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What is diversity?

  1. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    Threads in the religion forum pretty much have one thing in common...all sides call the other sides stupid, in as few or as many words.
    Why?
    Does it matter if a woman living in Illinois believes in God? How does that make a man in Timbuktu angry? Should I be angry that the guy in Timbuktu doesn't believe?
    If all this diversity is good - and what people are claiming is needed- how does that happen if we are expected to be the same? Can somebody tell me what diversity is?
      My idea of diversity is like a painting - many colors in a pretty picture. But if we have to all be the same to get along it would be black - all colors mixed up and unrecognizable.
    Just curious...Holly smile

    1. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with your idea of diversity and would add that diversity involves not only seeing individual differences, but also accepting and respecting them.

      Dissension occurs when people try to legislate their beliefs onto others, or discriminate against others because they don't conform to their beliefs.

      It would be nice if we could explore our differences and accept them, rather than try to change other beliefs to match ours.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Acceptance isn't the same as caring.

        I'm stubborn,  but so what,  I prefer to care than to apathetically accept.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well, I can accept and care simultaneously.  I'm not sure what you really meant by that statement, since they are not mutually exclusive.

      2. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, seeing and accepting the differences are two different things.
          The dissension...yes. Seems like most people would be able to agree on basics then allow people to "be" who they are.
          And yes, would be nice to be the colors we are and still be happy smile Thanks for the post smile Holly

    2. danielthorne profile image58
      danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ultimatley it's socialism...elimination of all classes...there will only be 1 class everyone will be equal...equally poor...exept gov't buearauecrats...

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think daniel's got it figured out.
        I agree with this.

        1. danielthorne profile image58
          danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          then the next step is communism...to eliminate ALL religions...(gives the people too much power...it's a threat to gov't....

          1. danielthorne profile image58
            danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            diversity is aALL about race...one for all and all for one...

            1. danielthorne profile image58
              danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              you are not allowed to differentiate...let alone speak about it or there will be serious consequences...in the workplace...it's not what you meant it's what you said...it's all about controll...

              1. danielthorne profile image58
                danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                So all religions are allowed except christianity...as that will not be allowed acording to the gov't...

    3. Pamela N Red profile image91
      Pamela N Redposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It makes me no difference what god if any people worship. It's none of my business.

    4. nikki1 profile image61
      nikki1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I never said anyone was stupid.

    5. tobey100 profile image60
      tobey100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Diversity.  Wanna know what we're teching out kids???  My youngest says diversity is what we have to have so that people who don't have jobs can get them even though they're not qualified.  How's that for misguidance?  I explained it but I'm not sure he's buying.

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    i think diversity is important. i think the problem comes when people insult other people personally, not their beliefs. it does for me anyway. i don't mind if someone disagrees with me but when they start going "what a moron" or something, then i get annoyed...

  3. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    We must have a common threshold smile Holly

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you think? wink

      people can rake my arguments over the coals, and that's fine. but when they start namecalling or implying, oOo, i hate that...

      1. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        smile

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Diversity is important in order to get many different perspectives on any given topic. Ask any team of inventors if they all had the identical idea on a project and they'll probably look at you as though you were growing a hand out of your forehead.

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, I tried to keep it neutral. Have a great day, Holly. big_smile

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Holly, your thread topic is cool;  very interesting.
        Especially to realize that the call for diversity, especially when combined with the idea of universal "tolerance",  leads to the idea of sameness,  which leads back to a struggle for diversity again.

        1. h.a.borcich profile image60
          h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Brenda,
            I think the call for diversity needs to be understood. If we can appreciate the "colors" then it looks great, but when "colors" attack each other we end up black (and blue) lol
            Holly

      2. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Denno smile
          You did try my friend smile Thank you, and I think you got lucky getting the 5 points!!! Holly
          PS Do you think my painting analogy of diversity was lame? smile

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    I agree.

  6. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    It is difficult to see any common ground when religionists assume their belief on others replete with threats of hell and damnation! smile

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We hold ourselves under the same threat,  so why is it so insulting to unbelievers?

