What is diversity?

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   h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

   Threads in the religion forum pretty much have one thing in common...all sides call the other sides stupid, in as few or as many words.
   Why?
   Does it matter if a woman living in Illinois believes in God? How does that make a man in Timbuktu angry? Should I be angry that the guy in Timbuktu doesn't believe?
   If all this diversity is good - and what people are claiming is needed- how does that happen if we are expected to be the same? Can somebody tell me what diversity is?
     My idea of diversity is like a painting - many colors in a pretty picture. But if we have to all be the same to get along it would be black - all colors mixed up and unrecognizable.
   Just curious...Holly

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      PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with your idea of diversity and would add that diversity involves not only seeing individual differences, but also accepting and respecting them.
      
      Dissension occurs when people try to legislate their beliefs onto others, or discriminate against others because they don't conform to their beliefs.
      
      It would be nice if we could explore our differences and accept them, rather than try to change other beliefs to match ours.

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         Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Acceptance isn't the same as caring.
         
         I'm stubborn,  but so what,  I prefer to care than to apathetically accept.

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            PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well, I can accept and care simultaneously.  I'm not sure what you really meant by that statement, since they are not mutually exclusive.

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         h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           Yes, seeing and accepting the differences are two different things.
           The dissension...yes. Seems like most people would be able to agree on basics then allow people to "be" who they are.
           And yes, would be nice to be the colors we are and still be happy Thanks for the post Holly

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      danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ultimatley it's socialism...elimination of all classes...there will only be 1 class everyone will be equal...equally poor...exept gov't buearauecrats...

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         Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I think daniel's got it figured out.
         I agree with this.

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            danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            then the next step is communism...to eliminate ALL religions...(gives the people too much power...it's a threat to gov't....

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               danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               diversity is aALL about race...one for all and all for one...

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                  danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  you are not allowed to differentiate...let alone speak about it or there will be serious consequences...in the workplace...it's not what you meant it's what you said...it's all about controll...

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                     danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     So all religions are allowed except christianity...as that will not be allowed acording to the gov't...

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      Pamela N Redposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It makes me no difference what god if any people worship. It's none of my business.

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      nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I never said anyone was stupid.

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      tobey100posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Diversity.  Wanna know what we're teching out kids???  My youngest says diversity is what we have to have so that people who don't have jobs can get them even though they're not qualified.  How's that for misguidance?  I explained it but I'm not sure he's buying.

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   cosetteposted 14 years ago

   i think diversity is important. i think the problem comes when people insult other people personally, not their beliefs. it does for me anyway. i don't mind if someone disagrees with me but when they start going "what a moron" or something, then i get annoyed...

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   h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

   We must have a common threshold Holly

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you think?
      
      people can rake my arguments over the coals, and that's fine. but when they start namecalling or implying, oOo, i hate that...

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         h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         

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   Denno66posted 14 years ago

   Diversity is important in order to get many different perspectives on any given topic. Ask any team of inventors if they all had the identical idea on a project and they'll probably look at you as though you were growing a hand out of your forehead.

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      Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well, I tried to keep it neutral. Have a great day, Holly.

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         Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Holly, your thread topic is cool;  very interesting.
         Especially to realize that the call for diversity, especially when combined with the idea of universal "tolerance",  leads to the idea of sameness,  which leads back to a struggle for diversity again.

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            h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Brenda,
              I think the call for diversity needs to be understood. If we can appreciate the "colors" then it looks great, but when "colors" attack each other we end up black (and blue) lol
              Holly

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         h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Denno
           You did try my friend Thank you, and I think you got lucky getting the 5 points!!! Holly
           PS Do you think my painting analogy of diversity was lame?

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   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

   I agree.

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   It is difficult to see any common ground when religionists assume their belief on others replete with threats of hell and damnation!

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We hold ourselves under the same threat,  so why is it so insulting to unbelievers?

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I will be fair and assume you misunderstood that!
         To draw any other conclusion would make me ill!

