Almost 2000 years ago there was a truth brought forth by a great man (Son Of GOD).
The father of deceit (Satan) began using this truth for his selfish purposes. Only a few interpretations were necessary for his plan to work.
Over time these interpretations seemed to take a life of their own. These interpretations matured and mated; reproducing many offspring. Almost 2000 years later the earth is covered with interpretations of the original truth.
Now the father of the lie points to "The Faith" and accuses it of falsehoods.
As my grandfather would ask;........
"You are goina Sh-t on me and then kick me cause I stink ??? "
"I don't think so"
The truth is still here, written in scriptures.
We just gotta dig past the interpretations to get to it and hold on tight to it.
I'm just thinking out loud again.
Could there be any truth in this ???
No. The very idea is laughable. Sorry. Utter nonsense and the basis for religion.
Do I see someone pointing at me saying that I stink???
It's funny how you decided to point a finger, when I was the second person to say something.
Did I say anything about you whatsoever? I simply agreed with what Mark Knowles said. Don't think you're special, because you are not.
Your pathetic interpretation of religion and it's false or phoney writings is a joke.
You bring up scriptures, when you haven't first realized that religion's pathetic storyline of a mythic or mystical "GOD" is FAKE to begin with.
If you understood Jesus' work, like you supposedly claim to, then you would KNOW religion is false. But, since you cannot seem to take your own ego and check, like the rest of the religious people on the damn planet......your ignorance offends any common-sensible person.
I apologise. I thought that I responded to both of your comments. I didn't meen to single anyone out. Sorry
I have read that you believe you have THE answer for religion, God, Jesus, society, humanity, blah,blah, blah, but your delivery stinks. Put people down on another thread for using the same words and sneers you use quite often.
If you slowed down and got the ego in check - you might see it.
Your ignorance is most offensive, and I even like you as a person. I would hate to view you as a hypocrite. Holly
You want proof. Test the doctrines. Be honest with yourself when you do? Don't take my word, I'm not trying to tell anyone to take my word on it.
My self-realization of no god is simple, by the test of doctrines religion perpetuates forth. When you throw away religion as a hoax- it's pathetic GOD concept goes with it.
Religion is a hoax, that means the "GOD" concept is too.
Yes, people were praying to some sort of GOD before religion came about. However, it's still religion and/or religious, mystic.
I told what to do get your proof. Don't try turning it around. My proof isn't for you, it's to guide you toward answering that question. Again, you want proof, do as I told you. You don't want to answer the question, then don't. It's your choice.
Lucy was a hoax, as was piltdown man. According to your logic, evolution is a hoax also. I am glad someone finally admits it.
Science isn't a religion. And, you're twisting again, so it suits you needs. Thus, trying to save face.
this conversation, we've had.
the only difference between science / religion is the approach to question-ability (the NTK). one through 'logic' one through 'sensation'. So let's face facts and not protect such ideologies that do no good for either side.
beside, the wedding is close. they both will be inviting the masses, no doubt. i am selling my invitation on eBay..
I simply used your logic to come to that conclusion.
If you were using my logic, then we would have been in agreement.
There is a lot of truth to this. Satan decieved Eve in the beginning and has been doing so ever since. Jesus said that Satan is the father of lies and the truth is not in him.
Hey SirDent, the LIES even contains truth in it. What truth is revealed is what is needed to be determined.
Truth is in everything. It is for us(as people) to find it.
A lie, always bares out truth, because truth always finds it way out.
When I used to drink, I always drank whiskey and I liked to drink it straight up. I didn't want it mixed with anything. I only wanted the pure stuff.
The same can be said about your statement. Once truth is diluted with lies, it isn't pure anymore and therefore, of no effect.
Great analogy. You think you could drink un-watered whiskey?
Watered down whiskey is better than watered down truth.
When a person drinks watered down whiskey, it casts more to get the diesired effect. You can laugh if you want, I don't mind.
When a person eats the truth mixed with lies, it will likewise cost more in the long run. How much are you willing to pay?
Considering that our reality is all we have to offer and demonstrate, we can only honestly state that this is our truth. Hence, it is religion that waters down this truth.
Feel free to show otherwise.
Can your truth be the same for other? A rapist for instance believe that it is his right to rape and therefore it is his truth.
It takes more watered down whiskey to get a person drunk than if he drank straight whiskey. That is common sense.
