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Why is there a bible?

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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    I struggle with this, given it is man written and contains tales that cannot be proven.

    If someone has faith could that not be enough?

    If this is a ridiculous question apologize but have always been curious, what would be different if the various editions of bibles didn't exist?

    Thank you

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      A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why is their a Hustler magazine? There is a market for it.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        good point

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          brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          not a good point. If i want my earthy goods distributed after my death what do i leave behind? a will. If i have a lot of stuff and i am a locquacious type individual i may leave a video tape and what appears like a small book. My point is that the INVISIBLE god leaves something UNinvisible behind, his book or will if you like, depends on how you wanna read it.
          Yes it was written by man. Moses stretched forth his hand and the sea parted then god went before the camp a pillar of flame at night (for light) and cloud (for shade) during the day. Countless other amazing works did god do right up to the book of malachi. Then god gave his only begotten son that whosoever believe in him should have everlasting life.. but how would he do that? A book. When you are in school you read history books, english books, science books and you accept them by faith that they are the right book you need to understand what school is trying to teach you. A book and faith is all you have in school plus a visible teacher. Well christians have the holy spirit which is just as tangible, oh.. and a book, an amazing book actually. An incredible book really, if you have eyes to see and ears to hear and a heart that wants to believe.
          I hope this is a better point. god bless you according to his will and purpose in your life according to who god is and what god stands for.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think this question has been asked a lot.  Not only here, but everywhere.  Is it ridiculous?  No.  It is mundane, if you know what I mean.  I don't know why there needs to be a bible.  I don't no why we don't need a bible either.  Quite truthfully- the question cannot be answered.  Nobody knows the why or why not's of owning, creating, having, purchasing, reading, etc..., the bible.  Hi Kim- that is just how I feel about it.  It is kinda like the Jesus/Homosexual thread.  I mean, really, anybody here over 2000 years old, who looks a lot like Jesus?  That maybe could shed some light of this, and other questions like it? 

      Unfortunately- no.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Babe and hi back smile

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      Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Because it has some very important truths in it that are eternal. Although a lot of the rest of it is questionable.

    4. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      BLASPHEMY!    http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/ARootZooer/1stamp11.png

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        Jewelsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wish it would come down here, get it all over and done with.

    5. Valerie F profile image60
      Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Because a whole lot of people regarded the records of their sacred tradition worth preserving in writing and compiling into a book.

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      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You need a book of rules to get more people following your faith,
      you have to give them something.
      human beings love rules ! big_smile

    7. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's just a book.  smile

    8. jcloutier74 profile image60
      jcloutier74posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Its more than a book it is a way of life when used properly. People need something that tells them how to be good and not just an animal and so there you have it...The Bible! Alot of people now days think they are to smart or have all of the answers and couldn't possibly need something so old. Wisdom is old and there is alot to be learned by the stories from the Bible. Faith is definatley important but if no one ever gave you an idea of what to believe you would be lost... BELIEVE THAT!

      So many judgemental and dont even know it.Dont need your judging or your damnation.We need a new idea to save all the nations.Living in sin,hateful for long,confusing the good as to what is so wrong.Children are learning evil is strong peace and love pushed away for to long.Our minds have been changing losing their song. Light been denied to follow foolish ones dawn.
      Starting to feel it but where do they go? Lied to for years and movements to slow.The world is talking and through the clouds he shows the light is still there and soon we will know.A peace has been missing and stress ruled the way. The war of the night been brought into day.The waves are all crashing the bees fly away,remember that he promised renewal one day.The times are right now don't lie to yourself.Don't close your eyes long or put your heart on a shelf.There still are ones with feeling abound although it just seems like theres no one around.Resist all the fear and the strife goes away the beauty comes back and lights up the day.The fog on your eyes quickly washes away and inside you know he wants it that way.I call on my God to save all the strays and knock back the games the evil one plays.Our future is bright no stress will be there inside you will know he really did care.Its written and happening right now as we speak.More people understanding what he meant you to be.I wake up everyday and thank him for this and tell him to use me for how he sees fit.Everyday things get better and my prayers have been heard When I think of my passed it seems so obsured.The years that I wasted and wondering why could have been used for good and not just to die.I pray for you all that as you read what I say the light of Gods love will fill you today.Your dreams will come true and your pain goes away and you will call on our father to help others this way.

      Written by me

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        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nice poem....  Good in fact

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There's a Bible because God decided to give it to mankind; it's that simple.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Or because a group of men decided that teaching people was easier if they had something written they could point to in order to prove a point?

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            More like...

            every human needs to have rules to live by or at least try to live by.

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          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol lol lol

          Glad you think so. The BIBLE is man made. smile

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        People might be worshiping Aesop or Grimm, instead.

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        To prove atheists wrong.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Notice how it has failed miserably in that regard.

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Contrary to popular belief among athesits, it has proven them wrong. Not only them but it has proven that all men are wrong.

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              (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Not at all. A thinly veiled belief on your part.

              But, to give you the benefit of the doubt, where exactly has the bible shown all men to be wrong?

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                SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Have you ever told a lie before in your life? if so, this means you are wrong and not perfect. If you say no, then you prove yourself a liar.

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                  (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  What does that have to do with the bible showing that all men are wrong?

                  I have observed believers here lying all the time to support their belief system. What of it, Sir Dent? Another deferral?

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                    SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    If a person lies, then they can never be trusted to be right. That is a fact and another fact is that all have lied at some point in time.

                    I can't speak for all believers, but I can speak for myself. I have done my best not to lie to anyone here. Of course there are times when information one use might be found out to be false.

                    In one of the posts above I admitted that the Bible proves me wrong also. This is where so many fail. They think they are perfect, and in need of nothing. They can have nothing if they want, but I prefer to stand where I do with Jesus helping me along the way.

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                      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Lying has nothing to do with the bible showing all men are wrong, SirDent. You've clearly gone well above your head on this one.

            2. getitrite profile image80
              getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



              I think the bible is proof that YOU are wrong!

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                SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You are right, it is poroof that I am wrong. This is why there is a need for a Savior.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  How is your Mom in law? I hope that you and yours are coping well. Sincerely - that is no fun at all. And I wonder - no offense if you might find some other endeavor more productive and healthy at the moment? I know how that can mess with your head - religion and our differences aside - it is really easy to say something you didn't mean to say when under pressure.

