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God is not Religion...

  1. Andrew0208 profile image62
    Andrew0208posted 7 years ago

    God is not Religion - Religion is man made for his selfish and political interest. Why do I say so? God is a Spirit and Love. Religion is selfish and carnal. Jesus Christ kicked against those forms of religion in his earthly days...Why would anyone then take it?

    1. Faybe Bay profile image82
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree. I have today run across a film at the end of a hub that you may enjoy. I have always believed all the teachings of the world religions have a common thread, and while I do not know how much is fact and how much is propaganda, I took from it what I needed. Do not mistake the name of the writer of the hub to mean he is evil , He is actually quite wise.

      http://hubpages.com/hub/The-V-for-Vende … ta-Costume

      1. Andrew0208 profile image62
        Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        From every observation so far those who play this ugly game of religion actually have their hearts far from God or divinity they outwardly show off with...In fact they lack love which is the anchor of law in them. It's a pity!

        1. Faybe Bay profile image82
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Can't tell if you went and watched the video or not. I thought it was right along with what you are saying.

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Faybe! smile
            Your god wears army boots! smile

            1. Faybe Bay profile image82
              Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Watch the video in Mrvoodoo's hub and that's not all he wears. Apparently he wears some Greek robes a funny looking helmet and occasionally some Egyptian garb.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol lol
                Not just a pretty face, ... I mean flower! lol

                1. Faybe Bay profile image82
                  Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Thank you. In my recent self ousting from the forum I have grown, as you can see, and wings and a tail to boot. I believe I am sort of high jacking, what was the topic, oh yes.

                  You are right, God is not religion and Religion is not God. big_smile

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    A self ousting eh? I got a hubpages outing for calling someone a drongo. smile I looked it up. That is not how we use it here in it's native form! lol

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I found it bordering on the blasphemous!

        Or was there a better conclusion or intent somewhere after he mocked Christ? (I didn't watch the ending;  I had already had enough!)

        (Editing to say the hubber had every right to write whatever he wanted to write in a hub!   I simply am interesting in knowing his personal intention for the hub---for informative purposes only, or to say the radical "Anonymous" group is a good thing, or (as the second video showed) as an attempt to say Christ is only a myth.)

        1. Faybe Bay profile image82
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I do believe in his defense it was to show there are many answers to the same question. If you read a book called Practical Kabbalah, all of these anomalies are explained.

          It is good reading, and does nothing to challenge one's beliefs, but only enhances what one is reading into a broader perspective.

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            Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I might get my head chopped off...but I personally know peopel who think anything that isn't what they belive, IS challengeing thier beliefs.

            1. Faybe Bay profile image82
              Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              yes but one only has to know Mrvoodoo a moment to know he does not challenge, merely observes and reports. What we do with his information is in the end up to us.

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                Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol  lol  oh man..ive done it again..I sooo missed something here. Your not telling me anything I dont know.
                Mr. V is hands down, one of my fav hubbers.

            2. Mrvoodoo profile image60
              Mrvoodooposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think you've hit the nail on the head there DM.

              I can't stay to debate or defend my hub (or the movie contained within), as I have to go to work now.  But it was never intended as a religious hub, but an informative hub about Anonymous, and the V for vendetta mask, that is all.

              And no, despite my avatar, I am in no way connected with Anonymous, and neither do I advocate making hard core porn available to children.  But I like the idea of Anonymous as a concept.

              Of course getting all upset about a movie having only watched several minutes of it does seem a little strange to me.  But there you go.

              Have fun.

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                Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                WHAT!!?? have fun at work? Why on earth are you having to defend your hub? Ive missed that completly. Sorry to hear it tho. Ill go read it again I guess? Hope yor day goes well.

              2. Faybe Bay profile image82
                Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I have sent an e-mail to the effect that I posted the hub, I will defend it.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Okay, possibly.

            The first red flag for me, though, was when he said the group Anonymous was "so-called terrorists"......being a part of a group that advocates blowing up buildings is....not "so-called", it's terrorist!

