What if religion never existed anywhere?
- lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
0here here
morning tantrum
Leaders never claim or aim for leadership, leaders are leaders because they are followed.
If anybody wants to be a leader, don't follow them.
Leader are only leaders because of manipulation and no other reason.
In which case they would discover God, for He IS the truth of them.
Actually, you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. If people didn't have religion and were looking for answer, they would come upon the self-realization that the highest purpose for their life would be the protection and welfare of the rest of society. "GOD" wouldn't have a damn thing to do with it.
Well of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it's just that.
But let's not argue, there is no point as we are both right, in our own opinions.
This is correct.
Is never a bad thing. It leads to self-growth. Self-growth is the essence of how we learn who we are as a person. This leads to the loving spirituality meant for humankind.
Self-interest can be positively reinforced by selfless action.
This holds true to humankinds goodness and purity.
Religion wouldn't have existed and wouldn't have allowed people to usurp power and wealth, and control of other people. However, Government would have come along sooner, so society as a whole would be able to work together and achieve greater, and much more powerful advancements than what's already happened.
Ahh, but on the contary, we are not just talking about Christianity. We are talking about all religions.
No democracy. No communism. No monarchy. Government would never have existed. Democracy stemmed from ancient Greece in a time when religion was of great importance (note Plato's "The Last Days of Socrates" and Herodotus' "Histories"). Communism came from Karl Marx (note Marx's "The Communist Manifesto") where he stated that "Religion is the opium of the masses", they need it to unite. Finally, the whole idea behind monarchy is that the King is God's choice. It has been like that since well before Darius the Great in Persia (yes, classical history is where I specialise).
Granted no religion means the church can't hold the government back...but only because there would be no church or government.
- lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago0
Yeah they will
People will find anything to go to war for!that's probably pathetically true mate,
- lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago0
"One needs to be n a similar vibration to appreciate my words or else he will call me a fool" Guru Nanak
Not my words, Truth is truth
Come to India you will see simple people who have a greater awareness of god, no foolish ego involved.
- lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago0
If religion did not exist we wouldn't be posting in this thread
- so true
They shot him.
Your rudeness at calling Jerami stupid or his statement stupid, shows your lack of knowledge of morality in and of itself. Is it impossible? It is possible to limit Government's role in society, and in doing so, we would eliminate much of the problems that already exist. It isn't the elimination of government, just the limiting of their access into society. Once people understand the true moral standard that which SHOULD BE applied to life, then Government's intrusion would automatically be restricted, regardless of power, wealth or any other reason.
This is the sole purpose for the separation of government and religion, unfortunately, religious leaders of the world, don't care to back off and let people live their life, so that they(religious leaders) can maintain their usurped power and wealth, and influence in society. Which is destructive beyond any and all means of rationalize thinking.You are nothing if not an idealist, maybe misguided, but certainly noble in your intentions!
- lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago0
- lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago0
The true spirituality of humankind is in the greater good of humanity as a whole. There is NO other higher cause to strive for.
This statement doesn't require paying homage to a "GOD" of any kind.
Humanity already has a standard for morality. If you don't know what it is, then it's your fault for not investigating it further.
This is the only true statement you made.
Necessary in the beginning to quell the fears and provide structure for social order. It was inevitable.
It may become inevitable again. At this point in TIME, however, it becomes less inevitable as it at least appears possible to, someday, figure "it all" out.
This is the trend:
- Stevennix2001posted 14 years ago0
watch the first half of the film, "invention of lying", and you'll find out. not saying that religion is a lie or anything, but that film does show a world without religion at all. therefore, i think that would be a good reference to start with when thinking up a world without religion.
I thought it was straightforward enough.
Your personal experience becomes your authority (instead of someone elses experience), and you believe what you experience. Doesn't that make sense?
Even Buddha said " Seek not to be like me. Seek what I sought". This basically is the same idea.
. . and you're right - there is no right and wrong
Questions like what? Everything has already been answered to the most basic of each person's needs. There would be no searching for answers. People would have to accept their life for theirs and be self-responsible for every action they step up on to do.
This is the primary reason for the failure of society.
Religion is a business based on a code of ethics, bound to a higher cause, such as the "GOD" concept. It's a lie.
The only FAITH you should have is in yourself and other people.