The rapist doesn't have a right to rape. It's morally wrong.
A rapist harms society. It was their right to rape someone. No such right exists.
By whose moral com pass? Many things harm society. Unprotected sex harms society. Premarital sex harms society.
Unprotected sex harms society? You're twisting the lack of self-responsibility of people who have no moral standard, to suit your needs. Premartial sex harms society? Not on your life. You couldn't sell that even for a $1.00.
The problem is morality - there needs to be a set standard, so civilized society explodes forth. It needs to be taught by parents to children, like it should be.
It's obvious, society as a whole isn't moral. Just looking at it, there are too many selfish people in the world. Approximately 4 billion of them are part of religion.
You talk of morality after saying that premarital sex is not harmful to society. Self responsibility stems from moralty first. Unwanted pregnancies leading to abortions. No one can tell me this isn't harmful to society.
I also think I get what you have been talking about the last few days. The moral compass will be set by you and you alone. In other words, what you say goes.
Good luck getting everyone in the world to follow you.
personal responsibility and premarital sex are two sererate things... one is not the other.
abortion is another issue, to me abortion is immoral, but married sex or unmarried sex isn't the making of that choice.
You talk about abortion being harmful to society. Yes, it is. What is your point? The only reason abortion exists is to keep the population under control, in the U.S. If you haven't figured that out, then I gave you too much credit. And, since when did the GOVERNMENT become self-responsible? When did this happen?
Unwanted pregnancies happen for a number of reasons, not just premartial sex.
When you want to grasp this concept- abortion? You should seriously consider weighing the entire value, inherent to the word.
Morality has a unique standard of it's own. It has anything to do with me, as a person. I'm not setting it. It's like reality, it exists, whether or not, I have any say in the matter.
I don't know why you would think that I would set it? I'm just making people aware it exists.
You fail to realize the understanding of living a moral life. However, I'll leave that to you, considering, you'll probably place some sort of blame on me, next.
Premarital sex harms society on many levels. Unwanted pregnancy many times leads to abortions. Many are born to a single mom which has many disadvantages for the child. I am not dogging single parents - it is the hardest job in the world. But two parents are better able to protect and provide for a child. Children of poverty are high risk for gang and criminal activity, less likely to get thru high school and to college. Premarital sex has a price on society.
The other aspect of premarital sex is the lack of self respect. When virtue has no value and is cheapened, there is less value placed on fidelity. And we know infidelity is a moral problem.
What does the government have to do with premarital sex and "self responsibity"? I do believe I have addressed what I see as the major pitfalls of believing premarital sex is fine.
I too have been pondering what you have been posting the last few days. Honestly, you talk down to more than a few of us insinuating only Cags has the truth and knowledge. You claim to have all the answers - why wouldn't I and others think you would set the rules! It smells like a new religion to me. Holly
Actually, I am trying to get you to listen to reason, yet you continually berate the fact that I am trying to explain something, which obviously don't want to hear.
I have only claimed to have answers for my life. I've not claimed to have all the answers to your existence nor do I know your future. I can only speak for myself.
Your negative attitude shows your individual ignorance of the subject. I don't have to have followers or believers or would I set the rules.
The rules already exist. I'm simply informing those who don't know they already exist. It's plain and common-sense decency. It's called MORALITY.
If you don't know the rules exists, how can you live by them.
If you don't know what the rules are, how can you hold others accountable?
If you don't know what the rules are, how can you teach them to children, who need to learn them.
Morality isn't a natural things that people grow into? It is in the breeding of families, from parents to children.
THAT is the response of a "religionist" minus the word God! And almost verbatim!!!!! Keep your religion Cags - I am fine as a Christian Holly
Sounds like something Adolf Hitler would say if he was alive today. Keep only those who are blond headed with blue eyes. All others are beneath us.
It's not about anyone being beneath anyone else. I don't get where you're coming from. And, frankly it doesn't matter.
You teach your children how to be moral? I can only hope you did or do.
Whatever you teach them is what you arm them with for living? Correct. When you tell them it bad to hurt someone, yet you hurt someone? That is still teaching them, providing they saw it.
Morality is passed on from parent to children. Parents LEAD by example for their children.
Of course I teach my son how to live right and treat people well. It is what is taught outside of the home that comes in like a flood almost constantly that is the problem.