            1. Faybe Bay profile image82
              Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I will go find another hub that I do believe will show another side of our friend.

              http://hubpages.com/hub/Beach-Walking-F … g-on-beach

              And you might really enjoy his one on monsters under the be, which I thought was brilliant as well.

      3. Mrvoodoo profile image60
        Mrvoodooposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Aha, so that's where all these people are coming from to watch Zeitgeist.

        I was a bit puzzled for a moment. 

        Maybe I'll actually get around to responding to some of the comments later, or maybe I won't, it's hard to say. smile

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      Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Religion results because people disagree on how they interpret scripture. They hang with those with the same beliefs.
      That is all religion is..sects..But they do all believe in God. If they kept seeking truth they would all merge..it is the lack of seeking and learning that keeps everyone separated.

      1. Faybe Bay profile image82
        Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And I agree Deborah, ravishing this evening, as usual. I have to go off soon, good to see you, but it's after midnight.

      2. Andrew0208 profile image62
        Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You see, many think being religious or appearing religious makes you right with God. Religion makes people hate and go outbreak of killing other fellow humans just because they don't agree in their belief system. Some can go crazy doing that...Love is most cardinal. It is expressed from the inside not explained.

        Now where is related with God? We've seen many times over the news religious outbreak resulting to destruction of lives and properties all in the name of religion or what?. Evillll.

        I like how Jesus exposed those hypocritical religionists who only uphold the law outwardly to exercise it on others but are great offenders of the same in their secret. This is the area I love the nature of God(Spirit), Who sees the very intent of they hearts of men.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Don't forghet that if you believe in God,  the heart of Man is it's doing.
          Man is what he is, because God created him.
          Now, how come so powerful God can create such a foul creation ?
          With such horrible religious  feelings within ?

          I wonder, why If God can know and see everything, it went on 'creating' us ?


          Of course, I don't believe in God !

          1. kirstenblog profile image78
            kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            A glowing judgment of humanity! Hard to argue with tho hmm

          2. Andrew0208 profile image62
            Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            He created man in His own image, man operates with the mind which is highly influenced by many factors and man was not limited at making his own choices. I want to believe you'll not force your kids to make your choice for their living.

            Anyway, the case is slightly different because a humble and wise son or daughter of Zion will always choose to be guided by the in Spirit resident in him as a believer not a regionist. Please get me right, for one to believe a supposed unseen God will always look and sound funny, foolish and unreal to one who chooses not believe His existence. Any man has 100% right to make his choices as long as the earth remains. More to this...

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It doesn't speak well of this God, as if you say, he created Man at his own image!
              I'll have to say :
              Oh God !!!
              lol

              1. Andrew0208 profile image62
                Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Funny enough right? It can only be understood when one walks by faith and in love. God is not a thing or a mortal. He is a Spirit. His ways are different from man.

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  So don't call  it 'He'. He has no gender. I think ? hmm

            2. Pandoras Box profile image81
              Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'd say that the very relevant difference is that when our kids make their own way in life, and even when they make mistakes, we still love them and forgive them and don't punish them to an eternity in hell.

              I am somewhat curious though. You would seem to be espousing a couple of religious doctrines there. It seems to me that you hold to a religion yourself.

    3. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Really?

      But, you're missing one point? When you throw away religion, you dismiss it's "GOD" concept as well, since it started "it" in the first place.

      You want to call your human spirit? subjective? unproven to have? and the feeling of love - "GOD", then I'm going to tell you you are foolish to think that those two things come from anywhere but from inside you, the human being.

      The fact that you think someone else gives you your feelings, is kind funny, in and of, itself. lol lol

    4. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thomas Jefferson said, and I quote it loosely "Had the teachings of Jesus been always taught as purely as they came from his lips, the whole world would be christian by now."

      1. Faybe Bay profile image82
        Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thomas Jefferson would have loved to see Mrvoodoo's hub video, I think. As I watched a good bit I felt obligated to pass it on. You might like it, but it is nearly two hours long, I didn't have time for the whole thing. Watching it in pieces.