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                    SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Just for the record, I am not as stupid as you think I am.

                    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I was trying to be supportive. Sorry you saw it as anything else.

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          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Proof, requires evidence. The ramblings of an insane fairy from a book is hardly proof! smile

      4. jamckinnon profile image61
        jamckinnonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Many of the stories in the Bible can be proven and have been recorded in other history books. The simplest answer to the question posed is That the Bible was inspired by the Lord through the Holy Spirit, it is the history of mankind from start to finish, it is also a blueprint of Gods salvation plan.
        Also it is a calander it begins about thirteen thousand years ago and end in the very near future.
        No one knows the hour not the angels,only the Father. The Bible is the Word of God the Father and he gave us the Bible so that the good servant would know when to watch for he will come as a thief in the knight.

      5. Pebbles002 profile image71
        Pebbles002posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        According to the Bible,
        the pupose of the Bible is to come to recognize who Christ is.
        >>>>>John 5:39<<<<<
        It says we must come to Christ to recive eternal life.
        If we dont recognize who can is, we can not recieve eternal life

      6. Dave Mathews profile image60
        Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God is wanted to leave for mana written record of Who God is what God is all about and what God has done and is doing for mankind. The bible is Gods written record written by the hands of man but His thoughts His ideas his words.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          How do you know that for a fact? How do you know they just didn't make it all up?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      i agree faith is all that is needed.

      Sadly, the history book (what some call Old Testament) never suggested a religious pretense, by a lifestyle based on faith, then law, then rulers(kings), prophecy and back to faith again.

      The 'new portion' was added for no apparent reason accept to connect Judaism with what Roman & Greek mythology dubbed Christianity. Thus, it enabled them to keep control over the masses and create a hysteria on both sides of the coin.

      If no 'edition' existed, there would be no religion, no anti-religion, no control -just faith.

      great question Lyrics.

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

      I guess I just don't get it, and never will, no offense to those that do

    12. goldenpath profile image81
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago

      Why?  Because we need to be reminded of what's important.  In these difficult times it is fast becoming common belief that we are "entitled" to certain rights and privileges.  This has started us on a road to apathy.  With apathy when we get the slightest hardship we whine and complain that we are being picked on.  It then becomes a matter of self pity and self pride.  It is in times like these that we need to read, memorize and reflect on the story of Job.  That's where we make our comparison between our lives and the paramount characters and events in the scriptures. 

      The scriptures are often mistakenly believed to be of "dead" words of which nothing can be learned from.  However, I assert that the scriptures are a living resource for us.  They are there to help us in our living.

      The parable of the ten virgins can give huge insight into the doctrine of emergency preparedness.

      David and Goliath can uplift and inspire us to overcome those obstacles in life that seem to be overwhelming.

      The Exodus and wonderings of the Hebrews can teach us scores about humility and standing strong.

      Coriantumr and Shiz can teach us loads about tolerance, understanding and the ramifications, to even nations, of our adverse actions in life.

      Faith is not an equal sign.  Faith does not remain on a level plateau.  It fluctuates according to our personal effort to strengthen it.  Faith is as a seed.  It must be planted, nourished and kept protected in order for it to grow.  Part of it being nourished is our works and the implementation of scriptural doctrines in our lives.  Constant study, reflection and implementation of the scriptures is vital to keeping our focus on what's important in life.

      There has never been a greater need of the scriptures as now...

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        but why a reminder if you already have faith in all that surrounds you?  To remind you of what?  Isn't true faith in the miracles that surround us - for some.  Why a book about past events that give no addition to what you must already feel?  Respectfully.

        1. goldenpath profile image81
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Because it's not past events.  In order to incorporate the human teachings one must correlate the events, human emotions and learnings contained in the scriptures to those events and human emotions that are taking place in your own life.  It cannot be seen as a "history" book but rather a "life" book to apply the learnings from.

          As to your other point.  It's easy, and has become the fad, to advocate faith in all nature and the things around you.  This is good but for many is a means of not diligently searching and learning doctrines currently out there.  Nature is wonderful but it is not going to cultivate and nurture your faith.  Nurture requires constant learning.  That constant learning results in greater humility.  Greater humility results in the disolving of pride giving way to new and greater learnings of the world around you and it's purpose.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hello GP.
        i have to disagree with you in part.

        in this: Enoch, Elijah, Job, Samson, Noah, Moses, Peter -even Lot- never used a book. in fact, if it wasn't for Moses there would be no 'bible'. the lesson is faith.
        to read the history and come to the place of faith is good.
        but the book really doesn't do it for you.

        if you had no books, and could not read -like say you were two years old, could you still understand faith, act on faith, indeed.

        so the reminder is not truly necessary should you live according to that single, simple, overlooked, over analyzed word: faith.

        childlike faith, my friend, childlike faith.

        think of it this way: the Canadian Storytellers. fabulous people btw. They speak their stories, not write them...

        1. goldenpath profile image81
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I understand, however, there is other considerations.  The individuals mentioned were especially selected to carry out the missions given them.  They had their own trials in the which they were commanded to keep a record of all His dealing with man.  They did so with foresight.  In other words they did so with the knowledge that the record would be for the good and use of future generations.

          About the children.  Until a child reaches the age of accountability they need not repentance.  A child is whole.  As you said, child-like faith.  We are to be as pure as a child in conjunction with our knowledge and willingness to strive toward progression.  A child nurtures in faith according to what the parent teaches them, not nature.  They have a living example of what they should be.  We, as accountable people, are given examples as well even though vast numbers of us fail to adequately study and learn from them.

          The scriptures were never meant to be a normal book but rather a living appendage to your own life.  That's the meaning of "inspired of God".  Something truly inspired has everlasting use and implications but it is up to us, individually, to put forth the effort to instill them into our lives.

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            they were not chosen by process of selection, but chose themselves to live by faith.
            and that same faith we are called to live by, yes?
            that is the faith of Abram, Enoch and others.
            It was THEIR faith in Him that made those things occur.

            As for the book. It is a history book not a how-to guide.
            This is one of my biggest issues with theology.
            Tor`ah or Talmud called Old Testament by 'believers' is a history of primarily Hebrew society. Very little mention of 'gentile' societies, apart from Egypt & Babylonian.

            So again, we really do not need the 'bible' we need to do what we were told: walk by faith not by sight /walk in spirit not in flesh.

            i really believe children have it and we lost it...

