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Refutation of Solipsism?

  1. Dgerrimea profile image81
    Dgerrimeaposted 7 years ago

    How does one justify believing in a reality external to one's self? That other minds exist and are not figments of one's imagination?

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      yikes

      if something occupies space and you can touch it and feel it and smell it and they affect their surroundings, they exist.

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Existentialism has a place among rational thought, but it serves no purpose to try to prove the nothing exists and never did, nor ever will.

        I agree with cosette. Reality is always subject to interpretation and argument, but I'm real. People in my life are real. I've been to real places. Even dreams are "real." They may not be part of the material world, but they exist. As do thoughts, ideas, etc.

        Here's one for you, Dg, who are you without your thoughts? Can you get to a place and not have thoughts, and just "be?" That boils it all down to existing because we exist. Can you get to that place by going beyond thoughts and just "be?"

        What do you think, Dg?

        1. Dgerrimea profile image81
          Dgerrimeaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are making assumptions about the reliability of your senses which have not (at least in this thread) been justified. So is cosette, which is I think what she missed when posting in this thread.


          I believe that thoughts are a function of the brain. I think as long as a brain is alive and conscious it will have thoughts, or if you can completely clear your mind of conscious thoughts it's not for very long at a time, at least not without considerable training.

          To address your question specifically, I don't believe I am identical to my thoughts, therefore without my thoughts I am still me. I can't explain what I am in much more detail than that, but the fact that I am is one which I cannot dispute. However I am looking for a sound justification for believing that other people exist independently of me.

    2. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mmmmmm, those are the ones with the chili all over the hotdogs, right?

  2. tantrum profile image62
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    I have five senses to perceive reality.

    How can other minds be a figment of my imagination?

    Can you perceive minds, apart from your own?

    1. Dgerrimea profile image81
      Dgerrimeaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Only five? Do you not consider say balance to be a sense?
      Other minds could be a hallucination of some kind.

      1. tantrum profile image62
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Balance is not a sense. It's a property

        1. Dgerrimea profile image81
          Dgerrimeaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Now you're playing semantics.
          "Balance, equilibrioception, or vestibular sense is the sense which allows an organism to sense body movement, direction, and acceleration, and to attain and maintain postural equilibrium and balance."

          From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense#Bala … celeration

          1. tantrum profile image62
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Vestibular sense : A property of the body

            are you joking with me ?
            Please tell me!
            I hate to waste time.

            1. Dgerrimea profile image81
              Dgerrimeaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You seem to be coming up with all the punchlines.

              1. qwark profile image61
                qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Dg:
                If there is no "self" to make meaning of "reality" there is,  no "self" to consider "solipsism."
                So I think we have to go back and consider Descartes quote: cogito ergo sum, I think therefore I am. Hmmm?

                1. Dgerrimea profile image81
                  Dgerrimeaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi qwark.

                  "I think therefore I am"; presumably whatever the word 'I' refers to in this quote is the 'self' which the solipsist claims is all that exists. Descarte seems to arrive at the existence of one's self as a self-evident fact which cannot be denied.

                  1. qwark profile image61
                    qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Dg:
                    That was my point.
                    if there is no "self" to make meaning of anything, solipsistically speaking, nothing exists.

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    Do not wordplay with tantrum. LOL

  4. prettydarkhorse profile image62
    prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

    my hehehe, semantics indeed..

    how about things exists because you think of them not experiential at times but then you can feel it like LOVE

    1. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Pretty:
      If the "you" doesnt exist, love cannot exist.
      Only if "you" exist can "it" exist.
      So in ref to the term "solipsism" the only reality is you.

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
        prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        ok then, How about GOD? I can feel HIM always

        1. qwark profile image61
          qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Pretty"
          God?
          Beats me!  what is this god thing?

        2. Dgerrimea profile image81
          Dgerrimeaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          How do you define 'god'?

  5. Shadesbreath profile image90
    Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago

    At some point you have to accept that you are and reality is.  What possible benefit comes from deconstruction to the point of absurdity?

    1. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Shades"
      NONE!
      ..but to discuss it is entertaining.
      I needa warmup. Coffee's cold...:-)

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound? yes. its ability to make a noise is not dependent on the presence of a hearing creature. i mean if a phone rings and no one is home, it still makes a noise.

    1. creepy profile image60
      creepyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ive never heard one ring when i wasnt home

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    well you've come home, and when you're unlocking the door, you can hear it ring, although technically you're not home, right?

    1. creepy profile image60
      creepyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      shhh my phones ringing

  8. tantrum profile image62
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    lol

 
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