      2. ceciliabeltran profile image84
        ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Or Buddhist

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      SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      1. Religion, in its most comprehensive sense, includes a belief in the being and perfections of God, in the revelation of his will to man, in man's obligation to obey his commands, in a state of reward and punishment, and in man's accountableness to God; and also true godliness or piety of life, with the practice of all moral duties. It therefore comprehends theology, as a system of doctrines or principles, as well as practical piety; for the practice of moral duties without a belief in a divine lawgiver, and without reference to his will or commands, is not religion.

      Webster's 1828 dictionary.

  2. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Hello everyone smile

  3. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    me too y'all big_smile

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hello fellow hubbers friend and foe, I hope you are all doing well! (except the religionists, I hope they are knee deep in runny cow poo, and I mean head first! smile
      Jest goshin ya! Howdy all! smile

    2. Faybe Bay profile image82
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In danger of losing the original posters topic, God is not religion and religion is not God all in favor say "Aye", and if you agree that Lyrics is a Goddess among woman say "Aye Aye"

      Hi cagsil. you my friend are not a god, sorry. big_smile

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't put women in the "Goddess" category. We are human beings and not perfect. There is no perfect look, shape or appearance. But, I will give her her props. smile

        I wouldn't want to be a "god". It's undefined. I would rather make sure on my own, that my life is defined. Any power related to supposed "GOD" are exaggeration of epic mystical proportions.

        No thanks. I'll take being me. smile

        1. Pandoras Box profile image81
          Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you were god, everyone would spread horrible lies about you. It goes with the territory. Good to see ya Cags. Turning in though, late here.

          Faye you've intrigued me. I'll have to check it out.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Good to see you again. Good night, sleep well and be safe. smile

  4. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Cags what is this I hear about you not being god? Say it ain't so! Say it!

  5. Faybe Bay profile image82
    Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago

    Earnestshub, I didn't say he isn't God, I said he isn't a God, now if he is God I don't want to get in any trouble, so a god, right? smile

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you for that correction, don't wanna go upsettin no fairies! smile

      1. Faybe Bay profile image82
        Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Okay, I was in fear of misinterpretation, if hanging on to the thread is that it is the misinterpretation of people for thousands of years that is why religion is not god, and vice versa. So I am not misinterpreted, that's good, right:)

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yep. Now if you can just get rid of that god thing..... smile

          1. Faybe Bay profile image82
            Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Only if the thread is already hijacked, I got slaughtered before for trying to get back on topic.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yep! You have to watch out for those damn non-believers! lol
              And in your case, a lot of believers too! smile

  6. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    GOD
    Greatly
    Over
    Dramatic

    There you go. I defined "GOD".

    1. Faybe Bay profile image82
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Read any good hubs lately?

      This one is truly sad, not to bring down the room, but a Doctor Playing God

      http://hubpages.com/hub/Cry-Baby-Torture-Victims

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, I have read a few, but here is one.

        http://hubpages.com/hub/Purim-A-Story-of-Survival

  7. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    God

    Going
    Over
    Deadwood

    1. Faybe Bay profile image82
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry I was reading a hub about Purim, which was very nice.

      Goal
      Of
      Democracy

      Wait are we in politics or religion, I forget smile

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You're still in religion Faybe. smile

        1. Faybe Bay profile image82
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks Cagsil sometimes I get lost smile

  8. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Okay, time for bed.

    Good night all. Sleep well and remain safe. smile



    @Faybe Bay, You're welcome also. smile

    1. Faybe Bay profile image82
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good night Cagsil, thank you. smile

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        g'night Cags! Sleep well. smile

        1. Faybe Bay profile image82
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ah, there you are. I was afraid you'd gone.

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It is 6.30pm here Wednesday. smile

  9. Stuart Barnes profile image60
    Stuart Barnesposted 7 years ago

    I heard an interesting quote at a world wide religion function once.  The priests from the different religions, the ones who teach the how to reach God, really didn't have much to say to each other.  The monks, the ones who strive to reach God, Now there was some interesting discussions.
    In my opinion, religion has very little to do with God and more to do with human self righteousness.
    Prayer, meditation, and contemplation are where you find God.