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         h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Brenda,
           I think I get bent when someone who believes different than I serves up a plate of what they believe to me, just like nonbelievers don't like God on a platter.
           For diversity to exist I think it needs to be more of a smorgasbord - many choices are available but you chose what you eat, and for yourself only.
           Holly

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      h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Earnest,
         I am NOT a religionist, I have NEVER threatened you, have I?
      It is a slap in the face to me that you threw that judgement as I ask about diversity Thanks for the assumptions.
        If you painted the diversity picture - MY color would be gone?
        Holly

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         My assumptions? Where do you get off personalising this? I did not address this to you!

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            h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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               h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                 Earnest,
                  I started this thread and went to dinner.
                  I come back and that is your first response. Where do you get off screaming about religionists, etc in response to diversity? Did you think I am a religionist? Have I threatened you with hell? I asked a civil question and expected a civil response. Get it? Holly

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                  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  In response to a religionists post Holly! Take a look above my post.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

   Don't assume.
   
   Explain.

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No, I would much rather you ponder the implications of your own statement!

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         Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Okay with me.
         I sure don't wanna see anyone get ill.
         

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   jenblacksheepposted 14 years ago

   I believe diversity is an old old wooden ship that was used during the civil war era

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      Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I thought up at least three good quips for that one!

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         jenblacksheepposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You can have 10 points if you can name the film it's from

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            Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            BRB.

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            Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Anchorman. Nice! I've not seen that movie yet. Go figure .

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               jenblacksheepposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               5 points, since you haven't actually seen the film so must have cheated to find the answer

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                  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah, the glories of Google. Yeah, I cheated.

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   thekidandblueposted 14 years ago

   Does diversity include accepting those with outrageous ideals or beliefs? And who gets to choose what outrageous is?

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      Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      How tall is your pedestal?

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      PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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      Why not?  As long as no laws are being broken and no one is being harmed.  Acceptance is not agreement.

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      h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I am the kind of person who could never live in an "uppity" subdivision where they decide if you can have a clotheline and what color your house can be. The "blanding" is something distastful to me.
      Who decides? What are the limits? I have no clue.
      Thank you for posting Holly

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    h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

    Earnest,
      I looked. Brenda was above you and said "I agree". That offended you? Only myself, Cosette and Denno replied before that. What are you saying prompted your original response? Holly

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       OK I looked too. It was in response to Brenda. I thought her agreeing with diversity was anything but honest in light of her previous posts.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

    Okay, let me clear this up if I can.
    
    I was agreeing with Cosette's post which said basically it's okay to argue, but not call people nasty names.
    
    The topic of diversity is one that's interesting.
    Especially how to define the word "diversity" in light of the fact that definitions often get embellished so much that no one seems to know the meaning, or no one agrees on the meaning.
    
    I've got lotsa thoughts on diversity, especially when combined with the word tolerance.
    
    earnestshub, you seem to think calling someone a "sinner" is a personal insult.   I can't help it if you take it that way.   I told you that Christians hold not only unbelievers under the "threat" of hell, but themselves also.   You took that as an insult too it seems.  I can't help that either.  It is the Gospel Truth, and it's what I'm commanded to live by and to speak.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Well I am not commanded by some invisible entity to do anything.
       Ram your prayers, fear and hate where the sun don't shine! Don't try and project your rubbish on me and all is fine!

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Calling someone a sinner, when  for you that means lost and base, and not an example of a good person, it's an insult.
       The same when you say unbelievers will go to Hell and are in need of salvation.
       All those things for you are not good.  So you're insulting.
       
       For me a thief is a terrible thing to be.  So ...What would you feel ,if I call you a thief ?

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          Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I don't really know, since I'm not a thief!
          But if you call me a sinner,  I'll tell you yes I'm a sinner, but one who has accepted Christ as Savior and therefore I'm no longer under the same force of temptations I'd be otherwise, nor am I under condemnation since then.

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             tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             You're not ?
             well good for you then.
             
             I'm not a sinner. And I find it really insulting you presuming I could be.
             Me, or any other Atheist.
             Keep  your assumptions for yourself, and stop prejudging!
             it's not 'christian 'at all!
             
             Or maybe it is ?

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                Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                hmm....well, God's minces no words about who's a child of His and who isn't!   Those who follow Jesus are children of God.
                
                So if you want to call that "prejudiced", take it up with Him.
                
                There's something He's NOT prejudiced about, though.
                He offers Salvation to WHOSOEVER will choose to believe in Him.
                It's that simple.

