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See what he has done ??

  1. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Almost 2000 years ago there was a truth brought forth by a great man (Son Of GOD).
       The father of deceit (Satan) began using this truth for his selfish purposes.  Only a few interpretations were necessary for his plan to work.
      Over time these interpretations seemed to take a life of their own. These interpretations matured and mated; reproducing many offspring. Almost 2000 years later the earth is covered with interpretations of the original truth.
        Now the father of the lie points to "The Faith" and accuses it of falsehoods.

        As my grandfather would ask;........
      "You are goina Sh-t on me and then kick me cause I stink ??? "
                  "I don't think so"
        The truth is still here, written in scriptures.
    We just gotta dig past the interpretations to get to it and hold on tight to it. 
         
         I'm just thinking out loud again.
    Could there be any truth in this  ???

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No. The very idea is laughable. Sorry. Utter nonsense and the basis for religion.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed smile

        1. Jerami profile image76
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

             Do I see someone pointing at me saying that I stink???

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It's funny how you decided to point a finger, when I was the second person to say something.

            Did I say anything about you whatsoever? I simply agreed with what Mark Knowles said. Don't think you're special, because you are not.

            Your pathetic interpretation of religion and it's false or phoney writings is a joke.

            You bring up scriptures, when you haven't first realized that religion's pathetic storyline of a mythic or mystical "GOD" is FAKE to begin with.

            If you understood Jesus' work, like you supposedly claim to, then you would KNOW religion is false. But, since you cannot seem to take your own ego and check, like the rest of the religious people on the damn planet......your ignorance offends any common-sensible person.

            1. Jerami profile image76
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                 I apologise.  I thought that I responded to both of your comments. I didn't meen to single anyone out.  Sorry

            2. h.a.borcich profile image59
              h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I have read that you believe you have THE answer for religion, God, Jesus, society, humanity, blah,blah, blah, but your delivery stinks. Put people down on another thread for using the same words and sneers you use quite often.

              If you slowed down and got the ego in check - you might see it.

              Your ignorance is most offensive, and I even like you as a person. I would hate to view you as a hypocrite. Holly

            3. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Got Proof?

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You want proof. Test the doctrines. Be honest with yourself when you do? Don't take my word, I'm not trying to tell anyone to take my word on it.

                My self-realization of no god is simple, by the test of doctrines religion perpetuates forth. When you throw away religion as a hoax- it's pathetic GOD concept goes with it.

                Religion is a hoax, that means the "GOD" concept is too.

                Yes, people were praying to some sort of GOD before religion came about. However, it's still religion and/or religious, mystic. smile

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Is that a no?

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I told what to do get your proof. Don't try turning it around. My proof isn't for you, it's to guide you toward answering that question. Again, you want proof, do as I told you. You don't want to answer the question, then don't. It's your choice. smile

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      SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is a lot of truth to this. Satan decieved Eve in the beginning and has been doing so ever since. Jesus said that Satan is the father of lies and the truth is not in him.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hey SirDent, the LIES even contains truth in it. What truth is revealed is what is needed to be determined. smile

        Truth is in everything. It is for us(as people) to find it.

        A lie, always bares out truth, because truth always finds it way out.

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          SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          When I used to drink, I always drank whiskey and I liked to drink it straight up. I didn't want it mixed with anything. I only wanted the pure stuff.

          The same can be said about your statement. Once truth is diluted with lies, it isn't pure anymore and therefore, of no effect.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Great analogy. You think you could drink un-watered whiskey? wink

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol big_smile

              1. Jerami profile image76
                Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Watered down whiskey is better than watered down truth.

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                  SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Costs more to get the effects.

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                SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                When a person drinks watered down whiskey, it casts more to get the diesired effect. You can laugh if you want, I don't mind.

                When a person eats the truth mixed with lies, it will likewise cost more in the long run. How much are you willing to pay?

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Considering that our reality is all we have to offer and demonstrate, we can only honestly state that this is our truth. Hence, it is religion that waters down this truth.

                  Feel free to show otherwise.

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                    SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Can your truth be the same for other? A rapist for instance believe that it is his right to rape and therefore it is his truth.

                    It takes more watered down whiskey to get a person drunk than if he drank straight whiskey. That is common sense.

      2. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And he has not been on holiday for the past 2000 years.
        He has been working fervently improving upon his interpretations so that we will be eager to accept them.

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Then, he erred and has to fix it? Why is taking so long to fix his errors? Isn't he a god? Can't he just snap his fingers or wave his hand and it's all good?

          Funny how omnipotence takes a back seat to confusion.

          1. Jerami profile image76
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

               I was talking about the father of lies has been improving his interpretations. God is watching, giving him and the beast allotted time to see how many people are going to believe his lies.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Without a shred of evidence of your claim, you are merely offering magical speculation, smoke and mirrors.

        2. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So - you are not really asking for opinions are you?