    1. Andrew0208 profile image62
      Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "Prayer, meditation, and contemplation are where you find God"

  10. Andrew0208 profile image62
    Andrew0208posted 7 years ago

    God is not Religion. He is a Spirit.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And where the 'He' comes from ?
      Why everybody thinks it's a man ?? yikes

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm still waiting for your answer.
        Is God a man ?

        1. Jerami profile image78
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Because man could not comprehend any explination from God what God is. "HE"  answered "I AM THAT I AM"

            I think that if God wanted to communicate in person to a frog he would apear looking like a frog. The frog would then think that GOD created him in Gods image and if the frog could write, it would write that to be so.
             I am not stateing that as a fact ... BUT ...???????????

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            But ?????
            have you seen God ??
            Please Jerami ! give me a break !! lol

            1. Jerami profile image78
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              forgot to say GOOD MORNIN

                I haven't seen "HIM"  but I bet he looks just like me

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol lol

                Show me your pic, and maybe I'll believe !

                lol

                1. Jerami profile image78
                  Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Where is your faith ??

                  1. tantrum profile image60
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't have thanks ! lol

            2. Andrew0208 profile image62
              Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              God is a Spirit and can transform His Words into anything. He is not in the same state of mortals who see and feel by the senses. The goodnews is that His Word has tranformed us believers into gods. John 10:35

              The scripture is beyond the letters, they're Spirit and Life. I'm not preaching to you or anyone here but this is a reality.

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You're still saying God's a 'He'
                lol lol lol
                seriously !!!! lol

              2. Hokey profile image58
                Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Reality?    hmm

              3. Hokey profile image58
                Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Bridge for sale!!  Bridge for sale!!  Slightly used!! Great deal!!

                                             big_smile

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  A bridge to cross what ?
                  Nonsense ?? hmm

                  lol

                  1. Hokey profile image58
                    Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Well he said reality. If he thinks this stuff is real he might be wiling to buy the Brooklyn Bridge. I will give him a real good price! smile

          2. Hokey profile image58
            Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Didn't Popeye the sailor say that too.  lol

            I am what I am and that's all that I am. I'm Popeye the
            sailorman!!!

                                        TOOT!!  TOOT!!!


                                     lol

    2. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And the spirit told you independent of all other sources that god is a he, that he created man in his own image, and that he granted them free will?

      Those are all religious ideas. You got them from the Bible and from christian doctrine.

      1. Andrew0208 profile image62
        Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Very interesting.  You believe in keeping records right? Before the prolification of Bible editions, there's the greek ancient scriptures in hebrews. Do you agree with me that there will be a set of people who will not believe this discussions we're having now in next 100-200 years when presented with these facts?

        I read and believe the scriptures or should I believe some critical reasonings put in a book by great minds who kept their funny naughty life and secrets best known to them though great minds with critical reasonings on maters arising.

        1. Pandoras Box profile image81
          Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Are you seriously suggesting that the various human writers of the Bible didn't have nasty secrets of their own?

          Anyway, you get your god concept from a book. You're filled with doctrine about a god, indoctrinated.

  11. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 7 years ago

    Just one usual question, how do you know all this ?

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He got it out of a book. wink

      1. Andrew0208 profile image62
        Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Mark, for real I read the scriptures, get inspired and guided by the Spirit behind the letters.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Like I said - you got it out of a book.

          A religious book. wink

          1. Andrew0208 profile image62
            Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I like those words " A religious book." It's more than a religious book. Like people see religion as God. Anyone can quote and write the bible without believing a single word in there...that's make a religious book.

            When you read, meditate, worship and pray with the written word(the scripture)...that is 100% big different.

            1. Pandoras Box profile image81
              Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Uh-huh. So if you believe in the bible then it's not a religion. If you get your belief system from the bible then it's not a religion.

              Uh-huh.

              1. Hokey profile image58
                Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hey PB!!!  Good morning!!!!!!!  smile

                1. Pandoras Box profile image81
                  Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Heya Hokey! How many horsemen did David slew.... 8,700? These things are like word problems, they always capture my attention. Of course the only real answer is BULL DOODOO!

                  1. Hokey profile image58
                    Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes!!  I agree! Bull DooDoo!!   lol


                    Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

                        * Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
                        * Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

                    How many were the children of Zattu?

                        * Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
                        * Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

                    How many were the children of Azgad?

