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You were designed.

  1. Disappearinghead profile image90
    Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago

    When we consider the workings of the human body: the immune system, the continual automatic regulation of its systems, the subconcious workings of the brain, the workings of a cell; does it not seem strange that the body is more intelligent than the person living inside? If there is no God, explain this one.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You just explained it yourself! lol

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        StormRyderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I concer...self explanatory smile

    2. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      True a very intelligent designer is involved, way beyond the human mind.

      1. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ehh so people are going to merge with this designer with help of spirituality and they want to understand him with help of religion ? Keyword was "beyond human mind" right ? We all enjoy play of semantics when we have no answer.

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          To create and design this universe is beyond the human mind abilities.

          1. skyfire profile image73
            skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Playing again with words eh ? There is no "who" behind creation of universe.

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
              Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Got Proof?

              1. skyfire profile image73
                skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                For starters try inflation theory, abiogenesis.

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  'Theories' are by definition, NOT PROOF.

                  1. skyfire profile image73
                    skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    To clear things to you, Both these have proofs in case you've no idea about them. Just cause it is called "inflation theory" doesn't mean it have no proofs. I guess we'll have better discussion if you show me which proof in inflation theory makes you deny it.

              2. Mark Knowles profile image62
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Have you? - Oh that is right - you get to make up anything you like and say it is not possible to disprove it therefore it is written in stone. lol I see Jesus favors inflicting other people with second hand cigarette smoke - I did not know that one.

                Can you tell us what else Jesus thinks, which must be true because no one knows what Jesus said therefore it cannot be disproven.

                It is clear the Star Goat vomited us and until such times as you can disprove that - this should be the default theory.

                Any time.......

                I like this new way of doing things. Much easier than justifying anything I say with logic or evidence.......

                The Star Goat did it - please disprove it. lol

                Deary me....

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Remember your ruck sack anology?

                  The burden of proof lies with the one that is trying to convert the other.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image62
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh - I am not trying to convince you that the Star Goat is real. You cannot disprove it, therefore it is. Thank you. I really like this way of teaching  people stuff. Much easier than having a rational conversation.

                    So - now we agree that the Star Goat vomited us up - this makes anything you say that is contradictory to that an attempt to convert me and will require some proof. wink

                    Dear me.

                  2. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this
            2. Disappearinghead profile image90
              Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I baked a cake once. At least I think I did. No wait a minute, it self evolved out of its own base ingredients; acquired its own intelligence; then I disappeared in a puff of logic.

              1. skyfire profile image73
                skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Nice, any better way to put things up if you don't know inch of science ?

                1. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Some of the greatest of scientists like Albert Einstein understood their limitations and believed in an intelligent creator.

                  1. I am DB Cooper profile image67
                    I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
                    - Albert Einstein

              2. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                One cake can't evolve, it takes generations of cakes with very small changes in each cake thereafter. You could start out with an angel food cake and millions of years later end up with a devil cake. smile

                1. aware profile image70
                  awareposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  cake evolves  from flour

                2. Disappearinghead profile image90
                  Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I've seen a few fruit cakes on here.

            3. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Its the truth not playing with words or you,any intelligent design requires an intelligent creator.

              What has the capacity to make a planet spin with such precision for so long?
              Not man.

    3. skyfire profile image73
      skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      molecular biology class ? wink

    4. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The human body only shows,(in the case you believe in a god) that this 'creation' is full of flaws.
      And Why ?
      Because Man, through science have found the means to improve it.

    5. Mamelody profile image60
      Mamelodyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm an intelligent person.. I was just given a hot body thats too much for me to handle sometimes wink tongue

      1. alexandriaruthk profile image50
        alexandriaruthkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        intelligence and a hot body wow

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      cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      if a divine, hugely powerful being created the Universe and billions of stars and galaxies, it seems to me any human being it created would be perfect and not prone to so many diseases. they would be like Superman. just look at what imperfect humans can create with their limited brain usage and technologies.

      p.s. it is only through the advances of modern medicine that Man has prolonged his lifespan. imagine what we could do if we were gods.

      1. Valerie F profile image61
        Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And it is through "advances" in economics and political science that we've kept the benefits of modern medicine away from most of the people who need it most.

        Don't blame God. Christianity, like atheism, leaves all responsibility for the ills of the world at the feet of ourselves.

      2. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Chaos theory- there is order in what seems to be chaos-science.

    7. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Does it need to be explained? No. It shouldn't make any difference.

      Nothing to explain.

    8. Tom Cornett profile image58
      Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Computerized machines can be hooked up to the body to keep it alive during surgery.  Mankind invented those machines.

      If God made man in his own image then what you see in the mirror must look like God.  You can see a physical image. Why would God design you if he already was the blueprint?

      Break it down to cells, molecules or atoms. Does God look like an atom?  It can be theoretically infinitely divided or multiplied.

      Trying to prove God in the physical world is like wearing a clown costume to a funeral.

      Trying to prove God in the spiritual realm is the same because it is invisible...you simply cannot prove it.

      Then...possibly...evolution designs living things and possibly...life force (light,water,etc) is the sustenance of those living things.

      Perhaps God is the spirit of past, present and future...drawing all living creatures to the perfection of infinite evolution?

      If only..... religion would evolve at the same pace.  smile

      1. TamCor profile image79
        TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree...

    9. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You still haven't explained why there "is" a God!

    10. qwark profile image62
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Disappearing:
      I agree!
      I was designed!
      "Serendipity" was my designer and creator!
      Until that can be disproved, I stand by my belief.
      I am open for proofs any "infantile" human creature can provide.
      Pls don't ask me to hold-my-breath until that happens. OK?
      Thanks....:-)

  2. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Apparently not anymore Mohit. Keeping up with science are we? We are well into fixing up quite a few mess-ups in the human body, and controlling some other of "god's" makings that are not up to scratch!
    What has to be considered here is that modern science allows us not only to see and understand the structure of the human body, but to alter it, repair it and even prolong life.
    This all came from science, and no gods were involved before or now in that understanding. smile

    In biblical days you would maybe be wrapped in cow poo and have a wand waved over your head! Medicine was a bit like prayer in those days. smile

    1. Disappearinghead profile image90
      Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Knowledge is not a measure of intelligence. we may begin to understand how the body works, but could never have thought it up in the first place.

      1. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed science uncovers laws which already exist, they dont make or create them.

    2. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Science does have a good grasp of the human body and functions but what had the intelligence to create all this millions or billions of years ago.

      Now science is building huge particle accelerators to find the building blocks of this universe the god particle, science still doesnt understand creation properly.

      1. Disappearinghead profile image90
        Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Science can't answer the question as to why, or what purpose.

        1. skyfire profile image73
          skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          God of gaps argument, Nice. Shows more of ignorance than ability to inquire things.

          1. mohitmisra profile image61
            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Science still doesn't understand our source.

      2. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No science does not understand fully, but we have discovered an enzyme that causes aging to commence, and a 17 year old girl with a biological age of three seems to have blown the god theory away as well. Science will have an understanding of what life "is" very soon, and it will not be caused by a psychotic sky fairy! that has a thousand opposing worshipping groups all certain the others beliefs are wrong! lol

        Who has the right fairy?
        Crazy! lol

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Discovered is correct mans doing, created is not mans doing.

    3. megs78 profile image59
      megs78posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      My, my Earnest, you sure are bitter when it comes to anything religious or godly eh?  Why is that?  I understand skepticism,  but you just seem mad all the time.  are you? wink

      anyways, I think we give ourselves way too much credit.  Yes, science has brought us a long way, but that scientific genius originated somewhere and that was in the intelligence of humanity.  so where did that intelligence come from?  There are no easy answers here.  There are too many unexplainable things in this world to go with just one kind of logic.  Science cannot explain miraculous feats of strength and courage in devastating events.  and most doctors will say time and again that childbirth is in fact a miracle. 

      There is more to us than just science.

      1. quicksand profile image85
        quicksandposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        A lot more indeed! smile

    4. Valerie F profile image61
      Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God may have been involved in setting an example for human physicians to follow. Your "psychotic sky fairy" incarnate made a big point of healing the sick.

      And I really do have such little faith in humanity that we'd be so motivated to do likewise if we didn't have a Jesus saying "follow me."

  3. Mark Knowles profile image62
    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago

    Oh - the old, "I don't understand how the human body works, therefore there must be an invisible super being in the sky," argument.