What I stated above was a reply to your talking about family breeding. Hitler thought on those same lines. Everyone who was Jew, homosexual, gypsies, etc. . . were less than dogs. Your statement reminded me of that.
I realize that. But, you're adding negativity to a positively charged subject. That isn't really necessary to do.
Hitler was a moron. Anyone bent on global domination is an idiot. It goes for those who start wars for religious reasons. They are idiots.
Morality is the basis for society to move forward. I am glad you teach your children right from wrong. It's apparent, when you look at society.....it's not been taught in too many homes over the last 20+ years. It seems to be missing.
And in this perfect society what are you going to do with those that have no moral value, such as those that have unprotected sex or go around rapeing people. Are there going to be any rules? punishment ?
(Mark's point to the drink whiskey that doesn't have water in it was that water is what makes whiskey a liquid.)
Really? And, you know this how? Are you a rapist?
So what is your point? Are you saying religion makes you drunk?
Q, are you bored or just looking for a fight?
And he has not been on holiday for the past 2000 years.
He has been working fervently improving upon his interpretations so that we will be eager to accept them.
Then, he erred and has to fix it? Why is taking so long to fix his errors? Isn't he a god? Can't he just snap his fingers or wave his hand and it's all good?
Funny how omnipotence takes a back seat to confusion.
I was talking about the father of lies has been improving his interpretations. God is watching, giving him and the beast allotted time to see how many people are going to believe his lies.
So - you are not really asking for opinions are you?
Like all the other religionists - you pretend to ask questions so you can tell us the utter nonsense you have already decided is true.
Why is that? I mean - I know your religion encourages lying, but do you not see that it is this sort of behavior that causes all the conflict and persuades every one it is nonsense. Almost like you are doing Satan's bidding.
Can you explain to me how the way that I have presented my thoughts are any diffrent than the way you or Caigs present yourself??????????
Why even bother asking for responses? You are now arguing in favor. Even though you claim not to try and persuade anyone or argue.
You see me saying "So - evolution. What do you think? Is it really a lie?" And then arguing with people when they say yes.
Yes I ask a simple question expecting a better responce than someone saying... "thats rediculious". I thought that I might receive a thoughtful responce.
I suppose that's a very sensible explanation, if you believe there is a truth hidden in there.
I don't believe ,so I can't see it. All I see is Myth.
Now that the first wave has passed...
Does anyone else have any thoughts. for? and against?
Hopefully not a yes or no answer.
But those are also ok
Jerami, I don't know that you can have everyone agree to only one version of Christianity. I think each person is touched according to how that person is. Could it be that Satan can reach people by deception, yeah, but it's still up to that person to realize it. It would be very hard to protect everyone, so you have to have faith.
One can only know the original by going to the original.
How long are we going to compare copy with copies?
That would have been ok if there was no original but the truth is the Original is where it has always been.
My friend leave the books alone and walk in the Spirit.
That Spirit is that original which the writers themselves boasted in.
To follow the writings is to follow the writers and you risk error where the writer were limited in their explanation if ever they even tried to explain.
It obvious they sometimes wrote parables and not plainly.
Remove those books from society and your religion will quickly disappear. You'll have nothing on which to base your beliefs.
Truth in scripture is kinda like an onion..
Ya peal back a layer and think that we have found the truth.
ya think that all that is needed is to keep pealing back all of the layers to find basic truth but in fact this is folly.
The truth that we are looking for was in the first layer.
I think that I see your point a little better today.
Not sure how much I agree but I do a little more today than yesterday??
When we spend our time and energy studying those messages that were given to a people thousands of years ago, will we hear his messages we should be hearing today?
Or something like that.
However I believe that prophesy was given to be passed down through the generations, that we know that we have not been forsaken when these things happen.
They also help to identify the players.
I hear/read what you're saying but the way you said it leaves me a little confuffled
Which scriptures are you talking about? When the Catholics decided to put the scriptures dealing with Jesus together and form their version of the new testament they played politics. Scriptures that did not agree with them were either rejected then banned or altered so they were more agreeable. New scriptures were created to fill in some gaps and also to support the kind of Church they were putting together. When the reformation came about and the Catholic/Protestant split the issue of how the scriptures came about was never raised. Martin Luther and many others simply took the scriptures in the New testament to be the word of god and that was that. Going back to the original Greek or Latin in order to translate accurately into modern languages so that more people could read the bible was the initial goal.