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

      Isn't it also the largest selling book in the world-most copies I mean yearly?

    14. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 6 years ago

      yep, we sure do need a 'god" thing that orders the murder of tens of thousands of "it's" innocent creations: men, women, the unborn, their pets and cattle ...and...allows the rape of children!
      Then to add insult to injury this psychotic "god" thing orders the murder of everyone!....'cept noah, the family and "other life."
      Now pls tell me what "sane" human being would desire a "monster concept," like this murderous "god" thing, to exist in his mind?
      The "insane!" That's who!

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Qwark there is a difference between humans and gods.  There is even different definitions for the two words.  They are not one in the same.

        Man kills.  Not God.  Mankind....  Huge difference.

        1. qwark profile image61
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Intimat:
          You are so right!
          Man kills!
          This "god" thing exists only in the minds of murderous, predatory man!
          So this "god thing" doesn't kill, it just orders the murder and rape of others...
          you are right on!
          This imagined biblical "god" thing is a psychotic piece-of-work!  :-)

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I just can't get it either, oh well, been doing ok so far, just wondered about the book, makes no sense, but truly does to others, so to each his own I suppose.

    15. Mekenzie profile image93
      Mekenzieposted 6 years ago

      lyrics - First of all .. I want to tell you that I usually avoid speaking in religious forumns because of the ugly comments so many post ... I have no time for ugliness .. it is not who I am.  I sense sincerity in this question and I like your heart...  So here's a little something from my heart to yours.

      In the book of Romans .. God says .. "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of God"   When a person picks up the Bible, to explore it ... faith grows in the heart.  Faith is not something you can see ... it's like the wind that blows here and there ... not seen but very real.

      Love Ya Girl ...

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        See now that I can kinda grasp - finally some normal answer - I get so confused and am mocking no one.  I just always wondered.

        Thank you dearly for giving me a tangible reasoning for why.

        Ps love ya back

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      then how was Faith accounted to Abram as righteousness?
      He had no bible, no "old testament".
      In fact, no one did until the late 16th century.

      1. Mekenzie profile image93
        Mekenzieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Dear twenty-one days, I am not an intellectual ... from your comments I can tell that you are dear sir...  I may not have an answer to satisfy your intellectual mind ... I will take a stab at it in my simple way ...  I do know that the Bible says that God spoke directly to Abraham's during this time.  He did not need the written word... the word was with him.  HIstory tells us that God gave moses the 10 commandments on Mount Sinai. 
        It is commonly known that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible.  HIstorical writings have recorded that forty people on different continents wrote the entire Bible over a period of at least 1500 years... most of whom never knew each other.... God tells all scripture is inspired ... meaning God breathed...  God moved men to pen His words.   O.T. scriptures were completed by 400 B.C.  The Greek translation of that known as the septuagint was used in Jesus Day.  Don't know if I answered your question???  ONce again ... disclaimer ... not an intellect.  Have suggestions of books for intellects ... however .... if interested.  KNow of an agnostic and athiest who set out to disprove the Bible by reading it... Very interesting stuff.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Mekenzie, very nice to 'meet' you.

          I know this. My point was the Word -which spoke to Abram, Enoch, Adam, etc etc- was not the written words most are familiar with today. Tor`ah or OT was written primarily to explain why faith is more important than law/written explanations & why ritual practices cannot bring any person closer to Him. (our own Hebrew history proves that).

          As for the anti-theists/atheists/agnostics, etc what they are attempting is futile. Trying to disprove history & lineage (OT) or existence of Y`shua (NT) is -IMO- silly and a waste of time. History records these events from a few different perspectives, as you said.

          My perspective is: 'Okay, read the books if necessary, but more important: live by Spirit'. wink

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            lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks Twenty

          2. Mekenzie profile image93
            Mekenzieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Twenty,  So very nice to meet you too!  smile

            I see that you do believe but that your belief is in being led by the Spirit ... is that correct?  It's sometimes hard to communicate through writing..

            Here are some thoughts I had after reading your response. Faith is only as good as the object it is in ... and must be validated by truth.  not my truth, your truth ... it is THE truth ... which I see as being God's Word. 

            The Bereans in the book of Acts were commended for searching the scriptures and examines them every day to see if what Paul said was true.  They tested the validity of those teaching them.   I also thought of 2 Timothy 2:15 "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth."

            My premise is believing that God's Word is Holy and He is the ultimate author.  2Peter 1:21  " For these words did not ever come through the impulse of men: but the prophets had them from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit."

            I don't see the Bible as being all about rules and laws... though we do need direction ....  but it is alot about who God is how He works and how He thinks about us ... He is Father ...  It's alot about Jesus and His teachings and his life and His ultimate sacrifice on the Cross..

            2 Timothy 3:10-17 ... I believe is a great summary of why we have God's word...   2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is God Breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking and training in righteousness so that the man of God may be thoughly equiped for every good work."  As I read this verse I just plain .... believe it ...  ALL scripture is God Breathed meaning it's not written by mere mortal men but Holy men of old were used by God (who is spirit) to write it down...   God Bless YOU!

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              Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              smile

              indeed.
              and you are correct, my full belief is being let by The Spirit whom Y`shua send to lead us into all Truth. Well said.

              I am somewhat rigid when it comes to what is referred to as 'the bible', because aft years of studying Tor`ah & the letters of what's called New Testament, the truth revealed was: not one verse, line, letter could truly bring me Life. Only that same Spirit that raised Y`shua from the dead could raise me from the dead as well.

              It is challenging to explain this to people -from family to strangers along the avenues of churches, denominations and a brief stop over in the ministry...

              Funny, cuz Dean (cheaptrick) called my card on it...lol

              1. Mekenzie profile image93
                Mekenzieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                We do agree dear twenty that it is the Spirit of God that draws one to God and it is the Spirit that teaches us to observe all things...  whatsoever He has commanded us....

                Thanks for a good interchange of thoughts...  Bless you now as you Walk in the Spirit!  :-)

            2. Jerami profile image78
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              @  Mekenzie  ...  I agree with you concerning what Timothy said. The only problem with that is that .. Someone coming along afterwards can add to scripture and we assume that this also falls under the quise of inspired word of God
               
                 Now let us assume that the beast that John saw rising up out of the sea (Rev 13) would add to scripture and proclaim that this also is the inspired word of God.
                  According to scripture this is exactly what he is going to do ...    (Already has done???)

