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What if religion never existed anywhere?

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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    Wonder what people would turn to for hope.

    I would like to think each other.

    What would things be like?

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      More than hope its truth they relate with, its takes a master to appreciate a master.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Interesting thought. cool

    2. kess profile image60
      kessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Where there is no religion, there is actually one religion.

      For life is that religion where all knows truth.

      Otherwise religions will exist.

      1. MatzWhat profile image59
        MatzWhatposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        True!

    3. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Where there's a a human being, religion will exist. Man  usually is too scared of life to cope alone with it.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        here here

        morning tantrum big_smile

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Lyrics !
          I'm in a philosophical mood today .
          Too much going on in the world. sad

          anyway, Life is good to me.
          So I'll move along ! big_smile

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            lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            awesome
            nothing better than that big_smile

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Galileo would most likely have been the first man to set foot on Mars rather than being held captive for stating the world was not the center of the universe.

      Mankind would be looking after itself; disease, poverty and famine would be a thing of the past.

    5. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

         Actually no one knows the answer to this question.
         I would like to think that people would be listening to their little voice that echos in their heads, called their subconscience.
         They would also be more aware of their environment and be more in harmony with it.
         
        Unfortunately as in any civilization many people will feel a need to follow someone else's judgments rather than their own.  They will feel safer in a group because they are.
         The biggest and strongest in that group will verbalize their thoughts and the rest in that group will have to follow.
         And there will be many wannabes, waiting to take his place

         We would eventually reach an organized society of some sort.
      And after many centuries have passed when the outcome has been reached, With or without religion; "Little will have changed from how it is today"

         Just my thoughts.

    6. prettydarkhorse profile image65
      prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      they will still be believing in other belief system, Religion came into being because of the search for answers with questions like

      purpose meaning of existence of life etc

      it will become persistent because of questions unanswered

      the search for the absolute bugging us, ask marine hehe

    7. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think they would just develop new grouped beliefs that are no different from religion, like global warming.

      1. aguasilver profile image87
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        People would simply disagree about how the sun stood in the sky, or why there were seasons, argue about how babies were created or why some people were intrinsically bad, then one man or woman would stand out as having the answers, and BANG everyone would lift them up as the 'wise one' except Joe in the corner, who would argue his ideas, then some of the 'wise ones' followers would switch to Joe's groups and hey presto, you are back to square one.

        Some people are leaders, most are followers, some just like to meddle, others can't care less.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Are you a leader or a follower?

          1. aguasilver profile image87
            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Leaders never claim or aim for leadership, leaders are leaders because they are followed.

            If anybody wants to be a leader, don't follow them. smile

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Leader are only leaders because of manipulation and no other reason. smile

              1. aguasilver profile image87
                aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Unfortunately you are correct, our leaders tend to let all that power and adulation go to their head, they believe their own bull and get ideas above their station.

                It never seems to fail, mainly because all the people who would make good leaders know that accepting the role will destroy them or at least make them less true to themselves and their ideals.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  With one exception? True morality. If people lived within the true morality standard of life, then leaders wouldn't be corruptable as they are now. smile

                  1. The_R profile image60
                    The_Rposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Do animals have morality? They will kill each other if necessary, right? The strong steal from the weak. Morality is not something we are born with. It is something we learn. Who taught me? My father. Who taught him? His father. and so on. Who was the first one to teach his son that killing and stealing is wrong? I guess that question is as easy (or difficult) to answer as the question of what catalyst caused the big bang.
                    I think it's funny how you are obviously averse to religion and yet, your statement here shows that you recognize it's purpose in society.

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          The Paulposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, instead of sitting around wondering about those things and then making up whatever answer struck their fancy people would strive to determine the truth of them.

          1. aguasilver profile image87
            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            In which case they would discover God, for He IS the truth of them. smile

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. If people didn't have religion and were looking for answer, they would come upon the self-realization that the highest purpose for their life would be the protection and welfare of the rest of society. "GOD" wouldn't have a damn thing to do with it. smile

              1. aguasilver profile image87
                aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well of course you are entitled to your opinion, but it's just that.

                But let's not argue, there is no point as we are both right, in our own opinions. smile

            2. Pandoras Box profile image82
              Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this



              Doesn't your second quote here negate the statement in the first quote.

              1. aguasilver profile image87
                aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Not really, my point is that anybody who wants to lead is probably the wrong person to follow.

                A true leader is a servant to their followers, they die to self and live to serve.

                Christ was such a leader, and if everyone adopted the willing servants humility and desire to serve, then leaders would be irrelevant.

                But nobody wants to serve, they all want to be the leader, not understanding that leadership = servant to the followers.

                As a result, the leaders rule rather that serve, then it's only a matter of time before the system collapses and they seek to protect 'their' domain.

                Selfish self interest is the root cause of all problems.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  This is correct.

                  Is never a bad thing. It leads to self-growth. Self-growth is the essence of how we learn who we are as a person. This leads to the loving spirituality meant for humankind.

                  Self-interest can be positively reinforced by selfless action.

