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What do you know about Mormons?

  1. Routledge profile image85
    Routledgeposted 6 years ago

    What do you know about Mormons?

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      A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They like Utah.

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
        prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        why do they like UTAH?

        They dont eat meat nor drink spirits???

        1. tobey100 profile image61
          tobey100posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          They like football cause they knock on my door everytime a games on.

        2. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We do eat meat, just not to excess.  You are right - no spirits!  Alcohol is a no no.  sad

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            Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Didn't I see you say egg nog is a favorite treat of yours in another thread? From my understanding, egg nog is slightly alcoholic...

            1. goldenpath profile image82
              goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, there is alcoholic egg nogg.  I only endulge in the dairy egg nogg which is not alcoholic.  In fact, I love homemade egg nogg.  It rocks!  If this beverage had the history of being alcoholic and was commonly know to be such I would not touch it.  According to scripture we are to avoid even the very appearance of evil.  Since it does not I shall treat my taste buds to the soothing holiday sweet drink. smile

          2. dpfitzell profile image72
            dpfitzellposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Dont eat meat in excess. That must be you personally. Because all of the mormons I know eat meat like it is going out of style.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We eat meat.big_smile

    2. Arthur Fontes profile image90
      Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The magical mysterious tablets never seen but fully memorized.

      1. goldenpath profile image82
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, it's awesome.  Do you want to know why they are not around?  It's because after the translation of the plates the Church was to learn by and master faith.  We have the record in print before us.  We need not be lured into worshipping golden plates in some hall of museum somewhere.  It's all about faith.  We are given the record in the written word.  Now it's up to us to apply the teaching and gain that personal witness of it's truthfulness.

        Even the Lord told Thomas, "You believe because you have seen.  Blessed are they who have not seen - yet believe."

        Thanks for the inquiry.  For us it's all about faith which is why, as Q reminds us, even Mormons sometimes fall by the wayside.  Everybody is human and none of us are protected from the vices of sin.  Except, of course, the children and all those who are not accountable for their own actions.

        1. dpfitzell profile image72
          dpfitzellposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I was a mormon for many years. I have done a lot of research and none of the city's in the book of mormon exist for one example. In the bible you can trace things and places.  Friend the prophet tells you not to do research on the book of mormon or into your religion, that is not to keep you safe it is to keep you away from the truth.  A formor Mormon.

          1. dpfitzell profile image72
            dpfitzellposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I have nothing personally against mormons my sister is one, and most of my relativies are mormons and I love them very much..

        2. Davidsonofjesie profile image61
          Davidsonofjesieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          we need to save all the nitpicking for non-believers,they do that just fine all by there selfs,we need not help there cause

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I take it you missed the last 2000 years of you people fighting amongst yourselves as to which invisible super being is the right one huh? You might want to try reading a few books other than your bastardized bible sweetie pie. You could might learn something.

            What if the MUSLIMS are right? wink

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              sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You're absolutly pathetic.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well - personal attacks aside - their story makes no less sense that yours.

                But still - is this a scary question for you? - or do you respect their beliefs as just as plausible as yours?

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                  sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  We are clearly instructed to not speak against any other church or belief system. What do you have to gain in this thread by going after people?

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Just educating the ignorant. I realize you think I am pathetic because I am trying to get people to drop this ridiculous belief - that ALWAYS ends in conflict.

                    I know - liberal pacifists are scum as far as you are concerned - and are causing the horrible ruin to society compared to when there was segregation but - you know what?

                    Not caring.

                    You have attacked me often enough in the LOL guise of protecting the weak LOL that I am more determined than ever to destroy this nonsense. Thanks. wink

                    You can speak against liberals and homosexuals though huh? lol lol

            2. Davidsonofjesie profile image61
              Davidsonofjesieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              if donkeys had wings they could fly!!!

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                So - their beliefs are not true then?

                They are lying or something?

                And yours are correct? lol

    3. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They're fools. Nothing more. smile lol lol

      1. Daniel Carter profile image90
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Who have LOTS of company, as we clearly see!
        wink

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          A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hee,hee

        2. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          True enough. smile tongue lol lol

    4. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      OK, guys, I'm here!  As everyone knows I am a Mormon and have been in leadership for many years.  Here is your chance to hear it first hand.  What would you like to know, or was this thread posted for the sake of condescending the faith of fourteen million people?

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What is the purpose of the underwear.  Are these garments for all LDS members or just certain branches?

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It would take too long to explain so I will refer you to one of my hubs.  The title is quite clear.  I thank you for your sincere question.

      2. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Probably to make fun of your ridiculous beliefs and passive aggressive attacks on those of us with some common sense. But good luck in your upcoming god-hood. Love the passive aggressive attacks by the way - I am passing your details on to my Mum. I thought she was a expert until I met you guys.

        Sorry about the "unprovoked attacks" you must be suffering all the time. lol lol lol

        Tell us about the special underwear. I bet Ron is keen to know about that. lol lol lol lol

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          welpladymamaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          you feel big and smart right now dont you? yes others do not want to attack you and give you even more reason to hate mormons (as you obviously do) but i am willing to admit that I am not that big of a person, so to hell with what you call "passive aggressive" attacks. You are a know it all ass hole, who should pull his head out of his ass and stop thinking he knows everything. And yes i am personally attacking you, but that is because i have recieved a good feel of your character from your posts, but i will not attack your family, or faith, or political views, or sexual orientation.. nope just you cause i don't like ya! And I hate that you mock what you don't know. I am not positive that the Church or Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true, but i'm positive there views are respectable and they don't deserved to be mocked by a moron like you.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Wow! Did you really mean to dig that big a hole then fall in it?
            You just said more about who you are than you meant to I think! lol lol lol

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why do Mormons believe that the plight of others is a test of their faith? Do they believe that everyone else was put here for their enjoyment?

    5. Support Med. profile image79
      Support Med.posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have not met any Mormons, and although I cannot say that I am an expert when it comes to "The Book of Mormon,"  I have read a great portion of it and the best I can say is, it's GREAT!!  It got me through a really rough emotional season in my life and every now and then still refer back to some of those scriptures, they still lift me up!  During that season in my life, I felt drawn to that book, did not have it at the time and one day while out, not even looking for it, there it was.  For me, it has been just as inspirational as the "Holy Bible."

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        theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That is absolutely brilliant!! Thanks for sharing smile

    6. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They're extremely gullible.

      1. angelrose18 profile image60
        angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Might I ask, gullible about what?

        1. Pandoras Box profile image82
          Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Specifically, their religion. But then most religious people are gullible about their own religion. I do rather think mormons are especially gullible, however, given everything we know about Joseph Smith, the obvious farce of his translations and revelations, and the total lack of any evidence to support his twisted version of history.

          Welcome to Hubpages! It was nice of you to join up today and join the conversation!

    7. brimancandy profile image83
      brimancandyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I was once a mormon, it wasn't that exciting. I was also a member of a baptists church, and have spent a few sundays in a catholic church. This is one of the reasons why I no longer follow any religion. Because none of them can agree on which story is right.

      But, I am at the point in my life where I could care less.

    8. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That they knock doors all the time ! mad


      lol

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      lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Im not one lol

      1. Hokey profile image61
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Me Neither  lol

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      cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



      just what i see on "Big Love".

    11. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They have great potluck dinners! smile

    12. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They have some of the most unique sets of ties. smile

    13. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They have a first rate Strengthening Marriage class and also a Strengthening Family class.  They also have a top notch addiction recovery program that many community agencies refer people to.

    14. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Regardless of what many faiths teach their congregations, the Latter-day Saints do not have tails and horns.

    15. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They make great jello, corn bread and apple pie at our potlucks. smile No hunger there!

    16. IntimatEvolution profile image81
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They murdered a whole town of it's people, in Northern Arkansas with Joseph Smith at the lead.  They dressed like Indians, and used to go raid communities stealing the children, murdering the men, and stealing the cattle.

    17. pylos26 profile image77
      pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Did you mean morons or mormons?

  2. Flightkeeper profile image78
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    They are nice and have big families

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      theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We sure do!  I have 63 nieces and nephews - thinking of changing my name from awwbutmum to auntycanIplease smile

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        wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        He he he he...  Oh, how fun though.

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    StormRyderposted 6 years ago

    They  always come knocking on my door when I'm naked...or about to get that way....They must be psychic?? tongue

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      A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's me knocking! OPEN THE DOOR!

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        StormRyderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, come on it Texan...it's cold outside tongue

        1. Pandoras Box profile image82
          Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          A Texan wrote:
          That's me knocking! OPEN THE DOOR!

          Stormryder replied:
          Oh, come on it Texan...it's cold outside.




          That was an interesting response. lol

          1. Randy Godwin profile image95
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't want to say anything, I figured some lady would though! HA!

            1. Pandoras Box profile image82
              Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Really? I figured some man already had! wink

              1. Randy Godwin profile image95
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I once heard one of the wives of a Mormon man say "men are light and women are dark."  I am serious!

                1. angelrose18 profile image60
                  angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  One thing, and it's a common misconception so don't feel bad, but we no longer believe in polygamy. So that would be "a wife", singular. smile The rest of your comment was simply ridiculous. Many people joke around that "women are of the devil" but it's just a joke. I don't even know if it's stircly a joke made by Mormons or not.

    2. thisisoli profile image66
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The just have good binoculars tongue

  4. Daniel Carter profile image90
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    A lot. I have lots of them in my family.

    They are nice people who mean well and are sincere. (At least I think that's true about a lot of them. But Utah prisons are filled with exMormons as well as ex-everything-elses, from what I've learned.)  But for the most part, they are like a lot of other conservative Christians trying to save humanity from themselves.

    The FLDS are a break off from mainstream Mormons. Mainstreamers don't practice polygamy, break off sects often do. However, to most people that's irrelevant.

  5. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    http://www.moronchurch.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/garments.jpg

    Apparently, underwear plays a prominent role in their faith.

  6. Ivorwen profile image85
    Ivorwenposted 6 years ago

    Quite a bit.  One of my close friends is a devote LDS woman, who is more than willing to share anything about the religion one could want to know.

    Also, my husband was raised in Mormon territory, and grew up getting an ear full.