              1. glendoncaba profile image82
                glendoncabaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No "THINK to change times and laws..."

                1. Jerami profile image78
                  Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yea that too...   times and laws.  I think that they have been.   Gods messenger angel Gabriel said it would be so.
                     Let me ask....    ?? 
                     If I have been properly deceived would I know it ?
                     You wouldn't either !
                     So how do we know that we haven't been ?
                    The beast (REV 13) is goina /or  "did" fool most everybody.
                    Yea I'm asking "EVERYBODY" to ask yourselves.    ??   
                  If he has already been here and done that; how would you know ???

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    We know He Loves us.
                    We know we Love Him.
                    We know He is merciful to those who Love Him and who carry a heart fixed on Him.
                    He has promised to save us.
                    He's a Promise-Keeper.

                    If we can't be secure in the knowledge of Him and His promises, we can't be sure of anything. 
                    I say we can be sure of Him.   I say we can be sure that we Love Him, because it's not only a possibility that we're one of His,  it's a choice we make.

                  2. glendoncaba profile image82
                    glendoncabaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    "Will the Son of Man find faith?"

                    You will have been deceived if you are led to disregard the revealed will of God.  Law.  What happened to Eve.

                    Hence the beast cannot change law, only THINK to change times and laws.

                    That's why we need the Bible.  The revealed will of God.  Stick to the Bible and you wont be deceived.

                    1. Jerami profile image78
                      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I agree, if we do not interpretate the scripture to mean something that it does not say.

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                    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    and that Jerami IS the question.

                    how is one to know:

                    by the work of faith within them, the fruit which they bear.
                    the prophets reward is what? the fruit of prophecy, the coming to pass of a thing.

                    the reward of faith is what? righteousness and the gifts of the Spirit.

                    what is the gift of the spirit: love

                    thus fulfilling the law and prophets -the Word in you, having unconditional love -one for another; because the seed of faith is measured to all men and each tree shall bear fruit or not. Those that bear fruit prosper, those that do not are cut down and burned with fire, so that a new tree may grow in its place.

      2. glendoncaba profile image82
        glendoncabaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        righteousness = right doing, just, hence the word justified.  So justified by faith.

        Abraham's works (obeying the command of God) credited to him as righteousness.  Abraham exercised faith in God in his decision.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          well said and correct. hence my point of saying: no need for a book called bible.
          interesting enough, more and more are seeing this daily.
          as another Hubber so emphatically stated: people are dropping out of churches, giving up their membership cards to seek out Purity (righteousness) by that faith.

          If you are a person who looks at enigma/prophecy, you'll see this was to come. soon there will be a generation spotless/blameless with no sin found in them -one born fully of water & Spirit- beyond consciousness of sin...

          1. glendoncaba profile image82
            glendoncabaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            To codify the revealed will of God for education, transmission etc is important.

            The founder of the Christian religion grew up in a religion where every boy by time age 11 knew all of Leviticus by heart.

            "He hath shown thee o man"

            Where?

            Nature and revelation.  Revelation includes Written Word.

            Need to exercise faith to see and understand God in nature and revelation.

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              Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              i cannot fully support revelation via written word, because many instance in Tor`ah prove otherwise. The Word was revealed by Spirit to those from Adam to Y`shua. Take Job, long before Mosaic writing, the Word revealed itself to him by Job's faith.

              It is revealed to those who trust the Spirit.

              Evidence of the Revealed Will (that is Y`shua in the flesh) is by action of faith, manifesting those things of Spirit -for the sake of the unbelieving, the hearer.

              Therefore, hear the Word and do.
              Else deceiving one's self and remain a slave (conscious) of sin.
              What is a slave to do but what their master tells them?

    17. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago

      I think it's a great question. Considering that the Big Three base their beliefs at least partially on at least portions of the varying bibles, it is very relevent.

      I think it has a lot to do with the power of the written word, and the lure of it as well. I mean, some people feel a need to write.

      If it wasn't the bible as we know it, there would still be a bible, only a different one.

      The thing is, I guess, when are we going to put away these childish things.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you

    18. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 6 years ago

      The bible is to govern and keep people from acting like the evolved animals that they are. Some people are too lazy and dependent to form their own individual belief, so they follow others belief.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Marine

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank You. big_smile

    19. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      I tried to read every post since "my" last one.....

         Sorry guys....   The more intelligent that you make yourselves sound; the dizzier I get trying to understand what you are attempting to say.

         When will we ever understand that the more intelligent we perceive ourselves to be, the stupider we get.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hey Jerami, how are things?

        1. Jerami profile image78
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Just ate supper after a long day working.
             how was yours.   
            Honestly  I guess it wasn't so good or I wouldn't have said what I just said.

    20. RKHenry profile image81
      RKHenryposted 6 years ago

      To bore us.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That works for me. smile Millions of words about nothing real is a proper pain in the pos!

    21. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      And bloomin hilarious! Not a single complete thought process! Oh this is beautiful! Gonna hang it on the wall! What a lot of half baked dust this is! lol

      1. aguasilver profile image88
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Earnest, do you remember way back then when we were taught, that sentences had beginning and ends, and we even learned that paragraphs are our friend!

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          smile

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      @ Jerami, again, written word has ability and to an extent power.
      Timothy and company (who, by all terminology, were gnostic) were told to study Tor`ah in order to speak to the Hebrew 'big-wigs'.

      Paul, Peter and John stressed that the 'letter' of the law was what kept all man in prison (which i aptly call the Need To Know Factory). Slaves to the written rule book.

      I just had this conversation with someone. Before the written words, men lived by faith -by every word that proceeded from the mouth of the Creator. Every word. Because every word is what framed all the worlds.

      Sadly, aft 2000+ years, man still remains sin-conscious.
      remove all consciousness of sin & death walk in Spirit. The truth is then automatic, no need to 'learn the truth' because we will be one with the Truth/the Word.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I would have to agree with these things that you have said;  not only these but many others as well.
            I have been focusing mostly on the prophetic message as written in scripture, for these have revealed to me much of what you and many others have been saying. You may think sometimes that I am disagreeing when I am not.  Just expressing the some thing  but from a diffrent prospective.

    23. waynet profile image46
      waynetposted 6 years ago

      Because God had trouble getting his kids to sleep so he wrote a handful of bed time stories for them, but then other people thought they were real events and took that raw public domain material and made money out of it....shame on all that is holy!

