somehow it started evolving 1/2 of the banana species into hairy bananas. Then the hairy bananas grew ears and a tail because a super rich soup like goop splashed on it durring its prime Macro evolution stage. lol sorry. back on track. Somehow it knew that it still needed a mouth with teeth hard enough to chew it.
    I can't do it. I feel like I am going to far and Dawkins will run with my idea. I can't have him sell this to you guys and make all the profit.

    Is your favorite channel sci fi? lol

    1. DogSiDaed profile image60
      DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We genetically modified bananas into the modern banana. Look it up, it should be on the internet smile Bananas used to look and taste nothing like they do now. smile

      Edit: Image of a 'wild type' banana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Insid … banana.jpg

  7. profile image0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    It's the SYFY channel now, BTW . big_smile

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ohh, when did that happen. haha

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sometime last Summer I think?

  8. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I skimed through all the posts VERY quickly.  All thast I have got to say is that prophesy says that it is goina get pretty ugly ba for its is dun.. (darkrst before the dawn)

  9. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I would agree with that.

  10. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Heck, Dawkins called for his army to get millitant against the religious. We are stopping the evolution process. <-- wish I could laugh about that.

    http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1kMl5A/ww … heism.html

    your fearless leader teaching in our government funded schools. yay!!!

    1. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         You can fill every room in the house with watermelons, cucumbers, helium baloons topless dancers, and three turtle doves and a partrage in a pear tree and things are still goina do what they are goina do, weather it fits into your algerithem of what reality is; or not.

  11. profile image0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Yes, and when you're done, I'll take the topless dancers home. big_smile

    1. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         sounds like a good idea.  How long do we get to stay??

  12. aguasilver profile image88
    aguasilverposted 7 years ago

    Sorry. long night out with my pastor... what is the fastest growing religion in America?

    1. DogSiDaed profile image60
      DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well I think Sooner is talking about atheism, and has somehow gotten it mixed up with evolution, which isn't directly related at all smile

    2. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Disbelief

      lol

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Funny, you should mention that.... big_smile

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Why?
          I'm a true believer of myself !
          big_smile

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            Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I believe that you believe.... big_smile

            1. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm thinking seriously on founding a Church.
              big_smile

              1. profile image0
                Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Can I be a Cardinal in it or something like that?.....

                1. tantrum profile image59
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure!
                  And if you behave, maybe the God ! big_smile

                  1. profile image0
                    Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yay! I get to wear a long, white robe and stuff? big_smile

              2. DogSiDaed profile image60
                DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The church of infinite belief in belief?

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwnhICmxzcw

                I have a song for every occasion! big_smile

                1. tantrum profile image59
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Of the Infinite Belief of Tantrumness Belief.
                  lol

                  1. DogSiDaed profile image60
                    DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I believe
                    You could be
                    What I need
                    (Oh just keeps coming round again)
                    To believe

                    I believe
                    You could be
                    What I need
                    (It just keeps coming round again)
                    To believe

                    Lyrics very nearly work tongue

                    It'd be like ping pong belief between you and Denno smile NO SACRIFICING LAMBS IN THIS RELIGION! tongue

  13. DogSiDaed profile image60
    DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago

    Oh wait I misquoted wink

  14. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    its a belief system. has nothing to do with atheism except that most atheists also share that belief system. odd.

    1. DogSiDaed profile image60
      DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's because most atheists follow logic and reason, which is also supplied by evolution. smile

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Is it logical to think that every square inch of the world has suffered a massive flood at some point in evolution? So massive in fact that it could bury live animals in mud in an instant. Thats what fossiles share in common.

        1. DogSiDaed profile image60
          DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No it isn't logical, because there isn't enough water smile Where does that water come from? Space? tongue

          Also fossils are not all buried at the same time. Millions and millions of years seperate their burial. Some years are more common as conditions were better, some periods much worse. But the fossils are all dated within a wide spread. No one event caused every fossils deposition. Sorry.