  7. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    I know that Marie was a little bit country, while Donny tended to like Rock and Roll

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    I agree flightkeeper, they are nice folk.

    Very Puritan/Quaker similarities, save use of mechanics/machines.
    Practical living w/strong undertones of family/community.
    Neglect Spiritual living but revere the Father & Y`shua as absolute principle.

    The prophet thing, in certain sects, is weird.
    The polygamy thing, in certain sects, is not all that unrealistic. it has been practiced for thousands of years.
    The Joseph Smith prophet thing arguable, but so is all 'prophecy/enigma'.

  9. skyfire profile image71
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Though Mormons hate skeptics like me, they're not bad folks, practical and little bit pushy sometimes.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't hate you or anyone else.  Diversity in perception is a good thing. smile

  10. donotfear profile image89
    donotfearposted 6 years ago

    I always wondered why they don't call it The Church of Joseph Smith of Latter Day Saints, being that the whole doctrine is actally based on his vision through the angel Moroni.

    Wonderful followers, for sure. I was married to a man who was raised in this religion, though he wasn't practicing the faith. Lots of different ideas from mainstream Protestants. I have nothing negative to say about them.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'll answer that one for you.  Through revelation, from the Prophet Joseph Smith, the name of the Church was to be, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  Not Mormon Church, not Joseph Smith Church or anything else.

      1. dpfitzell profile image72
        dpfitzellposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was a mormon for many years. There are things, if you knew about them, like in temple rituals you would be shocked and would be thinking of a cult .I will not go into here because I want to live. lol.

    2. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The beginnings of the Church came through, largely, through Joseph Smith.  However, the success of the Church in it's membership came through personal witnesses of the spirit to them.  Had no witness been discernably given, the Church would have collapsed long ago.  The revelations, doctrines and translation gifted through this prophet were a literal restoration of the original Church of Jesus Christ as He organized it during His own ministry.  This "restoration" was said to happen in the last days and is in the Holy Bible.  In the Bible it's called "restitution of all things".

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    (Q)posted 6 years ago

    Mormons believe all the starving children in the world are a test of their faith to god.

    1. angelrose18 profile image60
      angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That is incorrect. Nowhere has the General Authorities ever said any such thing.

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It was claimed so by a Minister here and other LDS members.

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          welpladymamaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          err mormons don't have ministers actually

  12. Obscurely Diverse profile image60
    Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago

    I've heard about some of those mormon freaks, believing in polygamy.
    Sounds interesting and fun, in a non-religious way.   So..., I guess that would make them versatile, right? Or is that called, "spreading the word?"  Ha-ha!

  13. WriteAngled profile image90
    WriteAngledposted 6 years ago

    I know a little about Mormons. I have been impressed with Goldenpath's description of their farms and factories, which produce food to help the hungry. I am not so keen on their door-to-door activities.

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      foreignpressposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Allow me to interject something quickly. Last night, while reading a thread on Mormonism posted two weeks ago, I was impressed with the eloquence of Goldenpath and with the forceful and articulate replies attacking the faith. In fact, I was so mezmerized by Goldenpath's expert choice of words that I followed the thread to its conclusion rather watch a Matt Damon karate movie which I had been hoping to see. I have no interest in Mormonism. But if Goldenpath were to write a book on any subject I would be the first in line to buy it based solely on the man's expert use of the English language. These threads alone would make fascinating reading. Sorry. Please continue . . .

      1. goldenpath profile image82
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Deeply humbled I am at your kind words of encouragement.  Subscribing to the principles of the Latter-day Saint faith is truly secondary to what you have simply done here.  With kind words you have reached out and made your voice heard.  That shows great integrity and exemplary character.  You have a follower of your work - in me.  It is these characteristics that will ultimately prove a person's worth in the kingdom of God, not religious affiliation.  I am truly moved that I have affected someone out there in a positive way, not through conversion but through understanding which is what I have been striving for on HubPages since day one.  However, the credit is not mine, but yours.  For it is you who have taken the information, processed it, formed your own conclusion and expressed your opinion.  In affect, you have reached out your hand.  The clasping of another hand in the process IS the process and formation of peace - which is what's so desperately needed in this world.  Thanks again!

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    poetlorraineposted 6 years ago

    i have had lots of conversations with mormons. I would not actually agree with some of their teachings, but admire there dedication, they give up a lot of their time, in pursuit of helping others embrace, what they feel is the true religion.  They are always nice people, and are polite and smartly dressed.

  15. qwark profile image61
    qwarkposted 6 years ago

    My father was converted to mormonism. Based on my father, I have to say they're "nuts!"

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We do like nuts - walnuts, pecans, blanched, honey roasted.  So from that perspective - you're right! smile

  16. WriteAngled profile image90
    WriteAngledposted 6 years ago

    Welcome, Goldenpath. I am willing to listen to your point of view, but I continue to maintain I do not like being harassed on my doorstep. If literature is put through my door, I may read it. However, my days are busy with work, and I resent being disturbed.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I sincerely respect your dislike.  Part of our doctrine is that we are a proselyting church.  However, we respect those who do not like being disturbed.  Here are two avenues that will save you and the Mormon missionaries a lot of time and harsh feelings:
      1)  By law we are not to approach a residence that has displayed, "No Solicitators."  This is one avenue.
      2)  The other is to contact the area church leader, usually either called the Ward Bishop or Branch President, and directly tell them  to please have all missionaries refrain from coming to you.

      I would suggest the first, and here's why.  It is often easy for our sincere missionaries to get attached to the people and area that they are in.  To help keep them focused they are often "transferred" or rotated to other areas.  They do keep notes for the oncoming missionaries to take their place but, being human, notes do get lost at times.

      Hope this helps.

  17. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    I judge all religions based on the quality and quantity of food that is served during important holidays.

    What is served during a Mormon holiday gathering?

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The same as everyone else.

      Actually, we do not have especial holidays as many other faiths.  We do have Pioneer Commemoration Day in July.  This is a recognition of the Mormon Pioneer' entering the Great Salt Lake Valley after they were forced out of Illinois in the early 1800's.

      Nothing special by way of foods.  We do, however, have a code of health called the Word of Wisdom.  To make a long story short we refrain from coffees, certain teas, tobacco and for some even caffeinated drinks.  This is all to maintain health and cleanliness that we may be receptive to the spirit at all times upon our worthiness.

      Thanks for the question! smile

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thats pretty cool. I have to agree that I love food! Word of Wisdom sounds interesting. I kinda have that for myself. But it is more to experience the most out of life possible.

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That's great!  Personal health is very important.  It makes you feel better and think clearer.  For us, we believe that our physical bodies are literal temples to be kept sacred and clean.  In so doing we, each, may be more receptive to the promptings and warnings of the holy spirit.  That which is holy does not dwell in unholy temples.  Following the Word of Wisdom also builds character as it teaches mastery of the self and resistance to the temptations to partake of those substances.

          I am part of a local association of ministers.  At each monthly meeting they are continually amazed that I will not take the coffee they offer there.  The funny thing is that the meeting is at our building next month.  Let's see how they like not having coffee that morning. smile

      2. dpfitzell profile image72
        dpfitzellposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Shoot! back when I was young drinking coke was a sin, I would get in big trouble for drinking a coke.  Now I see mormons drinking coke like water. What ever happened to the not drinking coke days of my youth.

        1. angelrose18 profile image60
          angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Mostly just members of the church not realizing that coke is not really good for them and justifying it by saying that the Word of Wisdom doesn't specifically say not to. However, coke was not around back when the Word of Wisdom was created and people are supposed to be WISE about what they consume, hence the name.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    GP, what exactly is "The Principle"?

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      In what context are you referring to?  We speak of lots of principles.  There is no overwhelming doctrine, book or practice called "The Principle".  Please let me know in what context you heard it referred to and I will explain.

      Thanks, bud.  By the way, that was a neat post on the other thread.  Sort of like horse racing. smile

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        jeje. thanks.

        I have a few fundamental LDS friends.
        When Gina married my buddy Brad, he was forbidden to enter the temple. They told Gina that the Principle forbade him from going into the temple.
        So much that they actually took him physically into another part of the building, where they ended up exchanging public vows.

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          OK, this is another subject worth discussing.

          The holy temples, now numbering around 145 or so, are so sacred that even some members of the Church cannot enter.  To enter and partake of the ordinance work there one must first be interviewed by the local priesthood authority and then the stake authority.  These interviews determine personal readiness and worthiness to enter the temple.  One cannot enter and be married for time and all eternity without these interviews and have been found ready.  Anyone can enter a civil marriage and then, when ready, go and be sealed for all time in the holy temple. 

          As far as being physically removed, I hesitate commenting without knowing first hand knowledge.  If they had their interviews they would have known whether they were cleared to enter or not.  Only when a physical conflict arises do things get out of hand at times.  However, the process is quite clear and is the least intrusive upon the individual. 

          It is difficult at times.  I, personally, am the one who gives these interviews to individuals.  They are overjoyed when they are found ready.  When they are not, they usually are more than happy to take the time to get ready.

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            that's what i thought.
            they couldn't be offically sealed.
            1. he was not LDS by practice.
            2. his football tattoos.

            good to learn new things. thanks man.

            1. goldenpath profile image82
              goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              On your point 1.  True, you must be LDS to enter the temple.

              On point 2.  Tattoos really don't matter as far as entering the temple.  Although we do no advocate, at all, the practice of tattoos, for many reasons, we do not degrade or shun anyone for their past choices.  Millions have entered the covenant of baptism that have previously received tattoos and piercings.  However, if they receive such after baptism then they need to be taught the doctrine behind it before they may be allowed to enter the temples.

  19. aware profile image70
    awareposted 6 years ago

    i know they never have bothered me .pushed their ideas on me or damed me to a hell. so that makes them cool by me

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for that comment.  We believe that judgment is in His hands - not ours.  To do so is an expression of pride and that's wrong for us.

      Thanks.

  20. BDazzler profile image82
    BDazzlerposted 6 years ago

    Since the question is "What do you know ... " I will say what I know from personal experience:

    1. The Mormons I have personally known  a) work hard, b) seem happy and c) love their families.

    2. The ones that come to the door are friendly enough, but have not been particularly interesting. They don't offend me and don't stick around long when it's clear I'm not interested. 