    Dear me.........

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's the one...

      1. cally2 profile image61
        cally2posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I couldn't possibly admit that I don't know something so obviously there must be a (or several) god(s). I think thats how it goes

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          An intelligent creator, definitely.

    2. quicksand profile image85
      quicksandposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you select a location?  Especially the sky?

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Because that's where any believer locates God
        That shows how childish a belief can be!
        Like Heaven or Hell
        lol

        1. Valerie F profile image61
          Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not true. That just goes to show how childish your understanding of believers is.

      2. Mark Knowles profile image62
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Because that is where ignorant savages in the bronze ages assumed the invisible sky fairy lived. And the ignorant savages of today seem perfectly happy with this explanation, so I was trying to blend in.

        Myself? - this is not an acceptable explanation for anything and hasn't been since I began thinking for myself. I was never satisfied with the "well, there are some things we do not understand and this is where god comes in," rubbish that most religionists seem happy with.

        Talk about an easy answer. "God did it." lol

        1. Disappearinghead profile image90
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Perhaps you don't like the "God filling in the gaps". But where is your insight? Where is your wisdom? Where have you provided any answers to the mysteries of life? I'd love yo know.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image62
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Neither have you sweetie pie. Insight? lol Wisdom? lol

            God dunnit... lol

            You will have to be a tad more specific though - seeing as "mysteries of life," is a little vague and we all know the answer is forty two. wink

            Buy seriously - no - I do not like your easy answer. It is not acceptable and I would rather say "I don't know," than swallow the nonsense you are offering as insight and wisdom. This appears to offend you in some way. Why is that?

        2. quicksand profile image85
          quicksandposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The "savages" of the bronze ages first worshiped the sun and that probably paved the way for future generations to refer to and select the same location when the need to give GOD an address arose. smile

          However, today's "savages" (which includes me) are very much different!  lol lol lol

          1. Mark Knowles profile image62
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            God is the sun.....Worship the sun god......son of god....rises after dying.....comes to bring light to the darkness......bringing salvation.........

            By Jove! I think we are on to something! lol lol

            1. quicksand profile image85
              quicksandposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              By Jupiter! ... and by Belenos! We are! lol

    3. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well, if there's a God, he didn't do a good work!
      The human body only shows, that this 'creation' is full of flaws.
      And Why ?
      Because Man, through science have found the means to improve it.

      So what kind of god is this ?
      I wonder

      1. brotheryochanan profile image59
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        the human body didn't have to be perfect just adequate to live for x amount of years on earth is all. It was never intended by God that man live forever and in perfect health in a fallen state or what i call the animal man. And umans just needed to be complex enough to know knowledge, wisdom and understanding both in Gods realm and animal mans realm. Of course: all things in their proper time which is what animal man calls evolution. If the egyptians had have been given the atomic bomb, would there still be an earth? Only god knows and i believe He reveals medical breakthroughs when he desires, because to God, life only begins here, this is not all there is. So while animal man blames god and speaks badly of God (who holds the keys to eternal life) animal man will have to live his days and then die, without hope of eternal life or even having some of his most vital and important questions answered.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So, your god creates diseases and ailments like cancer, let's millions die of it and then decides to tell us how to get rid of it.

          Exquisite. What a guy!

    4. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ^^ This

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    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    http://www.exoinfo.net/chat/gepeto.jpg
    An intelligent designer at work.

    1. Disappearinghead profile image90
      Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's funny.

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Which one...Geppetto? or Walt Disney?...or Carlo Collodi



      wink

  5. kirstenblog profile image76
    kirstenblogposted 6 years ago

    If I was designed then baby I am designer! lol


    *looking for the designer label*

  6. alexandriaruthk profile image50
    alexandriaruthkposted 6 years ago

    we started as a zygote then we proceed to become humans we are designed to survive in this world, we have brains, the capacity to think and process ideas -- inventions etc for our own needs and to survive

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    china manposted 6 years ago

    Maybe god was the lump of matter all alone in the universe who decided to explode and changed his name to big-bang and thus became just a theory.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol...

      Truly I believe that God (what ever that is) is the first thing that was not nothing...

      In the begining there was absolutely nothing, then at some point there was something that was not nothing, since this something was the only thing that was not nothing it was also everything. That for me is God. I also believe that this 'something' created itself and all that followed.

    2. skyfire profile image73
      skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lol, you've no idea about big-bang. Big bang refers to explosion of universe, not explosion inside universe.

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        not no idea - no care about semantics when trying to crack a joke into the pointless proving and counter proving of an unproveable idea

        1. skyfire profile image73
          skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          By the way, big-bang unprovable idea ? Where you get this from ?

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            china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It is still a theory - and like many 'pretty sure to certain' theories before it, like sailing of the end of the world theory, it will get disproved altered and adjusted.  This does not mean that I do not have 'faith' in it by the way -

            1. skyfire profile image73
              skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Faith ? Science doesn't work on faith, it is verification and falsification which even you know and that's why you posted about adjustment/alteration. And big-bang has lot of evidence on many grounds but it is inconsistent in many aspects of it and can't be explained and hence inflation seems to be picking up where big-bang is left of.

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                china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Is my point - the theory is still just that, you can't say it is proved and then say it is being adjusted. And proved is only a consensus of opinion - so - for my personal situation in the 'don't really care much but interested' camp - my belief that something like this is about right is   faith

                BTW you are going at this flat out at an awe inspiring rate big_smile I have written this slowly so you have a chance to catch your breath big_smile big_smile

                1. skyfire profile image73
                  skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You still don't get it. First you assumed big-bang is process inside universe then you made sweeping statement that it is pure theory without pointing to any specific area of big-bang which is still theory and not yet proved. And then you persist on saying that entire concept as only theory, is where you're wrong.

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Anyway - the bang would have been inside the universe by definition as soon as it started

        1. skyfire profile image73
          skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          This is the reason i said you've no idea about big-bang. Big-bang refers to singularity there is no way it is inside universe.

          1. mohitmisra profile image61
            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Science admits its limitations, it look at things from the Big bang theory but have no idea and do not know what was before that.


            http://boingboing.net/2007/11/11/what-c … e-the.html

            The Big Bang theory of the origin of our universe is widely accepted by the physics community. The idea that our universe started out as some infinitesimally small point, which expanded out to what we see today, makes a lot of sense. Except for one small thing. That initial point, called a singularity by physicists, is a physical impossibility. According to the models we have today, the temperature of the universe at that first moment would have had to be infinite, which mathematically makes no sense. Also, the singularity doesn't do a good job of explaining where all the matter and energy we see today in the universe came from. So, physicists are increasingly starting to look at other branches of physics to see what they can do to replace the singularity with a more reasonable proposition, one which can actually be explained by existing science.

            Science does not know for sure.

  8. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    In my opinion is Death

  9. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    lol

  10. Daniel Carter profile image90
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    I don't *know* if I was designed or not. Simply not enough empirical evidence one way or another. But I *sense* as shallow and unintelligent as that sounds, that I didn't just happen over the course of a long string of evolutions. I think there is a power in the universe that's pretty incredible. Seeing all those photos from the Hubble Telescope is pretty amazing. The universe is alive and in motion. It collides and explodes and reforms all kinds of things, over and over. I don't know if a god or gods do all that. I just know that I'm somehow a part of it, because I live in it.

    What I don't understand, honestly, is why those who don't believe in intelligent design think that their lives are worth living. If this life is all there is, and there is completely nothing after, then why live this life? You're not going to take a memory or experience with you once your dead. Unless you rise to the top of the heap, no one will remember you after a generation or less, and this life is filled with a life time of trauma, bad news and crap. So why is it worth it, I wonder?

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Life is what YOU make it. It doesn't come from a book.

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wow - no wonder you believe this c**p !!   I don't and my life is filled with love, wonder, discovery and the hottest girl in town !   If I lived your life of sin and misery (at the house of the rising sun !! ??) I would want to believe that he will come down with his mighty pooper scooper and whisk it all awy at the end !!    You think you will be remembered ?  I don't even remember you now and i ma writing back to you  big_smile big_smile

      1. Daniel Carter profile image90
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm living my life the way I see fit, and making of it what I want. I have no codependence on a person or "being." My question was an honest one. It's not to prove a point. Why is life worth living if you don't believe in intelligent design?