Yes, there are perhaps too many interpretations out there sometimes arising from difficulties in translation and sometimes the politics of the day when it comes to translating.
I am realy referencing the INTERPRETATIONS of the Old Testament prophesy that was too widely accepted to leave out.
Interpretations of the OT were necessary to agree with the intended format of the NT which they wanted to guide in the direction that they wanted it to go.
wow. for such utter human-kind, i have seen more polite and respectful rugby matches than the 'dog pile' (two sides of the literal) in this thread.
always hammering, bashing, destroy, kill, maim! garrr; Right fellas? Because otherwise you cannot justify your own anger, self-indignation, burning conscious.
such a sweet, peaceful group of logistics you are, forcefully and with request, condemn what you do not understand, nor care to. only your conjecture is relevant to yourself, yes.
why don't you get a digital-rope or digital cross and hang the man on it, maybe then you would be at peace, eh. Wanks, the whole lot of you.
farmer said to the city slicker...see that little spot on top of that chicken sh!te, its still chicken sh!te. Now go play with them other crackers.
They don't have the courage to do anything but offend those who believe.
the irony, rocksolid, is that boldly, without hesitation or flinching, they crow loudly as well as aggressively, how they do not- under any circumstances believe a shred of it.
reminds me of drug addicts with empty crack pipes, looking for any fix to take the pain away...
Jerami they'll keep up they're assault untill you either say something they can get you banned for or you just go away. You've got it right their the ones missing out.
If they can get me to be stupid and sink to a lower level of communication;??? then they can do what they can do.
So an omniscient god made satan and man, then blames them for the worlds ills?
Now that is nonsense!
what god would that be, Earnest.
The one you don't believe in or the one in your garden?
Who is blameing? And that word Fault... Don't exist unless you'r talking about something that shakes before an earth quake.
I don't know but seems like Satan is to man something like fire is to iron ore. Iron ore gotta go through the fire before it can be a stainless steel sword or any thing else for that matter.
It's kinda hard to keep up with what mood Cagsil is in.
the other day he was agreeing with what Jesus said if ya take religion out of it, and now that isn't any good either?
at least he/she tries. the rest are just antagonists.
I get what Cags means by taking Y`shua out of religion.
Because being an OT student, the letter just well, kills.
Well; I agree. if we could take religion out of what Jesus said this would be a good thing.
The Old Testament points to the New Testament. Jesus was also in the Garden of Eden. He was, is, and always will be.
And, I can see you fail try? That's a real shame and I thought you wanted to learn. I guess you're not open-minded after all.
Remember, remove Jesus' work from religion. Get it's true meaning.
The manny manny diffrent Interpretations of ONE single truth gives arguement to an atheist beliefs.
This is part of the subject matter of the origional post.
If Satan can get the practice of personal interpretating of scripture started.?.?.? Before long understanding will be so scrambled up that no one would believe the truth.
I would suggest to pray about what you are reading and the truth will be manifested to you.
Praying will take away their play time in these forums.
being in these forums is a type of prayer.
It might help if you understood religion a little better.
And, you claim the bible doesn't change? Yet, the new testament hasn't been around that long? Hmmm....I wonder how this came about?
Exactly, religion perpetuating it's hoax on society.
The bible has changed and is changing. Pick up an old copy of the King James Bible and then pick up the latest you beaut version. You will find changes.
I know you guys aren't talking directly about satan, more so science, his influence, and religion...blah blah..but...as for Satan...he is much cooler than god.
In any book, including the bible, Paradise Lost, Dante's Inferno...he has so much more appeal than god. The world would be boring without him and corruption...which I believe is brought about by us anyhoo as he doesn't exist.
Rock on satan...rock on.
Sneakorocksolid...Oh, really? She has been dead for 6 years as of this month. I'm pretty sure the leukemia did her brain in.
Now, if she does rise from the dead, than maybe I'll believe in all this hogwash about God and Satan and morale.
Even more exciting, Zombies.
Listen, you know that cagsil, earnest, mark knowles, and q are like dope pushers don't you? They try to get in your way, push "dope" and tell you that they have the answer and try to undermine your purpose. Why do you think they're so attracted to religious forums? If they were just normal atheists and agnostics, they wouldn't bother coming to these forum but they do. Just try to have the discussion and don't let them hijack your thread.
I have to get off the computer for a little while but will check back in, in a little bit.
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