                  This holds true to humankinds goodness and purity. smile

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      L. Andrew Marrposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ever?

      Well society would never have united in the first place.

      Think about all the empires - Roman, British - both have a religion at the core.

      No crusades.

      Loads of historical events would never have happened. Who could say how that would have changed the time line?

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Religion wouldn't have existed and wouldn't have allowed people to usurp power and wealth, and control of other people. However, Government would have come along sooner, so society as a whole would be able to work together and achieve greater, and much more powerful advancements than what's already happened. smile

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          L. Andrew Marrposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ahh, but on the contary, we are not just talking about Christianity. We are talking about all religions.

          No democracy. No communism. No monarchy. Government would never have existed. Democracy stemmed from ancient Greece in a time when religion was of great importance (note Plato's "The Last Days of Socrates" and Herodotus' "Histories"). Communism came from Karl Marx (note Marx's "The Communist Manifesto") where he stated that "Religion is the opium of the masses", they need it to unite. Finally, the whole idea behind monarchy is that the King is God's choice. It has been like that since well before Darius the Great in Persia (yes, classical history is where I specialise).

          Granted no religion means the church can't hold the government back...but only because there would be no church or government. lol

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Government is not defined as a religion. I am not sorry to inform you. smile

    9. MikeNV profile image75
      MikeNVposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Religion is a creation of man.


      “Prejudices are what fools use for reason.”

      “All religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few.”

      “God has no religion”

      “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”

      “I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.”

    10. leeberttea profile image60
      leebertteaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "If God didn't exist, it would be necessary for man to invent him" Voltaire

      It's convenient to have God, to explain the unexplainable, to understand what is unknowable.

  2. skyfire profile image71
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    My favorite quote :

    "I guess it's only natural for inferior beings to ride on the coattails of their superior counterparts. If they wish to keep their lives, they have no choice but to obediently comply. It's a never ending chain... as the ones who are burdened with that trust, in order to escape that burden, seek to find someone even greater than themselves. These greater beings then seek others even greater than themselves to shelter them.This is how Gods are born. "

    In my views, religion is necessary for those who need mental-support in bad times and want to see society as just sheep-master way and they don't want to question anything in life.

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      big_smile big_smile big_smile

    2. Haunty profile image85
      Hauntyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Who's that quote from? In a way it reminds me of something that I consider true, that being, those who can't master themselves must seek out a master for themselves. It's not folly or weakness to admit that there are people who are greater than us. It's strength.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      But that is what you feel not what those who believe in God feel. How can people be such experts in what they don't know.

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You already intimately know the answer to that question; they lie.

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          big_smile Go create a hub or something

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            (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            A hub like, why believers have to lie? There most certainly is a mountain of evidence here to support such a hub.

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    honeymoon-travelposted 6 years ago

    Relgion helps in keeping one grounded and without it more people would be in depression by looking at things that others have and they don't.

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      true enough.

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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    Wars may not exist. Just a thought.

    1. retellect profile image80
      retellectposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah they will smile People will find anything to go to war for!

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        that's probably pathetically true mate, big_smile

    2. h.a.borcich profile image61
      h.a.borcichposted 6 years ago in reply to this

         War simplified is two men who disagree. Even if there was no religion to war over, I am sure testosterone would find something else to fight about. Holly

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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    but what if it didn't exist whatsoever?

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      More chaos than is.

  6. Pandoras Box profile image82
    Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago

    I would like to say that if there had never been any religion, then the world would be a better place. Maybe it would be, I don't know. But I know that apparently alot of people still turn to religion for their answers and for their comfort.

    To me that seems unfortunate, and I cannot really relate. I know for some people it makes them feel better, feel special, such as the fellow above who says "it takes a master to appreciate a master". Each religion thinks it has the truth. The big three espouse some form of retribution for the bad guys and some reward for the believers. "Every tear will be wiped away" and all that.

    For many believers I have little patience, but for the truly downtrodden and actually humble and little educated due to their social environments, I have more sympathy. Perhaps they need this false comfort.

    In ancient times, I guess humble ignorants were much more widespread. People seek answers and comfort, and when they can't find any, maybe religion of some sort helps them to carry on.

    It is my hope that in our modern world, religion will continue to lose its hold on people. Yes, I believe that going forward, a world without religion will be a much better place.

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "One needs to be  n a similar vibration to appreciate my words or else he will call me a fool" Guru Nanak

      Not my words,  smile Truth is truth smile

      Come to India you will see simple people who have a greater awareness of god, no foolish ego involved.

    2. wudie profile image61
      wudieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      religion to me seems to be an invention of some sort to feel better about "sins" and curbing the guilty conscience by being forgiven

  7. KeithTax profile image81
    KeithTaxposted 6 years ago

    If religion did not exist, we would, as Voltaire said so long ago, have to invent it.

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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    If religion did not exist we wouldn't be posting in this thread lol

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol  so true

  9. theirishobserver. profile image60
    theirishobserver.posted 6 years ago

    here in Ireland people worshiped money for the past ten years but now that the economy is slidding down hill rapid....the Churches are full again......