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Don't be sorry to me, you are letting yourself down not me. Were there no mountains or valleys? Stratum layers are all flat. The mud would have had to flow down mountainsides over and over and over and over and over, but those layers are flat. Time time time evolution calls for more time. time explains them being there, but it doesn't explain my questions. Evolution ignores the proper questions and answeres with time. The one thing man cannot comprehend. Walla a religion.

            1. DogSiDaed profile image60
              DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm a little confused about what you're saying. Do you mean that in order for something from a mountain to be fossilised mud has to flow on it?!?! Fold mountains my friend smile That I think is what you are looking for here. Ok so time explains my point, which was an answer to your question but your question is not answered? Don't confuse me with your paradoxes wink Why is time an invalid answer? I can comprehend time. It's 1:58 am where I am. Soon it will be 1:59. That is a minute. that's a comprehensive 60 seconds smile

              1. sooner than later profile image61
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I am saying in order for something to become a fossile in the fist place..... wait for it(I'm trying to slow 'time' down so maybe you will grasp this).... it must have been completely covered in mud. Very rapidly. Otherwise we would see cows getting fossilized wouldn't we? tick tock.

                1. DogSiDaed profile image60
                  DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Or ash yes. We don't get fossils everywhere. Animals may fall into bogs for example and be preserved, buried in ash and preserved. Buried in a mud flow. Most often ending up in a riverbed or seabed and being covered by silt.

                  Ok, now that that's sorted out, what's your actual point? tongue

                  1. sooner than later profile image61
                    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                     

                    oh I see. so when I dig up the same species in different stratum layers that represent millions of years apart, I am to think that that species lived for over 80 million years and died in the same area millions of years later. But if that layer represents millions of years and the dino is large enough to cover half of the stratum layer- does that mean the dino was burried over a period of half of the age of the stratum layer? I mean, those layers are so old that space dust could have made an impact, right? I'm just messin with you.

                    You did a perfect job of identifying stratym as mud and volcanic activity, not millions of years worth of wear and tear.

  15. profile image0
    Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago

    That's just Enos the Chimp they sent into space.
    He liked it so much, he evolved into an Astronaut.

  16. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I realize that this got a little too hard for some of you to explain- hold hands and skip off into the sunset laughing.

  17. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    I will be thinking 'situations' ! big_smile

    1. DogSiDaed profile image60
      DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh dear, this could be tough tongue

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you said there was any problem ..... hmm

  18. Richieb799 profile image61
    Richieb799posted 7 years ago

    Its a traumatic occurance when an animal falls into a bog, like your dead gold fish for example lol

  19. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    roll

  20. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    big_smile

  21. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    lol

  22. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I don't think so! You think Sir David made up the bones he shows us? Is he ignorant of your duperior knowledge? lol Duperior was a typo, but I like it! lol

    1. DogSiDaed profile image60
      DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Duperior sounds like a cartoon supervillain to me smile

  23. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    "Theres something happining here"
        " What it is aint exactly clear"

        " Battle lines dein drawn"
        " nobodys wright if everybodys wrong"

               I forget.  What is the next verse???

  24. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    You wouldn't be getting so defensive if it wasn't a religion. Earnest unkowingly announces the church leaders. Sadly, those guys deeply believe their cause beyond reasonable evidence. They actually have the ability to ignore the obvious.

    I was on your team. I just got a first hand look at the blue prints. You havn't had that liberty. You get biased information and I am sorry.

  25. IntimatEvolution profile image79
    IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago

    Evolution always brings out the worst in Christians.  So now what since someone has admitted what you want?  Is it now an end to this forum thread?  I hope so.

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thats a biased opinion. You are a believer in a church. Therefor all of the insults that you have given the religious are stinging.

      Anyway. I have had enough fun. The evidence is there for those who seek.

      Night.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I would rather get your answers sooner than later!

        1. DogSiDaed profile image60
          DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Randy, you know as well as I do that sadly, this guy only has questions and no answers.

