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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    I don't think I have ever posted on this forum before but I was thinking to myself, what if the reason "A God" didn't put all one needs to know that he/she exists is because he/she was testing you.

    What I mean is
    The nonbelievers always say there is no evidence so how could it be real? The believers are operating solely on faith, and if there is a God I would think that's what he wants, unquestioned faith.

    As for me, I decline to say how I feel on the subject, because I'm smart enough to know I don't know shit!

    Comments?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey buddy.
      I get your drift. And yes, you have been relatively quiet amid the hype. My hat to you.

      Something to consider: not all believers -in fact most- are not operating only on faith. If they were, there would be a totally different understanding of it all.

      Most folks are under the impression of mixing logic with that thing called faith, which they don't know gherkins about -because no body is really explaining to them, even in Lakewood {wink}.

      Kind of like science -a lot of smoke and mirrors. Magic faith, magic potions, magic carpets, whatever. Hokus Pokus.

      Something you said struck a chord, that needing to know thing.
      That is the real root of the issue. Do they 'need' to know or do they already know and are trying by either side to prove it...

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Don't get the Lakewood reference, care to explain?

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      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      BTW why would you think that unquestioning faith would be what a god would want?

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Its just a guess.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If one wishes to start a cult, one needs to build fool proof safeguards into the belief system, such as unquestioned faith.

      See?

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No.

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Did I use too many words or too many syllables?

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Neither, as usual you didn't say anything, but thanks for playing.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ah, reading comprehension issues. You should have just said so.

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Did you say something?

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No. It was just your imagination running amok.

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Man, I keep hearing a woman scream, hello, do you need help?

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        Davidsonofjesieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hi mr.q,do you mean like the faith you have in your god {science}

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          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Science is not a God. It's only a tool used by intelligent human beings.

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            Davidsonofjesieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I disagree,its the tool of the unwise

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              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I disagree.
              Religion is the tool of the unwise

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              Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The man typed on a computer connected to the Internet.
              Please!!

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think God minds being questioned.  Not if someone's really seeking.  He doesn't tell us to blindly accept His existence without offering us proof. (Faith isn't really blind acceptance; it's acceptance of things we know are there but can't see with our natural eyes.)

      He's given humans evidence of His existence time after time.  He showed proof of Himself to Abraham and Moses and others.  He's shown evidence of His existence by the act of Creation.  He gave us both His literal Word (the Bible) and the literal+Spiritual Word (Jesus the Christ).\

      I love Genesis 1: 1.  I always say if anyone will believe that verse,  the rest of the answers will fall into place.  It's not so hard to believe when we realize it's not just a statement standing alone without proof; it's a statement backed-up by tangible evidence (not only the existence of nature, but the very fact that Mankind exists is evidence that God exists.)

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        Davidsonofjesieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        very well said brenda

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      Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "what if the reason "A God" didn't put all one needs to know that he/she exists is because he/she was testing you."


      Free will is the biggest test of all - and the whole point really.

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Seems reasonable.

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Is that a fair wind from the East . . .

        smile

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    You're a brave soul, Tex smile

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They can't kill me...can they?

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    mikelongposted 7 years ago

    This is something that I have thought long and hard about...

    Ultimately this is a concept that I put aside, for life itself is too short and intense a thing for me to worry about this aspect...

    So, I live my life the best I can, regardless of whether there is something to follow this life...relgion and morality do not have to go hand in hand....


    Regardless, life itself is an amazing thing....and pondering on the hows and whys of existence builds greater respect within me for it, whether or not there is a singular, multiple, or any type of consciousness behind it...

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Finally, You said something I can agree with, woo hoo!

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      Friendlywordposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's downright creepy the way you are dead on any topic on these forums. I dont know what to call it. I'll just say you have a very clear head.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      mike, could not have said it better.
      consciousness is the problem.
      As long as we question, we will never get the true answer.
      As i told one Hubber: like chasing rabbits down a hole. If you stop chasing it, that rabbit will at some point poke its head out of the ground so you can see it.

      In my case, would bbq the literal rabbit. jeje

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    mikelongposted 7 years ago

    All in good time I suppose Tex...

    For all our differences I'm sure we have much commonality between us....

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    wyanjenposted 7 years ago

    Believers are operating solely on faith because the entire concept comes from man's own imagination.

    If you are OK with with believing a concept that has no basis of proof, that's cool. Knock yourself out.
    But, how much sense does it really make to say that something exists only because you really really want it to?
    You think that it wants you think that it exists. That's a pretty good racket.

    There is a magic, invisible, unknowable, god-thing who will prove itself to exist - but only when you die, and only if you live your life by the "rules".
    We can blindly look to the heavens, or we can look at the controlling bastards who are writing those "rules". 