    3. I visited Salt Lake City once. I found it to be clean, safe and friendly.

    Therefore based on the "fruit inspection" principle on the surface I find them to be pretty OK.  That does not mean I believe many of their published doctrines to be "correct" and that also does not mean that I have any desire to join them.  But, I can get along with them just fine.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, that means a lot.  Religious diversity is a good thing as it teaches us to be understanding and tolerant.

      Thanks again.

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    theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago

    It may also depend on whether we are referring to Mormon's as a 'person' or as a 'religion'....as in all faiths and walks of live some live the beliefs they profess to follow more or less righteously than others.  I am a LDS/Mormon - converted some 20 years ago and am the ONLY member in my family - this has taught me not to judge others choices in or outside of religion because we all have something to offer the world.  As a 'people' I have seen sacrifice, service, growth and testimony in amazing ways.  I have also seen loss, devastation, divorce and sin.  Whether one is Mormon or not we are all just trying to live the best life we can using the principles that best work for us to govern our choices and actions.  The Mormon world helps me be a better me and a better Mum.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Could not have said it better! smile

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yet, even in the Mormon world, you admit there is loss, devastation, divorce and sin and that we are all trying to live the best life we can "using the principles that best work for us to govern our choices and actions."

      I would agree with goldenpath, one could not have said it better.

      Of course, there's still the question of the myriad of invisible and undetectable gods and why they are necessary?

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        theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Happy to explain but I'm not actually sure what you mean - more details maybe?  Invisible & undetectable gods?  This seems to be a faith question?  Correct me if I misunderstand? Thanks

    3. angelrose18 profile image60
      angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have to agree. It depends on whether we are talking about the Mormon people or the church. I have known many people who were members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who were judgmental, rude, and basically pushed away anyone who might have been interested in the church due to their behaviors. Also, I have known many non-members who were kind and religious and acted the way our church believes people should be. Christlike, in other words.

  22. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 6 years ago

    GP, why is it that some Mormons go door to door? Is it a part of regular practice to inform and attempt to convert others? Not to sound rude. Basically, is this something that is discussed before hand? Like, Bob and Tim have the 4600 block of 1st street, we'll take 2nd street.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Great question!  We are a proselyting church.  There are scriptural passages relating to finding and teaching.  It is a duty and responsibility to give all mankind the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel.  As you know, on these forums I am always preaching the doctrine of the agency to choose.  This is an extension of that.  Most do not accept what they are taught.  However, they have been given the agency to choose.  This is key.

      For most missionaries they just go out and try to find people.  To make the most of this practice they often do map out where they've gone for that day and do this on a rotation basis.

      It's all about choice.  We believe we have been given the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.  We have the responsibility to extend that choice to all others.

      Thanks for your sincere question.  smile

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Then, why are you held aghast when others criticize you? You're preaching. And, whether you accept it or not, there may just be things you're preaching that offend others. That's not a slight against you personally, but instead refers to the doctrine.

        It's the same with knocking on doors. You may believe it is your duty and responsibility, but it also offends people. Selling vacuums door to door will easily demonstrate that.

        So, when you ask if "this thread posted for the sake of condescending the faith of fourteen million people" or you complain about being attacked or hammered, please try to understand that you have already taken it upon yourself to offend others, openly.

        In other words, try growing a thicker skin and buy yourself a spine.  smile

        The old adage applies...

        "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!"

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          My skin has grown thicker than you shall ever know...

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          sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Have you ever had an honest thought or do you make'm up as you go along? What the hell is wrong with you?

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            (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm offended by his religion. Got a problem with that?

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              sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              His religion is mine as well and yes I do have a problem with your attitude towards others that don't see things the way you do! Are you really that bitter? Nobody ever makes you pray nobody makes you do anything. We believe the choice is yours and yours alone so if you can't be a decent human being then crawl back into your hole. I promise no one will come in after you and make you be anyhting. If you have a question ask, if you have an insult stick-it, ok?

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                foreignpressposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Oh! I'm terribly sorry. I must have taken a wrong turn. I was looking for the five and dime. I seemed to have entered the local asylum. Pardon my intrusion. Please, continue . . .

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                  sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Try and be nice and you'll get nice in return.smile

                2. Pandoras Box profile image82
                  Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Personally, Sneako, I can't understand the preferences of this guy. Nor can I see anything in what you said that he could take objection to.

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              theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Q  Being offended by a 'religion' does not have to mean that you are  offended by all the 'believers' of that religion..  I don't know you so would have no right or desire to condemn your thoughts, feelings or actions - I just wonder where some of your Mormon concepts have come from.  For example:- I would like to clarify that their are no teachings that I have ever heard that would promote that starving children in the world would promote my faith.  What I have come to understand in my life is that I can only recognise the good when I have tried to overcome the bad.  Starving children give mankind opportunities to serve, to share, to sacrifice to create a better world for all living here - those who have and who have not - that may not make starving children a lesser sadness but I'm just trying to offer another perspective.

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                (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No, starving children have NOT been placed on earth as an opportunity for YOU or anyone else.

                Both you and goldenpath are teaching that. That's just one reason why Mormonism is so offensive.

                But, if the followers of LDS are so deluded to believe in that nonsense, it's little wonder they don't have the brains to understand just how offensive their belief system is to others.

                Thanks for clarifying.

                1. goldenpath profile image82
                  goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It's always a pleasure to hear from you Q.  You always have such a bubbly personality and I appreciate that...

                2. angelrose18 profile image60
                  angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Indeed, starving children have NOT been placed on this earth as an opportunity for us or anyone else. However, God will not take away the choices of mankind and thus He temporarily allows them to stay here for now. We believe that before children are born, they are allowed a glimpse into the life they will be leading and given the choice to come at that time or not. Our church would like to stop the children from starving and thus there is a welfare program actively in place to help them.

                  1. Pandoras Box profile image82
                    Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh yes! Sign me up to be born malnourished, suckle on an empty breast for a few hours and die in the dirt...

                    sad

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                    (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    It looks like you're opinion is no different than the others. How very sad.



                    Spending over $3 billion on a 22 story tower in the midst of bad economical times does not demonstrate a willingness to help starving children.

  23. donotfear profile image89
    donotfearposted 6 years ago

    What archaeological evidence is there to prove the truth of what Joseph Smith reported about Jesus coming to the Americas and evangelizing? The hill of Kumora? (probably mispelled) Where is it? What happened to the Golden Plates/Tablets after Joseph Smith was through interpreting them?  Thank you.....

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have studied and learned of many Native American lores of Jesus ministering to them long ago.  The same stories can be found throughout South America and on many islands.

      The hill Cumorah is in upstate New York and is a very solemn site of the destruction of a great civilization consisting of millions.  Because of pride and hatred two nations slaughtered each other down to every last man, woman and child several thousand years ago.  All that was left was a man called upon to record the dealings of his people.  It was he who was commanded to hide up the plates in the Earth.

      As I explained in an earlier post the Lord, in organizing the Latter-day Church, wanted the people to learn and master faith.  This is one of the reasons why the golden plates and other records and items were retrieved back into the realm of Jesus Christ.  It is easy, as in many faiths, to worship and idolize objects.  The golden plates, had they remained here for us, may have ended up in a museum to be worshipped.  If we study the doctrine and take the time to truly apply the precepts, we will obtain that personal witness of it's truthfulness thus negating the need to have the literal plates here among us.

      Hope this helps.  By the way, there are many records out there still undiscovered.  When the people are ready for them they shall be made manifest.

      1. donotfear profile image89
        donotfearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you for the information. I learned of Mormonism years ago and, at the time, the fellowship of people I worshipped with created much fear in me toward the church. However, now that I'm more mature in my own faith, I see there is no reason for fear because fear isnt' from God. Although I don't follow the doctrines of the church, the teachings of Joseph Smith, and other documents I have acceptance of the Mormon faith as a loving faith.

        Hey! Goldenpath...why don't you come visit the Assembly Of God sometime? Seriously. You would love the open worship. I was a "closet pentecostal" for years while in the Baptist Church. Then I finally crossed over from the more "traditional" church to where I could worship in spirit and truth; openly with no intimidation of people staring at me cause I lifted my hands to God.

        Thanks so much for your information on this thread. You're all right, dude!!!

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I never ever disrespect another person's faith as I believe diversity is a good thing.  However, I cannot attend a meeting of that denomination you've suggested.  I know, first hand, that they were among several churches who freely showed their congregations slanderous films as the "God Makers" and other false teachings against our faith.  I know it because I have seen it.  I respect all faiths up to the point that they start taking the freedom and liberty away from their members to choose for themselves what is right and what is wrong.

          I have seen this cycle many times in my life.  There is a fear of the LDS faith when they see missionaries out and about and, as they did with Joseph Smith, they colaborate and design things to pull them down and inhibit them.  I am not saying that your particular congregation would ever show a film like this or slander another faith, but I am saying that this particular church of the same denomination has done this and it is a reprehensible thing to do.

          Freedom of expression and choice is part of the design of the universe and a part of the design of each one of us.  To use scare tactics, black mail and threats to inhibit this precious freedom is a travesty of humanity.

          I respect you faith, truly and sincerely, but I cannot respect the leadership of that local organization.  I do thank you for the kind words and the heartfelt invitation.  Actually, I often visit other faiths.  In order to be understanding and tolerant we should all visit other faiths.  Thanks again!  smile

        2. angelrose18 profile image60
          angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Is this the World Vision Assembly of God or something completely different? I have been impressed with the faith some of the members of that church display. Actually, I'm just impressed with anyone these days who is devotedly religious because that is difficult these days.

      2. Pandoras Box profile image82
        Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        SO at the hill of cumorah archeologists must have found millions of bodies, yes?

        1. angelrose18 profile image60
          angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Honestly, I personally don't know, but I would assume a lot of the bodies would have decayed over time. Otherwise, this land would be very uninhabitable.

          1. Pandoras Box profile image82
            Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well experts have been consulted. They have stated that if Joseph Smith's story was true, then there would in fact be plenty of remains to be found. Not only should there be bones by the truckload, but also scraps of metal from clothing and weaponry, personal items.