          Edit: I like the snake, nice touch

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, it is sad,DSD.  I do not have a degree in archaeology either, but as an amateur, I have studied much about the science.  My main area of expertise is Native American artifacts and history as one can tell from some of my hubs.

            It must be terrible to have to bend science into all sorts of shapes to make it fit religious beliefs.  Yes, it is indeed sad. 

            I don't know about the snakes though.  So many people dislike snakes so I figured if they liked my hubs it wouldn't be because I had a picture of a handsome man on it.  (but I am a hunk though)

            1. habee profile image92
              habeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm tellin'!!!

        2. IntimatEvolution profile image79
          IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not sure how your opinion of mine is a bias one, as a Christian I believe in evolution.  So I'm not too sure what you or Randy are trying to get at. 

          It is my opinion that primates existed as long as 47 millions years ago.  And so far, I believe the most traceable ancestor comes from an area now located in middle Germany.  However, it wasn't until a recent discovery that made me think that.  Since I was a small child, I thought that the first mammals came from somewhere like Ethiopia.   You know, one can believe in Jesus Christ and not believe in Gensis.  Do not get too carried away in your assumptions about us Christians.  Especially you Randy Goodwin, surely you know I'm not an ordinary Christian.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Good for you, IE!  I do not dislike those who believe they are Christians.  Most in this part of the world claim to believe in God.  They have had God drummed into their heads since they were babies.  Had they been born in the Middle East, chances are they would be Muslims worshiping Allah.

            I don't know what an ordinary Christian is.

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
              IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Um....... I think you might since you were somewhat amazed that I still had an ounce of common sense.lol

              But I know what you mean, and I read what you mean.  Good to see you in the forums tonight.smile

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I never doubted your common sense IE.  Good seeing you too!

    2. profile image0
      Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why do atheists call everyone who believes in God christians?

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        'Christian' the word was meant as an insult by the romans and was created by them. Those who believe in Christ accepted the insult with grace. saddly, non-believers have inherited the same ignorant and assumptive personality. They can't help it.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Boy was I wrong!  I thought it was because they followed Christ's teachings.

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well there's a little history lesson for the word. lol

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So, if I called you a "Historian," would you be insulted?

              1. sooner than later profile image61
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No, I would accept it with grace. lol

        2. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So, you're calling me an ignorant?

          Maybe that's why you ignore me !
          lol

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            here we go. rolling my eyes. Get it out tantrum.

            1. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol

              So?
              Are you calling me an ignorant or not ?
              lol

              1. sooner than later profile image61
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                If I did, would you accept the name with grace?

                1. tantrum profile image59
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  coming from you it sounds more like a disgrace

      2. IntimatEvolution profile image79
        IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think because it is a common misconception.  More importantly, Christians seem to be the only "Holier than Thou" radicals.  Which really makes for much more fun, when wanting to get underneath someone's skin.  If I would wanted to start a shouting match,(which I don't) I'd start with my faith {Christian} first.  We as a whole, are the rudest by far of any group of people, and definitely nobody rants louder than us.:\

        1. creepy profile image61
          creepyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I know what you mean christians always cutting people heads off and stuff holier than thou radicals    wait

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
            IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It is a shame.  But you know when people don't seem to have the know how to discuss an issue respectably, without forced upon bs, Christians as a whole look like mean spirited people.

  26. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    So dear old David rabbit burrow is a church leader now? lol

  27. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    My book shows the good and the bad. Your belief is always positive, though evidence cannot come quick enough. That is why so much is fabricated. So many drawings are made from bone fragments. The excitement of the unknown I suspect drives it.

    1. DogSiDaed profile image60
      DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Much as the fear of the unknown drives you smile

  28. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    RD, come back! I'm teasing! BTW, I did NOT say anything about the Facebook message. I didn't even know! I haven't been on that page since WAY before Christmas!!

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Tellin' what?  Yeah I know, she's your friend, can't you do something about her?

  29. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Are you calling me an ignorant ?