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I will be fair and assume you misunderstood that!
        To draw any other conclusion would make me ill! lol

      2. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Brenda,
          I think I get bent when someone who believes different than I serves up a plate of what they believe to me, just like nonbelievers don't like God on a platter.
          For diversity to exist I think it needs to be more of a smorgasbord - many choices are available but you chose what you eat, and for yourself only.
          Holly

    2. h.a.borcich profile image60
      h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Earnest,
         I am NOT a religionist, I have NEVER threatened you, have I?
      It is a slap in the face to me that you threw that judgement as I ask about diversity sad Thanks for the assumptions.
        If you painted the diversity picture - MY color would be gone?
        Holly

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My assumptions? Where do you get off personalising this? I did not address this to you!

        1. h.a.borcich profile image60
          h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. h.a.borcich profile image60
            h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Earnest,
               I started this thread and went to dinner.
               I come back and that is your first response. Where do you get off screaming about religionists, etc in response to diversity? Did you think I am a religionist? Have I threatened you with hell? I asked a civil question and expected a civil response. Get it? Holly

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              In response to a religionists post Holly! smile Take a look above my post.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Don't assume.

    Explain.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No, I would much rather you ponder the implications of your own statement! smile

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Okay with me.
        I sure don't wanna see anyone get ill.
        wink

  8. jenblacksheep profile image84
    jenblacksheepposted 7 years ago

    I believe diversity is an old old wooden ship that was used during the civil war era

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I thought up at least three good quips for that one! lol

      1. jenblacksheep profile image84
        jenblacksheepposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You can have 10 points if you can name the film it's from

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          BRB.

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Anchorman. Nice! I've not seen that movie yet. Go figure . lol

          1. jenblacksheep profile image84
            jenblacksheepposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            5 points, since you haven't actually seen the film so must have cheated to find the answer tongue

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ah, the glories of Google. Yeah, I cheated.

  9. thekidandblue profile image60
    thekidandblueposted 7 years ago

    Does diversity include accepting those with outrageous ideals or beliefs? And who gets to choose what outrageous is?

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How tall is your pedestal?

    2. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      \\

      Why not?  As long as no laws are being broken and no one is being harmed.  Acceptance is not agreement.

    3. h.a.borcich profile image60
      h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am the kind of person who could never live in an "uppity" subdivision where they decide if you can have a clotheline and what color your house can be. The "blanding" is something distastful to me.
      Who decides? What are the limits? I have no clue.
      Thank you for posting smile Holly

  10. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    Earnest,
      I looked. Brenda was above you and said "I agree". That offended you? Only myself, Cosette and Denno replied before that. What are you saying prompted your original response? Holly

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      OK I looked too. It was in response to Brenda. I thought her agreeing with diversity was anything but honest in light of her previous posts. smile

      1. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        smile

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Okay, let me clear this up if I can.

    I was agreeing with Cosette's post which said basically it's okay to argue, but not call people nasty names.

    The topic of diversity is one that's interesting.
    Especially how to define the word "diversity" in light of the fact that definitions often get embellished so much that no one seems to know the meaning, or no one agrees on the meaning.

    I've got lotsa thoughts on diversity, especially when combined with the word tolerance.

    earnestshub, you seem to think calling someone a "sinner" is a personal insult.   I can't help it if you take it that way.   I told you that Christians hold not only unbelievers under the "threat" of hell, but themselves also.   You took that as an insult too it seems.  I can't help that either.  It is the Gospel Truth, and it's what I'm commanded to live by and to speak.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well I am not commanded by some invisible entity to do anything.
      Ram your prayers, fear and hate where the sun don't shine! Don't try and project your rubbish on me and all is fine! smile

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Calling someone a sinner, when  for you that means lost and base, and not an example of a good person, it's an insult.
      The same when you say unbelievers will go to Hell and are in need of salvation.
      All those things for you are not good.  So you're insulting.

      For me a thief is a terrible thing to be.  So ...What would you feel ,if I call you a thief ?

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't really know, since I'm not a thief!
        But if you call me a sinner,  I'll tell you yes I'm a sinner, but one who has accepted Christ as Savior and therefore I'm no longer under the same force of temptations I'd be otherwise, nor am I under condemnation since then.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You're not ?
          well good for you then.

          I'm not a sinner. And I find it really insulting you presuming I could be.
          Me, or any other Atheist.
          Keep  your assumptions for yourself, and stop prejudging!
          it's not 'christian 'at all!

          Or maybe it is ? hmm

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            Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            hmm....well, God's minces no words about who's a child of His and who isn't!   Those who follow Jesus are children of God.

            So if you want to call that "prejudiced", take it up with Him.