            Astonishingly, not a thing has ever been found to verify Smith's story. I suppose Mormons have a way of explaining this. The "Adversary" perhaps, or a deception of god to test your faith, I don't know. 

            So one would think that it is difficult to be of the mormon religion these days, but then we know that the religious brain functions differently, in a special way. Over time, religious thinking dulls the receptors in the part of the brain that would normally alert people to the fact that something just isn't right. So in truth I have to think it's pretty easy to be religious.

            I mean, it's not like anyone is feeding you to the lions or anything.

  24. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    They have very good search facilities for genealogical family research... I've had some fine discussions with them on the streets, here in Spain they get sent to gain experience I guess.

    Why are these young boys called 'Elder......'?

    Why did Christ put the typesetting instructions in Revelation?

    Revelations 22 18:19
    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    ...and if these instructions are true, where does this leave all subsequent religions based upon new revelation or 'discoveries'?

    How does the church view the recent discovery that there is no DNA linkage between Jews and Mormons?

    I personally have nothing against the Mormons, they are friendly, and as stated their fruit is actually relatively good.

    But I do see that they seem to follow a different Christ to the one I belong to.

    John

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Genetics between Mormons and Jews have never been a point in our faith.  Gentiles can be "adopted" into the various tribes of Israel.  No genetics involved in that.

      The Book of Mormon does not add to the Bible.  As stated in the Bible it is the second witness to the Bible.  The Bible is a compilation of many epistles, records and thoughts.  Many of these works were omitted and left out of the final rendition of the Bible.

      The Book of Mormon is a companion witness, which in turn, becomes the same "word" as the Bible.  It is a record of the "other sheep which are not of this fold.  They, too, shall hear my voice", which is stated in the Bible.

      There are unnumbered records testifying of Jesus Christ.  What the world knows of is only a small glance of what is actually physically still out there to discover.  When we, as a people, are ready these further witnesses will be presented.

      1. aguasilver profile image87
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Matthew 24:23-25 (King James Version)

        23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

        24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

        25Behold, I have told you before.

        You can see my reserve in accepting what you state?

        John

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I completely understand.  We can both toss scriptures back and forth to support our claims.  Forums are saturated with this unconstructive mudslinging.  Again, it is application.  The membership of the Church are exhorted to ponder and pray about every doctrine and directive from the leaders.  Every member chooses for themselves to follow or not.  It is our duty to question, with boldness, all doctrines.  In other words, it's our responsibility to test all that come from the mouths of our leaders.  Only through this test can we receive the witness that it's true.  When the answer is given we then know if the Church falls into the category that you've described in your scriptural passages - or not.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There is plenty of precedent for what we believe in the New Testament.smile

    2. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "Elder" is a term to identify an office of the higher priesthood.  Prior to serving their mission they are ordained to this higher priesthood and set apart to serve in an office of that priesthood - thus Elder.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Where did Heavenly father or Jesus say we're not going to talk to you again until the end? This the restore church Of Jesus Christ as it was when he was on earth. The Apostacy was at or before Nycene at the about the time Consantine declared the church to be Romes church. The Revalation that the Profet Joesph Smith recieved was given to him after he prayed for an answer to the question which church is the right one.smile

      Goldenpath is a perfect example of the members in our church, I run to keep up.big_smile

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    Johnny! long time. what's the haps?

    1. aguasilver profile image87
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Translation please!smile

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        translation: hi john, it has been a while. what is happening?

  26. Rod Marsden profile image86
    Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago

    Mormons founded Salt lake city to get away from persecution. The Mormon faith was just about the last of the great Christian movements and it happened in the USA. A man having more than one wife isn't considered a bad thing to a Mormon. That's about it. Oh, and they have to preach to non-believers like door to door salesmen.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Anyone caught practicing polygamy is altogether excommunicated from the Church.  That practice does not happen in the Church.  There is a Biblical doctrine behind plural marriage, but we respect the laws of the land and no longer practice plural marriage.  We haven't for well over a hundred years.

      Yes, according to the dictates of the Bible, we are a proselyting church and therefore attempt to preach to all - that they may exercise their agency to choose to accept or reject what's being taught.

  27. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    Guys, I'm not attacking, both of you have posted very valid arguments that are biblical on many occasions, and had you not stated that you were Mormons, I would not have guessed or wondered about it.

    Now you post that information and I am interested to explore how we differ... that's not an attack, but understand that my experience has shown me that there are very real differences between what we believe, and I want to explore those differences, for if you are right, I want to know about it, and if you are wrong, I guess that you would also wish to know about it.

    I quote Matthew 24, which is a pretty central verse to what is to happen, and you get defensive and view it as an attack, but Matt 24 is a verse that needs to be answered, especially in the light of Revelations 22 in conjunction, especially when you talk of new revelations and sitting to decide what is correct.

    Christ gave us the Holy Spirit to guide us, and the bible to act as our compass in life.

    I must sleep now, it is 1.15am in Spain, but maybe we can explore this further tomorrow...

    John

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You are very correct!  I hope none of my comments impressed the feel of being attacked.  I have not felt that from you.

      As I stated in earlier posts we rely heavily upon the Holy Spirit.  We keep our bodies clean, inside and out, in order to invite the Spirit in.  We question and test all directives from our leaders for we are taught that we are all individuals with separate minds and wills.  Ultimately it is the Holy Ghost that bears witness if something is right or if something is wrong.  Our duty and responsibility, as human beings, is to gain all the knowledge and wisdom we can so that the Spirit can adequately work with us to discern truth from err.

      I thank you for your honestly and civility.  It's refreshing.  smile

    2. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      goldenpath seems to consider almost everything as a personal attack.

  28. waynet profile image46
    waynetposted 6 years ago

    Kids seem to like moomins!

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey, buddy, it's always good to see your mug shot! smile  How ya doin?

      1. waynet profile image46
        waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Fine thanks, just trailing the forums to add my one liners lol!

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's always good to see a man with a common goat on his face.  It's a tough life, but somebody's got to go it. smile

          1. waynet profile image46
            waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yep I lost my house keys in my goat once, you should have seen the look on it's face when I went to get them back!

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    Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago

    In high school, a few of my friends were Mormon. Some of what I remember may have just come from their parents' personal rules, but this is what I remember:

    Girls:
    -Did not wear make-up.
    -Could not participate in co-ed gym class.
    -Had to wear skirts or dresses.
    -Had long hair.

    Both Boys & Girls:
    -Were not allowed to dance.
    -Were not allowed to play card games.
    -Were not allowed to drink alcohol.
    -Were not allowed to smoke cigarettes or use any other controlled substance.
    -Were not allowed to wear the color black unless they were in mourning.
    -Were not allowed to have piercings or tattoos.

    I'm not sure about the religion itself, but these were some of the rules I was made aware of.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We teach the vital importance of modesty.  This is why many of our young women opt to wear long skirts.  Make-up is fine as long as it's modest and not to excess.  Co-ed gym is fine as long as it's kept on the up and up.  When young women are trying to be modest they often choose to wear their hair long.  I don't know why, they just often do.  We do lots of dancing.  However, at church functions and elsewhere it is strongly discouraged to practice double clutching while young.  It's inappropriate at that age.  We do discourage card playing.  It is one of those avenues that so often lead to other things.  Many time it does not, but it's best to keep yourself safe just in case.  No alcohol, no abuse of controlled substance, strongly discourage caffeinated products.  Black is a subdued color and often affects the attitude and personal feelings of the individual.  However, no doctrine or official directive from the Church exists prohibiting the use of black clothing.  Tattoos and piercings are strongly discouraged.  For young women one set of pierced ears is plenty.  More than that borders on immodesty.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        He gets it right everytime!big_smile

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        Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you for clarifying. I wasn't sure if the rules my friends had to live by were set by the church or their parents, but I can see, at least, WHY they were set.

        So, although I don't plan on becoming a Mormon and there are a few things I disagree with, it sounds like Mormons are one of the very few religions out there who have not lost all morals and values. Wonderful! Kudos to you for sticking up for your beliefs, as well. smile

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you for this wonderful exchange.  This is how it is supposed to happen. smile  We have doctrines set forth by the Church regarding modesty and personal purity, however, it is ultimately up to the individual to accept it or reject it.  The doctrines are there to instruct and protect.  It's their loss if they choose another path.

          Thanks again! smile smile smile

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      sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well Mormon women, our sisters have the same right to choose as we all have. They wear make-up, have all kinds of hairstyles and Mormon women love their jeans! Our church aranges dances for teens and single adults and they are age appropriate. Mormon women have earings and are well groomed. The drinking and smoking are out but we rarely even bring it up unless we're asked. Our position on abortion is very clear: rape or incest, the life of the mother, when it's determined by an appropriate medical authority it's necessary are all accepted as reasons for this medical procedure.

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        Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hm... so for the most part, I would have to say that I agree with how Mormons raise their children. As I said before, I do not plan on being a Mormon, but if and when I ever have children, I may borrow a few of your rules to raise them with big_smile

        Blessed be, goldenpath and sneakorocksolid!

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          sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks! Golden a little more white-collar I'm alittle more blue-collar and I whole heartedly agree with everything he's said! We know there are alot of good Christians out there and I for one wish we could all pull together with so many against us.smile

        2. aguasilver profile image87
          aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "Blessed be, goldenpath and sneakorocksolid!"

          ...are you wiccan?

          John

          1. aguasilver profile image87
            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            OK, been to your profile, answered my own question!

            John

          2. goldenpath profile image82
            goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Uh, no.  We believe in Jesus Christ.  Only through Him can we gain eternal life and exaltation.  In other words, we are Christians.  I'm not sure where you got the idea we were wiccan, but I hope I sufficiently answered the question.  Salvation of the living and the dead can only be through Him.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              He wasn't talking to you sweetie pie. But - every one knows Mormons are not proper Christians. No special underpants and going to another world to be a God after they die for proper christians. No believing the earth was seeded by aliens for proper christians - no sir. Uh Uh.

              Proper christians do as Jesus said - give away their earthly possessions to widows and orphans and go about doing good works.