  30. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Randy, I can only teach you so much each day. Are you retaining any information? Besides your assumptive remarks.

    why do I feel like they are still coming up? must by my intuition.

  31. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    lol
    never heard something more ridiculous!
    A religion !! lol

  32. Tom Cornett profile image56
    Tom Cornettposted 7 years ago

    Quit screwing with religion!  You'll pluck your eye out kid!  yikes

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's an old photo hmm

  33. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    lol
    Mysteries, mysteries!

  34. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Two words.
    David Attenborough!

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Now who's invoking God?!

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

  35. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago

    Go easy on Sooner.  He has had a rough couple of days.  Facts and logic make him edgy.  Besides, no one takes him seriously when it comes to archaeology.

  36. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Someone did for 30 years. You don't take me serious because it contradicts your religion. WWDD

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, archaeology contradicts your religion which is the reason you are so adamant about your disbelief in evolution.  Did you ever say whether you had a degree in archeology or not?  I mean other than your vague answering by asking questions.

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I said yes twice. My field does not contradict anything. It uncovers the truth. You don't look for answers as I have told you about my degree more than once. Your ability to overlook what you don't want to see is the same curse that keeps you from any form of truth. Thats why Jesus repeated all the important information twice. He knew even the smart wouldn't get it.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So how did you get a degree in archaeology when you disagree with with mainstream scientists?  Don't tell me you gave your interpretation of fossil evidence on the exams and still passed.  Or did you get your degree from one of those fundamentalist creationism schools?

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Haha. this post is the most funny to me. You are right, I would not have passed by my current understanding. You don't see do you. You just identified the very problem with the field- You better agree or you are not going to make it. I have told you this, you laugh and still you make these type of posts. Thats right Randy- there is this problem. I told my son to do whatever it requires to get his degree. He will graduate next year with his "reputable degree". Creation Scientists are growing- too bad we have to deal with the politics to get there.
            Lucky for me- I was an Atheist most of my life. So I did pass. HAHA. Am I reputable? ohh I have the same certificate as the next fool.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Contrary to what you may think, this is not funny to me.  I take it very seriously when people such as you corrupt science into idiotic theories in order to suit your beliefs. 

              This is nothing new of course, read about the Salem witch trials and the murder cause by so called educated men corrupted by their belief in god.  Science has long been retarded by people like you.  Not funny, just pathetic.  How old do you think the earth is by your own research?

              1. sooner than later profile image61
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I wasn't religious when I discovered the first major flaw in your religion.

  37. Shadesbreath profile image89
    Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago

    The grotesque lack of wide and deep reading that underpins these arguments for so many is frightening on a social level far more than it impacts point making in the discussion.

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We've gone deeper I just didn't see you there.

  38. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    And this is the man ( soonerthanlater) that follows me around the threads saying I'm ignorant and uneducated.
    what a laugh !
    lol

    1. RNMSN profile image88
      RNMSNposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      tantrum I love you  smile   you remind me of my baby girl...never afaid to be herself  smile  love to you

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hey there !
        Thanks !
        I just found you, reading all this nonsense !
        lol

  39. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I know you may think I'm ignorant but I remember a couple of weeks ago you told me this would never happen.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Asking again, how old do you believe the earth is by your "educated" opinion?

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It would be more funny to hear the "factual" age that you think the earth is right now. Wait, bring up all the extensions that the science required. When I was in school it was in the millions. How many billions does it require?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You seem to have a problem giving straight answers to questions.  I will ask you nothing else because you obviously are afraid to commit yourself.  Besides, your posts and hubs indicate your lack of competence in both science and writing ability. 

          I wonder why you are here at all.

        2. profile image60
          The Paulposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sooner than Later, you must be both a very well-informed and intellectually honest person.

          I can tell from how you avoid topics and refuse to answer straightforward questions.

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Indeed. I actually get tired of repeating myself. So, in an effort to promote education- I make them look it up the second time around. I did say how old I thought the earth was in a thread named "how old do you think the earth is".