    Guess which one I pick http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-finger006.gif

    smile

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hmmmmmmmm, couldn't give one fuck what you would pick, I'm just cool that way. Don't flip me off with a smiley face at the end, own it! With all due respect....lol

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        wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's not there for you, don't be so sensitive. smile
        I don't flip people off. Without fair warning. See, you just don't know me very well.

        It's there to emphasize what I think about the people who go about trying to control everybody  else by scaring them with a fairy tale.

        With all due respect... lol

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          wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Where did you go? sad

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      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A great Priest in my area when I was growing up put a recorded message on a phone that each day started with this message.

      "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" He would follow this with a thought for the day, backed up by a daily scripture. It was a great comfort to my mother who wrote the number by the phone, so she could not lose or forget it.

      In my defense, who has seen the air, yet we breath it, know it is there. Is this because a scientist said it exists? Actually many things you use each day are a mystery even to scientists. My most recent run in with such mystery was taught to me in electrical theory.

      See there is no explanation for the way a nucleus will stay together, so they call it this "Gluons" holding the nucleus together and the definition is "An unseen force without which nothing would exist"

      Science is such a funny thing.

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      World Marketingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I Agree

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    Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago

    I too have pondered this. I have children. When it finally became time for me to walk away from christianity, and some time later theism altogether you can bet that for my childrens' sake I had more than second thoughts.

    I decided in the end that IF a god exists who can not understand the human dilemna and the mess of religion, then I didn't give a flying bird what he/she/it wanted.

    I decided in the end that IF a god exists who really wants us to love and or believe in him/her/it so much he/she/it would love us enough to reveal him/her/it self to us in a more direct and convicting manner.

    I decided in the end that IF a god exists who would punish us for doubting our own imaginations and the testimony of long dead -or still living- men (or women) then that was just going to have to be that because...

    I decided in the end that I had to be true to myself, and honestly believe what I could honestly believe, and stop trying to believe things I never could fully embrace the belief of, and...

    I decided in the end that IF a god exists who would punish me for that integrity then I'd rather burn in hell then sing his/her/its praises in heaven anyway.

    The religions are false, this I know. A god may exist, but I have no reason to believe so. If I have no reason to believe so, then I have to figure that it isn't important to any possibly existing god if I believe it or not.

    When I say I have no reason to believe a god exists, that doesn't mean I don't have appreciation and gratitude for the life and the world that I've been lucky enough to be born into. I have wonder, and awe. At the same time, I am not blind to the fact that life and the world are not quite so beneficient for many.

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    logic,commonsenseposted 7 years ago

    Just wondering, if you are a god, do you really care what mortals think?

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      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe Tantrum can answer that for us. wink

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        logic,commonsenseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, but she is a goddess! smile

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          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes ! and I don't care what anybody thinks !

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't know, maybe the god just wants you to believe using faith.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    Never mind the Lakewood thing I Googled it.

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    china manposted 7 years ago

    The way I see this without looking long and hard is that it is a chicken and egg puzzle. If there were a god why would it want you to be good and if we were all good why would you need a god.

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    I sometimes wonder what drives faith.  Maybe I don't understand because I was never raised with any.

    It is, respectfully, hard for me to grasp something that isn't tangible.

    Faith seems to soften fears and give hope in my observation.

    I can believe in fate and that our paths were long planned out for us already.

    Respectfully I cannot believe nor trust a god exists with what I hear preached and witness in truth.

    There is no one to blame for our tragedies but ourselves, and no one to give thanks to for our blessings but ourselves.

    If we all took responsibility for good and bad, I think things would be much different.

    I don't know if that made any sense.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It made sense.

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      logic,commonsenseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lyrics, you are right on the money!
      We all  make our own choices and we need to take responsibility for those choices.  What was, was; what is, is; what will be will be!

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    thisisoliposted 7 years ago

    Why would a god want faith?

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      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Marketing

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        wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Control smile

        Hi Tantrum. I didn't think you are real close to the earthquake, but glad to see you are OK just the same.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I already said I don't know shit, you're suppose to have all the answers.

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    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Very well said Brenda !



    lol

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    Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago

    The points are all so well taken and stated. The fact is, we are responsible. Anyone who has read Genesis would see that truth. Some people can hate God for not solving all of our problems, such as Cancer, Poverty, Abuse... In Reality, God or no God, I was angry with Him/Her/It, when my father died. God did not kill him, nor allow his suffering, mankind did.
    My fathers cancer did not come from smoking, it came from the chemicals designed by scientists to pave our roads, without regard for what harm these chemicals might do to someone who had to physically handle them each day.

    There has been Cancer, long before our roads were paved with this substance, yet the paved road, to these scientists and the men who wanted them to drive on, was sadly, more important than a cure for cancer.

    I like God, in Genesis, if it is believed, Mankind is in charge of the earth, and therefore, responsible for all of the problems.

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    awareposted 7 years ago

    How  about  that.

 
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