              They don't go around building churches to god and stuff - oh no. Almost never happens. wink

              1. goldenpath profile image82
                goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Again, sir, I have nothing against an individual's orientation.  That's his business, but please don't call me sweetie pie.  It gives me goose bumps up the spine.

                As for the other garbage in the post, I'm not going there again.  You have no clue what we believe or preach.

                Thanks for responding though. smile

                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No special underwear then? No gold tablets found buried? No afterlife as a god? None of that stuff? lol

                  1. goldenpath profile image82
                    goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I have answered your questions on several occasions.  In fact, I am willing to answer all of them again, however, questions will be posed with respect and courtesy like adults.  My youngest is ten and even she is not a willingly condescending person.  So, if you are serious about getting an answer then do so courteously and I will answer all statements that you end with an "?".

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So, you turn to science when it's "necessary" but preach the gospel in contradiction.

      3. Pandoras Box profile image82
        Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What is the rationale behind abortion being okay in cases of rape?

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          In cases of rape that baby deserves to be murdered. Oh wait - that does not work. Umm.... babies that are the product of rape are not innocent.... no .. hold on...... Um ----people like sneako are qualified to judge which babies die and which live? Dammit - that is not working either.

          OK - I give up sneako - what is the rationale between some babies deserving to die and others living - and you know which is which and are qualified to judge what a woman can do?

          I presume sneako is qualified to judge if a woman is telling the truth about the rape also.

          You are pretty amazing sneako - can you look into their heads for the truth - or does god stop down and tell you into your head?

          1. Pandoras Box profile image82
            Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Did anyone hear her screaming? If not, she lied. More biblical wisdom.

        2. angelrose18 profile image60
          angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There really is no way to rationalize abortion, even in the case of a rape. There is always adoption, and the child that results from the rape should have a chance to choice to be killed.
          What if YOUR mother had chosen to get an abortion for any reason?

          1. Pandoras Box profile image82
            Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Then I wouldn't be here. roll

            The question was in response to someone who stated that mormons believe abortion is okay in the case of rape. My question merely asked for clarification of what made the 'murder' of a rape baby different than the 'murder' of any other fetus.

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    wordscribe41posted 6 years ago

    I've had quite a few good friends who are Mormon.  I met them in graduate school in social work.  I found hearing the stories of their missions fascinating and worthy of respect.  I asked them quite a few questions about their religion, which they always answered respectfully, knowing I'm a non-believer.  Never tried to preach to me.  One of my best Mormon friends would frequently complain to me the elders would NOT leave her alone about still being single in her 30's.  I'm not sure of the correct term, but I think many I knew were pretty "progressive".  smile

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      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We believe in the sanctity of family.  Any man and any woman can make a relationship work as long as each are willing to put forth 100+% into it.  If there is a single brother or sister it is common to try and find people that they may be interested in. smile smile

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        wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, no doubt she's had lots of dates set up for her...  She would NEVER go outside her religion to find a man, I respect that.  It will happen in due time for her.  No doubt she has lots of help (I could have used that a decade plus back smile)!

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    wordscribe41posted 6 years ago

    One thing I truly respect is the sense of community.  My dear Mormon friend got really sick and the outpouring of support was something that blew me away.  That sense of community is sorely lacking in the world, honestly, it's something I wish I had...

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is extremely organized.  In the Relief Society (adult women) we have someone called to serve as the Compassionate Service Leader.  This person is aware of the needs of individuals and families in the congregation and organizes meals for the family if needed, child care if needed, food storage if needed and other things to uplift them.  The brethren do the same.  The Elders Quorum President organizes home repair and other life essentials.

      Scripture states that His is a house of order and that's what we've organized.

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        wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Wow, that's amazing.  She had food, visitors, people in and out taking care of her left and right.  I can only imagine the support when one has a baby.  We had twins and were lucky our neighbors rotated making us wonderful meals for a week.  It made all the difference.  I have a lot of respect for this type of support system, I really do.  I never knew about home repair, wow.  Stupid question, but how do they know what skills the members have?

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          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Again, it's that community.  Everybody knows what the next guy can do.  Oftentimes a survey is given out where people fill in their skills and interests.  If they have knowledge they would like to have they can be matched up with someone who has it. 

          It truly is inspired when a group of people selflessly work for the common good.

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          theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am blessed enough to live in just such a community here in New Zealand.  .  I am even more blessed because I help organise the responsibilities and needs that any family or individual may need assistance with at any given time for any kind or reason.  The blessing with serving is that not only are others lives made better - you end up feeling like you've been blessed too smile

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            goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Greetings and good tidings from your fellow brother in Iowa, United States! smile

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              theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And to you goldenpath - I am much enjoying this little journey we have found ourselves taking smile

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                goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I've heard much of New Zealand and would absolutely love to visit someday!  Perhaps you have room in a garage or dog house I can camp out at. smile

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                  theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You know us Mormons - we have at least all of those things!!

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    Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago

    Wow! So, you know, if you took religion out of it, Mormons would be defined as people with good values, good morals, good sense of family, and a great community.

    Goes to show you that, just because someone's beliefs are slightly different than yours, that doesn't make them bad people.

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      theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well said Pani!!  Your definition would make any Mormon proud smile

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        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I second that!  Thanks! smile

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    StormRyderposted 6 years ago

    I know the ones who come knocking on my door are always wearing really cheap looking black suits.

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wait... Mormons are the same thing as Jehovah's Witnesses?

      EDIT: Nope, they're not. Thank goodness for Google big_smile

      I've never had a Mormon come to my door, but based on what I've learned here, I'd probably invite them inside and offer them a glass of lemonade if they did knock at my door. They sound like quite nice people.

      Jehovah's Witnesses, from my personal experience, are quite pushy. sad

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        StormRyderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol

      2. goldenpath profile image82
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        NO!  Completely different.  Completely separate doctrines and systems of belief.

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          Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I see that now that I've Googled it. Just never knew Mormons went door to door too. big_smile

          Jehovah's Witnesses used to come to our door nearly every weekend though. That is, until we bought this sign at Spencer's you hung on the door knob. Had a picture of a little boy with a shot gun and the words, "My pa told me to shoot every third solicitor that came to our door. Second one just left."

          big_smilebig_smilebig_smilebig_smilebig_smile

          1. goldenpath profile image82
            goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That would certainly get my attention! smile  Especially at 5'3" it takes me twice as many steps to run away as normal people. smile smile

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        theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Being someone that onced upon a time a hundred years ago - went knocking on doors - I would of said yes to that lemonade and been so very grateful for your kindness smile

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          Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well, you're welcome to come to my house and have a glass of lemonade any time, even if you're not knocking on doors smile

          1. goldenpath profile image82
            goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What about me. sad  I have acid reflux so I would have to pass on the lemonade.  However, I'd love a mug of hot chocolate!  Heck, even a glass of milk will do.  smile

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              Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              big_smile Yes, you too, goldenpath. Actually, I think I saw in another forum thread that you and I live in the same state. Iowa, right? So who knows? Maybe you and I will run into each other and have a cup of hot chocolate together some time big_smile

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                goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Cooooooolness!  I'm in Shenandoah!  As you know there's a whooooooole lot of nothing in Iowa. smile

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                  Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hm... not sure where Shenandoah is. I live in the Dubuque area and yes, I know exactly what you mean. Good thing we're writers. We can always escape into the land of imagination big_smile

                  1. goldenpath profile image82
                    goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Been to Dubuque several times on business.  I used to work for Hy-Vee Corporate Offices.  Shenandoah is in the southwest corner of this lonely state.

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                  StormRyderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  If I had a slingshot I could probably hit your house from here...I guess I could have just said "A stones throw from here"
                  But I can't throw that far tongue

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            theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Why thank you Pani - I'm guessing though that the walk from my house to yours would take a while and may even require at least two glasses of lemonade on finishing!! smile 
            No more door knocking for me though - for females we can opt to go from the age of 21 and we serve for 1 1/2 years.  The boys go at 19 for 2 yrs - so maybe in a few years you can hand that lemonade to my son if he chooses to follow in his Mothers footsteps smile
            GP - its way too hot here today for hot chocolate smile

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              Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Just have him mention he's your son and I'll throw in a few cookies too big_smile

    2. angelrose18 profile image60
      angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hahaha I have to say, about the cheap looking suits - we aren't paid to go on a mission, so everyone has to pay their own way for two years. Thus, the cheap looking suits. (Although, not everyone gets cheap looking suits. Some people get really nice suits.)

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    wordscribe41posted 6 years ago

    Thanks all for this nice exchange.  By the way, NZ is THE most beautiful place on the planet, filled with the most wonderful people.  I'm off to dinner with my family, but I hope you all have a wonderful night/day.  Thanks for answering my questions all.  I need to find a "community" here.  Take care all.

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      theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      thank you - I too have enjoyed this wonderful chat smile

  35. goldenpath profile image82
    goldenpathposted 6 years ago

    I have a niece currently serving her mission in Italy.  She loves it and absolutely loves the people there!  Kudos for Italy!  Her eighteen month mission ends in April.

  36. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    What do I know about Mormons?

    I know that, GoldenPath has earned my respect today. I also know that Sneako is an alpha type that I find a kindred spirit.

    GP, Your patience and clear answers were very appreciated.

    Finally, I know a lot more now than I did an hour ago. I differ in a couple of the base points of your faith, but religious tolerance is a very good thing.

    Peace and Love, Mikel

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      Timothy Donnellyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am a Mormon too, albeit one that is not allowed in the Temple because of my inability to follow the Word of Wisdom. I still attend church services regularly at their chapels (as opposed to Temples).
      When you say religious tolerance, I would like to make one thing clear, in my experience and understanding ...
      Because God is a jealous God, He guards His Words strictly. I don't believe Mormons ever have or ever will subscribe to ecumenism. We prefer rather to ADD stuff (modern-day revelation being considered scripture and academic theological interpretation being taught in church lesson material), therefore, we do not tolerate misinterpretations, deletions, or substantive editing of scripture (be it the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, or the Pearl of Great Price).
      We do however cherish the freedom to worship as we choose, and extend that SAME privilege and respect to our neighbours.
      I have learned so many wonderful things since becoming a member, especially since really making a mature effort at studying its tenets and lesson material, including attending Sunday services where questions and discussions are allowed and invited in the Gospel Doctrine and Elders Quorum classes. I unequivocally add my testimony as to the truth of this restored Gospel. It is not threatening at all, rather it is uplifting, even though it has strict prerequisites to entering the Temple.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The assumption that a place, created by humans, a temple for instance has some kind of mystical power and only the 'worthy' can enter, to me bespeaks of manipulation. The fierce protection of some written word, a word written by flawed human beings, again bespeaks of a desire to control other human beings...