          Like all the other religionists - you pretend to ask questions so you can tell us the utter nonsense you have already decided is true.

          Why is that? I mean - I know your religion encourages lying, but do you not see that it is this sort of behavior that causes all the conflict and persuades every one it is nonsense. Almost like you are doing Satan's bidding. wink

          1. Jerami profile image76
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Can you explain to me how the way that I have presented my thoughts are any diffrent than the way you or Caigs present yourself??????????

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Why even bother asking for responses? You are now arguing in favor. Even though you claim not to try and persuade anyone or argue.

              You see me saying "So - evolution. What do you think? Is it really a lie?" And then arguing with people when they say yes.

              1. Jerami profile image76
                Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes I ask a simple question expecting a better responce than someone saying...  "thats rediculious". I thought that I might receive a thoughtful responce.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  So - you ask a "yes" or "no" question, and then start arguing when you get an answer..... wink

                  1. Jerami profile image76
                    Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                       I didn't realize that I sounded like I was argueing.
                    I apologize for my tone of voice.

    3. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I suppose that's a very sensible explanation, if you believe there is a truth hidden in there.
      I don't believe ,so I can't see it. All I see is Myth.

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

             And that was the intended outcome of the plan that was begun over 1600 years ago.

    4. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         Now that the first wave has passed...
         Does anyone else have any thoughts. for? and against?
      Hopefully not a yes or no answer.
      But those are also ok

    5. Flightkeeper profile image78
      Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jerami, I don't know that you can have everyone agree to only one version of Christianity.  I think each person is touched according to how that person is.  Could it be that Satan can reach people by deception, yeah, but it's still up to that person to realize it.  It would be very hard to protect everyone, so you have to have faith.

    6. kess profile image60
      kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      One can only know the original by going to the original.

      How long are we going to compare copy with copies?

      That would have been ok if there was no original but the truth is the Original is where it has always been.

      My friend leave the books alone and walk in the Spirit.

      That Spirit is that original which the writers themselves boasted in.

      To follow the writings is to follow the writers and you risk error where the writer were limited in their explanation if ever they even tried to explain.

      It obvious they sometimes wrote parables and not  plainly.

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        (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Remove those books from society and your religion will quickly disappear. You'll have nothing on which to base your beliefs.

      2. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

             Truth in scripture is kinda like an onion..
        Ya peal back a layer and think that we have found the truth.
        ya think that all that is needed is to keep pealing back all of the layers to find basic truth but in fact this is folly.
          The truth that we are looking for was in the first layer.

          I think that I see your point a little better today.
        Not sure how much I agree but I do a little more today than yesterday??
          When we spend our time and energy studying those messages that were given to a people thousands of years ago, will we hear his messages we should be hearing today?
           Or something like that.
           However I believe that prophesy was given to be passed down through the generations, that we know that we have not been forsaken when these things happen.
            They also help to identify the players.

  2. Sa Toya profile image86
    Sa Toyaposted 7 years ago

    I hear/read what you're saying but the way you said it leaves me a little confuffled

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         Do you have a question?   I would like to explain if I can.

  3. Rod Marsden profile image79
    Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago

    Which scriptures are you talking about? When the Catholics decided to put the scriptures dealing with Jesus together and form their version of the new testament they played politics. Scriptures that did not agree with them were either rejected then banned or altered so they were more agreeable. New scriptures were created to fill in some gaps and also to support the kind of Church they were putting together. When the reformation came about and the Catholic/Protestant split the issue of how the scriptures came about was never raised. Martin Luther and many others simply took the scriptures in the New testament to be the word of god and that was that. Going back to the original Greek or Latin in order to translate accurately into modern languages so that more people could read the bible was the initial goal.

    Yes, there are perhaps too many interpretations out there sometimes arising from difficulties in translation and sometimes the politics of the day when it comes to translating.

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         I am realy referencing the INTERPRETATIONS of the Old Testament prophesy that was too widely accepted to leave out.
      Interpretations of the OT were necessary to agree with the intended format of the NT which they wanted to guide in the direction that they wanted it to go.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago

    wow. for such utter human-kind, i have seen more polite and respectful rugby matches than the 'dog pile' (two sides of the literal) in this thread.

    always hammering, bashing, destroy, kill, maim! garrr; Right fellas? Because otherwise you cannot justify your own anger, self-indignation, burning conscious.
    such a sweet, peaceful group of logistics you are, forcefully and with request, condemn what you do not understand, nor care to. only your conjecture is relevant to yourself, yes.

    why don't you get a digital-rope or digital cross and hang the man on it, maybe then you would be at peace, eh. Wanks, the whole lot of you.

    farmer said to the city slicker...see that little spot on top of that chicken sh!te, its still chicken sh!te. Now go play with them other crackers.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They don't have the courage to do anything but offend those who believe.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The best defense is a strawman?

        1. Jerami profile image76
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

             And if we can not be offended??