            There's something He's NOT prejudiced about, though.
            He offers Salvation to WHOSOEVER will choose to believe in Him.
            It's that simple.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Thjat sure is simple! lol Leaves out all the illiterate and those who have never heard of a bible... more room for the favoured eh? lol

            2. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Very typical.
              now it's God's fault!
              I have to take it up with Him instead of you!
              but I don't believe in him, and you're here posting.
              So I'll stick to you.

              I don't believe.
              you can understand that,I presume ?
              So stop shoving your faith down my throat , please.
              you're insulting, wand wasting precious time.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                It does put you in quite a dilemma, doesn't it?
                Remember those choices you have to make.
                It's you who's insulting me!  Yet you cry foul. 
                The referee will have a heyday with you, unless you bribed him on the side.

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Please show me where I'm insulting you-

                  1. tantrum profile image60
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm waiting

                2. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No it is you Brenda who has done the insulting. you do not even recognise it when pointed out to you with your own words! How very religious of you! lol

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            Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Two hits below the belt there, tantrum.    You accuse me of prejudice,  and then hint that I'm not a Christian.

            There's your proof of where you insulted me.

            But why is it you're whining about things other people say, when you are rude and nasty or prejudiced whenever you decide you want to be?

            1. danielthorne profile image58
              danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              come on you can do it Apologise...

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                she's not going to.
                she's going to accuse me instead

            2. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              But you're prejudging me.
              and that's not an insult. It's an insult to me.
              and where do I hint you're not a christian ?
              Please show me.

              1. danielthorne profile image58
                danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                APOLOGIZE...get off your High Horse...

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  she will never do that

                2. danielthorne profile image58
                  danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  If you don't apologize in the next 60 seconds you Will be fined 5 points for unsportsman/woman like behaviour before the next round!

    3. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Calling someone a sinner IS a personal insult!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Let me be clear about who this post is directed.
    It's to earnestshub.

    You need a puke bucket
    and
    Your mouth washed out with soap.

    There.

    I never claim to always be "nice".
    I only  claim to speak the Truth.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I observed the word "claim" in there. I don't like the idea of my truth coming from some controlling fairy from a book that has more re-writes than Days of our lives.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Spoken in typical sarcastic stubborn rebellion.
        But what else could I expect from you?

        1. danielthorne profile image58
          danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Now children...

          1. danielthorne profile image58
            danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Diversity is "Social Engineering"...

          2. h.a.borcich profile image60
            h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh Thank you!!
            To your corners!!! smile
            Or take it to the parking lot!!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    May I have boxing gloves, then?

    And can someone get earnestshub a bucket?

    1. danielthorne profile image58
      danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'll be the referee...

      1. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks smile

        1. danielthorne profile image58
          danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          at the soud of the bell come out of your corners fighting...may the best man/woman win...remember stay on topic...

          1. danielthorne profile image58
            danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            ding ding ding...

          2. h.a.borcich profile image60
            h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I realize Tantrum, Brenda and Earnest are angry...start a thread over it, but this thread is about diversity. PLEASE!! smile

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              more diversity than this, you will not find anywhere else.
              You ask for it.
              you have it.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not angry.
              I'm debating.
              I take the insults with a grain of salt,  not ignoring them but shooting back with a strong statement of my own.

              And if you're meaning that you think you can talk about diversity in religion without saying what you mean and meaning what you say,  then I'm gonna find this boring anyway.
              I don't mind quitting this thread.
              I'm sure there's plenty of room for debate elsewhere.

  14. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    Brenda,
      I am hoping to discuss diversity, not debate beliefs. Please know that I am not telling you to believe something other than what you do, but if you could stay on topic I would appreciate it. Holly

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How do you propose to discuss diversity (in religion, according to your thread post) without bringing diverse beliefs into it?


      Or are you talking about racial diversity?

      Please explain.

      1. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Brenda,

        I think "yellow" and "blue" people can be on the same canvas beautifully without having to be muddled into one new color. There is no need to argue over what is different between the two colors. Do you see how we can discuss diversity without debating specifics? Holly

  15. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    Diversity is allowing people to be different, appreciating the difference and coexisting peacefully?

      Am I  right that Brenda is in USA
      Earnest is in Austrailia
      And Tantrum is in Argentina.....3 different continents fighting on this thread????????
      Does diversity have a chance people? smile Holly

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm surprised the south of France hasn't arrived. smile (Mark)

  16. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    I'm waiting Brenda!
    Where did I insult you ?