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          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, the other way around.  It shows the conviction and perseverance of a people to keep, and remain kept, places of absolute holiness where only absolute sacred ordinances are done - sealing ordinances that bind families together through all generations of time.  Work of such magnitude require people willing to sacrifice worldly appetites in order to achive a level of worthiness to take on such a noble work as that.

          VERY few people and organizations take things as sacred as that these days - and willing to protect it with their very lives and personal integrity.  It has been protected literally by blood and so will continue to be.  Many members of the Church have been murdered because of their faithfulness to the doctrines of the Church.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            as were the Catholics in the Roman Forum...(fed to the lions)For me the willingness to die for religion or the protection of that which is holy, is the foundation for religious intolerance and violence. As demonstrated by the crusades, modern terrorism, the violence you are suddenly condoning in order to protect the 'Holy of Holies'...not a good thing...as if God can't protect God...

            I haven't been able to find your reply to the question about interracial marriage...

            Is it ok for a black Mormon man to marry a white Mormon woman?

            1. goldenpath profile image82
              goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I have already replied, yes, it's ok.  I do not condone violence.  It is a perception of protecting the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

              I've got a youth group activity.  I'll check back in an hour and a half or so.

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
                Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Protecting God is a human arrogance, as if humanity could do that which God can not...As if God could be corrupted, or holiness could be contained in some sort of vessel...
                It also implies that God is somehow lacking and in need of humans...which God is not.

                God does not need us....We need God.

                By restoration of the Gospel...

                you mean your protecting your church/religion/beliefs, with violence if necessary?

                (secrets in religion, never a good thing. be that secret writings, or secret places...)IMHO

                1. goldenpath profile image82
                  goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You are misconstruing the violence.  We don't instigate any violence.  When WE are approached and threatened we will stand firm in our faith and not waiver.  No, God does not need our help.  However, we are in the last days.  Now is the time to stand firm in all things and promote peace.  WE have been violenced upon for our freedom of religion.

                  Please don't misunderstand.  We absolutely do no promote violence but in the face of danger and threats from others we'd rather die than violate our integrity of heart, mind and faith.  Your faith, your beliefs are who you are.  It's your foundation.

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Instigation in the saying, do not cross not this line or we shall do violence upon you.

                    You are the instigators of violence, if by your actions you cause a situation where violence may occur.

                    I however don't believe in pacifism...I am one that will fight and instigate violence for what I believe in as well. I just don't agree that violence is necessary to prevent the corruption of a 'holy' place. The Devil itself could go into your temples and if God wants it to remain holy, it will. You cannot stop the Devil, you(we) don't have the ability, the presence of a human being that is not holy, cannot make it an unholy place. But I do understand the feelings that a place protected inspires, and the sense of fighting for God. But I believe it is misplaced.

  37. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    q...

    could you have possibly sounded any more childish and arrogant?

    roll

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If you really want to read someone who is childish and arrogant, there is this one member who believes they've found error in one of Newtons' laws. Hilarious stuff. You should read it if you want a good laugh.

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        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        and in answer, yes q can be more childish...

  38. Susana S profile image92
    Susana Sposted 6 years ago

    I like you GoldenPath but I don't like mormonism. I know mormons use a very heavy form of emotional blackmail for family members that do not conform to "the rules" ie: they are expelled from the family and not allowed to have contact with their children and grandchildren in case they corrupt them. Personally I think this it's a nasty religion. Even if on the surface mormons are all nice and kind many of their practices are not - most of it is based on fear, control and blackmail....sigh.

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      theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Susanna - I'm not sure where that idea of being expelled from the family came from.  I know that this occurs within the Closed Brethre - but not Mormons (remember there are also many breakaway Mormon sects also that may practice these extreme concepts) .  But being a mainstream mormon for 20 yrs I can tell you this concept is not true.  Example? - I am divorced.  I have 4 children.  My ex abandoned us and repeatedly committed adultery before giving us the flick.  His choices lead him to loosing his membership BUT he is also still allowed and welcome to attend church and join in at any chapel anytime anywhere.  He has never been prevented from seeing his kids or any of his family.  I believe that you may have received some mis-information with that idea.  Hope this helps clarify things a little for you.

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Comparing that to a family of happily married atheists who don't commit adultery and abandon their families based on their own derived sets of morals and values, Mormonism looks pretty bad.

        Of course, Mormons aren't the only religious believers who commit adultery and abandon their families, so you may have some support there.

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          theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol you are a funny guy! - I wish I could find a religion that sprinkled us in water and made us perfect! lol - but since we are all still free to choose our actions regardless of religion I guess my journey will just have to me mine to make the best of.  I'm pretty sure though that there are no handbooks at church that are given out condoning what my ex did - they were his 'own' morals and values or lack thereof,  not mormonisms - lets be clear on that.

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            (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And now, behold, I give unto you a commandment, that when ye are assembled together ye shall instruct and edify each other, that ye may know how to act and direct my church, how to act upon the points of my law and commandments, which I have given.

            And thus ye shall become instructed in the law of my church, and be sanctified by that which ye have received, and ye shall bind yourselves to act in all holiness before me—

      2. Susana S profile image92
        Susana Sposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        This wasn't misinformation - it happened to someone I knew very well for several years. Apparently it's the norm if you come out as gay. But maybe it was a specific sect - I don't know. She never said her branch of mormonism was different or any more strict than any other.

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's no secret that we do not condone homosexuality.  However, we do not look down upon one who is or shun them.  Certainly, we do not advocate the breaking up of the family over it.  That's just wrong in my opinion.

          Again, it's hard for any of us to make a judgment without first hand knowledge of the facts.

    2. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sorry, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Family is central to our faith.  We never encourage or demand isolation from family.  It is most certainly an overwhelming occasion, although unfortunate, that the family so vehemently oppose the the personal choice of a family member to join the faith that "they" disown the family member.  Not the other way around.  This is coming straight from the horses mouth.  Our faith is built upon a foundation of personal agency or freedom to choose.  There is no strong holding or "blackmail" involved.  Never has been and never will be.  That would be taking someone's agency away which goes against our basic doctrines.

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        theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Good morning goldenpath (well it is here anyway!) - much more clearly stated than me my friend - and since I am the divorcee thats lived this experience I can totally say your clarifications are  all true!  It seems there is a common thread in a couple of statements where one is not able to   distinguish between the religion and the individuals living that religion - and sadly at times - regardless of the religion that difference can be huge sad  But that is freedom of choice at work.

  39. Wayne Orvisburg profile image78
    Wayne Orvisburgposted 6 years ago

    Only what I've seen on Big Love. LOL

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Big Love is repulsive and in no way depicts the life and/or doctrines of the LDS faith.  It is a hideous attempt to degrade the faith as has been attempted for over 150 years.  To no avail, however, we are still here amidst all the slander.  Big Love is entirely Hollywood.

  40. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    Hi Goldenpath, I'm just checking in to see if you and sneakers are around, got to pass by a friends finca now to collect a crate or two of lemons and naval oranges to make some marmalade and also get some to eat!

    But I'll be back later, (about 3-4 hours from now) with some questions......suggest that Q and MK just get ignored, they are just trolling along looking to form arguments, so why waste time on them.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed. You are most free to spread the hatred and ignore those who are offended. Why waste time on those you offend?

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        wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Q, I'm an atheist, I have my issues with organized religion.  But, nowhere on this thread has Goldenpath been spreading hatred.  In fact, theawwwbutmum and Goldenpath have been kindly and respectfully answering questions some of us have been posing.  It's been a pleasant exchange with no preaching, no judging and with respect.  This is one of the best religious threads going on now.  People are answering my questions and the questions of others and maybe we're just all learning a little about one another.  Maybe acceptance isn't such a bad thing.  Food for thought, anyway.  smile

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks, I'll consider your post. smile

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          theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Brilliantly put wordscribe41 - there are always ways to find common ground if one is looking for them.  I've learnt a lot on here in the past couple of days and am grateful for openminness people are offering and for those  willing to ask to clear up misinformation.  I really appreciate your thoughts - thanks smile

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            wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Likewise.  BTW, your username is just perfect.  I get about 50 "AWW, but Moms" per day.  The next one will come in about an hour when my 3 "aww but-ers" come home.  lol

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              theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Its only 10.30am here I have WAAAY longer than you till my on-slaught starts all over again!!! smile

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                wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I'm jealous.  Somehow my day FLEW by, well spending time on the forums never helps.  How many kids do you have?  How old?  I have a 10 year old (the queen "Aww but-er) and 8 year old budding "aww but-er" twins.

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                  theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  My girls' the 'princess' or 'madam'!  Funny how their label equates to the degree of 'awwbutisms'!!  Four in total - 3  BOYS.  11, 10, 6 and newly 5 - so I am alone at home as of 2 weeks ago - hence the hubpage activity smile  Twins too?! - wow you have your hands full!  But ain't it fun smile

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                    wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, indeed it's fun.  Mine are home, 8,000 words per minute, all talking at the same time.  But, they're so cute.  My twins have some chicks eggs hatching at their school, so it's all the rage.  You're busy, too, no doubt with the four.  My twins get along marvelously, so they really are the "two for one" deal there.  Big sister, God bless her heart, has a... how do I put this:  very strong personality and isn't afraid to show it.  smile

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        Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "Q" is actually making a valid point, here...  Opinions are opinions, so why do certain ones feel the special privilege of being ultimately righteous and all-knowing, while ignoring others who disagree and, at times, in their weakest attempts of lameness, try to be condescending upon thee?  There are some real crazed kooks & lunatics out there, and this forum has more than welcomed several applications.  I filled mine out, but it got rejected!  Ha-ha-ha!