                        * One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
                        * Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

            2. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Nonsense sweetie pie.

              Your pride walks before you - demonstrating the lie. You got it out of a religious book and you do not understand what you are saying. Not impressed.

              1. Hokey profile image58
                Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The Clown Is Right!!!  neutral

                1. Andrew0208 profile image62
                  Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You can critically look into matters without calling names and personal attacks, beware!

                  1. Pandoras Box profile image81
                    Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    LOL. His reference to a clown actually wasn't directed towards you. lol

                  2. Hokey profile image58
                    Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Beware of what?   yikes

                  3. tantrum profile image60
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You're a little bit confused! lol
                    with your beliefs and with hubbers as well

                    lol

        2. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          you don't know anything.
          you can't even answer why you believe God's a 'He'
          lol

          1. Andrew0208 profile image62
            Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            when describing a man with issues related with God she is included in the same. God is all in all. For us to start debating on if God is to be addressed she or he brings us in more in the play of religion which is fruitless. Hope you understand me rightly?

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No I don't.
              Your naming God as a he is childish ,and shows your lack of understanding in what a God is.

              1. Andrew0208 profile image62
                Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                God is a Spirit, that overshadows the "HE or SHE" factor of mortals.

  12. Hokey profile image58
    Hokeyposted 7 years ago

    The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description...
    If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism.

    Albert Einstein

  13. theirishobserver. profile image61
    theirishobserver.posted 7 years ago

    Hello Tantrum - how are you smile

  14. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 7 years ago

    Subjective reality. Lol, i want to play with words now.

  15. Hokey profile image58
    Hokeyposted 7 years ago

    When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

        * One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
        * Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

  16. theirishobserver. profile image61
    theirishobserver.posted 7 years ago

    Hokey is God smile

    1. Hokey profile image58
      Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Irish! You can be my Archangel!!  wink

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Don't forget I'm the Goddess

        tongue

        1. Hokey profile image58
          Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You will sit in the Omnipotent lap Of Hokey!!  tongue

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            tongue tongue tongue

            I love spiritual laps

            lol

            1. Hokey profile image58
              Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              ...and I love to lap.............   tongue

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Your religion sounds 'Interesting'!! big_smile

                1. Hokey profile image58
                  Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  If you only knew!  wink

    2. Hokey profile image58
      Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      When you say that you have to click your heels and toss salt over your left knee with you right hand while crossing your eyes during the sunrise of the third Tuesday in a leap year during the month of may while wearing a sweater made of goat hair from a 3 year old goat that was shaved by an 18 year old virgin with a Mach 3 razor. 

      I know this is a little complicated but.....This is Religion!

                                  Ya Know?

                                    neutral

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Mrvoodoo doesn't have to defend his work to me!

    I was simply stating my reaction to his work, and asking questions about it, and about his intent.  He has the choice to answer or not answer, as all hubbers do.

    Honestly, I think every hubber has an intent in almost any hub.
    Unless of course it's just about shoes or something.  ha

    (Uh oh....I guess some people would take shoes seriously...)

    1. Faybe Bay profile image82
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, no I know it was not an attack. I hope you will look at his footprints hub though that I posted above.
      He is a truly gentle soul and the film is quite good. It actually (although the makers of it did not know) defends God, but denounces Religion, which was the original posters topic, hence my post.

      The hub is designed though to promote sales of the V for Vendetta Mask and the movie, nothing more.

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile shoe hubs have an intent to make money.
      I dont think every writer has a motive towards affecting others with every article.
      Sometimes the intnet is simply to capture a moment or memory, or sometimes to inform, sometimes to tell a story, sometimes to teach.

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    Justine76posted 7 years ago

    Oh.... I see.  sad Like I said, some people, will think anything that doesn't fall in line with what they believe, will see it as an attack.
    ALTHOUGH, the holder of the other belief never intended it as such. What can you do? There is no defense, other than to hold on to your own beliefs.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    I need some more shoes.
    Saving them up to throw at Obama.

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol does that count as spreading the wealth? I actually NEED more shoes, so..can I go with you when this happens?