  10. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    big_smile

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    The Paulposted 6 years ago

    It's not like the world would be perfect.

    But it'd be better.

  12. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    Imagine.....

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

         I need further sudgestions as to what to imagine?? ; otherwise my mind is going to the beach and you can imagine the rest

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Imagine there's no heaven
        It's easy if you try
        No hell below us
        Above us only sky
        Imagine all the people
        Living for today...

        Imagine there's no countries
        It isn't hard to do
        Nothing to kill or die for
        And no religion too
        Imagine all the people
        Living life in peace...

        You may say I'm a dreamer
        But I'm not the only one
        I hope someday you'll join us
        And the world will be as one

        Imagine no possessions
        I wonder if you can
        No need for greed or hunger
        A brotherhood of man
        Imagine all the people
        Sharing all the world...

        You may say I'm a dreamer
        But I'm not the only one
        I hope someday you'll join us
        And the world will live as one

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks for the explination.. 
              I didn't catch on at first.

             That would be nice if everyone could do that

        2. aguasilver profile image87
          aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          They shot him. sad

    2. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      smile

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    The Paulposted 6 years ago

    It does bring up the question of what exactly a religion is.

    If there were no theistic belief, right from the dawn of time it was just something humans weren't capable of imagining, then I imagine we'd have a bunch of what you might call atheist religions.  Things like religious devotion to political parties and deified mortal leaders.

    You see it sometimes in the actual world.  Totally irrational dedication to a political ideology or leader, to the point of belief that the organization or leader in question can do the impossible.  The most extreme example we're familiar with would be Stalin's communism.  That Jim Kong Il guy is going for a similar effect.

    Now if the whole religious mindset were impossible altogether, whether or not it was associated with any kind of god, then we'd be much better off, I think.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

         Here I go again, thinking out loud.
        As I was reading your comment it flashed before my eyes that the only way to eliminate any form of religion or governmental organization we would have to be void of the ability to be DEVOTED to anything or anyone??  Just a thought.

         Now I have to go to work.  Someone gotta pay my light bill.

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        The Paulposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's not a matter of being rid of government.  That's stupid and impossible.  If we could stop being religiously devoted to political agendas though, that'd be good.

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "That's Stupid and impossible"  ...
            It has been my experience that people that use this terminology a lot have low self esteem. And believe that by using this strategy they somehow elevate themselves to a higher level.
               Is this why you do it?

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Your rudeness at calling Jerami stupid or his statement stupid, shows your lack of knowledge of morality in and of itself. Is it impossible? It is possible to limit Government's role in society, and in doing so, we would eliminate much of the problems that already exist. It isn't the elimination of government, just the limiting of their access into society. Once people understand the true moral standard that which SHOULD BE applied to life, then Government's intrusion would automatically be restricted, regardless of power, wealth or any other reason.

          This is the sole purpose for the separation of government and religion, unfortunately, religious leaders of the world, don't care to back off and let people live their life, so that they(religious leaders) can maintain their usurped power and wealth, and influence in society. Which is destructive beyond any and all means of rationalize thinking. smile

          1. aguasilver profile image87
            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You are nothing if not an idealist, maybe misguided, but certainly noble in your intentions! smile

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            The Paulposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Was Jerami ever really suggesting we get rid of government?  I'm not sure he was.  In the event he was... well, if I point out something is stupid and impossible and someone's offended because they liked the idea I don't really feel bad for them.  They should have thought about it harder.

            I mean really, describe a plausible scenario in which no system of government exists.

            1. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              To answer your question NO jerami was not suggesting that.
              It seemed to me that you might have been. It sounded to me that
              you were comparing Religion and Government and wanting to get rid of Religion. Thus Government falls under the same category??
                 My comment was...

              Here I go again, thinking out loud.
                As I was reading your comment it flashed before my eyes that the only way to eliminate any form of religion or governmental organization we would have to be void of the ability to be DEVOTED to anything or anyone??  Just a thought.

                 Would anyone want to rid the world from the ability to devote themselves to anyone or anything??...NO...  Government is necessary.
                And I was not offended by your comment; tweaking what I said and calling it stupid.  Sad to say but I'm getting used to that kind of childish behavior.  I find myself wanting to do that as well.  I "try" to always delete those comments before posting.   
                  I am sure that I have not expressed acurately the things that I want to say but ....

              1. Pandoras Box profile image82
                Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                We don't have to be minus the ability to devote ourselves to people, causes, beliefs. We just have to be looking from a perspective of not devoting ourselves to any of the millions of false gods, and the false beliefs they create within us, or the false causes they often create in us. And they create false prides in us, too.

                Face the truth that they are all the same, that there is no more logical reason to believe in our religion than there is logical reason for believing in all of the other religions. Take our atheism to the next level, be as skeptical of our gods as we are of their gods, and admit that our god is as false as everyone else's. We can be so reasonable when it comes to not believing in their religions, we need to apply that same logical detachment when we consider the validity of our own religion.