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          wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I cannot speak for the Mormons on this thread, but I think it's the manner in which Q has asserted his beliefs that is problematic.  No one wants to be called "deluded" and without any brains.  Perhaps Susana's approach was a bit more diplomatic...

          1. Obscurely Diverse profile image60
            Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yikes!  I'm too much of a 'realist' to be a 'diplomat'...  I didn't know anyone was called 'deluded' since that implies a deception of some sorts...which would make no sense, at all.  True, most people don't like others to spot out their ignorance, but some actually do.  You must remember, there are still people out there that believe in something called "learning" and to do so, you must always stay open minded.  Learning through experience is the best way, and not through some crazed, demented, asinine cult!

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              wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I agree with you about the learning part.  It does take an open mind.  I'll never in a million years be converted to anything, but I have been learning on this thread BY having an open mind, getting my questions answered respectfully and attempting to understand the mindset.  Since I cannot experience this religion first hand (and I agree experiential learning is the best) I think asking questions is a good start.  smile

              1. Obscurely Diverse profile image60
                Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You say: "I agree with you about the learning part."  Ha-ha!  What other parts do you not agree with?  I don't believe in organized religions and I'm sure-as-hell not a Mormon!  You must have mistaken me for the wrong guy...   Most organizations are corrupt; period!

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                  wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I think you and I are miscommunicating.  The joys of forums.  hmm I already knew your stance...  The part I didn't agree with was your saying:  " True, most people don't like others to spot out their ignorance, but some actually do."  I've never met anyone who likes to be called ignorant.

                  1. Obscurely Diverse profile image60
                    Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Maybe it was personal bias.  I enjoy it, myself!  People can call me ignorant, any day...and I'll appreciate the verbal gesture!  I just get tired of waiting for it to happen......  Ha-ha!

                  2. Obscurely Diverse profile image60
                    Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    All jokes momentarily set aside, I know what I said was true.  I've known many people that actually think "it is cool to be stupid" and they look at you calling them ignorant as some sort of a compliment.  High School  rejects, a small portion of the pot smokers (nothing against weed or anything), class clowns, for example, are notorious for this.  Some people never grow out of it.  It sort of goes along with the "life is a joke" philosophy.
                    Hmm..., at least they admit they are dumb.  I've run across several 'forum dwellers' that, for some strange reason, are unaware of their mentally challenged condition.  Ha-ha!

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            (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm just not that diplomatic, sorry.

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              wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I understand.  I'm not always either, trust me.  smile  I just find this thread to be a unique exception to many of the others.

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                Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                indeed, i believe generally because the title: christian, is not in it. one could be certain if it was, the whole spectrum would change.

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                  wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Interesting thought, one I had as well.  hmm

  41. Bard of Ely profile image87
    Bard of Elyposted 6 years ago

    The Book of Mormon contains blatantly racist scriptures talking about the curse of a black skin.

    For example:
    2 NEPHI 5:21

    And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

    And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

    And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.

    And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.

    The religion is Masonic in its origins.

    1. Obscurely Diverse profile image60
      Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That sounds like some wicked, sinister, nefarious stuff!  I hope these people seek out for some mental help!

    2. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If one would learn the doctrine behind the writing instead of only seeing the words, superficially, one would easily see the common thread of this passage in today's society.  It's not racist and never has been.

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        theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The Maori population here in NZ make up some 70-80% of the membership here smile  The combination of their culture and lds teaching is a wonderful thing.

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Dude, I so want to visit your place of dwelling.  Someday! smile

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          wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wow, I didn't know that.  The Maori's are fascinating to me.  Have you met Eaglekiwi on HP yet?  She's a New Zealander living in the US and a true pleasure.  You should check out her writing, she's absolutely hysterical.  I think I'm hijacking the thread.  Sorry.

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            theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No I haven't but will go look for her now - great tip thanks - and no hijacking has been done - I think you've been brilliant smile

      2. Randy Godwin profile image95
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Feel free to give your version of this passage.

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          See my post above to WriteAngled.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image95
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So it is okay with the church if a white Mormon girl wishes to marry a black guy?  How many black members are there in your church?


            Edit- Sorry Mikel, didn't see your post.

            1. goldenpath profile image82
              goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, it's OK.

              Many black members.  See post above to Mikel G.

      3. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have 3 questions:
        1-How many African Americans are members/leaders in your church?
        2-Who are these 'other' 12 apostles?
        Edit, added after...
        3-It was my understanding that the non-military aspect of the mayan/aztec society was the reason for their fall, not because of sin and a degradation of their society. They were completely peaceful and had no form of border protection or armed forces, which allowed European explorers to simply ride into the capitol and kill the Mayan king?

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          1)  I honestly do not have a count but I do know plenty of African American Priesthood leaders.  They are well versed and upright citizens.  Definitely worthy of being called my brother.

          2)  Where Jesus organizes His Church or system of faith He has organized a Quorum of Twelve Apostles to lead the Church in His physical absense.  These are especial witnesses of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.  On the Americas He organized a set of Twelve Apostles who led the Church for hundreds of years after His ascension.

        2. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oooops, I'm sorry.  I forgot #3.

          The European settlers came several hundred years after the period I speak of.  The civilization I speak of lasted from 600B.C. to around 421A.D.  After that, they went a very long spell in idol worship and human sacrifice.  They also built high towers for recited prayers and other forms of worship.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image95
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Perhaps you can point to the Jewish towers and relics which remain after the supposed 1000 year occupation of the Americas.  Surely there are examples of pottery remaining with the writings of these "pre-Colombian" immigrants.

            I would also like to know how over a million of these people were killed and only one man was left to record this tragedy.  I assume it came down to just 2 people and one killed the other.  I wonder why God would go to all of the trouble to send them over here and then let them kill each other after over 1000 years. 

            It seems strange there are none of their writings remaining since they apparently had the ability to keep records, as evidenced by the "golden Plates" or whatever Smith decided to call them.  It's lucky the last man knew how to write, I guess.

            1. goldenpath profile image82
              goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Why go through the trouble?  TO TEACH US SOMETHING.  All people make their choices.  He allowed it knowing the process of man and civilization.  He had these records kept and preserved so that we may learn from them.  That's why I KEEP exhorting everyone here to please exhibit understanding and tolerance of one another.  To not do so shows an abundance of pride which promotes destruction and hatred. 

              The earlier civilization, yes, it did come down to two people.  The prophet at the time was instructed to go into hiding because his life was at risk and someone had to keep and preserve the records.  One of his last words depicted sorrow:

              "Even I remain alone."

              Even if one does not believe the events happened it is still good to read and learn from.  One can learn peace and the dangers of pride.  One can learn the pattern of society and see the immense travesty we are currently in.  One can learn charity, love and hope.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image95
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                But there is nothing to show any of this ever happened.  I possess artifacts from people who lived here over 13,000 years ago.  These were made by illiterate people who inhabited the Americas long before your "literate" lost tribes who left nothing to show they ever existed except in your mind.

                It's one thing to claim knowledge of a previous civilization, but one which leaves no evidence of their existence is hard to swallow.

                I am open for clarification on this point.

                1. goldenpath profile image82
                  goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  There are lots of evidence all around the Americas, but none that any of the opposers would accept.  Test over evidence is stronger.  Evidence requires no faith and no belief into it's reality.  It's easy!  But to test it will bring it deeper into one's soul.  How does one test it?  By reading and studying the record.  Do so, not trying to find fault in it, but rather do so by finding the fruit in it.  I can find fault in a pizza, but it still tastes good.  However, if I take the time to put the ingredients together and make the pizza, it means so much more.  Read it, study it, look for fruit, pray about it and then decide for one's self.

                  These are perilous times when man's heart will fail them spiritually.  Testing through action is the only way to a truly satisfying answer.  If one always looks for physical evidence of a thing they will often find themselves empty handed and unhappy.

                  Read, study, practice and pray.

                  1. dpfitzell profile image72
                    dpfitzellposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, but faith with no evidence at all, is a little crazy. In the bible their are towns and places that actually exist. You still have to trust the bible with faith, but at least their is a little sparkle of evidence of something. They train us young, we stand up in front of the entire church, and bare our testimony at a very young age so that we grow up thinking that we have a testimony.

  42. WriteAngled profile image90
    WriteAngledposted 6 years ago

    From my understanding, the expulsion from the community and family Susana S refers to is a feature of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Goldenpath, I'd like your thoughts, please, on the citation given by Bard of Ely about white people being given black skins as a punishment. I must admit I was rather perturbed to hear this.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is an honor and a pleasure to hear from you again. smile  Your questions are always courteous.  I will answer.

      Imagery is used in the Book of Mormon as it is throughout the Bible.  "Blackness" refers to a darkening of the skin.  It does NOT refer to the blackness of skin like unto an African American.  The religious practices discovered of the Mayans and Aztecs bear out a brutal system of sacrifice and idol worship.  These nations spawned well after Jesus Christ ascended from the Americas.  They are the degraded remnants of a once great and upright people.  It is a common pattern of society.  After a period of righteous living the people become prideful and seek not the favor of God but rather wisdom in idols and bloodshed.  After the great conflict the remnants of the people became degraded and, yes, were cursed by their own will and choosing with a darker toned skin.  They also identified themselves with shaved heads, tattoos and piercings.  This is part of the reason why the sacred records were commanded to be his in the Earth.

      I can see how this can be seen as racist, but it's not.  These people were judged because THEY HAD THE KNOWLEDGE and were therefore judged accordingly because of their wickedness.  Had they not had such knowledge this open cursing would have taken a different form.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh too funny. Politically correct racism. JC ascended from the Americas huh?That does not gel with all the other kristian beliefs, but I will let a believer do that one. lol

        Just remember - be T O L E R A N T of other people's opinions. No matter how funny we find your beliefs - you must be

        T O L E R A N T.

        It is all about tolerance her you know. lol

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have spent my life learning tolerance as a Latter-day Saint.  I know exactly how our doctrines seem to others. 