        3. IntimatEvolution profile image79
          IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What is the estimation now?  300 billion?  I remember when I was in elementary school, the world was thought to be 7 million years old.  How funny...  I'm glad that science has not be one of the classes cut by government spending cuts.  We'd definitly would still be in the dark ages. 

          7 millions year old...  that should tell you I'm old.

  40. RNMSN profile image88
    RNMSNposted 7 years ago

    weird...the higher power just did it dude...we will find out the HOW and the WHY when we are in the big cicle why argue about it better yet why fight about it? just love the higher power and love one another dude it aint rocket science

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Correct!  It is natural science and it's there for anyone who cares to see it.  I suppose there is a giant conspiracy between learned men/women to keep everyone from believing in the bible.  To what end, I wonder. 

      People trust science as long as it benefits them or their beliefs. Medical treatment is seldom refused by believers if they think it will cure them from some ailment or another.  They love to use the internet to proclaim the falsity of scientific evidence contrary to their faith.  They daily use many scientific discoveries to ease their work or to travel around the world or to communicate with others. 

      So why do they hate scientific findings which threaten their beliefs?  Do they think their god is not powerful enough to use evolution as a means of accomplishing his will?  I consider myself agnostic.  I do not know if there is a god or not and frankly it doesn't bother me much either way.  But if there is, I hope he is smarter than portrayed by his followers here on earth.  I wonder why he would choose such incapable spokesmen to straighten the unbelievers out.  Does logic and facts have no place in religion?  I cannot make myself believe this is true.  Ah well, nothing changes it seems.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
        IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Randy, without science is there no way of proving truth that God is real.  Without science, Christians would be without the tools to provide a concrete foundation that what we believe is real. 

        What I think sometimes that gets in the way of Christian reasoning, is that they personally take the book of Genesis too literal.  Many forget that the Book of Genesis is first and foremost a Hebrew tale, one told for the Jews by the Jews.  As a Christian- Christ never said to believe in the book of Genesis.  No- he said to follow the LAWS of God handed down to Moses.  Well the last time I looked, none of the 10 commandments said to believe everything in the book of Genesis to be fact. 

        Without science, the proof Christians need to provide truth to our sacred doctrines, could not exist.  The two go hand in hand.

  41. IntimatEvolution profile image79
    IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago

    I wasn't aware that scientific findings, and the roles of evolution was such nonsense.  That is pretty simple minded don't you think?  I'm sure Darwin or Albert Eisenstein, or better yet all the scientist working on the cure for AIDS would not think to lightly of your comment.  Rather I think they would tend to think like soonerorlater.

    Since when is science, and the gathering of educational resources and knowledge, nonsense?  Hell, with that type of thinking, why do any of us send our children to school, or college?  It is all nonsense, right?
    Unfanned.

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol
      are you following me ?
      it's not the first time lol

      why are  you so mad at me ?
      I find it so funny!

      lol
      thanks for the laughs !!!lol lol

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
        IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Mad...  I was unware that I was mad.  I just find your finding that scientific education is nonsense to be completely illogical, irrational and an extremely uneducated opinion.  You might be good at writing scrap book hubs, which I love to scrap book, but your views of science in this forum comes from of your pettiness.  Which, just the other day I asked you a respectable point blank question- in which you were rude about and completely ignored.  I don't want to be a fan of an author who does not support the greater good of education or who cowardly and disrespectfully continues without due course. 

        Why are you so scared? That's the real question here.

        Mad at you, I don't know you to be mad at you.  I just think your opinion that this forums commentary (which contains a lot of scientific commentary, not just religious) to be dimwitted.  I like to surround myself with smart people.  So I'm sorry if you think I'm mad at you, because I'm not.

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol


          But look!
          you're mad !!
          lol

  42. wrenfrost56 profile image81
    wrenfrost56posted 7 years ago

    As a historian sooner than later, I would think that you of all people can appreciate just how unreliable and changable information and perceived knowledge can be. Historical information is not only fact but also assumtion oppinion and largly bias. Depending on the latest facts available and after removing any bias exageration.