                Then use our natural abilities to devote ourselves to something more useful. Like facing reality on our planet. Imagine what we could do if we let go of our misconceptions. Think of all of the time and energy still wasted on religion, still wasted on our misguided perspectives, and on our lack of honest objectivity.

                The numbers are growing. There are greater percentages of convicted atheists, questioning skeptics, doubting believers and nonpracticing doubters among us now than there has ever been before, and those percentages continue to grow.

                Some of us see this as a bad thing. If we say we can do something worthwhile without religious belief, they can submit as proof that scripture says without their god we can do no good. These people need to realize that they are looking at things from a brainwashed perspective, believing in the sanctity of their own outdated myth.

                We can accomplish great things, I believe, if we'd just devote ourselves. But we cannot make a false god's promises come true by devoting ourselves to a false basis for our devotions.

  14. MatzWhat profile image59
    MatzWhatposted 6 years ago

    There is always religion, religion is our belifs, and if we didnt have belifs we would be dead because we wouldnt know what to do.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's REALLY sad.

      Funny, how the rest of us find plenty to do, like providing YOU with a computer, internet connection and these forums in which to post your morbid outlook.

      Nothing to do and nothing to learn, evidently.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You cannot be serious? roll

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I am not judging for or against Religion. There are as many good things to say about it as there are negative things to say.

            I believe that Religion is not our beliefs.
            When Religion becomes our beliefs we then have none of our own.
           I think that Religion is not a thing or place. Religion is the action of organizing the  beliefs of a group of people.
           When Christians gathered together in the first century, it was in faith, not in the name of religion.
           Jesus did not say that the way to the father was through the Religion.   If we are not careful, Religion can stand between us and our heavenly father.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Religion is a BUSINESS and nothing more. It is described as a code of ethics bound to a higher cause. The higher cause is the mystical higher power of the "GOD" concept.

          Plain and simple. No more truth than that. smile

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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    I am proud to be both depending on what date I'm on.

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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    they would save lots of money for the costs of religious clothing.

  17. Hokey profile image60
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    Spirituality is the quest for something greater than ourselves. A connection to the God that can come from within. The openness of heart and mind.

    Religion is a set of rules and traditions that in many cases unfortunately creates us and them. If there was no religion I believe there would still be spirituality because of mans continuous curiosity and search for meaning.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The true spirituality of humankind is in the greater good of humanity as a whole. There is NO other higher cause to strive for.

      This statement doesn't require paying homage to a "GOD" of any kind.

      Humanity already has a standard for morality. If you don't know what it is, then it's your fault for not investigating it further.

      This is the only true statement you made. smile

  18. Shadesbreath profile image89
    Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago

    Necessary in the beginning to quell the fears and provide structure for social order.  It was inevitable. 

    It may become inevitable again.  At this point in TIME, however, it becomes less inevitable as it at least appears possible to, someday, figure "it all" out.

    This is the trend:

    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/2488345_f520.jpg

    1. Haunty profile image85
      Hauntyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What a brave approval of God on here! lol Well, half-approval.

  19. Stevennix2001 profile image83
    Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago

    watch the first half of the film, "invention of lying", and you'll find out.  not saying that religion is a lie or anything, but that film does show a world without religion at all.  therefore, i think that would be a good reference to start with when thinking up a world without religion.  smile

  20. Shadesbreath profile image89
    Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago

    This anthropological study proved fairly clearly the inevitability of RELIGION, almost outside the ontology of God.

    http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~thompsoc/Body.html

  21. sannyasinman profile image59
    sannyasinmanposted 6 years ago

    It will take a leap in human consciousness before people finally realise that they don't, and never did, need Religion.

    When that day comes, the world will be a better place.

    1. Haunty profile image85
      Hauntyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This leaves me pondering what your definition of religion is.

      1. sannyasinman profile image59
        sannyasinmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Religion is an institution. Spirituality is an experience. 

        Religions are institutions built around a particular idea of how things are. When those ideas become hardened and set in stone, they are called dogmas and doctrines. They then become largely unchallengeable. Organized religions require you to believe in their teachings.

        Spirituality does not require you to believe anything, rather it continually invites you to notice your experience. Your personal experience becomes your authority, rather than what someone else has told you.

        1. The Learner profile image59
          The Learnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "Your personal experience becomes your authority..."

          Here are some things to keep in my with this explanation:

          1) No two "personal experiences" can ever be exactly alike without contradicting its own defintion of "personal"

          2) If whatever you believe becomes your authority, then there is absolutely no objective "right" or "wrong."  It's impossible.

          1. sannyasinman profile image59
            sannyasinmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I thought it was straightforward enough.
            Your personal experience becomes your authority (instead of someone elses experience), and you believe what you experience. Doesn't that make sense?
            Even Buddha said " Seek not to be like me. Seek what I sought". This basically is the same idea.

