God is not Religion - Religion is man made for his selfish and political interest. Why do I say so? God is a Spirit and Love. Religion is selfish and carnal. Jesus Christ kicked against those forms of religion in his earthly days...Why would anyone then take it?
I agree. I have today run across a film at the end of a hub that you may enjoy. I have always believed all the teachings of the world religions have a common thread, and while I do not know how much is fact and how much is propaganda, I took from it what I needed. Do not mistake the name of the writer of the hub to mean he is evil , He is actually quite wise.
From every observation so far those who play this ugly game of religion actually have their hearts far from God or divinity they outwardly show off with...In fact they lack love which is the anchor of law in them. It's a pity!
Or was there a better conclusion or intent somewhere after he mocked Christ? (I didn't watch the ending; I had already had enough!)
(Editing to say the hubber had every right to write whatever he wanted to write in a hub! I simply am interesting in knowing his personal intention for the hub---for informative purposes only, or to say the radical "Anonymous" group is a good thing, or (as the second video showed) as an attempt to say Christ is only a myth.)
I can't stay to debate or defend my hub (or the movie contained within), as I have to go to work now. But it was never intended as a religious hub, but an informative hub about Anonymous, and the V for vendetta mask, that is all.
And no, despite my avatar, I am in no way connected with Anonymous, and neither do I advocate making hard core porn available to children. But I like the idea of Anonymous as a concept.
Of course getting all upset about a movie having only watched several minutes of it does seem a little strange to me. But there you go.
The first red flag for me, though, was when he said the group Anonymous was "so-called terrorists"......being a part of a group that advocates blowing up buildings is....not "so-called", it's terrorist!
Religion results because people disagree on how they interpret scripture. They hang with those with the same beliefs. That is all religion is..sects..But they do all believe in God. If they kept seeking truth they would all merge..it is the lack of seeking and learning that keeps everyone separated.
You see, many think being religious or appearing religious makes you right with God. Religion makes people hate and go outbreak of killing other fellow humans just because they don't agree in their belief system. Some can go crazy doing that...Love is most cardinal. It is expressed from the inside not explained.
Now where is related with God? We've seen many times over the news religious outbreak resulting to destruction of lives and properties all in the name of religion or what?. Evillll.
I like how Jesus exposed those hypocritical religionists who only uphold the law outwardly to exercise it on others but are great offenders of the same in their secret. This is the area I love the nature of God(Spirit), Who sees the very intent of they hearts of men.
Don't forghet that if you believe in God, the heart of Man is it's doing. Man is what he is, because God created him. Now, how come so powerful God can create such a foul creation ? With such horrible religious feelings within ?
I wonder, why If God can know and see everything, it went on 'creating' us ?
He created man in His own image, man operates with the mind which is highly influenced by many factors and man was not limited at making his own choices. I want to believe you'll not force your kids to make your choice for their living.
Anyway, the case is slightly different because a humble and wise son or daughter of Zion will always choose to be guided by the in Spirit resident in him as a believer not a regionist. Please get me right, for one to believe a supposed unseen God will always look and sound funny, foolish and unreal to one who chooses not believe His existence. Any man has 100% right to make his choices as long as the earth remains. More to this...
I'd say that the very relevant difference is that when our kids make their own way in life, and even when they make mistakes, we still love them and forgive them and don't punish them to an eternity in hell.
I am somewhat curious though. You would seem to be espousing a couple of religious doctrines there. It seems to me that you hold to a religion yourself.
But, you're missing one point? When you throw away religion, you dismiss it's "GOD" concept as well, since it started "it" in the first place.
You want to call your human spirit? subjective? unproven to have? and the feeling of love - "GOD", then I'm going to tell you you are foolish to think that those two things come from anywhere but from inside you, the human being.
The fact that you think someone else gives you your feelings, is kind funny, in and of, itself.
Thomas Jefferson would have loved to see Mrvoodoo's hub video, I think. As I watched a good bit I felt obligated to pass it on. You might like it, but it is nearly two hours long, I didn't have time for the whole thing. Watching it in pieces.
1. Religion, in its most comprehensive sense, includes a belief in the being and perfections of God, in the revelation of his will to man, in man's obligation to obey his commands, in a state of reward and punishment, and in man's accountableness to God; and also true godliness or piety of life, with the practice of all moral duties. It therefore comprehends theology, as a system of doctrines or principles, as well as practical piety; for the practice of moral duties without a belief in a divine lawgiver, and without reference to his will or commands, is not religion.
Okay, I was in fear of misinterpretation, if hanging on to the thread is that it is the misinterpretation of people for thousands of years that is why religion is not god, and vice versa. So I am not misinterpreted, that's good, right:)
I heard an interesting quote at a world wide religion function once. The priests from the different religions, the ones who teach the how to reach God, really didn't have much to say to each other. The monks, the ones who strive to reach God, Now there was some interesting discussions. In my opinion, religion has very little to do with God and more to do with human self righteousness. Prayer, meditation, and contemplation are where you find God.
Because man could not comprehend any explination from God what God is. "HE" answered "I AM THAT I AM"
I think that if God wanted to communicate in person to a frog he would apear looking like a frog. The frog would then think that GOD created him in Gods image and if the frog could write, it would write that to be so. I am not stateing that as a fact ... BUT ...???????????