      1. Faybe Bay profile image82
        Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And as luck would have it another thread has sprouted out of a singular post by yours truly. I bend my will to you, please all give me one swift kick in my back door with those lovely shoes.

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          Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          hahahhah I saw it, dont worry. It could all end up getting more traffic, wich is a good thing.  smile
          I learned some time back to stay out of the religion forum...every once in a while I accidentaly get sucked back...

          1. Faybe Bay profile image82
            Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Me too, lost without sleep. I have to go get some sleep. Please if you see Mrvoodoo, tell him I am sorry and the road to my h**l was paved with good intentions.

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              Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              hugs
              go for a nice walk on your beach.
              You'll feel better
              fresh air will help you sleep too. And I am sure Mr V will see this later, and is quite understanding.
              this sort of thing usally blows over real quick anyway. Somebody else will do something shocking .... maybe me?

              1. Hokey profile image58
                Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Justine! I am off to save the world. One addict at a time. I hope your day is full of love, light, and laughter!    Namaste
                                                 big_smile

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                  Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  HAHAAHHAHHAHAHAH!!! it is today!
                  lol

            2. Mrvoodoo profile image60
              Mrvoodooposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              LOL, it's all good, no need for apologies at all. I know you had nothing but good intentions, and it's always interesting to see peoples different reactions to the same stimulus. 

              I just became curious as to what was going on, when I noticed people I wouldn't usually see stopping by.

              And whether you buy into all that Zeitgeist sells, or not, there's no denying that it's an interesting movie. smile

    2. Andrew0208 profile image62
      Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why saving the shoes to throw at Obama?

      1. Faybe Bay profile image82
        Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah just throw them at me, I deserve it for getting in here in the first place.

        1. Andrew0208 profile image62
          Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hahahah!

          1. Faybe Bay profile image82
            Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Andrew, I am starting to like you, gonna have to fan you, and when you don't see me it's because of the big shoe sticking out of my mouth.

            1. Hokey profile image58
              Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol lol

            2. Andrew0208 profile image62
              Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hahahah! You're welcome. One Love.

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              Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Faybe Bay, thanks for following me, just followed you back.

  20. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    So much for the topic. lol lol

  21. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I have the Zeitgeist movie, and the reply to the religionists that attempted to dismantle it. You are right, it is a very interesting movie with some startling verifiable truths.
    I don't believe all of it, but then I don't believe all of anything very often! lol

    1. Mrvoodoo profile image60
      Mrvoodooposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly, take what you're given and make up your own mind.

  22. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    The truth about "GOD" can be found out by simply following a simply path......

    Walk in the paces of the doctrines, as explained by religion or religious text.

    Once, you attempt this path.....it leads to self-realization that "GOD" doesn't exist and never has.

  23. Mrvoodoo profile image60
    Mrvoodooposted 7 years ago

    I've only just noticed what this thread was actually about.

    And i'm inclined to agree with this part of the OP's post.

    'God is a Spirit and Love.'

    I'm not a fan of organized religions, and I couldn't say for sure if Jesus existed, or even if he did exist, that he performed all the miracles etc. as written in the Bible.

    But I do believe in something, some kind of force for good.

    And another for bad.

    Even if that does sound kind of simplistic.

    1. TheGlassSpider profile image80
      TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Simple might just be the way to go. smile

    2. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nah it's honest. It's when people start trying to define the source of such that the trouble starts.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Okay, I see this thread went off on a rather winding tangent....
    And it's partly my doing.

    I agree with the original poster that God isn't about man-made religion!  There is one form of pure religion, and that's defined in the Bible.



    @ Mrvoodoo, I wasn't accusing you of being a terrorist, in case you took it that way.  I was commenting on the content of your hub, and the seeming slant of your hub, and my questions and initial assessment hasn't changed about that!
    But I could've left the bulk of that argument at the hub itself I suppose.  Not saying should've, but I could've......





    @Faybe Bay----
      It seems I've hurt your feelings unintentionally.  I often debate the issues, (and my opinion is still the same) but it's meant in an impersonal way, but I'm afraid you took it personal??  I didn't know how much, until I came back here tonight and saw the later posts of yours.