    Evolution is a fact, we don't have all the answers yet as it is such a vast discovery but thats the beauty of science, it's the fun that comes from discovering the truth.

  43. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    You're mad about life !
    lol
    I remembered some 'problem' you had with a hubber about some publishing stuff!
    lol

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
      IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Tantrum, your are being silly and rude.  Another reason why I unfanned you.  I have a kid.  I don't need to read hubs by a child or talk to another childish person.  I have 5 grandkids.  Your behavior is not that much different.  I wish you well, you've lost some business here today with your childish behavior, so the only I can say to you now I that I feel sorry for you.  That's all. 

      I thought you had to be 18 years or older to be a hubber?

      Have a good day all.  I'm not interested in the immature discussions of a child, however Randy Goodwin, it's been great seeing you in the forums. Peace

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you like to show yourself this way, be my guest !

      2. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

      3. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you IE, it's great to discuss science and religion with someone with a open mind.  You do more to help those who believe in God than a thousand such as Sooner.  Sadly, you seem to be the exception rather than the rule.  Thanks again.

  44. Daniel Carter profile image92
    Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago

    Actually, reporting evidence suggest that athiesm is NOT the fastest growing religion in America. Nor is the purported gigantic growth of Islam.

    Wicca is the fastest growing religion in America. Most people believe in something greater than themselves, but more and more people are distrustful of organized religion.

    Here's an article to help substantiate:
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, witchcraft. This is scary.

      Evolution science isn't considered a religion unless you worked in it.

      1. Daniel Carter profile image92
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Personally, I think a lot of erroneous belief systems are passed off as a religion, not just the ones mentioned in this thread. I personally don't see atheism as a religion. Although as you point out, perhaps others do consider it a religion, but that just seems strange. If it's based on academic thought and fact, then we could also deduce that the academic field as a whole is a type of religion, which doesn't make sense, either.

        Wicca is the witch's craft (though they say it much more than that), and I had a little experience with it in the mid 70's while I was in England in a place called Bexleyheath. It was kind of like walking in to the movie set of Harry Potter or something. Being in my early 20's, I was a little afraid of it. There is no fear in it for me now. Just another set of beliefs.

        1. Arthur Fontes profile image88
          Arthur Fontesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you add up the growing number of Pagans and add it to the number of Wiccans the rise of this belief system would be huge.

  45. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I dohn't want to fit your approval Randy. That would cost me salvation.

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
      IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm curious, what salvation?  I've read your posts, but I personally am entirely confused on how you feel on anything.  I got lost a couple angles back, and I'm just wondering to what "salvation" you speak of.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If you are one of the chosen, eternity in heaven doesn't sound too appealing to me anyway.

    3. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this
      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree. That one I admitted fault and you can track that. Thank you. more?

        1. Pr0metheus profile image60
          Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not going to pour through the threads looking for examples of self-righteousness.  I've pointed it out, and I'm impressed that you were willing to admit it.  You can chose to reflect, and grow, from this, or to ignore it.

          "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness (Matthew 23:25-28 NKJV)."

  46. IntimatEvolution profile image79
    IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago

    lol

  47. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    good point. If He will have me. I wonder if thats why Jesus said it was like a marriage. I just realized I'm proposing my salvation all wrong. Thanks.

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
      IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not a prob!

  48. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I assume Jesus talked about salvation. Wait, thats not an assumption- He did.

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
      IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He did, but what does that have to do with your impositions on those who don't believe like you?  Look, I'm just trying to help you see the other side you cannot see for yourself.  I am not trying to insult your ideas, but as a Christian I don't not appreciate being misrepresented in the nature and tone of your posts.  Like you post about Salvation, you yourself admitted that maybe you got that one wrong.  You know, that's all.


      Sooner it is a wonderful challenge to come into contact with diversity. It is how we represent our own selves that speaks the truth about our intentions.

  49. starme77 profile image89
    starme77posted 7 years ago

    lol lol lol

 
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