        The jury is out for me. I don't know that I was designed intelligently, but I don't discount it entirely. I know why *I* want to live, I just wonder why others who believe all this was by chance seem to have such a drive to live also. Two extremely diverse viewpoints, yet we have a common goal--to live.

        How come?

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          china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The common goal is for every living thing - it is the most simple basic ingredient of life. It is what drives evolution - the drive of every living thing to live, for us as thinking beings we dress this up as desire, love, etc but cellular level drive is where it comes from.
          All life looks at things the same way, whether intelligent or sentient,animal or vegetable -
          1. Can I eat it
          2. Can I mate with it
          AFTER this comes the detail from moving to find the food and mate, interaction with other things, testing magic mushrooms to see if they are edible and getting high as a kite and deciding that it is god.
          Then hiding this ridiculous certainty by pretending that there is a god somewhere else but you speak for it.  But inside you really think you are important enough that the universe is aware of you.

          1. Daniel Carter profile image90
            Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Interesting. I've spent a lot of time reading metaphysical texts, some eastern philosophies, etc., which is principally what you are saying. I can agree because I've read these things. As to whether I fully align myself with them, I don't know. I don't have enough information yet. This journey is rather new to me. I took 50 years of brainwashing and indoctrination and pissed all over it. I'm rebuilding from the ground up, and so far, it's a good experience.

    3. Mark Knowles profile image62
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So - the only reason you feel life is worth living is because you are going to live forever? And this is what keeps you going? The "sense" that there MUST be something else.

      Therefore there must be a god.

      And there is not shortage of empirical evidence to prove that you evolved and were not designed. Pretty lousy design if you ask me though. wink

      1. Daniel Carter profile image90
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That wasn't my question, Mark.

        As I mentioned already, the jury is out for me as to whether or not there is intelligent design. People have a *sense* that there is something more. Thus we have these incredibly small particles in the universe that had to be proved, not just sensed. It took time to prove their existence, but it was proven. I have a sense, but I've been wrong before, so I don't put all my eggs in the basket of intelligent design. I'm still trying to gather more facts. So I don't necessarily believe in a sky fairy, as you call it. Nor do I completely discount the possibility of a power or something the permeates the universe, because there isn't enough evidence for me, one way or the other.

        Any additional banter or points you may make I will consider, as I usually always do. However, it's sometimes very difficult to wade through the wasteland of condescension to figure out what you say, sometimes. But I'll try. wink

        Why do you want to live, Mark? That was my question.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image62
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I want to live because I don't want to die. That is scary and I don't know what happens when you die.  big_smile

          Seriously - I am an animal and all animals want to live. That seems to be our purpose - to live and breed.

          But - if your jury is out on the sky fairy - as Earnest calls it. (I prefer "invisible super being,") and you are not putting your eggs in any basket - what is your reason.

          I "sense" that I am apart of something bigger. Any fool can see we are a part of something bigger. I cannot deny that. But a god? A purpose? Jesus saves? Live forever? No thanks. Not buying. big_smile

          1. Daniel Carter profile image90
            Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Then I think we share more common ground that I even realized.
            I don't even know why I don't want to die. I sure as hell tried, but got to the edge and somehow knew there was something else I may want to do. Dammit.

            I want to live because I was robbed of a lot of good things, and I'm determined to know what some of those things would be like. Sounds almost like vengeance, but hell, it works for me.

            The thing that pisses me off is that my life is what *I* make of it, which is also what others have said. Everytime I've trusted some other a**hole to take me to a wonderful place, it turned out to be shear stupidity on my part. So, it's up to me, and I'm not done. That's what I decided when I was 50 and I'm having a pretty good time, overall. I DON'T believe in sin. It's f****** bullsh**. The only person who's going to save my butt is me. Look in the mirror and get over it.

            So much for my religion....

            1. megs78 profile image59
              megs78posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What I don't understand about what you're saying is how you don't believe in sin.  What is sin to you?  what else should we call it?  wrong-doing?  sin is all around us but it doesn't mean that we are horrible people.  you know right from wrong.  you feel it in your soul.  tell me that you don't.  where does that feeling come from?  why do we have that?

              1. Daniel Carter profile image90
                Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Sin is anything that God doesn't want you or I to do.
                However, the way I look at it is that once you remove God from the picture, there is no such thing as sin. It's a matter of *anything* that brings harm to you or anyone else, is a negative. It means you need to make a course correction, not grovel to a god for forgiveness. The course correction may include asking for forgiveness of another person, and may include forgiving yourself.

                But I don't believe in sin. If there is a God, I'm not an offense to him.

                1. megs78 profile image59
                  megs78posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Daniel, I am just curious.  What do you believe?  You seem to be kind of waffling between wanting to believe and hating that you want to believe.

                  Why is it such a mystery to you?

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                    china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No megs78 - I like your hat by the way - he has finally got to the real issue behind it all and got it right. see above to save me writing it again ?smile

                  2. Daniel Carter profile image90
                    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    This is a new journey to me. I threw out the old and am embarking on something completely new. I have strong opinions about everything. However, when it comes to this stuff, I don't jump on bandwagons, I don't trust one person's views and I need to know for myself. I have a sense of things, but I don't know for sure. I'm okay with not having answers to a lot of things. I'm at peace, now about many things that used to trouble me. I'm just curious, and so it's a journey about curiosity.

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                  china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  NOW I can agree with that - this is moving from morals that were rules and guides for living in other and ancient times - to ethical behaviour decided through reason and logical argument.   NOT ONLY THAT I can agree that the result of this difference is that instead of blaming a god we are faced with being responsible for our own actions.

                  An example of which is along the divide of opinion about the war on Iraq - morals (christian morals) make it kinda ok enough to fool the gullible of its necessity so that someone could make s**tloads of dosh.
                  Ethics does not make it ok at all  - and in the process of working out the argument it can see where tomorrow's terrorists are going to come from.

                  1. Disappearinghead profile image90
                    Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hey China man, please don't suggest that the loopy American Right with their version of morals that allows them to invade a soverign and largely harmless country in order to steal their oil has anything to do with Christian morals.

            2. Mark Knowles profile image62
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The will to live is strong. Of course we share a lot. We are the same species. It is all the other crap about god and national pride and politics that gets in between everyone. wink

              1. Daniel Carter profile image90
                Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hallelujah! Amen and amen.
                lol

  11. Rod Marsden profile image85
    Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago

    Try evolution. Creationism is bunk.

    1. Valerie F profile image61
      Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Evolution does not preclude the existence of a designer.

      Sometimes I think creation is flawed because we're all works in progress, and sometimes I think it's flawed because we choose to stray from the original design.

      1. Rod Marsden profile image85
        Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Whether their is a creator or not creationist ideas and theories that don't take into account the presence of evolution is rubbish. A work in progress sound like evolution to me. We have evolved and we continue to evolve. If we stuck to the original design we would still be one celled creatures swimming in primordial ooze. Mind you we might be happier that way not knowing much or caring about much but that original design is no longer relevant to who we are today and our present needs. If God had a plan then it involved change, lots and lots of change.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    theories are man's escape from accountability.
    no 'god' no accountability to any but self.
    which denies human natural logic and method.
    human auto-responder is to seek out anther human, help them learn, grow, what have you. Which contradicts the 'self' proclamation and many other superficial scientific expressions.

    Good thing 'science' has 'uncovered' such limited depths of the human body alone. A single cell is more ingenious than ALL human study, knowledge, education, discovery, expression, ideology, experiment, consideration, ad infinitum.

    We were designed brilliantly.
    'God' did great work.
    But somehow only this particular creation seems to think otherwise...humans. Go figure.

    1. Rod Marsden profile image85
      Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Plenty of times people have used the God argument so they would not be totally accountable for their actions. Today the lack of accountability through religion continues. you say we are overpopulating the world and we are dooming all sorts of species to extinction? Hey that's fine! God said we can do that. The oceans are being fished out and there will come a day, because we are not taking proper care of our environment, when there simply won't be any fish to catch but that's okay God said we can do this. Talk about leaning on religion and letting accountability slip by. Right now I see, yes there is a God and we use this got so we don't have to account for our actions.

      1. Valerie F profile image61
        Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        People who believe that don't know that God requires responsible stewardship of the earth.

  13. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Straight forward answer for purpose of life, "Learn+Unlearn+Survive+Multiply".

