This is going to make me unpopular - but who cares?
Ok, as many of you would have noticed there are many stupid forum posts out there to do with Religion.
I put it down to two things:
1) Believers - either to show of the fact that they believe or to try and convert people. It isn't going to work - give up. It is very hard to convert people with arguments about God, easy to justify your own belief, but hard to make people go "Oh yeah, this forum makes sense, suddenly now I believe."
2) Non-believers - there is a theory that people need adversity to survive; with that in mine, my theory is that people like to cause arguments. It is human nature to want to debate and argue things but there is no honour in starting an argument for arguments sake.
3) THE HUB - I reckon what people think is that if they post argumenst which are deliberately bigoted towards one side then their hub views would go up.
How many times do people feel the need to justify what they believe on this site? How many forums have we seen saying "Do you believe in God?" followed by "Do you really believe in God?"
I'm half expecting the next one to say "Are you quite positive you believe in God?"
"Religion vs Science - who's right?" "What's right - creationism or evolution?"
You can reword the question as many times as you want, it's still the same freaking question and the same people will answer the same thing.
Get over youselves, please.
Freedom of speech is all well and good but so many good, and interesting hubbers have been pushed away because of these forums. FieryCJ and Blondepoet are but two.
That's right, freedom of speech means anyone can make any forum they want and go into any forum they want, as many times as they want. You don't have to join them. People will argue their favorite questions until they're well and truly done with it (or forever, which ever comes first). If people have left the Hub because of other people's discussions, that sounds like a personal problem to me.
You know- I can hear what you are saying. I'm sick of the same ole same ole all the time. But still, HubPages needs these forums and people like chatting in them. There is no shortage of people willing to participate. I think maybe you need a vacation like I did.
Well, I am not in the habit of NOT reading the OP and then making a comment, without knowing exactly was going on.
But, thank you for the advice. And, besides, if I quote the OP piece, for which, is the person I am talking to in the forum, then I am really not obligated to respond to anyone else, unless I want to, like the person I was talking to.
If someone else jumps into my conversation with another person, just because they feel the need to impose their belief on me, then I'm only going to get angry, because of their lack of knowledge and understanding of life, which lead them to try to impose their belief system on my life. Again, thank you for your input.
There is another reason. Mental masterbation. The fun of getting down and dirty with some metaphysics. A heated epistemological to and fro. A cheeky look at Descartes meditations. A tete-a-tete with Kant's critique of pure reason. I'm guilty of a bit of that myself. oo er missus!
I see no issue with debate as it is via adversity that a man truly finds himself. However, my problem is with the repetition and tenacity of the people who respond. Althought it could easily be argued that these are positive assets towards the forum in question - my argument is simply that some of them are damn stupid and resort to nothing more than mere name calling or, even worse, a forum with the exact same question, just worded slightly differently. It really is not needed.
Participation is not required. I really do not participate in religious belief discussions. I do like to discuss evolution and politics. I try to treat everyone with as much respect as they have earned. I mean no offense to anything I post. Those that do I cannot speak for.
I do not participate. They just irritate me. It's annoying when you look down the forums and think: "Don't want to take part in that, don't want to take part in that, don't want to take part in that, oh, one on cats, might take part in that....oh no, it's turned religious so don't want to take part in that." I have absolutely no issue with politics. I have no issue with religion. I have an issue with people posting thousands of posts/forums saying the same thing. It really takes the interesting out of the forums.
Arthur, if only that were true! Most of the religious posters don't seem to be willing to engage in intelligent debate. They just want to post a statement and have everyone agree with them. If someone tries to debate logically, they just say "I believe because the Bible says so". And I'm sad to see that far too many of the atheists don't even try to engage seriously any more, they just sling abuse.
I feel the same. tantrum along with many others have provided good solid nonpartisan evidence subject to scientific methods of examination for months previously. Not one reply that was related to the subject resulted from this. Impeccable sources, masses of emperical evidence, peer reviewed, backed by the reality that theory must slot in to all related theory to be considered, etc etc. What a waste of time! Indoctrination is totally blinding to the extremist religionists on here. I should know better than to try and reach out with reality, I was one of them for a few years.
hehe...yip...like the day when young satan had to rally up his brothers to stand by him when he caught himself a temper tantrum...oh...and did he not need the support of his brothers to go against his Father...so he might not be all alone in this big ole world...and to support his childish faith that he could actually defeat his Father in a mano-o-mano combat and proclaim victory...wishing himself the new instant homemade god...