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        that was absolutely hilarious - just spit my soda - thanks

    24. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      No, there is a bible because a lot of ignorance allowed a few sicko's to control others and dictate their lives to them. It is still happening right here, right now. smile

    25. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      I live by rules without any bible drivel.
      I don't like rules that involve something that does not exist telling me I need to follow rules like kill everyone who doesn't agree with me.
      I have much nicer rules to live by thanks! smile

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Vivle
        I love it ! lol
        hi earnest ! big_smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Tantrum! smile The V apparently moved on my keyboard to where the B was! lol
          It does have a certain something now you mention it! lol

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It looks great ! I'm going to call it that from now on ! lol

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Cool! You always were a rebel! I love that! lol

              1. tantrum profile image59
                tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                And now I'm also a pitbull.big_smile
                a hubber who's banned from the forums gave me the name

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hey pitbull! What a lovely name! Religionists do have a way with words.... especially abusive ones! lol

                  1. tantrum profile image59
                    tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    lol
                    I don't even know if she was a 'religionist'

                    But I can tell you that this lady doesn't like me at all !
                    lol .
                    lol lol

                    1. earnestshub profile image88
                      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Everyone loves you Tantrum! She HAS to be a religionist! lol

          2. Hokey profile image60
            Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Same thing happened to me but I prayed and it was miraculously fixed.

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Did I mention I have a new computer? Just need to get this bloody new keyboard indoctrinated! lol

              1. Hokey profile image60
                Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Download the bible. Problem solved.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Thank you hokey! You always have an answer to my problems! lol

                  1. Hokey profile image60
                    Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    It wasn't me. At first I thought it was Him but I realized it was my friends parakeet. Boy was I disappointed!!!!    hmm

                    1. earnestshub profile image88
                      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I dunno hokey, our parrot has a lot to say that makes more sense than the religous tomes! lol

      2. Valerie F profile image60
        Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You weren't commanded to kill everyone who doesn't agree with you. Nobody was. And no Bible verse you dig up as "proof" says that either.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, but they do! smile

          1. Valerie F profile image60
            Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            There is no verse that says, "Kill everyone who disagrees with you."

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Then you are splitting hairs! smile

              1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I think you misread that commandment: you are not allowed to EAT hares BECAUSE their hooves are split

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  lol

    26. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 6 years ago

      you fixed it !

      sad

      lol

    27. mlizardo2010 profile image60
      mlizardo2010posted 6 years ago

      yea those are called man made religions, and you know who are the most affected by them, women

    28. 0
      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

      no shit the bible is on line too?  I need a drink.  But I have no bible - isn't that what it's for?  Im so confused.

      1. Hokey profile image60
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        After I discovered this I had to crack a beer myself. Thought maybe wine would be more appropriate but we do what we can.       big_smile

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          lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          suppose we have to.

        2. RKHenry profile image81
          RKHenryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Just finished a couple pints of Bass myself.  Beer, hmmmm.

      2. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol A good friend of mine has the centre cut out and hides his oldest Scotch there! Nobody ever finds it! lol

        1. Jerami profile image78
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          A friend of "mine" ??  hides his scotch there and nobody has found "my" scotch yet ????

        2. Hokey profile image60
          Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Gives a whole new meaning to baptism dont you think?  big_smile

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol

      3. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.kjvbible.net/  online bible.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That's garbage, like all the rest. wink

    29. Cly Walsh profile image61
      Cly Walshposted 6 years ago

      Books are printed and distributed so that others may read them. It's as simple as that. Unless the book is ousted by the ever-evolving moral zeitgeist of a particular nation it is available to legally be promoted by others to read.

      The Bible is necessary if not just for the fact that it is crucial to understand much of the history of certain peoples, civilisations and their actions including but not limited to their laws, folklore, how certain conflicts came to be instigated and also the literature and art they produced.

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

      TANTRUM LOOK AT YOUR BLOODY THREAD ALREADY XO

    31. Hokey profile image60
      Hokeyposted 6 years ago

      I prefer Batman issue #4 myself.  Seems alot more realistic.   big_smile

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well at least Batman was real! smile

        1. Hokey profile image60
          Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          YUP!!!         big_smile

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

      lol lol lol lol

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

      Also,
      Jerami,
      ...Revelation is not to be taken literally, at least most of it.
      Revelation is a warning.  It warns us not to be deceived.  And if you're meaning a reference to being "left behind"......I don't think that's a literal one-time event at all, and not even a literal event, except on the on-going basis of the fact that the Lord comes for someone (many) every single day.   We just gotta be ready.   We must keep our hearts fixed on Him.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think that the timeline that is described in the book of Revelation can be taken literally. A timeline comparison was given in Daniel that also applies with Revelation
           the symbols described in these visions (Rev.) should be seen as meaning the same as those same symbols that were seen and then interpreted by Gabriel as in the book of Daniel.
           To understand Gabriel's interpretations as given in Daniel while refraining from further interpreting them will enable us to understand the book of Revelation with much more clarity.

           But this is just an opinion.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      just a reminder: Y`shua fulfilled BOTH the law and the prophets -Daniel included.
      some mistake Paul's statement in using the gifts of the Spirit in that they should prophecy. But this prophecy was not of things to come but of the one who had come and fulfilled all-in-all.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        At the time that Paul made those statements Jesus had fulfilled all but one prophesy concerning him. His coming again during that generation that he spoke to.
           Also Jesus foretold that that Hebrew nation shall fall by the edge of the sword and be lead away captive until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      there is no 'all but one' because He fulfilled all law & prophecy.
      the 'time of the gentiles' is also referred to as the time of Jacobs trouble.

      what was Jacobs' trouble?

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Off the top of my head I would have to assume that this is referring to the times after God told him to leave his homeland.
        Or this is to be talking about a great tribulation that Jesus told Peter James, John and Andrew that they were going to endure.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      Well, let's look at history. Jacob who is called Isra`el.

      Jeremiah speaks of this and states: he will be saved of it.
      (the word saved in Hebrew is the same word for salvation we know today).

      it is interesting to note that this time period was a time which BOTH Judah & Israel were going through tribulation/trouble. That He would save them both.

      Why both Judah (son of Jacob) and Israel (Father of Judah)?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      give you a hint: the groaning would be like NO OTHER, but they would be saved of it. What are the groaning of the spirit, like those of a woman in labor...