    1. Rod Marsden profile image85
      Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Too much multiplication and we will all be in a sorry mess. Check out Soylent Green (Make Room! Make Room!) or The Population Bomb.

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think Skyfire is exhausted! but I am sure he would want me to point out that he uses the plus sign not multiplication in his model.  And one of the problems that form most of the arguments on here is that there are already way too many people on earth.

        1. skyfire profile image73
          skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nope i'll not ask you for something like that. I made that equation for reply to Daniel as it was satisfactory for his question. You seem to take things way too stretched when it comes to ignorance(that includes your own).

        2. Rod Marsden profile image85
          Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There are already too many people on earth is a pretty good argument only because it happens to be true. What is religion doing about it? As far as I can see the major religions are only making the situation worse. Skyfire did use plus multiply in his argument and I took it from there. Multiply was good once when, many eons ago, humanity was facing extinction from under population. Now that we face extinction from over doing it maybe 'producing same' would be better than plus multiply.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    the sense or reason for believing exceeds the question/answer parallels. This is free will in action. Choice, beyond needing to know, beyond thinking/logic/equation. It is beyond consciousness.

    this is perhaps 'why' those who 'disbelieve' are still entertaining the notion of "prove it to me so i can believe" else "prove it to me so i can not believe" and have firm conviction/evidence of either or.

    but you know (chuckles) that is not going to happen, because the evidence is everywhere and nowhere at the same, alpha/omega which completely defies all human logic.

    as long as you look in either direction to 'find' something, the longer it will take you to find it, since point A and point B are infinite.


    entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
    entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity

    -Occam's Razor


    good luck.

  15. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    There's no explanation.

    I can't see God anywhere. We're not perfect.
    Science has made us better

    1. Valerie F profile image61
      Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Science has made us better and worse.

    2. Anolinde profile image88
      Anolindeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I see God in my daughter smile

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    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    A joker you throw on the table when you got no valuable card.

  17. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    And assumptions go on and on.

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    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    Besides assumptions, what's in stock ?
    Truth ? Is it frozens somewhere ? Who's got the secret to the freezer door ?

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The God of the Freezer

    2. Disappearinghead profile image90
      Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Life is like a tin of corned beef. We're all looking for the key. XD

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        zampanoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So, we're condamned to break our teeth on the tin...
        Will we ever get to the core ?
        Anyway there are chances we'll have fruitless cake as dessert.
        hehehe.

  19. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Poker, ice and god.

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      zampanoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God would be Scotch in this case...
      Which makes also a Trilogy :
      In the name of poker, Ice and Scotch.

  20. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    xD

    "In the name of Poker, Ice and Scotch" ...  xD

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    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    http://www.exoinfo.net/chat/mitose.jpg
    Intelligent designer working at cell level

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      cool.
      and that's just on the 'cell' level!

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        zampanoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You assemble some millions and you have a macroscopic view.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          i was actually going the other way. if you disassemble them, the energy is infinite. amazing indeed.

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            zampanoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            But when you assemble them and educate them, they find ways of liberating infinite megatons of energy.
            hehehe

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              Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              indeed. Some fun, fascinating, fragments of infinity.

    2. Disappearinghead profile image90
      Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I must be a bit thick here, because I can't see what I'm looking at in this picture.

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        zampanoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's just vegetable cells having a good time.

        1. Disappearinghead profile image90
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hey you've changed. You're Alfred E Newman now if I'm not mistaken.

  22. Beelzedad profile image60
    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago

    Generations and generations of evolution. smile

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    Serendipity: the accidental tourist? lucky 7?
    great book by the way -accidental tourist.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    wow.

    fear is condemned by all people -of religion or otherwise
    it is the stumbling block of man. sorry to disagree.
    just because we acknowledge it, embrace or accept it does not make it a good thing or beneficial. just look at religion -99.9% based on just that, fear.

    doubt is just as bad, except doubt can go either way. doubt is the fence most sit on until they make a decision.

    i can't validate the book (bible) based on the many varied editions. sorry. nor can one validate the claim of non-existence of 'god'. i mean if we required 100% validity from every point, neither science nor religion would exist. funny, because i would like them both not to exist.

    ....

    true, tele-jesus is a crock, but that is beside the point.
    the wolves eating them are themselves, no one else. each chooses to accept/reject any thing. Like i told my friends a while back: you can put a label on anything and call it "right" but it doesn't make it right. it makes it a box with a label on it.

    i really don't see how 'god' would lead us to destruction. Ironically, it seems people are pushing 'god' to destruction.

    The New Age is here already: self-everything: self-ideology, self-employed, self-sustaining, self-awareness, self-help, self-gratification, self embodied, self-empowered...
    and on and on.
    By the time all is said and done, humanity will be so self-indulged, that it will make the days of Babylon look a day at the beach...

    1. Mark Knowles profile image62
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And you miss the point. If you understand and accept fear it is not a tool to be used on you. If you deny it - then religion gets you.
      Fear is good. Nothing wrong with fear. It is. 

      Self awareness is even better. But - I see you are not a fan of self-anything and see the "New Age," as a threat. Too bad. It is also. wink

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    @ Mark. chuckles. hope i am not discouraging you in any way.
    funny though is in reference to the New age 'movement' I used this line to a devote New Ager, he rolled laughing:

    physician, heal your-self.


    The NA or re-written Aquarius philosophy doesn't bother me so much as the coming together of science-theology after many many moons.
    One thing disturbs me greatly is that almost all theologies, all new age hokus-pokus took their 'truths' from our scripts, our writing of history -Hebrew then mixed them with some kind of pagan glue and created these paper machete factories of -as i call it- the Need to Know.

    it's all kacang buncis or in french haricot verde, all of it.

    i am inclined to accept -that after 5660 + years of Hebrew/Aramaic history, one thing - a thief is still a thief, a liar still a liar, a whore is still a whore, a bunny is a bunny and 'god' is never going away or going to change to fit mans concept.

  26. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 6 years ago

    After reading the full thread, I would say the Atheists won this one.

    God is an assumption. How do you know that God is the creators name if there is a creator or creators? If there is a God, don't you think he/she/it would be pissed off if you were calling he/she/it the wrong name this entire time?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      why would he-she-it care about names.
      name calling is for roll-call, movie stars, bullies and very strangely perfumed English home-tutors, i think.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think he/she/it/they would care if there is a he/she/it/they. I also don't think he/she/it/they would approve of religion and others claiming they know he/she/it/they when they don't even know he/she/it/they's name if there is a he/she/it/they that has a name.

      2. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not so sure.  "I baptize thee in the name of Harvey" does not sound very powerful or convincing.

        1. marinealways24 profile image61
          marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol You are right, the name God does have good marketing value.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          more like a St George Rulebreaker & a shot of Harvey after..lol

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      When your children are just learning to speak do Fathers get Mad because they are called Da-Da, instead of Daddy?

      Maammuh, just sends mothers into a rage when they hear their babies call them that doesn't it....

      The belief in God is for our benefit, not God's...It brings comfort to flawed human beings, not God. It pleases us, not God.

      Whether our 6 month old baby believes in the existence of the Moon or not, does not anger us nor does it change the truth, whatever that might be.

      Being un-provable does not make it an assumption.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Do we have to teach them what to call us or do they already know?

        A person can't believe in a higher power with slapping the name God on it? This is an assumption. The assumption there is a higher power is an assumption much less slapping a name on it. I didn't say there is anything wrong with having an imagination or faith, I just think it's wrong to state assumptions as absolute. A claim on the unprovable is an assumption.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We teach them to call us what WE prefer they call us... if we show them that we don't care(we don't prefer one name over another) they will name us what is pleasing to them...

  27. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 6 years ago

    Were we born with the word God like we are born with instinct or is it a word that was taught? big_smile

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    religion: keep god in
    science: keep god out
    pagans: keep the gods in or let the gods out
    atheist: what gods?
    the new ager: we are all gods; now keep out!

    two Zebras were arguing one day. One zebra kept squealing that zebras were a white with black stripes. The other argued against saying zebras were black with white stripes.

    a young Jewish boy walked passed an laughed, his wife would love two new striped Z bras. -My Grandpa

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Which one of those do you agree with?

      1. Disappearinghead profile image90
        Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Neither. A zebra is nothing more than a horse wearing pyjamas. smile

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        my grandpa...

  29. 0
    A Texanposted 6 years ago

    I know I was designed! You don't get this pretty by sheer accident!