There are some of us who are sure of their personal beliefs be it in Allah, God or the spaghetti guy. I don't need to prove anything, nor am I interested in arguing about it on a forum. I do not go to threads of a different belief so I can post insults. There is a total lack of respect or an inability to leave alone what does not interest some. Just my thoughts, Holly
I come to the forums to interact with others and learn. How else can I learn about people? I ask questions respectfully, and I learn a lot of how other people handle life. And I read many more threads than I post in. A few I contribute to, again I feel I am respectful about it. Can't people contribute to a thread without having to convert someone or be buried in insults? Holly
I am with you there, Luke...too many religion forums. Where are the fun forums where people chat and have fun not argue and try to get everyone else banned. oh well to each their own. and yes I too have noticed more hubbers have gone. i personally left too but I came back because ppl actually missed me..
I think that was during my *banned* phase. Although I was banned for different reasons - not due to forums but due to age. I left over Christmas and only came back yesterday in order to avoid the 'Religious Rush'. I sympathise entirely.
I do sympathize to a certain point, but who would be the arbiter of what should be allowed as a topic? I just read or comment on those I am interested in. I avoid the drama threads such as "please help poor me" topics and some I just have no interest in at all. Do you think you are qualified to decide for everyone?
Personally, I like to test the consistency of my personal philosophies and ideas about the universe against other minds... though it's gotten to the point where that'd be easier if believers would raise the level of their game a bit.
But I think a more interesting question is why do people who claim to think religious debate is stupid go well out of their way to wade into a religious debate and complain about all the religious debate going on around them.
People stop frequenting the forums because those debates do become tired, as they have been around for thousands of years, there will never be an answer one way or the other most likely.
People show up at hubpages, find some fun in engaging in the debate for a while, then realize the futility, realize no one is listening to them anyway unless they keep their posts to under 30 words, and they move on. It's been happening for the whole time I've been here, and, frankly, I've seen it happen on other forum communities for a couple of decades. You get waves of little sub-cliques who rise, rally around each other, and then fade out, making room for the next etc.
My theory is that there are two kinds of people: Direct and Indirect.
Directs see things in black and white. They spend their lives (and hours on the Forums) trying to convince other Directs that Black is White or White is Black, depending on their persuasion (in this case, Believers vs. Non-Believers).
Indirects, on the other hand, are essentially Observers and Chroniclers. They see infinite shades of Gray. They are fascinated with personality typing and with why other people do the things they do. So in this scenario, the Indirect will start a thread about WHY other people start threads on a topic just to see how other people respond.
But you gotta watch out for those Indirects, as they are clever and cunning and will ultimately get you muddled into a cranial knot . MM
My theory on why people start stupid religious forums...hehe...luckily its a theory and not a fact...i've been upstairs...yap...and its great there...has been downstairs...and..yip..its hell ova there...seen the Big Boss...oh yeh!!..He's really the Almighty One...not cause He says so..cause He CAN...
Most of the contentious threads I have seen come about because a religious person says something, a none religious person says something logical, the religious person becomes upset by the logical response, and then all out comment war breaks out.
I tend not to visit the religious forums anymore, most of the threads are not pleasant, are not structured, and are just arguments which end nowhere.
Personally I do not believe in any God, I think anyone who believes in any deity has a severe mental problem, and it worries me that so many people around the globe can suffer from such a large scale mass delusion.
However, I also see no point in posting antagonising threads on the subject. In the same way you would not argue with a homeless person saying he smells of roses, I would not tell a Religious person their imaginary figure does not exist.
Well, in the thread above you did say religionists have mental problems, not that I disagree with that, then you say you would not come out and tell them, which you have just done. You also sound like you're critical of those who do have a go at them openly as if we are wasting our time but you are not. Probably just the way you worded it. Cosette is a gem!
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