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            sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Then our heart and heads are in the right place.smile

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        Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        the irony, rocksolid, is that boldly, without hesitation or flinching, they crow loudly as well as aggressively, how they do not- under any circumstances believe a shred of it.

        reminds me of drug addicts with empty crack pipes, looking for any fix to take the pain away...

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's very sad.sad

          1. Jerami profile image76
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Very well said  and sad

               on the bright side it is treat nite.  goina go start a fire and cook some meat.   Will be back in a bit.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    Jerami they'll keep up they're assault untill you either say something they can get you banned for or you just go away. You've got it right their the ones missing out.smile

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         If they can get me to be stupid and sink to a lower level of communication;???  then they can do what they can do.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I know you and the other Christians on the Hubs know they are being decieved by the advisary.

  6. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    So an omniscient god made satan and man, then blames them for the worlds ills?
    Now that is nonsense! smile

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't forget It's a sadist kind of God.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        (hmmm, that could be me...hehe)

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      Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      what god would that be, Earnest.
      The one you don't believe in or the one in your garden?

      just wondering

    3. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         Who is blameing?  And that word Fault...  Don't exist unless you'r talking about something that shakes before an earth quake.
        I don't know but seems like Satan is to man something like fire is to iron ore. Iron ore gotta go through the fire before it can be a stainless steel sword or any thing else for that matter.

  7. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    It's kinda hard to keep up with what mood Cagsil is in.
    the other day he was agreeing with what Jesus said if ya take religion out of it, and now that isn't any good either?

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    Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago

    at least he/she tries. the rest are just antagonists.
    I get what Cags means by taking Y`shua out of religion.
    Because being an OT student, the letter just well, kills.

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         Well; I agree. if we could take religion out of what Jesus said this would be a good thing.

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      SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Old Testament points to the New Testament. Jesus was also in the Garden of Eden. He was, is, and always will be.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And, I can see you fail try? That's a real shame and I thought you wanted to learn. I guess you're not open-minded after all.

        Remember, remove Jesus' work from religion. Get it's true meaning. smile

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          SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It is easy to learn when someone posts something worth giving time to. When nothing is posted but insults, crap and general garbage, nothing is  really learned. Of course you are welcome to eat the garbage and find what you want from it.

  9. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    The manny manny diffrent Interpretations of ONE single truth gives arguement to an atheist beliefs.

      This is part of the subject matter of the origional post.
    If Satan can get the practice of personal interpretating of scripture started.?.?.?  Before long understanding will be so scrambled up that no one would believe the truth.

    1. Onusonus profile image87
      Onusonusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I would suggest to pray about what you are reading and the truth will be manifested to you.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Praying will take away their play time in these forums.

        1. Onusonus profile image87
          Onusonusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well now that wouldn't be any fun!?

        2. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          being in these forums is a type of prayer.

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            SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol Maybe for atheists, but not for me.

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It is for me, and I'm not an atheist.

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It might help if you understood religion a little better. smile

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Why would I want to understand something better when you or I do not believe in?  And you do not know what I understand and I don't. You don't even know when I am agreeing with you and when I am not.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          roll

  10. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    And, you claim the bible doesn't change? Yet, the new testament hasn't been around that long? Hmmm....I wonder how this came about?

    Exactly, religion perpetuating it's hoax on society. wink

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The bible has changed and is changing. Pick up an old copy of the King James Bible and then pick up the latest you beaut version. You will find changes.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        God never changes. He is the same today as he was millions and billions of years ago. He will be the same billions of years from now.

  11. torimari profile image80
    torimariposted 7 years ago

    I know you guys aren't talking directly about satan, more so science, his influence, and religion...blah blah..but...as for Satan...he is much cooler than god.
    In any book, including the bible, Paradise Lost, Dante's Inferno...he has so much more appeal than god. The world would be boring without him and corruption...which I believe is brought about by us anyhoo as he doesn't exist.

    Rock on satan...rock on.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Torimari your Moms calling you.smile

      1. torimari profile image80
        torimariposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sneakorocksolid...Oh, really? She has been dead for 6 years as of this month. I'm pretty sure the leukemia did her brain in.

        Now, if she does rise from the dead, than maybe I'll believe in all this hogwash about God and Satan and morale. yikes

        Even more exciting, Zombies.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I apologize for speaking out of turn, forgive me.smile

  12. torimari profile image80
    torimariposted 7 years ago

    It's all good.

  13. Flightkeeper profile image78
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    Listen, you know that cagsil, earnest, mark knowles, and q are like dope pushers don't you?  They try to get in your way, push "dope" and tell you that they have the answer and try to undermine your purpose. Why do you think they're so attracted to religious forums? If they were just normal atheists and agnostics, they wouldn't bother coming to these forum but they do. Just try to have the discussion and don't let them hijack your thread.

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    SirDentposted 7 years ago

    Last post of the night here for me. Good night everyone. smile

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good night SirDent. smile

  15. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I have to get off the computer for a little while but will check back in, in a little bit.

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