God is a Spirit and can transform His Words into anything. He is not in the same state of mortals who see and feel by the senses. The goodnews is that His Word has tranformed us believers into gods. John 10:35
The scripture is beyond the letters, they're Spirit and Life. I'm not preaching to you or anyone here but this is a reality.
Very interesting. You believe in keeping records right? Before the prolification of Bible editions, there's the greek ancient scriptures in hebrews. Do you agree with me that there will be a set of people who will not believe this discussions we're having now in next 100-200 years when presented with these facts?
I read and believe the scriptures or should I believe some critical reasonings put in a book by great minds who kept their funny naughty life and secrets best known to them though great minds with critical reasonings on maters arising.
I like those words " A religious book." It's more than a religious book. Like people see religion as God. Anyone can quote and write the bible without believing a single word in there...that's make a religious book.
When you read, meditate, worship and pray with the written word(the scripture)...that is 100% big different.
when describing a man with issues related with God she is included in the same. God is all in all. For us to start debating on if God is to be addressed she or he brings us in more in the play of religion which is fruitless. Hope you understand me rightly?
The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description... If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism.
When you say that you have to click your heels and toss salt over your left knee with you right hand while crossing your eyes during the sunrise of the third Tuesday in a leap year during the month of may while wearing a sweater made of goat hair from a 3 year old goat that was shaved by an 18 year old virgin with a Mach 3 razor.
I know this is a little complicated but.....This is Religion!
Yeah, no I know it was not an attack. I hope you will look at his footprints hub though that I posted above. He is a truly gentle soul and the film is quite good. It actually (although the makers of it did not know) defends God, but denounces Religion, which was the original posters topic, hence my post.
The hub is designed though to promote sales of the V for Vendetta Mask and the movie, nothing more.
shoe hubs have an intent to make money. I dont think every writer has a motive towards affecting others with every article. Sometimes the intnet is simply to capture a moment or memory, or sometimes to inform, sometimes to tell a story, sometimes to teach.
Oh.... I see. Like I said, some people, will think anything that doesn't fall in line with what they believe, will see it as an attack. ALTHOUGH, the holder of the other belief never intended it as such. What can you do? There is no defense, other than to hold on to your own beliefs.
hahahhah I saw it, dont worry. It could all end up getting more traffic, wich is a good thing. I learned some time back to stay out of the religion forum...every once in a while I accidentaly get sucked back...
hugs go for a nice walk on your beach. You'll feel better fresh air will help you sleep too. And I am sure Mr V will see this later, and is quite understanding. this sort of thing usally blows over real quick anyway. Somebody else will do something shocking .... maybe me?
I have the Zeitgeist movie, and the reply to the religionists that attempted to dismantle it. You are right, it is a very interesting movie with some startling verifiable truths. I don't believe all of it, but then I don't believe all of anything very often!
Okay, I see this thread went off on a rather winding tangent.... And it's partly my doing.
I agree with the original poster that God isn't about man-made religion! There is one form of pure religion, and that's defined in the Bible.
@ Mrvoodoo, I wasn't accusing you of being a terrorist, in case you took it that way. I was commenting on the content of your hub, and the seeming slant of your hub, and my questions and initial assessment hasn't changed about that! But I could've left the bulk of that argument at the hub itself I suppose. Not saying should've, but I could've......
@Faybe Bay---- It seems I've hurt your feelings unintentionally. I often debate the issues, (and my opinion is still the same) but it's meant in an impersonal way, but I'm afraid you took it personal?? I didn't know how much, until I came back here tonight and saw the later posts of yours.
I'm sorry if I offended you personally. Please accept my apology?
Thank you Brenda, I think we all agree that the little country church religion seems a thing of the past. My faith has never been dependent on what people teach me, but on what life teaches me. I hope you will check out more by Mrvoodoo, especially the footprints one.
I will always accept any apology necessary. although this one is unnecessary if it makes you feel better then thank you. You must know I can't get mad at you?
Sure you can get mad at me! Or I would think you could! Even my best friends can make me mad sometimes. I know it's almost impossible, though, since I'm so sugary sweet (not). lol. I think I'm more salt and vinegar really.....
The little country church religion DOES seem a past thing. But I still retain it! My most recent former Pastor used to say that the song "Gimme That Old Time Religion" was outdated and naive. I told him "it was good for my father, it was good for my mother, it was good for Paul and Silas, and it's good enough for me!" (There's one of the reasons he's my FORMER Pastor!) lol.
The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same.
And as for Anonymous I would say that they're in their infancy, but as a concept the potential is there to do some real good, should they switch their intentions to something more tangible than swamping YouTube with porn.
It's quite disturbing that flocks of people still discuss religion as though there is some truth in it. Many simple minded people still believe that some god or another will save them. Why do people go to church? Is it fear? Are they hiding from the obvious truth?
People believe that a mere mortal person who died on cross wooden panel will be their saviour and they're right. He'll be back for sure, have some faith, this time he'll not die on wooden panel like last time. He'll save all of us.
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