          Yes, after His resurrection he dwelt a while with the apostles.  He did ascend, but not to the physical presence of the Father.  His mission was not, yet, complete.  He descended onto the Americas after it was rocked and left for ruin because of the crucifixion (VERY IMPORTANT:  THE CRUCIFIXION HAD A PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL AFFECT ON THE ENTIRE EARTH, NOT JUST THE HOLY LAND) This helps to bring a greater understanding of who and what Jesus Christ was.  Anyhow, after a time of ministry here He ascended to the right hand of the Father.  He organized the Twelve Apostles here as he did in the Holy Land.  This ushered an era of peace lasting over 400 years after which the people degraded.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yes - we find it FUNNY. LOLOLOL I know what your DOCTRINE says. And yeah - funny about sums it up.

            Yet - still you DEMAND RESPECT. Odd - my god tells me into my head that Mormons are the lowest form of life on the planet I come from. sad

            They are sent to earth to spread lies against the messiah who died once and immediately ascended to be with the other 7 gods and his 40000 homosexual wives.

            Not that we condone homosexuality - but we do like a bit in the side. I heartily recommend you stop spreading the lies that my god tells me you are spreading and show some respect boy. wink

            Dear me. Now you must show respect for anything I say huh? wink

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              sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You could piss-off Jesus mark! What is wrong with you? Why don't you take all your atheist garbage and save for your support group! Mark you need help son.sad

            2. goldenpath profile image82
              goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              We are the lowest form of life - and you are talking to us. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, crap, it looks like I'll have to break out the Captain Crunch decoder again.

              I show respect for other peoples doctrines and beliefs.  All you're doing is purposely slamming someone else's because you have nothing better to do with your own time.  Although, I understand your need for friendship, but this is not the way to acquire one, two, or eighteen thousand.  Still - no respectful question...

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                theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I suggest if he wants to act like my five year old we ground him and send him to his room smile

                1. goldenpath profile image82
                  goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Without any hot chocolate or bedtime story...

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                    theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    awww I don't know - we could drink the hot chocolate and read a Book Of Mormon story  LOL smile

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        foreignpressposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Pardon me for my late entry. I am studiously trying to understand our society's apparent decay and how it relates to the End Times. The comment about shaved heads, tattoos, and piercings sounds eerily like our present day. I can't help but wonder if there isn't a correlation. It seems this penchant for political correctness and personal rights is leading to an abyss from which we may never escape.

    2. angelrose18 profile image60
      angelrose18posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      About formally white people receiving white skins - In Genesis 4:15, it says, "Therefore, whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be upon him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." In the Book of Mormon, the Nephites were told that the darkening of the Lamanites skin was to set them apart so that they would know not to mingle with them. God wanted to protect his people from the bloodthirsty Lamanites, thus He changed their skin color so they couldn't pretend to be a Nephite. The changing of skin color was a punishment, but also almost like a danger sign saying "if you associate with them, you might become as bloodthirsty and degraded as they are." Does that make sense?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        None whatsoever.

        It does however, demonstrate a complete ignorance of biology and genetics, not to mention the development of melanin and numerous other biological processes - assuming you believe this stuff. Do you? wink

      2. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No! It doesn't !

      3. Pandoras Box profile image82
        Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It makes sense in a religiously justified racist sounding way.

  43. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago
  44. Timothy Donnelly profile image54
    Timothy Donnellyposted 6 years ago

    This is a great thread. I would like to humbly add something in the positive:
    I am a Mormon too, albeit one that is not allowed in the Temple because of my inability to follow the Word of Wisdom. I still attend church services regularly at their chapels (as opposed to Temples).
    When speaking of religious tolerance, I would like to make one thing clear, in my experience and understanding ...
    Because God is a jealous God, He guards His Words strictly. I don't believe Mormons ever have or ever will subscribe to ecumenism. We prefer rather to ADD stuff (modern-day revelation being considered scripture and academic theological interpretation being taught in church lesson material), therefore, we do not tolerate misinterpretations, deletions, or substantive editing of scripture (be it the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, or the Pearl of Great Price).
    We do however cherish the freedom to worship as we choose, and extend that SAME privilege and respect to our neighbours.
    I have learned so many wonderful things since becoming a member, especially since really making a mature effort at studying its tenets and lesson material, including attending Sunday services where questions and discussions are allowed and invited in the Gospel Doctrine and Elders Quorum classes. I unequivocally add my testimony as to the truth of this restored Gospel. It is not threatening at all, rather it is uplifting, even though it has strict prerequisites to entering the Temple.

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      wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Timothy, what are the prerequisites?  Excuse my ignorance, but if you're extricated (might be the totally wrong word) from the Temple for not following the Word of Wisdom, can you ever come back?

      1. goldenpath profile image82
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi, wordscribe41, it's great to see you again! smile  Hope the weather is warm where you are.  It's cold here.  Didn't even hit 20. sad

        I will let Tim answer his own question, but from me the Church is all about personal progression.  No one need be subject to banishment from the Church altogether.  With proper correction anyone can enjoy the sealing blessings of the Temple.

      2. Timothy Donnelly profile image54
        Timothy Donnellyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Weell for one thing, you have to be a baptized member in good standing. The entirity of this I can not say, due to me never ahvuing a "Temp0le Recommend". Basically, what I am aware of is that the member has to be privately interviewed by his/her Bishop or Stake President, who asks a series of questions (after a prayer, of course). Note that these questions are not parroted from a script, but rather respectfully asked in a conversational manner. The questions relate to the member's observance of the Word of Wisdom, tithes, chastity/fidelity, etc. Nothing outlandish or unexpected.

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          wordscribe41posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wow, that's interesting.  Never knew about the Temple Recommend.  Thanks for sharing.  smile

        2. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          As a Bishop I will add that a Temple Recommend Interview is among the most solemn occasions I have as a leader.  It is humbling and an honor.

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      theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Timothy - thanks for sharing your testimony of how the living the gospel works for you.  One of my long time fav quotes says - "The best smell I ever smelt was the man sitting next to me in sacrament smelling of tobacco" - POINT? -  there was no judgement here, just an honest observation that at least he was making an effort to correct a weakness or imperfection.  We all have them and thats why we try to make good choices and be in good places.  Thanks for uplifting me today smile

  45. Hokey profile image61
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    They have golden plates!   smile

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      no they don't.

    2. Isabelle22 profile image60
      Isabelle22posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't mean to appear naive but what is a golden plate?

      1. goldenpath profile image82
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        To restore the original doctrines and practices that Jesus Christ has set forth He has instructed people of all ages to record the dealings between God and people.  These records were protected and preserved in the Earth as the people degraded.  When the time of the Restoration came, Joseph Smith was shown them in vision and was prepared for four years, prior to receiving the plates, to restore the gospel of Jesus Christ.  He uncovered the plates and through inspiration translated the reformed dialect of an ancient people who actually touched the garment of Christ and felt the prints in His hands and feet.

        To encourage faith and practice of the precepts in this record the records were received into the presence of God after they were translated.  This was done that no man would worship the book as an idol, but rather gain a testimony of it's truthfulness through practicing the precepts set forth in them.

        These golden plates were translated into what's called The Book of Mormon.

      2. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The Golden Plates were the original written text of the Book of Mormon...given to Joseph Smith to translate for humanity, by God.
        According to those of the Mormon faith.

        1. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, except for the John Smith.  It was Joseph Smith.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            OOPS...

            sorry that was not intentional.

  46. Hokey profile image61
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    They dont?  yikes

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image86
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      nope, some guy buried them and forgot to make a treasure map first...go figure...  wink

  47. Hokey profile image61
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    Ohhhhhhhh........ Not very smart. I guess I won't convert then.


              hmm

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's too bad.  That's a lack of faith.  That's why the original plates are not among us, so we can learn by faith as fostered through adherence to the precepts of the gospel.  We don't need the physical plates to worship or believe in their reality.

      1. Hokey profile image61
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Or maybe they never existed at all.. hmm

      2. dpfitzell profile image72
        dpfitzellposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Does anyone relize how heavy a book of gold the size of the book of mormon would be. I am not sure but would Joseph Smith be able to carry that book by himself.

  48. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    From what I have read to date Mormonism seems to be very legalistic and religious.

    Not having the freedom and liberty that Christ gave us.

    It looks like an extension of Judaism, except unlike with Christianity, the law was not fulfilled by Christ, but bound up in ever tighter bonds.

    I have never considered Mormonism as a threat to my faith....I know Christ and more importantly, He knows me....as such I have no reason to be bothered about how many folk Mormon attracts to it's faith. If they are happy with what they believe, so be it.

    If we share the same Christ, then we shall meet in eternity, that's pretty simple to follow, as is Christ, who tells us that His yoke is not heavy.

    John

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      theawwwbutmumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What a beautiful testimony of Christ you have John smile  I hope as a mormon that I don't threaten you or anyone elses faith!  I really do believe whatever it is that makes you a better you can never be a bad thing.  We are all God's children regardless of religion, belief base, saint or sinner - I'm just grateful to meet another good soul smile

    2. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, that's the miracle of these last days.  We have found common ground.

      Blessings to you and your posterity. smile

  49. Hokey profile image61
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    Live in Joy, In love,
    Even among those who don't.

    Live in joy, In health,
    Even among the afflicted.

    Live in joy, In peace,
    Even among the troubled.

    Look within. Be still.
    Free from fear and attachment,
    Know the sweet joy of living in the way.


    big_smile

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      seems Buddha learned some things from Y`shua teachings.
      sweet.


      Look within. Be still.
      -the kingdom of heaven is within you
      -be still and know the I Am is He

      Free from fear and attachment,
      -there is no fear in love
      -do not cling to the idols/images/thoughts of the flesh

      Know the sweet joy of living in the way.
      -the fruit of the Spirit is love: in joy, peace, patience...
      -Y`shua is the way, truth and life

      1. Hokey profile image61
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Probably not.  He wasn't Jewish.   lol

          lol         lol

  50. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Saltlake city was very clean when I was there, they don't like Australian tourists, the choir rocks, they believe a lot of religious bible babble and have added a "Mr. Smith" to the list of people who flog this stuff. smile

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      passingthewordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This is what i know about Mormons Go To http://rulds.weebly.com/

 
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