            . . and you're right - there is no right and wrong smile

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This leap of consciousness has already occurred, why do you think that RELIGION incorporated Jesus' work in religion, so as to hide the fact that consciousness is the highest cause for life. smile

  22. Sunshiney31 profile image78
    Sunshiney31posted 6 years ago

    People would be left with to many questions.Religion is a way to get around asking.Why this and why that.It's a belief sytem that is set out in front of you and either you accept it or not.Religion to me is a very different thing from faith.Faith to me is knowing I'm not alone that there is a creator who has my heart within his best interests.Religion is a way possibly to keep people sedated in a certain belief sytem.Againpeople would be left answering to many questions,and qiuet possibly getting the real answers..

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Questions like what? Everything has already been answered to the most basic of each person's needs. There would be no searching for answers. People would have to accept their life for theirs and be self-responsible for every action they step up on to do.

      This is the primary reason for the failure of society.

      Religion is a business based on a code of ethics, bound to a higher cause, such as the "GOD" concept. It's a lie.

      The only FAITH you should have is in yourself and other people.

      What difference could it possibly make on living your life? It is only a crutch for you to say or accept things you cannot or don't want to face. It's absurd.

      The belief system humans form are supposed to be based on factual evidence you can verify. If you think it is anything else, then you're obvious missing knowledge and understanding about life.

      Again, there would be no question, because people would be forced to accept every aspect of their life and then plan to live it like they are suppose to. smile

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Cagsil well said!  smile

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you Earnest. How are you? smile

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

               I say  HAY watsup, Cagsil and Earnest
            I can agree with certain points that you have made concerning Religion, yet I still believe in the higher power that is called God. And I believe the things that Jesus taught.
            But you don't have to.

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              With what I just said.......? Then, you obviously don't understand what Jesus taught. I'll leave it at that then. smile

              1. Jerami profile image77
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this


                    I didn't say that I always agree with what you say.
                   I didn't say that I agreed with every thing you said this time.  I would have to change the wording a little and then I could.
                    It seems to me that you must not have ever understood the things that I have been saying.
                    Religion as you have described it is what John saw rising up out of the sea in Rev. 13.
                    There are many good Christians attending Church that have not gotten caught up in the Religion aspect of Church.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  How do you know what he saw? If you research humanity's evolution, you would find out that people were not guided by their left-side brain functions, meaning there was NO reasoning, sane or rationalization. They were actually guided by their Right-Side brain, which is strictly subconsciousness and images. Making the images just a figment of their imagination. smile

                  Is that better. smile

                  1. Jerami profile image77
                    Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                     
                       And I still do not disagree with the things that I have said. This thing that you are saying about the right side of the brain vs left side means nothing.
                       No one knows that. Who has seen one of their brains while it was functioning. And even if it is true that changes nothing of what I have said or believe.

          2. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I am just great thank you Cagsil. Hoping to find you the same! smile

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'm doing well. I'm glad to hear you're doing great. smile

  23. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    There is no god.

    Jesus knew it. His teachings were encoded with the primitive language at the time. Which was predominately religious/spriritual scripture of religion.

    There is a reason he was murdered/executed and it's not for the reason that people are lead to believe. The crooked people of religion eliminated him so his teachings wouldn't be found out.

    There is a reason why his teachings were included in religion, even though he was not teaching religion. His words were coded to hide his teachings from the Romans. Which, when they realized that he wasn't teaching religion, they killed him.

    Then, the STOLE his works, so the truth couldn't be found out.

    His teachings were that of consciousness. Research humanity's point of evolution at the time of Jesus. You will find something absolutely remarkable. smile

  24. Sunshiney31 profile image78
    Sunshiney31posted 6 years ago

    Can we agree do disagree? I don't think religion is right.I believe it's made to quiet and brainwash people,so they don't ask questions.They are force feed,without questioning why!Not everything has been answered.By no means has it all been answered.There are still mysteries left to be revealed.I think it foolish to believe anyone has all the right answers.I also believe God has them.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      When people begin using common-sense, I'll be glad to agree with them, but to disagree is my full right.

      This statement is the best statement you've said so far.

      Correct. smile

      That would depend what person you are talking to in the first place. There are some say that religion has all the answers. smile

      Actually, I would disagree. Common-sense goes a long way to understanding life, as long, as people are to understand true morality.

      The "GOD" concept without religion is NON-existent. You take away religion and it's so-called teachings, then there is nothing left. Hence, NO GOD! smile

  25. bojanglesk8 profile image59
    bojanglesk8posted 6 years ago

    There would have been no wars.

  26. goldenpath profile image80
    goldenpathposted 6 years ago

    Interesting thoughts posted.  Disturbing, but interesting.  In my estimation civilization would have plundered to extinction long ago if no religion existed at all.  Very true - millions have died in war under banners of religion.  Some were unnecessary and some were very necessary and, in fact, essential. 

    Charity, hope and aid to those less fortunate would probably not exist on a level even remotely to what is does today.  A vast amount of charities and humanitarian aid groups do their work in the name of their faith and the God in which they worship and acknowledge.  The same goes for disease fighting efforts.  Enormous amounts of research and discoveries come out of religious funded schools, universities and research facilities. 

    Many would say that all would be "shangri la" in a world without religion but put into perspective the huge application of positives invested into the world based largely on - faith.  The unfortuneate events in Haiti are heart wrenching.  At the same time the overwhelming aid being received is largely packaged in foundations of faith.