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I believe they call you random mutation. big_smile

    2. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You know, I could never get that, I'm ugly as sin. Was I designed to be this hideous?   smile

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        A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ugly people need love too!

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          lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          extra love I say. tongue

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            A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think fat people need extra love

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              lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              especially those with back fat.

            2. Disappearinghead profile image90
              Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              They get plenty of love.....from cream cakes.

          2. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You and I standing next to each other would be like Esmeralda and Quasimodo. Sure, you'd love me for the person I am but you'd never be able to get past the grotesque and monstrous physical aspect. smile

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
              Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So fix it...
              Work out and get in great shape...

              Work hard and get the money needed for plastic surgery...

              stop being a victim, blaming everyone that doesn't have the same problems for the problems that you have.

              I know it isn't fair....life....isn't fair... but that's life.

              1. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I'm in good shape, it's one of the few things I have control over.



                Like Michael Jackson did? wink



                Not sure where you read I was blaming everyone???



                True. I love life. It's great. There is no better thing I'd rather be doing than living. smile

        2. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That's why there's more than one ugly person.

  30. Beelzedad profile image60
    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago

    If God designed us, why do we have biological imperfections?

    If we were designed, like a clock or a watch, why are we all different from each other and not the same? Is each design different or are we all imperfections from an original?

    Has the design been or will be upgraded or is this body all that there is and ever will be?

    It really would be nice to know the answers to these questions. smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If we are not intelligent design, would we be able to fix the ignorant design? big_smile

      I figured I would ask a question to benefit the religious since they were struggling. big_smile

    2. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This universe and everything it it including humans have and will always be in perfection.

      Countless in front are your entity ,
      Each having a different identity.

      You are made of such fine Light, Love tissue ,
      No beginning, No end and ageless issue.

      1. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hmmm... gotta have some of whatever you're smokin' there, junior.

  31. qwark profile image62
    qwarkposted 6 years ago

    Would someone who "KNOWS." pls define this god thing using fact to define "it" instead of opinion and conjecture?
    There is no scripture in any "holy" (tongue-in-cheek) book that factually defines this god thing that you all are chattering about.
    If ya can't, yer all insane!
    All you are discussing would fall into the category of "absurdity."
    It seems to me that ALL of you but a few who challenge the concept, KNOW what "it" is.
    Pls enlighten us so that we may enjoy the same epiphany you SEEM to have had.
    Ty...:-)

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What IS God...the eternal question....


      We don't know.

      1. qwark profile image62
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Mikel:
        Then why is it they act as tho they "know?"
        Insanity?

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Can you 'Prove' that God doesn't exist?

          and yet you still 'Believe' that God is an absurdity...

          is that your Delusion? Are you insane for believing something you cannot prove?

          1. qwark profile image62
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Mikel:
            Is that your answer to me? If it was, you must read with care and understanding.
            Where in my comment did I ask for proof?
            I asked what is this god thing?
            If it can't be factually defined, why would I ask for proofs of it?
            Why do people guide their lives by that which cannot be known; cannot be defined? That's insanity.

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
              Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Then please define your beliefs, and provide all the proof to all of your beliefs.

              If there is anything you cannot prove, that you do however believe then by your statements you are insane?

              That makes everyone insane. Because people either believe in an unprovable God or they believe in the NON-existence of God which is also un-provable.

              People are forced to draw conclusions based on intuition and faith. We cannot prove everything therefore we must decide sometimes on less than proven fact.

              1. qwark profile image62
                qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Mikel:
                Wow!
                You have completely missed the point!
                The point is,simply, this: You keep mentioning this "god" thing and I don't know what you are referring to....do you?
                I have asked, over and over again for someone who "KNOWS" what "it" is, to define "it" for me in terms other than opinion and conjecture.
                Have you missed my queries?
                I quote you:

                " Because people either believe in an unprovable God or they believe in the NON-existence of God which is also un-provable."

                What is this "god" thing you keep mentioning in ref. to proofs?
                Once "it" can factually be defined, I can consider it. Until then, all I can do is wonder what all the fuss is about!
                There seems to be an abstract concept; "god," which is being touted as being an existential entity.
                I am concerned about the sanity of believers in that concept.
                To me, to believe in something that exists only in the imaginations of believers and to let "it" guide their lives, is absurd!
                Have I cleared that up for you? Define "it" factually and by golly I'll consider it. Fair? I think so....:-)

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  according to Wiki:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

                  according to me:

                  For me, personally, God is a name assigned to a concept. The concept being that of the 'Supreme Being', the supreme being, being that entity that is the most highly evolved form of life.

        2. Disappearinghead profile image90
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'd love to be able to prove God exists. But we can't. Athiests always insist that we prove God, but that's just not possible. God is not material so we can't see Him under a microscope, through a telescope, or in a particle accelerator. Every tool we have to measure anything is itself material, so they cannot prove the invisible God.

          The best we can offer is argument and philosophical reasoning. But these things cannot persuade an athiest who requires material proof.

          I could talk about a prayer that's been answered, but you could say, coincidence.
          I could offer you a fullfilled biblical prophecy, but you would say unobjective interpretation.
          Even if I could perform a miracle, you would search for some previously unknown scientific phenomenon to explain it.

          Does God exist? You have to determine that for yourself. I've heard of former athiests who just as a test said something like "God if you are real, show me in a way that I can't refute". Some people say something happened that convinced them. Others would not be convinced or would not deign themselves to ask even in the privacy of their home.

          It takes a measure of faith to believe in God, so for the atheist, this is impossible as they deny that faith in God is logical.

          1. mohitmisra profile image61
            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            or in a particle accelerator

            I agree with you science will fail.

          2. Mark Knowles profile image62
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That is because faith in God is not logical. It is a desperate need to appear more important  than you are.

            Quite honestly - I have no issue with people telling me they believe in an invisible super being. None.

            The moment that - people like you - start pretending you know what this invisible super being wants is the moment I discard everything you say.

            You don't know. You do not have an answers and have gone with the easy one. God did it. You have not attempted to learn anything. you have no wisdom and strangely enough - a belief in the invisible super being almost always comes with a "knowledge" of what the super being wants. How weird is that?

            People who believe in god are invariably intellectually lazy and obstinate to the point of causing wars. See any history book.

            Not quite sure how you manage to swallow the idea of an invisible super being who's existence causes more suffering and wars than almost anything known to man.

            Scratch that - I do know and have no respect for people who need to imagine they have some special knowledge that makes them better.

            It just causes fights and conflicts. Look at Mohit - he is "enlightened" and does nothing but fight with everyone in an attempt to "spread god knowledge." wink_

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              There is no pretending, I correct peoples wrong assumptions, that is my job. wink

              Its been ages since we had a  fight even though we have opposite viewpoints, I don't force you to believe what I say or threaten you  smile

              People have asked me is I am a Muslim or Christian and I say no but I appreciate the truth and wisdom of the prophets and hate it when someone praises their prophet and religion and tries to put down other prophets or religions. smile

              These people do not know god and are the cause for many ugly wars.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image62
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Uhuh. And the constant fighting I see you engaged in is "correcting people's assumptions" is it? Because - you know and they do not. And you do not understand why this causes fights?

                Physician - heal thyself. wink

            2. Disappearinghead profile image90
              Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              A couple issues here.
              I can't speak for all, but choosing to believe in God has nothing to do with any sense of self importance. It's just the conclusion that I have come to based on what I have seen, heard and experienced, as well as a peace that I have. And no I can't prove that to you, nor will I try.

              As to what God wants, I know nothing beyond what is written, and as your rightly said in an earlier hub, how can people tell the difference between what "God is saying in their heads" and their own minds?

              The old religion causes the wars is a tired old one. It can be that way, but in most cases the war is over someones greed and religion is a banner abused to rally people under.

              Take away religion and people will find something else. Was the Falklands war about religion? No. Was the first Gulf war about religion? No. The second one was about oil. And not forgetting that the 1st and 2nd World Wars had nothing to do with religion.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image62
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Demonstrating a lack of self awareness is not going to convince me of anything. You have probably seen, heard and experienced much the same as I have. But - you need to imagine something more important than yourself that you can quote with some authority.

                As you say - you have just decided to believe in a god. No biggie. This god does not actually exist - but it makes you feel better to believe in it. And all you know is "what is written," which means you have no insight and no wisdom. But - you think you do and have told me that I do not because I do not believe. Still - you can now quote from the book and claim some knowledge.