    38. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      There were many prophesy directed at that Hebrew Nation that ceased to exist around 135 to 138 AD.  These prophesy were fulfilled before they ceased to exist as a nation.

    39. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      don't want anyone thinking that I'm ignoring them. 
      It's about time for me to fall down till mornin.
         No rest for the weary... gotta go fix stuff on other peoples housed some more tomorrow mornin.  so good night ..Yaul.

    40. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

      As stated in my hub about absolutism in religion, the bibles are important because they are like the first math books. The ones that taught us addition and subtraction. Without first learning how to add and subtract we could not ever learn things like algebra, geometry, calculus and so on.

      They are not the know all and end all that people want them to be however. We(humanity) have progressed to a level where addition and subtraction are no  longer enough, we need new books, books that teach us advanced math, maybe even long division, and multiplication...

      In My Humble Opinion...

      The Bibles must evolve just like the math books do.

      http://www.nbend.k12.or.us/staff/mschulze/books.jpg

      1. AEvans profile image71
        AEvansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree! smile

        So now that they question has been answered, "Why do we have this thread?" smile

    41. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      The bible is needed so we can see who is nuts and reads it. smile

    42. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

      your posts are needed so we can see who's nuts

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well I apologise, you are obviously an expert on the subject! lol

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          lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Earnest, proud to be nuts right along side ya buddy
          btw what thread is this
          lol lol

          1. Faybe Bay profile image83
            Faybe Bayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            This is why we have a Bible. "You have to watch what your doin"


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A1zOOW6p5c

          2. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It is "Why is there a bible" ... a fine question! lol
            Nice to see you!

            1. Faybe Bay profile image83
              Faybe Bayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Just in case these guys didn't see it elsewhere. an encore.
              Cliff Richard and Larry Norman! Rare Performance two songs.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVNIqeow3Z4

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Cliff doesn't seem to age does he? He looked so fit in this clip. smile

                1. Faybe Bay profile image83
                  Faybe Bayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes I have been searching for more good clips, this one is good. Might even get to post it on political forum without fear of highjacking.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4qJYjDPZ78

        2. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          keep reading i think you'll learn

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol

    43. Onusonus profile image87
      Onusonusposted 6 years ago

      Though penned by scribe, the Bible was dictated by the words of Christ. It is a living testament of the sacrifice of Jesus, and the standard to live by in order to become true servents of God.

      1. goldenpath profile image81
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thoroughly agree! smile

      2. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Religion existed before Jesus. Therefore, you statement cannot possibly be true. smile

        And, on another point- Jesus knew Religion's "god" was false. wink

        1. Valerie F profile image60
          Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Religion existed before Jesus, but nobody said the Bible was the scripture for all religions.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The Bible, this includes ALL BIBLES or are you just being foolish for some reason? hmm

            Religion's "GOD" concept existed before Jesus. Thus, anything after Jesus deems Religion's "GOD" as false, makes it lies.

            Jesus knew Religion's "GOD" concept was a lie.

            Is that a better understanding for you? Or does it need to be explained in more detail for you? roll

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Dictated to who, exactly?

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          God dictated to moses thats why it took 40 days on the mount. Solomon wrote proverbs. Im just naming a few because really you could google this information. Isaiah was dictated to isaiah, lol... the gospel of the new testament was dictated to the disciples of christ, lets see what are the names of the books, oh yah, matthew, mark, luke and john.. thats right, god dictated these books to the people who the books are named after lol. Paul wrote a bunch of books or letters and so did Peter, probably 1 and 2 peter. lol.
          need i explain it anymore?

    44. 0
      rhartlandsbergposted 6 years ago

      People's memories aren't that good. They had to write it down to remember it all. : )

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        thats because EVERY word and syntax is so important that memory failed at the huge task and because people in every country needed a copy. Its called foresight.

    45. adoherty profile image60
      adohertyposted 6 years ago

      Back to the original question. A complete answer would take at least a book, and what follows is necessarily from the point of view of the Christian faith, particularly as held and practiced by the Christian community, although others that don't share that faith still sometimes find wisdom in the Bible.

      Understanding  the Bible depends on understanding the relationship between God and humankind. We can't know God in his essence -- that would require actually being God. We can know him as he chooses to reveal himself to us. This he has done in a variety of ways, but all in and through human experience, culminating in the Incarnation: God becoming human in the person of Jesus. The history of God's revelation of himself is recorded in the Bible, but as experienced by humans. The first transmission of these records was of course oral. Eventually they were written down, some sooner (Paul), some later (gospels, much of the OT).

      The writings took many forms: chronicles, moral precepts, compilations of wisdom and lore, poetry, letters, targeted messages, stories told to make a point. Their assembly into a single collection took much time and a great deal of sorting out. The title itself comes from the Greek "ta biblia -- the books," thus more nearly a library bound into a single volume. The belief of the church, here meaning the entire Christian community under the leadership of the apostles and their successors, was that the whole process, from the revelatory events and meditations, to their being passed on orally and then recorded in writing, to the gathering and sorting of the writings, was guided by God through the presence of his spirit in the church, individually and collectively.

      The Bible, then, is part of the tradition which is the life of the church. Tradition literally means receiving something passed down, and then handing it on. For the Christian community the Bible is a living source of its faith and life as it tries to respond to God's revelation of himself to humans. But it exists precisely as part of humans' efforts to make that response, by remembering, doing, and then passing on the faith.

    46. aware profile image70
      awareposted 6 years ago

      its just a book like any other why the need ? entertainment

    47. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      I want everyody to know that I'm not as stupid as I think that I am either.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        smile

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol lol lol

        Im so fanning you just for that post

        nicely done.

    48. waynet profile image46
      waynetposted 6 years ago

      So we can have extra toilet paper for all!!

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Randy recommends it for rolling joints in. smile

    49. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      I agree. I have not seen any explanation and very little concern about the starving masses from religionists.
      I would have thought the plight of these children would be heart wrenching to everyone!

      1. Valerie F profile image60
        Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It is. But nothing commands atheists to give a rat's rear. So why do you care, except to use the fact that children starve as an indictment against believers?

        It's an indictment against everyone, especially against people who use the plight of the poor to put down other people.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's an indictment against your gods who do nothing but serve the prayers and whims of those who believe such nonsense while others starve to death in abject poverty.