    Given the broad freedoms in the United States it is nothing short of a miracle that we have not witnessed another 9/11.  Think about it.  Our borders are very porous and the time lapsed since then can easily be viewed as a warning to give us the time to get our act together or falter as we did before. 

    The evidence of the benefits of faith to me outweigh those wrongs that have taken place upon the lands.  All things will be answered for in time.  Until then let's look to the positive light that faith manifests itself on the Earth. 

    Faith will not be taken from the Earth.  Hope is here to stay.

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      L. Andrew Marrposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree - no religion, if traced back, would mean no society. People have a natural tendancy to be selfish (Dawkins - "The Selfish Gene")so religion caused the people to believe in a common cause. Only under a common cause can people unite.

      We're not really talking about religion anymore - more philosophy, sociology and history.

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        The Paulposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hah!  Nice work on name-dropped Dawkins and the Selfish Gene without reading said book.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Pure nonsense. Mankind survived long before your religion came along. 



      WHAT?!?!? Wars were essential?



      Complete BS! Why are you posting these lies?



      I have this incredible urge to punch your lights out, pal. Religion has turned you into a very sick and twisted individual.

      1. goldenpath profile image80
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for the hatred.  My point is reinforced every time it's expressed.  Have a good evening.  smile

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          My hatred? You come here spreading YOUR brand of holier-than-thou crap and expect us to remain silent? You insult everyone who isn't of your faith with hatred and contempt, pal. Your "point" only reinforces the sickness of your mindset.

          1. aguasilver profile image87
            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No personal attacks please. smile

    3. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is a false argument I think. The good that the existing conglomerate of churches -or mosques or temples, etc.- does accomplish isn't necessarily caused by the religions. That is the framework we're in, so is that is a base many of us work from. I'd be surprised if you could prove that the less numerous secular organizations don't do just as much good.



      Same as I said above.



      So religious faith here in America is what has kept back any further attacks caused by the religious faith in others? This argument seems counterproductive.



      Faith and religious faith are two different things. I readily can agree to the benefits of the former.

      1. goldenpath profile image80
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, I am not saying faith has held back another attack.  I am saying that it is possible that we are being ALLOWED time to get our act together.  The space of time since 9/11 may be that allowance.  It's not my doctrine but I am saying it is possible that a God could conduct the unfolding of history in such a manner if it be His will.

  27. Daniel Carter profile image91
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    It seems to me that governments and religions are about the same. They herd sheep and pretend to prevent them from hurting each other, while providing some kind of "hero" for the masses, whether political or religious.

    I'm not sure, honestly, that the world would be a better place without either of these because it seems to me that so many people "rely" on them for justification of their own positions, and winning influence and a fan base. It's a eons-old game, I think.

    However, if we *were* prepared to live without either religion or government, it would be because we are at peace with our own selves first, and therefore, the premise of seeing others also at peace with us, and us with them, and finding fulfillment in that interconnectedness (not codependence).

    Ahhhh, mucho, mucho philosophy in me today, I'm afraid. I'll quit before my rant gets too far flung.

    But in a nutshell, I think the world would be a better place without religion, IF we were ready for that.

    1. aguasilver profile image87
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We are not. smile

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well, agua, the qualifier is "if." And as mentioned, I'm not sure we are ready for no religion. For as much trouble that can be historically documented about it, it does *some* good in the world. I grew up in a very religious family. I haven't thrown all that away, but I've thrown out all the garbage to do with religion. I'm more an agnostic now.

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 6 years ago

    No, no, no.

    You misunderstand my point.

    In order for government systems to be put in place, back when societys first formed, they were based on religion. Granted it was Greek/Persian/Roman/other mythology but it still stood in the pillar of government, right back to the first tyrants.

    My point is that without religion I doubt society would have even taken off the ground because we all need that common cause to unite to.

    God, Zeus, Brahman - it doesn't matter what the central belief is, society just needs a basic belief to survive.

    If you disagree then we shall have to agree to disagree. I'm off now because I have a philosophy exam tomorrow (haha how appropiate eh?) so will never get your response. Sorry.

    However, I would very much like to continue this another time if you want. Another time and another forum haha.

    GOOD NIGHT VEITNAM

    AND KEEP WATCHING THE SKIES.

    smile

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      L. Andrew Marrposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry, that was directed at CAGSIL^^^^

      Night all.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

    I'd smoke pot.

    1. rainstreet profile image61
      rainstreetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      religion keeps you from smoking?

  30. rainstreet profile image61
    rainstreetposted 6 years ago

    Religion and spirituality aren't interchangeable.

  31. The Learner profile image59
    The Learnerposted 6 years ago

    This is an intriguing question.

    First, I am a Christian.

    Second, I would like to say that religion has to be more than something that humans create in order to have hope.  If we look at all of the religions of the world, we see that they are all very different.  Some religions don't provide any hope for a better future, others don't have an "all-good" deity.  So if religions are just simply human projections of their need for a "higher power," it brings a lot to question concerning the goodness and need of humans.  Also, it qualifies any and every belief as valid or good for the sake of bringing hope (even religious extremists who practice terrorism -- it brings them hope of a good afterlife, doesn't it?)