                And I still am not getting the "other things cause wars, so therefore it does not matter that religion does," argument.

                1. Disappearinghead profile image90
                  Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Why do you think that it's all about scoring points?

                  You say we're stupid for believing in a God that you do not. Then you come over all superior about it.

    2. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      GOD


      Who is god?
      He, she and it is god. God is, has, was, will.

      Where is god?
      Everywhere is god, nowhere is god.

      What sort of a thing is god?
      Everything is god.
      God is love, god is the light.

      When does god come?
      When the madness stops, when death becomes.

      How do I see god?
      With your eyes closed and with your eyes open.

      What have I to do with god?
      You are his creation, you are a part of him.

      When do I see, meet god?
      Whenever you really decide to,
      When you want nothing.


      Enlightenment  means merging with the Light or god, our source.

  32. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Us meaning the Human Body? Or the perfect Souls that inhabit those cocoons?



    Engineers that 'design' cars don't make them all the same....Why?

    Evolution...??


    Your real questions are why me...and why can't things be the way you want them to be... those are questions you will have to answer on your own.

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The bodies.



      Engineers design production models, all meant to be produced identical to one another, with various accessories added on afterward to suit the taste of the buyer.

      Did God design each one of us individually or as a production model? If the latter, why aren't there identical people walking around?

      Can engineers and God be compared to each other?



      If we evolved, was there one original design or many?



      It sure would be nice if things were the way I wanted them to be but they aren't. I have to face up to the realities of every day life just like everyone else.

      I shouldn't have to answer my own questions without asking them first and getting answers from other sources. I'd much rather weigh various alternatives to a problem or idea rather than just sticking to what I might believe to be the one that makes sense or is right.

      1. Rod Marsden profile image85
        Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The original design or model as far as I can see was a one celled creature. Over time it evolved into a two celled creature and so on. To be taken back in time check out bacteria under a microscope. It is more advanced than this original and very primitive one celled thing had been but generally speaking a hell of a lot less complicated than we are. Mind you new designs of bacteria crop up all the time. The more successful live on to cause us lots of trouble. If we do destroy much of the life that exists on this planet including our own the story is that if just one sample of bacteria manages to survive and retain a food source then evolution can start its run all over again.

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks Rod. smile

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    have never believed humans were flawed.
    in fact, or history, not the re-written elements of theology, but recorded history states that at a point, men lived to be more than 800 years old, without any disease.

    To this day, science nor religion can explain it, but both are claiming to know the answer 'why'.

    if there was/is an evolution of humans it is in REVERSE of our actual design. Why else would our bodies immediately heal/repair damaged tissue if we were supposed to just die.

    why has the morality rate increased in the last 500 years?
    why is science trying to 'fix' the problem while adding cascades of 'side effects' to the problem.

    this should be a wake up call to both mystics -don't "F" with what you don't understand.

    Humans are created perfectly, intricate of extremely intelligent design. So why do humans always think less of themselves and use these crutches of the Need To Know as leverage?

    simple, to accept they are perfect means they are responsible for that perfection; accountable for every action/reaction instance, whether to one another or to 'god'.

  34. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 6 years ago

    Can a person have an individual belief of God? I don't think it's possible.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      well New Age, Buddha-Pseudo-Gouda etc would say yes to that, Marine.

      over 6000 years of history proves -not suggests- proves no individual interpretation of 'god' is possible. Which is a grand point.

      same as the bible bearing believers who quote history they never even studied, let alone understand.
      and chemical shredders who do not even conceive the notion of what it is they are toying with.

    2. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes but that individual belief is timeless truth encountered by many.

  35. qwark profile image62
    qwarkposted 6 years ago

    It's all so easy!
    Even a "caveman" can do it!
    Give it to "Mohitmisra the Primitive."

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Evolved not primitive, you got it all wrong. smile

  36. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Ah yees, once again it is prime time to see that a loving god would not want anything but peace at any price.
    You can just feel the spiritual loving oozing out of the bible! ... and the quoran...

    The bible this time....

    "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD.  "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die.  I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD.  "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship.  I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear.  For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars.  They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too.  So now I will destroy them!  And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do.  They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings."   (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

    Ya just can't beat unconditional holy love can ya?

    lol lol lol

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thats why more prophets will be send to correct this situation as there is only one god. smile

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Earnest, i have a question:

      why do keep saying 'bible' when you are actually quoting Torah?
      just curious.

      sidebar note: those 'conversations' were between Y`weh and the Hebrews.

  37. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    ....A nice way to go about correcting your mistakes god! Kill everything and everyone you made. lol
    Nobody see any nonsense yet? lol

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Great paths have been set by great prophets but foolish man has misused his powers ,its not god who is to blame but man both atheists and believers with foolish egos and limited knowledge.

      "Your glory is such,
      Man asks for too much. " smile

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was quoting what god said, his threats, not mans, unless..... smile

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Its more to show that this dimension is one of pain and with the light or god your home or source is true bliss.

          God cannot threaten you as he is within you.t

  38. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I don't think man needs any help at all in recognising life's pains Mohit. smile
    That a god would be so crazy is really hard to believe.

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I know if you look at it with this logic I agree with you but another reality is that you are god and you have materialized yourself and you are playing this game with yourself, referred to  as the cosmic joke-- all is god- all is you. smile

      I tell ye you are all gods" Jesus this is his best message.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        All a person has is their individual truth and logic until they sacrifice it for a religious group faith. Didn't your boy Jesus say that no other prophets would come until he comes back? Or was Mohammed supposed to be the last? Or, are you the last prophet? It gets confusing with so many wannabe claimed prophets.

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What if that individual truth and logic coincides with a religious belief ?

          You are an atheist, its like me saying you have no individuality because there are many like you.


          Jesus isn't my boy or anyones boy,the prophets do not have all knowledge and there have been many masters after Jesus and Muhammad, this is just foolish ego and attachment.

          I don't know If I am the last. In fact many will gain enlightenment after me I am not the first or the last to do so.

          All will eventually understand god and their source.

          I believe as long as everyone has not gained enlightenment and when the world becomes a mess as it is right now when the prophets and religions are ridiculed ,god will send someone to correct the situation

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If an individual belief coincides with a religious belief, more than likely it isn't an individual belief. What is an atheist, no belief in a God or no belief in a higher purpose? There are many people like me, but none share my belief. I am equal to everyone.  I don't try to separate myself by saying I know more than anyone else. I also don't claim to be a prophet to boost myself above others. This is foolish ego and attachment.

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I was an atheist and the gained enlightenment so now I relate with what the prophets said.

              All atheist do not believe in god what makes you so special ?

              After you gain enlightenment then you will have god knowledge right now you don't have the knowledge so you cant say you do.

              Its the most abusive job in the world being a prophet, many like you who have nothing better to do in life take out your frustration on me and abuse me.

              1. marinealways24 profile image61
                marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Here we go with "enlightenment" again, now all we need is a mentioning of "ratings" and you will be 100% predictable instead of 99%.

                I didn't say I am special or that I beleive in God or a higher power. I also don't say that creation is impossible. Why do you assume so much prophet?

                Do you think it's others that abuse you or it's you that abuses yourself?

                1. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You do say you are special and individual all the time and people who believe in god or a higher intelligence have no individuality or brains.

                  Truth mediate gain enlightenment then you will understand perfectly ,until then it will be a fairy tale.

                  Why should I abuse myself ? Its people like you with limited knowledge who do mots of the abusing.

                  If you are in a similar vibration you will appreciate what I say.

      2. Disappearinghead profile image90
        Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nooooooo!!!

        Jesus was not saying we or anyone was a god. He was being sarcastic to the Pharisees who wanted to stone Him for blasphemy because He claimed to be the Son of God. John 10:25-34. Jesus was quoting Psalm 82:6-7. "I said, 'You are "gods";
               you are all sons of the Most High.'
        7 But you will die like mere men;
               you will fall like every other ruler."

        Even here though the sense is that God is using the term sarcastically towards those who made themselves out to be gods.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image62
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Now you are important because you can tell us what God says. How very predictable you are sweetie pie. And you think this is "wisdom" and "insight"......... wink

          1. Disappearinghead profile image90
            Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ???????

        2. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No sarcasm at all this is also Hindu philosophy,god is within man, mans true or higher or inner self is god.