          It's an indictment against those who thank their gods.

          1. brotheryochanan profile image60
            brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I thought sin was the indictment, because sin is why the world is where it is. God revealed himself to humans, eve said no thanks and adam joined right along, hence the indictment is that animal man makes his own decisions, rules and does what he wants. That's the indictment. The fact that people starve is probably because the amount of money the food for africa corps (for example) spends on administration is outrageous and only a small percentage of food for starving people is purchased. Perhaps a corrupt government is fleecing its people with taxes and depricating an otherwise affluent lifestyle?
                  Now you blame God but really animal man is pulling the strings. Now you want God to step in and make things as though mankind never sinned, by taking the reigns and running the food for africa corps and your country that overtaxes you. How about god speak to you through his book and holy spirit and you be the holiest person on the planet and do things right! Then talk to me about what god isn't doing properly.

          2. Valerie F profile image60
            Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hey, my God told everyone to feed the poor. If you don't listen, it's your fault.

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              (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Why doesn't your god feed them? You shouldn't be getting the lions share of his attention. Perhaps, you and yours are high maintenance, hence he has to spend his time on you rather than feeding them.

              1. Jerami profile image78
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I don't remember the chapter and verse but God is said to have proclaimed that when a country has ungodly leaders that the people will suffer.  So I guess that the leaders of those countries that so many are starving are responsible for those circumstance that that country is enduring.

                   Que....  you seem to be doing the exact thing that you accuse everyone else of doing. Blaming God when things don't go the way that you think that it should  and taking credit when they do.

                  You need to admit that you just like to argue.
                  I once had a child like that.

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                  (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Some of those leaders are Christians, Jerami, maybe even more "godly" than you.

                  Of course, your holy book has all the answers. Your devious little god has already foretold such events and relishes in their daily plight, doing nothing all the while.

                   

                  You don't comprehend very well sometimes, Jerami.

                   

                  Really? Isn't that nice. Must have been a smart kid.

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        To some here those children represent a test of their faith, that they were placed here to live and starve for the Mormon's sake.

    50. jamckinnon profile image61
      jamckinnonposted 6 years ago

      The Bible fortels of famine and pestilence and war, everyone is aware of these situations including the religionist.
      The world only makes sense when taking into consideration Biblical explenation such as sin and brothrly love, forgiveness.
      There is to much love for money and not enough love for our brothers and sisters, are we not our brothers keeper and this includes our sisters. The Bible is a book with many sides to it theres a moral and spiritual side the history aspect and finaly the prophetic aspect of it.
      Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
      God bless us all.

    51. Rod Marsden profile image86
      Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago

      The bible came about when two rival arms of Christianity met in Rome. An agnostic preacher came up with the idea of combining the old testament with new testament writings that pushed forward his agnostic Christian beliefs. The Catholics took this as a challenge to their authority and so had to come up with a book that also combined the old testament with new testament writings. The Catholic version has survived and is what we today call the bible. The gnostic version as far as I know did not survive though certainly parts of it did. That's it in a nutshell.

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        too nutty of a shell...no links, no backup, no quotes, no reference points except your own opinion. I give it a 2 outta 10. Your summation of the "catholic version surviving and is what we call the bible", is clearly YOUR opinion and i don't happen to share your opinion. You come across very matter of fact and i am not buying your condensed assumption that the non catholic version of the bible didn't survive. My king james canonized bible is doing just fine, with even the NIV right behind it in sales. I have to order a catholic bible with apocrypha included because it is not on the shelves, and i do have one because i enjoy a good chuckle from time to time.

        1. Rod Marsden profile image86
          Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Your King James version of the bible is based on the catholic version. The Protestant movement was concerned with everyone being able to read the bible and make up their own minds about it. Not until the 19th Century did protestant scholars wonder about the bible's authenticity or looked around for what examples there might still be of writings about Christ that didn't make it into the New Testament.

              The King James bible came about when it was decided that the English should have an official state approved version of the bible in the language of the people. There had been earlier English language versions of the bible not that different from the King James but they were not state sanctioned  and were generally speaking underground versions. The penalty for having a non-approved English version of the bible was death.


          The King James bible is an English language version with a few touches here and there to move with the times and to make King James the first of England and the 6th of Scotland happy. For example they changed for him the line: 'Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live' to 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live'. This also went with the politics of the day. King James thought himself an expert on the evils of witchcraft and had even written a book on the subject.

          Yes since then the King James bible has been further modernized. At its roots, however, like other Protestant bibles it is based on what catholics decided should go in and what should stay out of the New Testament. As far as I know the old testament writings were not interfered with at all.

          By the time of King James not many people would have known much about the Gnostics or Gnostic Christianity. The scholars of the day were fine with Latin and with Greek. They may have also been fine with Hebrew. I doubt very much that they would have had access to documentation either ignored or savagely put down by the Western Church just before the time of Constantine onwards. (Constantine also altered the focus of Christianity when he made it his state religion.)

          No. The Protestant scholars firmly believed in the bible as they knew it. They saw their task firmly as simply taking what they have always known as the truth and, being as careful and as accurate as they could while remaining in the king's good graces, presenting it to people who could not read Latin and had very little idea about the Greek language. 

          Check out The testament of Saint Thomas and also The testament of Mary for two items that did not make the Catholic cut and cannot be found in Protestant or Catholic bibles.

          There are other examples. Some bits and pieces of what didn't make the cut survive to this day. Other examples do not. The catholic authorities in the early centuries tried very hard to destroy all documents relating to Christ that did not agree with their points of view. The catholics were strongly opposed to the idea of reincarnation though not all Christians or early Christian documents were so opposed.


          For further details look up the documentary Jesus the Evidence. It is also available in paperback form. I know you are comfortable with your own theology and like the Catholics you  sound like someone who can't stand the light of what history is still able to show us. Strangely enough it is the Protestants that are at the forefront of discovering the true Jesus.

          1. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            @Rod Marsden   Thanks for a simply stated truth.

               What would religion be like today if a diffrent set of writtings had been accepted into the cannon.

               When the family tree of religion is examined...  We find that all Christian denominations has one Mother. 
               The Church that Constantine built.
               This Church was built upon  SOME  truth as its foundation.
            And it left out SOME truth for whatever reasons that it had.