    Third, I don't think God ever intended for there to be religion.  God did not plan for religion.  From the very beginning, God has desired a relationship with us humans -- a growing, dynamic relationship.  Our Heavenly Father even sent the Son to give his life that it might be possible for us to be in relationship with Him.

    If religion is a set of regulations, rites, rules, and beliefs that we have constructed to give us hope, the world would be better without religion.

    We don't need religion, we need a relationship with Christ.

    - The Learner

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    Denno66posted 6 years ago

    If religion never existed anywhere, the population would just be stupid.

  33. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    All of these posts on this page are well and good...
    In the perfect world.  unfortunately there are sociopaths in the world that we live in.  For this reason YOU would have to establish a few rules preventing them from infringing upon your values.
        The only way to preserve this new and improved spirituality would require extermination of those that refused to play by YOUR rules. And before long you will have gone full circle in establishing yet a diffrent kind of Religion based on spirituality.
        For this reason I do not think that it is possible to have a perfect world for everyone, in the physical realm, until all of the sociopaths have been cast out or prevented from entering.
        I think that I have read this story someplace before?

  34. Valerie F profile image61
    Valerie Fposted 6 years ago

    If there were no religion in the world and we had nothing better than ourselves and each other to turn to for hope, we'd be in for nothing better than a world of hurt and disappointments perhaps with a few bright spots. In other words, I don't think we'd be any better off.

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Religions have guided many in attaining enlightenment or moksha.There are so many saints in every religion and not only the founder or prophet of that religion.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So, you hate people and love the invisible and undetectable? People make you unhappy and depressed while delusions make you happy?

      Funny, it's the other way round for me.

      1. Valerie F profile image61
        Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Q, you would have to be delusional to believe people are perfect and never hurt or let others down.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So, would you. I don't believe that nonsense and have never stated such a thing. The fact is that you ARE delusional for believing such a being exists.

      2. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        When did I say I hate people I have always said god is omnipresent present in all things including man.

        Its love which connects us and hate which disconnects.

        How can I connect with someone intent on hating me?

        I have made peace and friends with other atheist here on this forum, it was done through and love and respect and not hate.

  35. Happyontheinside profile image60
    Happyontheinsideposted 6 years ago

    There'd be a lot less arguements...

    Ultimately though I think that people turn to religion to give meaning to an otherwise purposeless existence. Without capitalism and the monetary reward scheme to distract you think about what else keeps you alive. Your family and friends? What about those that have none of those? The suicide rate would be a lot higher and I also think that there would be a lot less imagination in the world. I also think less people would see the point in life on a day to day basis - and death of loved ones would be much, much harder to deal with...

    On the upside there would be less war, maybe even less hatred in the world - but there would also be less compassion and less love. Henry the eigth wouldn't have been such a bad guy and hitler wouldn't have been quite so crazy (no aerian race for him!) I daresay something else would evolve to hieghten community spirit - oh yeah and since the dramatic arts would never have been invented in the church of Dionysus in ancient times then we might not have movies or television now. Witches wouldn't ever have existed so theoretically nobody would have been burned at the stake...We wouldn't have AD or BC so time would be measured differently. The whole of history would be different - i reckon it would be a completely different world - but humans will always find ways to persecute each other.

  36. theirishobserver. profile image60
    theirishobserver.posted 6 years ago

    then we would not be able to say for Christs sake...we would have to say for Banannas sake or something smile

    1. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh for Bananas' sake. I like it.

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol lol

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    The Paulposted 6 years ago

    I wasn't comparing religion to government, I was comparing religion to "religious" devotion to political entities. 

    Which is totally different from just voting for the party you think has the best grip on how to run the country.

    The comment that getting rid of government is stupid and impossible was intended to distance myself from that stance, which some people actually hold but I do not.

    I stand by my statement that if someone is offended by my assertion that getting rid of government is stupid and impossible it's their fault for wanting to do something stupid and impossible.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

         Some people are overly anxious to pounce that they do not attempt to understand the statement that they are pouncing on.
          I never said what you were insinuating that I said.
          You created something to pounce upon.

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        The Paulposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think if you review the conversation you will this thread of it began when Cagsil attacked me for making a statement I never made.

  38. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Well I have drank all of my coffee...  Time to go make a living.  Will check back in later.
        Every one ... Have a blessed day.

  39. Will Apse profile image91
    Will Apseposted 6 years ago

    I live in a Buddhist country. Religion is everywhere and most of the beliefs sound downright crazy (we are not talking Budhism as a philosophy here, we are talking about the philosophy mixed in with traditional Chinese religion and a whole load of pretty shamanistic beliefs).

    But as crazy as the beliefs may be, the actual people are remarkably sane.

    I like religions that give a place for all the non rational stuff in human beings to be structured, resolved and turned to good purpose.

    I don't like religions that lead their flocks into destructive political positions and hatred of others.