  39. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    If i get enlightenment then first thing to do is increase adsense, amazon, kontera earnings honestly. I'll stress on Kontera cause it is one of the slowest earner so far.

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I will stress no one becomes a poet to make money but a poet needs to eat and live as well.
      Balance spiritual with material - perfect living.

      1. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Forget about all wisdom mohit, if you get enlightenment you got to tell me how to monetize kontera. That is one hard ad-network which i failed to use in my favor 1 year with low clicks is serious imbalance.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image62
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I gave up myself. Took me 400,000 impressions to make the $100.

          big_smile

          1. skyfire profile image73
            skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Worst thing about kontera is earning counter, it doesn't show count of money earned after quarter ends.

        2. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have no idea how to monetize Kontera doubt I have made even $1 from it.

          Ask me about spirituality and not adsense and Kontera etc.

          What has enlightenment got to do with knowledge on monetizing from  Kontera?

          Ask Mark he is the pro in making money from Hubpages.

          1. skyfire profile image73
            skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And you call enlightenment from god ? Isn't enlightenment a communication with higher being ? oh wait, higher being can't help with monetization but will save humanity. Hmm, i see.

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Call enlightenment from god ? what are you talking about ?

              Enlightenment is merging with the Light, ones higher self or inner self or god self.

              Okay so you want me to give you or show you money and then you will believe me? Till then you will not?

              Start a business. smile

              I have helped some who have approached me with their financial problems.

              1. skyfire profile image73
                skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Lol, done with starting business and now you have to talk about monetization. Most of hubbers have content factories (aka business,niche sites/community sites you can say) now enlightened one give me monetization tips will ya ?

                And enlightenment is merging with god, then somehow missing some knowledge about monetization during registry merging process ? isn't higher being all knowing-registry ?

                1. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  So if you have a business why ask me?

                  I have repeated I don't have all knowledge many times, ask someone who specializes in finance about money and not me, ask me spiritual questions.

                  This is a religious forum go where people talk about money and finance and ask them, you are in the wrong place.

                  1. skyfire profile image73
                    skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Let's call it "pwn" when it comes to someone's enlightenment,right ?

                    Now here is work for you, jot down all that comes under enlightenment. So far you failed to convince me that time travel, monetization doesn't come under enlightenment. So what's the use of enlightenment ? is it "101 tips to relaxation" ?

  40. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Ah so people care for opinion of sarcastic prophet ?(err not prophet, son of god who failed to survive crucification).

    1. cromestrings profile image60
      cromestringsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Did any prophets in the history told u how to earn money ?????

      1. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        earning money is part of life and prophets preach how to live life right ? and prophets are just faith-marketing people as they control crowd, so is it hard for them to give some marketing tips ?

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly so why ask how to make money from Kontera, I added it but haven't checked my account in months.

          Earn honestly is what prophets will tell you, dont cheat anyone.

          "Money is also a part of god,
          Dont commit it by earning a fraud. "

          1. skyfire profile image73
            skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            big_smile i love this.

            Do you mean to say monetization is being a fraud ? Whoa, then 99% SEO industry is fraud on internet.

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Were have you gone ? when did I say SEO  is a fraud ?

              1. skyfire profile image73
                skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I'm right here. I do job for living and not poetry so absence doesn't mean i'm out of discussion.

                Read your reply here : http://hubpages.com/forum/post/814693



                So you're pointing to monetization as fraud. Right ?

      2. Disappearinghead profile image90
        Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah plenty on God Telly have. Give them all your money and just like a piramid selling scam, money magically comes into your hands.

        1. cromestrings profile image60
          cromestringsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh really  ... then All the prophets should have given you the Lottery Numbers... or roulette wheel sequence...  or whatever type of money making stuff they had...    I guess gambling was always there at the time of prophets..  I never heard any prophet telling you how to make money on that..  Your question sounds really funny...

          1. mohitmisra profile image61
            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Illogical question.

  41. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD.

    Something you don't understand about this part of it?

    Another one who likes to avoid what is said as if it were normal to make threats of this nature, and it is OK cos it's in the torah and so somehow that makes it less psychotic?
    It was OK for your god to torture, murder in the OT, but it's all good now. Why is that I wonder?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you are miss interpreting.
      i think we would know our own history better than the 'gentiles' and 'enlightened' theist/atheists, yes?

      it never says 'god' WANTS to harm us. If you knew covenant language you would understand what is being said.

      but again, this was between us and him, not you or the so-called Christians.


      interest though that you or any of them have nothing to really go on apart from OUR history, yet so easily use our history book as both your safety and weapons for or against.

      in short: get your own history book, ours is already written.

  42. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Earnest...  What would you do if you bought and paid for ...  they are yours...a bag of grapes at the store and a couple a days later they were full of worms and flys....  Would you be psycotic and destroy them or throw them into the trash can ??? Or would you eat and appreciate them as you first intended?

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    PS, Earnest, et al, based on that passage: did god actually destroy it or did he give them another chance to repent?

    Believers: learn the covenant.

    to this day, Hebrews are blessed and bountiful, know why? Yup, covenant. FYI: The new covenant is even greater than the first -because it removes that nasty obstacle called sin & death.

    think about it, learn it, live it.

    1. Disappearinghead profile image90
      Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What new covenant are you talking about? Was there a later Hebrew one than the Abrahamic? I'm guessing you are not talking about Jesus' new covenant in His blood for the remission of sins.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        the fulfillment of the Abram Covenant & Mosaic Law is that New Covenant. All the blessing of the first are made full plus added to it infinitely. I am surprised so many believers do not know it or understand it completely.

        1. Disappearinghead profile image90
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh I do understand that these were fullfilled by Jesus. It's just your condescending attitude to "so-called" Christians taking your history led me to believe your were banging on about something else.

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            HD, i say so-called, because if they truly believed in that New covenant, they would not even dare call themselves by such titles.

            i do get a little irked by the miss use of Tor`ah by believers & non-believers. Because in all honesty neither truly understands it.

            it is all about covenant, blood covenant to be more precise.

            1. Disappearinghead profile image90
              Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Okey dokey smile

  44. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Funny how so many of you seem to know the "truth", but can never agree on what it is! smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The truth is that we are all insane animals. big_smile

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree absolutely! What we need to get our heads around is that you can change human behaviour however you like by small changes in brain chemistry and not just by taking drugs.

        Some aspects of "THINKING" are seen for what they are in the activity created as a direct result of the amount of vasopressin present in the hypothalmus of individuals.

        1. Disappearinghead profile image90
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Couldn't agree with you more ernest. When people ask what is the soul, I would suggest they stick their heads in an MRI scanner to find out.




          Still God made it in the first place right wink

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You can not touch, see, feel smell or taste LIVE that is within us.
               Science does not know what it is.
            Science can determine what goes on when it is present and see what goes on when it is not present. Science caint touch, feel, see taste or smell it  yet science proclaims that it is real.       
               Science just "Knows" that it is.
               Same as  perceptions of God.

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And you think your God needs you to spend your entire life promoting him?

            2. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Science is finding out, piece by piece, not long to wait now, the religionists must be terryfried! smile

              1. marinealways24 profile image61
                marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No, they will just evolve their religion to fit the new science.  They are good at using interpretation .

              2. mohitmisra profile image61
                mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Let science first find the god particle before jumping to such conclusions, they haven't been able to do so till now. smile

                Marine you behave like a scientist with a greater mind than Albert Einstein, he was wrong in saying there is a superior intelligence and you are correct by saying things just happen, intelligent design doesnt require and intelligent creator- happens ha.

                Lets leave science out of this as science is spending billions trying to find the god particle, let them do their work you are no scientist.

                1. marinealways24 profile image61
                  marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I tried, but I can't even write a serious response to you anymore. I will let your prophet mind and your god particles speak for you.

          2. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            We are stardust! smile

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              True according to science .