            1. Rod Marsden profile image86
              Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks Jerami. You got it in one. Those bishops who did not agree with Christianity according to Constantine were banished to the far corners of the empire. Those who stubbornly preached ideas that went against mainstream Christianity in Constantine's empire got the death penalty. Yes the Church Constantine built was based on some truth and had some truth as its foundation. And as for what was left out or put down as blasphemous, well, we can follow some of the politics but not all of it. The Catholic or universal church did a pretty good job of destroying what they felt had to be destroyed and it has only been in the last 200 years that scholars have tried to piece together the remains.

    52. BL Tween profile image60
      BL Tweenposted 6 years ago

      B asic
      I nstructions
      B efore
      L eaving
      E arth

    53. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      Biggest
      Ill-conceived
      Bullshit
      Learning
      Exclusivity club(bible thumpers use it like a club)

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        smile

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hey Earnest, I know this isn't on topic, but are you planning on staying at 69 hubs? lol

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Look I gotta say, it is a fair question! So you have noticed eh? Every time I get over 69 hubs, I find one to delete!
            Got any new ones I should read?

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I believe that. big_smile

    54. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      Blimey
      It
      Beats
      learning
      entirely!

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol

    55. joshuachlim profile image60
      joshuachlimposted 6 years ago

      I struggle with this, given it is man written and contains tales that cannot be proven.
      If someone has faith could that not be enough?
      what would be different if the various editions of bibles didn't exist?
      hi lyricsingray, i have to disagree with you strongly.

      how can u have faith without the Rhema Word?
      what u read n understand is only Logos word, which has no life
      but only head knowledge.
      there is a big difference between a living word and a printed word, between a breath-given Word and an ordinary spoken word.

      whether there is a bible or not, that's not the main issue.
      for our modern convenience, like washing machine n a coffee maker,it is the same whether i make my own coffee with my hand or use the machine; it tastes almost the same.
      it's the same whether i hear the Word direct from Jesus's mouth at the mount of olives or hear the preacher preached or read for myself from the bible..it tastes n sound the same.
      the difference is how i hear n receive it in my heart, as a Rhema Word or a Logos word.

      the bible says...
      "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was God"John1

      to my dear sister,this is what i like to say to u...

      God cares for you. You must turn to Him always, depending on Him.
      He'll surely help you; He'll never fail you.
      His love endures forever. You're very precious in His sight.
      You're special to God. He accepts you as you are.
      His love for you is Agape love, a fatherly love.
      He's gentle and longsuffering.
      He even counts every hair on your head...really!
      He sends a guardian angel to protect you when you sleep,
      even wherever you may go.
      Your well-being is in the centre of His heart.
      If God is your father, you can be sure He'll take good care of you.
      Although you cannot see Him with your natural eyes,
      He is always there watching over you,
      for our God never slumber.
      So get to know your heavenly Father by reading His Word -the bible -
      about His love and nature, and all the great promises He has prepared for you.
      His love for you is so great, that when His presence touches you,
      you'll melt and just cry...because it's beyond expressions.

      So the Lord is saying....

      Knowing Me just by My name
      and knowing Me truly,
      like knowing My feelings and My character
      are totally two different things.

      Reading the bible with true understanding
      is important.

      Do not use human strength to think,
      but allow Me to open your heart,
      open your mind
      to new revelations and discoveries.

      There're many truths in the bible
      that mere human eyes cannot see.

      I desire your undivided and true love from your heart,
      and not something you've to do as a routine
      in order to please Me.

      What really matters to Me
      is your heart and feelings towards Me.

      Everybody has done something bad in his/her life.
      Apostle Paul also did many wrong things that hurt My heart,
      but still I not only forgave him but used him for My kingdom.

      I  see things differently.
      What are bad can become good in My perfect time and will.

      I just want people to come back to Me,
      and be with Me, to dwell in My presence,
      and have fellowship and relationship with Me.

      Therefore walk your life together with Me.

      People tend to leave Me out of their lives,
      because they don't realise how much I actually notice them,
      and care and love them.

      I AM not some dictator being stuck to My throne,
      sitting in heaven and doing nothing.

      On the contrary, I AM always alert,
      and ever ready to talk to you
      if only you give Me the chance.

      My child, be simple, have a little faith,
      and only believe,
      and you'll find it easier to draw closer to Me.

      Our souls are cleansed through obedience to God's truth in God's Word.
      You purify yourself by obeying the truth,
      obeying God's voice in God's Word.
      The truth of God's Word has life, gives life and nourishes life.

      Wrong attitudes in our hearts make us
      lose appetite for the pure word of God.
      When we stop feeding on the Word of God,
      we stop growing, and we stop tasting
      the grace that we find in the Lord.

      Obedience is a constant dependence on a moment by moment fellowship with God.
      It is trust in God's will.
      It is joy of hearing God's voice, which gives the strength.
      God's voice gives power to obey His Word.

      The heart of God is in His voice, in His Word.

      Thanks for listening.

      May God comforts you and strengthens you
      by His Spirit and through His Word.
      May your mind be enlightened by His Word,
      and His peace and assurance be with you.

      In Christ,
      Joshua

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ok that qualify' as a hub, seriously im too sleepy too read that much josh

        give a gal a break ok?

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          why don't u read it in two or three sittings.. instead of cramming it all into one quick read. You are a bit nuts arent ya. No wonder you cant understand the bible if your reading habits are like you say they are. There's a thing called study or meditation.. not the meditation of the world which wants you to empty your mind of all thoughts, you may have already done that, but  a meditation where you ponder, mull over, get the words into your head and think about them, lttle by little, line upon line... slowly with purpose. It is actually a pretty good post, better than the cheap one liners we get in here from our usual people who think they know it all.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            She happens to be a friend, and I don't think you calling her nuts is justified.





            @Earnest

            I've written two hubs recently, both on "Ignorance". One is a poem. Thank you for asking. smile

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I am going "over there" now to take a peek! smile

          2. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL Considering your profile statement, that is rich. lol



            So - I take it you are yet another one here just to spread the hatred? Great..........

    56. joshuachlim profile image60
      joshuachlimposted 6 years ago

      sorry lyricsingray, a beautiful name.
      God really loves u.
      Give Him a chance n see your life changed forever.
      sleep well n sweet dreams

    57. aware profile image70
      awareposted 6 years ago

      to read?

    58. Rayalternately profile image59
      Rayalternatelyposted 6 years ago

      more importantly, how do they make the paper that thin! big_smile

     
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