  40. skyfire profile image71
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Religions exist cause Pandora opened the box.

  41. EWS profile image59
    EWSposted 6 years ago

    Then there would not have been the 100s of wars started over the last thousand years.  Most if them were in the name of religion.  But I would say that it is not religion alone that does it but the people who take religion and turn it into something bad and perverse.  Jesus was not bad, and if everyone followed everything he said, there would be no war.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There would still be war, because the words of Jesus' work have been manipulated into the wrong context, so those of religious hierarchy can maintain power, wealth and control over other people.

      Once, this is realized and Jesus' work is truly learned, then and only then, can humankind move forward and become greater than ever imagined. smile

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        sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm shocked and amazed! Bless you!big_smile

  42. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    The Paul  said.....
      I think if you review the conversation you will this thread of it began when Cagsil attacked me for making a statement I never made

    Jerami .... Any statement that anyone makes on the forums can be misconstrued when not examined correctly.
       Some people are overly anxious to pounce that they do not attempt to understand the statement that they are pouncing on.

       I have found that I can agree with some things that most everyone has posted at some time or another. And I try most of the time to understand why people feel the way that they do .
       I try to hear and remember those things that can be seen as commonalities and learn something from everything that I read.

       I may not be very good at doing this but I'm trying to get better at it
       To focus on the differences is non productive.
    Just a lot of rhetoric ..

  43. efeguy profile image61
    efeguyposted 6 years ago

    only GOD can tell.the world would have goneeeeeeeeeeee

  44. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    If religion never existed, that WOULD be heaven on earth! lol

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    StormRyderposted 6 years ago

    We wouldn't have had the inquisitions or witch hunts.
    Orginized religion has caused more pain and suffering than about anything in this world. All said to be in the name of god..but it was more like in the name of greed and power of those claiming to be holy men.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, very good points. smile

  46. camlo profile image82
    camloposted 6 years ago

    What if religion never existed anywhere?

    The world would be a much more peaceful place.

  47. Hokey profile image60
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    More wars have been fought and more people have been killed in the name of "GOD" then anything else.   sad

    1. camlo profile image82
      camloposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Right!

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        wrong!!! More wars have been fought over possession of land and greed and for monetary gain than over anything. War has even been used to control overpopulation. Was world war one and two over religion. Vietnam? nope. Wolves always wear sheeps clothing and many a war in the past, has been said to be over religion, but thats politics for ya.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So, since there were other wars in history, the wars that Christianity perpetrated are justified?

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend  brotheryochanan

          I agree with you. The politicians fight was in the name of religion or peace or democracy but for their own material benefits. Religion is never invloved in wars; the politicians thrust war on them and sometimes the religions have have to defend their position.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        3. lucieanne profile image81
          lucieanneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          'was world war 2 fought over religion?'
          Actually yes it was. Hitler wanted to rid the world of Jews.

  48. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    From the earliest beliefs we have such lovelies as the Taliban, who still believe the earth is flat and that strapping bombs on their kids gives them a better life and shows their parental love, to the slightly watered down bible followers who's god will do all the killing and torturing for them. Not a big move really! lol
    Could we live without these beliefs? I think we could manage! lol

    1. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Taliban and bomb strapping. In these belief systems reincarnation is predominant, therefore killing is a way of improving ones position in life. God doesn't offer reincarnation, the god of the bible promotes life by saying he will make life abundantly good and so on. We can definitely live without reincarnation, but if all the world never knew of the god that introduced goodness above and beyond the norm then we would need more than police to keep our societies in line. Super Police like robocop because i believe that if not for god, and all people thought they could do whatever they wanted this world would be chaos, on the streets, in the homes and in business for sure, rapes would be far more prevalent, killings would increase. In my town and others the churches feed the poor with dinners and they also fund local food banks and do a lot of good. Say what you will, God improves what mankind would abuse.
      just sayin smile

      1. lucieanne profile image81
        lucieanneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        We created God - He did not create us. 'God'- for want of a better word- is in most of us. God is the divine entity who created the universe and everything in it, not some holy spirit sitting in this mythical place some like to call heaven.  Before we are born we are nothing, and when we die we go back to nothing. We have to make the most of our time on Earth while we are here. This is not a rehersal. Be nice to everyone. Respect each other and try not to hurt anyone in any way. Isn't that what Jesus allegedly said? The human race is becoming too big for its boots. We are nothing more than parasites eating away at our beautiful planet, like an infestation of locusts. We need to take stock of the situation before it's too late. 'God' does nothing to stop the natural disasters. He can't - It's nature. What can religion do to stop an earthquake or tsunami? In bleak times it's not religion that holds people together, it's basic human spirit. If we put our faith in each other instead of some misplaced religion, the world would be a better place for us all to share.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    What if religion never existed anywhere?

    This will remain only a supposition; when the Skeptics would be in senses they would join the truthful,rational and peaceful religion.

    This is destined by the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  50. aware profile image70
    awareposted 6 years ago

    without religion i feel god ideas would still fill  minds. as creators  we  humans naturally look for others like ourselves .

 
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