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                   earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Thjat sure is simple! Leaves out all the illiterate and those who have never heard of a bible... more room for the favoured eh?

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                   tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Very typical.
                   now it's God's fault!
                   I have to take it up with Him instead of you!
                   but I don't believe in him, and you're here posting.
                   So I'll stick to you.
                   
                   I don't believe.
                   you can understand that,I presume ?
                   So stop shoving your faith down my throat , please.
                   you're insulting, wand wasting precious time.

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                      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      It does put you in quite a dilemma, doesn't it?
                      Remember those choices you have to make.
                      It's you who's insulting me!  Yet you cry foul. 
                      The referee will have a heyday with you, unless you bribed him on the side.

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                         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Please show me where I'm insulting you-

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                            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            I'm waiting

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                         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         No it is you Brenda who has done the insulting. you do not even recognise it when pointed out to you with your own words! How very religious of you!

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                Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Two hits below the belt there, tantrum.    You accuse me of prejudice,  and then hint that I'm not a Christian.
                
                There's your proof of where you insulted me.
                
                But why is it you're whining about things other people say, when you are rude and nasty or prejudiced whenever you decide you want to be?

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                   danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   come on you can do it Apologise...

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                      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      she's not going to.
                      she's going to accuse me instead

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                   tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   But you're prejudging me.
                   and that's not an insult. It's an insult to me.
                   and where do I hint you're not a christian ?
                   Please show me.

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                      danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      APOLOGIZE...get off your High Horse...

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                         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         she will never do that

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                         danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         If you don't apologize in the next 60 seconds you Will be fined 5 points for unsportsman/woman like behaviour before the next round!

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Calling someone a sinner IS a personal insult!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

    Let me be clear about who this post is directed.
    It's to earnestshub.
    
    You need a puke bucket
    and
    Your mouth washed out with soap.
    
    There.
    
    I never claim to always be "nice".
    I only  claim to speak the Truth.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, I observed the word "claim" in there. I don't like the idea of my truth coming from some controlling fairy from a book that has more re-writes than Days of our lives.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Spoken in typical sarcastic stubborn rebellion.
          But what else could I expect from you?

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             danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Now children...

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                danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Diversity is "Social Engineering"...

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                h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Oh Thank you!!
                To your corners!!!
                Or take it to the parking lot!!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

    May I have boxing gloves, then?
    
    And can someone get earnestshub a bucket?

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       danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'll be the referee...

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          h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks

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             danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             at the soud of the bell come out of your corners fighting...may the best man/woman win...remember stay on topic...

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                danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                ding ding ding...

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                h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I realize Tantrum, Brenda and Earnest are angry...start a thread over it, but this thread is about diversity. PLEASE!!

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                   tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   more diversity than this, you will not find anywhere else.
                   You ask for it.
                   you have it.

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                   Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I'm not angry.
                   I'm debating.
                   I take the insults with a grain of salt,  not ignoring them but shooting back with a strong statement of my own.
                   
                   And if you're meaning that you think you can talk about diversity in religion without saying what you mean and meaning what you say,  then I'm gonna find this boring anyway.
                   I don't mind quitting this thread.
                   I'm sure there's plenty of room for debate elsewhere.

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    h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

    Brenda,
      I am hoping to discuss diversity, not debate beliefs. Please know that I am not telling you to believe something other than what you do, but if you could stay on topic I would appreciate it. Holly

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       Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       How do you propose to discuss diversity (in religion, according to your thread post) without bringing diverse beliefs into it?
       
       
       Or are you talking about racial diversity?
       
       Please explain.

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          h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Brenda,
          
          I think "yellow" and "blue" people can be on the same canvas beautifully without having to be muddled into one new color. There is no need to argue over what is different between the two colors. Do you see how we can discuss diversity without debating specifics? Holly

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    h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

    Diversity is allowing people to be different, appreciating the difference and coexisting peacefully?
    
      Am I  right that Brenda is in USA
      Earnest is in Austrailia
      And Tantrum is in Argentina.....3 different continents fighting on this thread????????
      Does diversity have a chance people? Holly

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'm surprised the south of France hasn't arrived. (Mark)

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    I'm waiting Brenda!
    Where did I insult you ?