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hey, you know the truth, Earnest. suppose the rest are just starving artists. jeje.

      wink

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    do tell, where did 'stardust' originate, precisely?
    (factual evidence, please)

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Read Lawrence Krauss. smile

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        exactly hat i knew, you don't know.
        theory upon theory, no fact, no proof, no nothing.

        b-bye

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nah. Just read Lawrence Krauss. smile Theory, a lot better than the rhubarb sprouted by the religiously unwell. Based on scientific method, not fear and gulliblity. Written by a credible scientist, not a religious apologist. Like most scientists he had no interest in "proving " god does not exists, that only started for scientists when they were told all their double blinds and research amounted to nothing, and "The fairy did it" lol

          1. mohitmisra profile image61
            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Scientists have got together like never before to build these huge particle accelerators to find the god particle. smile

            Because they believe god exists.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image62
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Garbage Mohit - utter garbage. The "god particle" is a play on words and meant as a joke. Dear me. And I thought you were supposed to be enlightened...... wink

              1. mohitmisra profile image61
                mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No it is not a joke .

                http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/ … nbach-text

                At the Heart of All Matter
                The hunt for the God particle  smile

                1. Mark Knowles profile image62
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  lol

                  1. mohitmisra profile image61
                    mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Read more about it to affirm this truth. smile

                    I think an atheist started this rumor to feel good about himself wink

                2. skyfire profile image73
                  skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Another ignorance from you Mohit, the person who named it as "God particle" is atheist. Theists like you are similar to those shown in movies like " The Mist", The graves".

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

                  Go figure.

                  1. mohitmisra profile image61
                    mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Ah ignorance , is it the god particle science is hunting for or is it nor?

                    The higgs bosn is referred as  the god particle. go figure crap.

                3. Beelzedad profile image60
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Just to point out that the article was NOT written by a scientist or anyone that works at the Hadron facility. The facilities purpose has nothing to do with finding God. smile

                  1. skyfire profile image73
                    skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    If you manage to point him about verifiable resource, credibility then you'll get personal attacks. Try it i did one experiment with this spiritual subject.

            2. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              They are not looking for god Mohit, they are looking for answers to a few interesting questions that have arrived from other experiments. The "god particle" is only a nickname.
              There is just as much going on in science medicine and theories of dark matter as the accelerator.

              1. mohitmisra profile image61
                mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes but that is the basic building blocks of this universe4 is what they are trying to find,The higgs bosn is referred as  the god particle, yes a nick name but denoting the same.

                There are many believers in god who are scientists working with the particle accelerator, many Indians as well.

                http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie … 2/08/54507

                Physicists from all over the world are racing to prove the existence of a particle that's surmised to be at the heart of the matter. Literally.

                Dubbed the "God particle" by Nobel Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman, the Higgs boson is a controversial particle believed to bestow mass on all other particles.

                Some like the nick name and some do not.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    Earnest, you're a hoot, mate.
    if i have the chance, i'll pop by Stand books and read up.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Glad to entertain. It is even easier than that. The BBC has the whole set of scientific lectures with questions and answers. smile
      I am so pleased to hear you can read. smile

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

        That was funny!! smile wink big_smile

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, crud, the BBC. At least alphabetically before CNN. lol
        I'll pass on that, not a tele-visual fellow at all.

        Q & A : parallels of the Need To Know, friend. Have to pass on that. Too many "W's", kinda like the Yank Presidents. lol

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Radio friend, radio! The best coverage of world events, politics religion and science in the world today.

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            i am definitely NOT going to do that -since all three topics are not on my list, especially science/religion foreplay with political watchman.

            I am going to have a nice cup of Earl Grey and listen to the winter wind.

            cheers.

  47. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Don't want to know a decent theory to replace "the fairy did it" then? lol

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol your killing me tonight

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I thank you! My ego thanks you! smile Both of me are well chuffed! lol

  48. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    As much as I hate to agree with these two Mohit, They are correct.

    It is called the God particle because of it's allusive nature. It isn't because of a belief in God or from a search for God.

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Some call it the god particle and some do not like the name.

      Its is belief in finding the building blocks of this universe something science has not been able to do similar to finding god.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It will be a big event that is for sure, and an even bigger one if it is not found! smile

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          True its very fascinating but I don't think they can capture the essence of god.

          Its actually thoughts which manifest or materialize  smile

          1. skyfire profile image73
            skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It's not about god to begin with.

  49. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    it's not denoting the same. naming something and being something is poles apart. If tomorrow any pasta comes with brand name "Christ" then you'll say Jesus came back ? Your thinking is on these lines.

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You have a really weird way of thinking , please argue with the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman.

      1. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why should i ? Nowhere leon mentioned that it is about god. show me single of his journal where he quoted that.

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wow so why did he and why do many other scientist working with the particle accelerator call it the god particle.
          did mention it in one of his journals, go figure.

          For fun or some sadistic kicks?

          He did mention it in one of his journals, go figure.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image62
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Fun.

            I notice a lot of people who think there is an invisible super being in the sky are unable to grasp this concept. wink

            Go figure. lol

          2. skyfire profile image73
            skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I like this.

            1. Your links are links to news and blogs. Do you understand meaning of science journal ?

            2. Give me a link to his journal, do i need to teach you meaning of science journals  ?

            Go figure. wink

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I told he has has mentioned it in one of his journals-



              go figure.

              When did I say its a link to his journal , again the crap.

              go figure.

              1. skyfire profile image73
                skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                He mentioned in his journals ? Alright, gimme a link. wink

          3. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I don't think it was for kicks. It is an easy way to make a very complex particle understandable.
            Like god, it is invisible and has not been found or proven yet, so a bit of shorthand.
            The difference is, that this theory has a tremendous amount of theory that supports the likelihood of it's existence. Either way religionists will make it work for them! lol

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It relates with god which has also been elusive to science although many great scientists have acknowledged a higher intelligence they just don't have so called tangible proof for it. smile

              1. Mark Knowles profile image62
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Deary me. The ability to acknowledge when you are wrong is the sign of an enlightened person. wink

                1. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Albert Einstein believed in a higher intelligence, can you or anyone else here on this forum call yourself a greater scientist ? wink

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image62
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

                    You are not Albert Einstein Mo. I bet he could admit when he was wrong. wink

                    In any case - I make my own mind up about these things. I don't care that you do not understand what Einstein said any more than you do not understand that the god particle is not an actual search for an actual god. lol

                  2. skyfire profile image73
                    skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Here is very hard logical bit to you.

                    The statement in this post you made is called as "Logical fallacy- Appeal to popularity". Just because Einstein said so doesn't make any thing possible or impossible about universe designer unless he comes up with proof. But oh well, this is what happens when wanna-be's try to decipher science in spiritual way.

                    Oh and by the way, Einstein was Agnostic and when church threatened him, he made political stand of believing in deity.
                    Again, go figure those threatening letters to his views if you think he was theist. wink

  50. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    So i'm getting on someone's nerves eh ?

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sure its your habit to argue just for the sake of it, it does get irritating.

      I like intelligence ,dislike stupidity.

      1. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Really ? So use your intelligence to find out leon's journal for the statement you made.

        Personal attack is sign of intelligence ? ah yes we're arguing with wanna-be enlightened intelligent prophet aren't we ?wink

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Cant you look it up, is that so difficult for you, I don't like you so I don't want to take the effort to show you, simple.


          wanna be  lol 

          When Mark is sarcastic it so different from you , don't try to copy him, you don't have his sense of humor.

          If you are stupid I cant call you intelligent wink
          I seriously find you stupid you just keep finding some silly excuse all the time

          don't like to lie smile

          1. skyfire profile image73
            skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Do you understand meaning of burden of proof ? Burden of proof is on person who makes claim, in this case it is You.

            You do love to lie and don't want to admit that you got pwned here smile

            Sarcasm+smiley= typical theistic f--* pattern wink

            Edit: now where comes mark in picture ? Don't you debate alone or you need some shoulders to cry now mr mishra ? tongue

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Can you look it up I don't care about you as I don't like you.He mentioned it in one of his journals and that's why the words god particle became popular.

              Even If I do put up the link you will again find some stupid excuse as you always do.

              You are a jerk , youkeep proving that skyfire , I have rarely met anyone as foolish as you. smile

              the last time you kept this up your comments were deleted and you were banned , learn smile

              1. Flightkeeper profile image78
                Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Cool off mohit, if you keep this up you are likely to be banned, and I really don't think he's worth it.

                1. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You are right ,thanks Flightkeeper. smile

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      and not just mohit's nerves either...

      1. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You ? Or someone else ?

      2. Mark Knowles profile image62
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Awww Sweetie - Is it annoying for diddums when people will not believe what you say because are just making it up out of your head and that makes it the word of  "A" god which has a 50/50 chance of being right? lol

 
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