    I'm sorry if I offended you personally.  Please accept my apology?

    1. Faybe Bay profile image82
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Brenda, I think we all agree that the little country church religion seems a thing of the past. My faith has never been dependent on what people teach me, but on what life teaches me. I hope you will check out more by Mrvoodoo, especially the footprints one.

      I will always accept any apology necessary. although this one is unnecessary  if it makes you feel better then thank you. You must know I can't get mad at you?

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this



        You should come and look around where I live. Lots of little country churches. Can count 15 within 10 miles of my home. Most are small.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Cool!

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            SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this



            Just so you know, the church I go to is not so small. We like to get loud, shouting and dancing in the spirit.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That's cool too!  I grew up that way.

        2. Faybe Bay profile image82
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          SirDent and Brenda,
          A band called Love Song put out a song called "Little Country Church."

          This was difficult to find, poor quality but excellent message, the song is from the early  seventy's.
          This was done recently

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZkWrn9SXwo

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sure you can get mad at me!  Or I would think you could!  Even my best friends can make me mad sometimes.
        I know it's almost impossible, though, since I'm so sugary sweet (not). lol.  I think I'm more salt and vinegar really.....

        The little country church religion DOES seem a past thing.   But I still retain it!   My most recent former Pastor used to say that the song "Gimme That Old Time Religion" was outdated and naive.  I told him "it was good for my father, it was good for my mother, it was good for Paul and Silas, and it's good enough for me!"  (There's one of the reasons he's my FORMER Pastor!) lol.

        You, you're sweet though.

        Thank you for forgiving me!

    2. Mrvoodoo profile image60
      Mrvoodooposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No worries, I didn't take it that way.

      The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same. smile

      And as for Anonymous I would say that they're in their infancy, but as a concept the potential is there to do some real good, should they switch their intentions to something more tangible than swamping YouTube with porn.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    I liked it!  what I could hear of it anyway.  I'm on hubby's laptop computer and it isn't equipped for good video-watching.

    Thanks Faybe Bay.

    I love everything from hillbilly gospel to contemporary gospel.  It's all got the Spirit!

  26. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    How can religionists claim no religion when the only source of their god is a religious tome? smile

    1. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah I don't get that either. Referring to the book for what you believe sets you up a code of doctrine and behavior, and that pretty much makes you a part of that book's religion.

  27. premierkj profile image79
    premierkjposted 7 years ago

    It's quite disturbing that flocks of people still discuss religion as though there is some truth in it. Many simple minded people still believe that some god or another will save them. Why do people go to church? Is it fear? Are they hiding from the obvious truth?

    1. Mrvoodoo profile image60
      Mrvoodooposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm guessing that the obvious truth is what you yourself believe.

      Always seems to be the way.

      1. premierkj profile image79
        premierkjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's got nothing to do with belief, just fact.

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          Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          that all depends you what believe the facts to be  wink

          1. premierkj profile image79
            premierkjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            well you won't find any in the bible.

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              Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              smile

    2. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      People believe that a mere mortal person who died on cross wooden panel will be their saviour and they're right. He'll be back for sure, have some faith, this time he'll not die on wooden panel like last time. He'll save all of us.

    3. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this



      To have an invisible friend at the age of eight is charming and not a cause for concern. To have an invisible friend in adulthood is however a cause for concern and could be considered psychotic.

  28. Andrew0208 profile image62
    Andrew0208posted 7 years ago

    Believe and unbelief systems co-exist. In fact bot are relatively religious. Quite insteresting when we all anchor both or any other in Love.

    1. Faybe Bay profile image82
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How are you Andrew, have I received my share of shoe throwing?

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Collect the shoes, sell second-hand on ebay. smile

      2. Andrew0208 profile image62
        Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Faybe Bay, I'm fine. cool There's love in the air...No shoe throwing my dear.

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      love is the best "religion" there is.

      1. Faybe Bay profile image82
        Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Justine, I am guilty of staying up past my bedtime. Yes, love is the best.

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          Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ha, Im guilty of appearing in way too many threads...
          smile

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    Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago

    shoe covenant? lol. sorry, it just made me laugh.

 
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