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       danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       except christianity as that is the so called politically correct way...

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       Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Where DID'T you insult me!?
       
       This is getting boring, tantrum.

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          tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Show me.

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          danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          this is funny...let's talk about diversity...

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             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Sure! Let's just clear up the lies first ok?

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                tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                i would appreciate that!

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    Do you think you can accuse me of something I didn't do and get away with it ?
    You're wrong !

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It's ok tantrum, she is a religionist. Lying is ok!

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                tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                OH Really?
                
                but I've been accused of something I didn't do.
                so she should apologise.
                i think?

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                   danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Apologise...right Now...

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    Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

    Oops;  I did a typo.
    
    That should be
    
    Where DIDN'T you insult me?!

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Show me

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       danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ding ding ding end of round one

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    h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

    Thank you to the honest participants, but the thread seems to have been taken over.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       i've been accused of something I didn't do.
       so this is not over

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I agree, I am fed up with this!
          Brenda is always insulting someone then saying her god did it!

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             tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             this is my last comment
             thank you Earnest

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          h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          What does that mean for this thread on diversity? I have been insulted on the forums and had to deal with it.

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             tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             it's not about insults. this is accusing me of something I didn't do

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                h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                When my name was "altered" as a joke - which I did not find funny (being called Holy not Holly as is my name) - I never got an apology I felt I was due. I got over it. Can't you let this go so the thread can go on?

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                   tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   if being called Holy instead of Holly, for you is an insult, then you have a problem. I didnt know 'holy'was a bad word.

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                      h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Sometimes I do not figure things out so quickly, but I finally can verbalize why calling me "Holy" was offensive and an insult to me...
                      You dispise being called a sinner because you do not feel that you are, I have seen you fight to shed the term.
                      I on the other hand believe I am a sinner, and find it just as disturbing to be called "Holy".
                      Again, I doubt the apology will come, and I think you have just as much a problem as I do with being labelled. I think hypocrisy is not limited to those of a religion.

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                         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         where's the hypocrisy?
                         Are you calling me an hypocrite?
                         Well, I can't care less!
                         
                         you are funny!
                         
                         Holy for me is a nice word. Hypocrisy, no.
                         
                         If you believe you're a sinner it's not my problem. How would I know ???
                         Anyway ,you want an apology?
                         OK
                         I apologise for calling you Holy ,when you're  only a sinner.
                         
                         Sorry !

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                   danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   That's it times up! that's 5 points lady...sarcastic insults accusations...name calling are unsportsman/womanlike conduct
                   any time that happens I will put a stop to it or deduct 5 points...

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                      danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Round 2 on DIVERSITY
                      
                      ding ding ding

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    Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago

    Yes, come on, tantrum,
    Apologize.

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    and this is my last comment to you.

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       h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I knew better than to expect an apology. If I had altered your name as a joke - well, I wonder if you would have let it go? Either way...the thread has been killed.

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          danielthorneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          RIP folks

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Many I know would be willing to discuss diversity if we could keep the fundies from ruining the posts. I know some religious people here who can discuss diversity without resorting to calling people sinners or other insults.

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       h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I am sure you are able, Earnest. And I can relate to your frustration. I like to discuss topics without the insulting and name calling,too. Maybe a future thread will be more successful.
       Holly

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    Are you taking a nap, or my apologies have not been accepted ?
    
    Anyway...
    
    Lets say my name is Victoria, and you call me jokingly Victory.
    Why would I be offended?
    When Victory is a good thing?
    Even in the case I feel defeated by life, would I take that as an offense ?
    No I wouldn't
    
    So why would you ?
    
    I don't get it.
    
    For me this is case closed.
    
    Have a good day!

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       zampanoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Vitoria de la Naturaleza.

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       h.a.borcichposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I was not ignoring - just making chicken tortilla soup and now glancing over threads.
       I do appreciate and accept the apology. I honestly had resigned myself to not expecting it.
       The point is this. It is not up to me to decide if you should be offended, nor is it your call if I should be. Obviously it will happen unintentionally often, but when it is deliberate - it is not ok. You and I are very different in many respects, and likely will not agree on much. I still think we can be respectful about it.
         Thank you and I do accept, Holly

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    awareposted 14 years ago

    the university of devry?

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