What difference could it possibly make on living your life? It is only a crutch for you to say or accept things you cannot or don't want to face. It's absurd.
The belief system humans form are supposed to be based on factual evidence you can verify. If you think it is anything else, then you're obvious missing knowledge and understanding about life.
Again, there would be no question, because people would be forced to accept every aspect of their life and then plan to live it like they are suppose to.Hi Cagsil well said!
With what I just said.......? Then, you obviously don't understand what Jesus taught. I'll leave it at that then.
How do you know what he saw? If you research humanity's evolution, you would find out that people were not guided by their left-side brain functions, meaning there was NO reasoning, sane or rationalization. They were actually guided by their Right-Side brain, which is strictly subconsciousness and images. Making the images just a figment of their imagination.
Is that better.
I am just great thank you Cagsil. Hoping to find you the same!
There is no god.
Jesus knew it. His teachings were encoded with the primitive language at the time. Which was predominately religious/spriritual scripture of religion.
There is a reason he was murdered/executed and it's not for the reason that people are lead to believe. The crooked people of religion eliminated him so his teachings wouldn't be found out.
There is a reason why his teachings were included in religion, even though he was not teaching religion. His words were coded to hide his teachings from the Romans. Which, when they realized that he wasn't teaching religion, they killed him.
Then, the STOLE his works, so the truth couldn't be found out.
His teachings were that of consciousness. Research humanity's point of evolution at the time of Jesus. You will find something absolutely remarkable.When people begin using common-sense, I'll be glad to agree with them, but to disagree is my full right.
This statement is the best statement you've said so far.
Correct.
That would depend what person you are talking to in the first place. There are some say that religion has all the answers.
Actually, I would disagree. Common-sense goes a long way to understanding life, as long, as people are to understand true morality.
The "GOD" concept without religion is NON-existent. You take away religion and it's so-called teachings, then there is nothing left. Hence, NO GOD!
Thanks for the hatred. My point is reinforced every time it's expressed. Have a good evening.
No personal attacks please.
We are not.
- L. Andrew Marrposted 14 years ago0
No, no, no.
You misunderstand my point.
In order for government systems to be put in place, back when societys first formed, they were based on religion. Granted it was Greek/Persian/Roman/other mythology but it still stood in the pillar of government, right back to the first tyrants.
My point is that without religion I doubt society would have even taken off the ground because we all need that common cause to unite to.
God, Zeus, Brahman - it doesn't matter what the central belief is, society just needs a basic belief to survive.
If you disagree then we shall have to agree to disagree. I'm off now because I have a philosophy exam tomorrow (haha how appropiate eh?) so will never get your response. Sorry.
However, I would very much like to continue this another time if you want. Another time and another forum haha.
GOOD NIGHT VEITNAM
AND KEEP WATCHING THE SKIES. - sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago0
- Denno66posted 14 years ago0
then we would not be able to say for Christs sake...we would have to say for Banannas sake or something
There would still be war, because the words of Jesus' work have been manipulated into the wrong context, so those of religious hierarchy can maintain power, wealth and control over other people.
Once, this is realized and Jesus' work is truly learned, then and only then, can humankind move forward and become greater than ever imagined.I'm shocked and amazed! Bless you!
If religion never existed, that WOULD be heaven on earth!
- StormRyderposted 14 years ago0
Yes, very good points.
More wars have been fought and more people have been killed in the name of "GOD" then anything else.
From the earliest beliefs we have such lovelies as the Taliban, who still believe the earth is flat and that strapping bombs on their kids gives them a better life and shows their parental love, to the slightly watered down bible followers who's god will do all the killing and torturing for them. Not a big move really!
Could we live without these beliefs? I think we could manage!Taliban and bomb strapping. In these belief systems reincarnation is predominant, therefore killing is a way of improving ones position in life. God doesn't offer reincarnation, the god of the bible promotes life by saying he will make life abundantly good and so on. We can definitely live without reincarnation, but if all the world never knew of the god that introduced goodness above and beyond the norm then we would need more than police to keep our societies in line. Super Police like robocop because i believe that if not for god, and all people thought they could do whatever they wanted this world would be chaos, on the streets, in the homes and in business for sure, rapes would be far more prevalent, killings would increase. In my town and others the churches feed the poor with dinners and they also fund local food banks and do a lot of good. Say what you will, God improves what mankind would abuse.
just sayin
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