    1. danielthorne profile image58
      danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      except christianity as that is the so called politically correct way...

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Where DID'T you insult me!?

      This is getting boring, tantrum.

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Show me.

      2. danielthorne profile image58
        danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        this is funny...let's talk about diversity...

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sure! Let's just clear up the lies first ok? smile

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            i would appreciate that! smile

  17. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Do you think you can accuse me of something I didn't do and get away with it ?
    You're wrong !

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this
        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's ok tantrum, she is a religionist. Lying is ok! smile

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            OH Really?

            but I've been accused of something I didn't do.
            so she should apologise.
            i think?

            1. danielthorne profile image58
              danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Apologise...right Now...

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Oops;  I did a typo.

    That should be

    Where DIDN'T you insult me?!

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Show me

    2. danielthorne profile image58
      danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ding ding ding end of round one

  19. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    Thank you to the honest participants, but the thread seems to have been taken over.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i've been accused of something I didn't do.
      so this is not over

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree, I am fed up with this!
        Brenda is always insulting someone then saying her god did it! lol

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          this is my last comment
          thank you Earnest

      2. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What does that mean for this thread on diversity? I have been insulted on the forums and had to deal with it.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          it's not about insults. this is accusing me of something I didn't do

          1. h.a.borcich profile image60
            h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            When my name was "altered" as a joke - which I did not find funny (being called Holy not Holly as is my name) - I never got an apology I felt I was due. I got over it. Can't you let this go so the thread can go on?

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              if being called Holy instead of Holly, for you is an insult, then you have a problem. I didnt know 'holy'was a bad word.

              1. h.a.borcich profile image60
                h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Sometimes I do not figure things out so quickly, but I finally can verbalize why calling me "Holy" was offensive and an insult to me...
                You dispise being called a sinner because you do not feel that you are, I have seen you fight to shed the term.
                I on the other hand believe I am a sinner, and find it just as disturbing to be called "Holy".
                Again, I doubt the apology will come, and I think you have just as much a problem as I do with being labelled. I think hypocrisy is not limited to those of a religion.

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  where's the hypocrisy?
                  Are you calling me an hypocrite?
                  Well, I can't care less!

                  you are funny!

                  Holy for me is a nice word. Hypocrisy, no.

                  If you believe you're a sinner it's not my problem. How would I know ???
                  Anyway ,you want an apology?
                  OK
                  I apologise for calling you Holy ,when you're  only a sinner.

                  Sorry !

            2. danielthorne profile image58
              danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That's it times up! that's 5 points lady...sarcastic insults accusations...name calling are unsportsman/womanlike conduct
              any time that happens I will put a stop to it or deduct 5 points...

              1. danielthorne profile image58
                danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Round 2 on DIVERSITY

                ding ding ding

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Yes, come on, tantrum,
    Apologize.

  21. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    and this is my last comment to you.

    1. h.a.borcich profile image60
      h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I knew better than to expect an apology. If I had altered your name as a joke - well, I wonder if you would have let it go? Either way...the thread has been killed.

      1. danielthorne profile image58
        danielthorneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        RIP folks

  22. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Many I know would be willing to discuss diversity if we could keep the fundies from ruining the posts. I know some religious people here who can discuss diversity without resorting to calling people sinners or other insults. smile

    1. h.a.borcich profile image60
      h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am sure you are able, Earnest. And I can relate to your frustration. I like to discuss topics without the insulting and name calling,too. Maybe a future thread will be more successful.
      Holly smile

  23. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Are you taking a nap, or my apologies have not been accepted ?

    Anyway...

    Lets say my name is Victoria, and you call me jokingly Victory.
    Why would I be offended?
    When Victory is a good thing?
    Even in the case I feel defeated by life, would I take that as an offense ?
    No I wouldn't

    So why would you ?

    I don't get it.

    For me this is case closed.

    Have a good day!

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      zampanoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Vitoria de la Naturaleza.

    2. h.a.borcich profile image60
      h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was not ignoring - just making chicken tortilla soup and now glancing over threads.
      I do appreciate and accept the apology. I honestly had resigned myself to not expecting it.
      The point is this. It is not up to me to decide if you should be offended, nor is it your call if I should be. Obviously it will happen unintentionally often, but when it is deliberate - it is not ok. You and I are very different in many respects, and likely will not agree on much. I still think we can be respectful about it.
        Thank you and I do accept, Holly

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    awareposted 7 years ago

    the university of devry?

 
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