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In your opinion, what is a "Religious Nut"

  1. Greek One profile image79
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    At what point does faith and the expression of someone's belief in one's religion cross the line and become wacko and Al Quida-esque??

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      When you're ready to die for it.

      1. Greek One profile image79
        Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        what about kill for it?
        what about injure for it?

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Some people are ready to kill as well. Some are only martirs.
          One way or the other is foolish to die or kill for an invisible being or abstract idea.

          1. Greek One profile image79
            Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            hmmm... interesting...

            how about if I am not willing to kill or injure for that idea, but I am willing to devote my own life to it?

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Then you haven't crossed the line.
              You're only boring !

              1. Greek One profile image79
                Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol

                how do you know that what i am devoting myself to is boring?

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  When I say 'you' I'm being generic
                  I don't know what you believe in, and I can't care less.
                  lol

                  1. Greek One profile image79
                    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    why I say "I" I mean the general "I" lol

            2. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              All I have to say on that, would be sure that you do have all the facts for which you create a belief. Solely basing your beliefs on faith, isn't proper and can make you deceive yourself.

              Just a thought. smile

              1. Greek One profile image79
                Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                so is a religious nut someone who can't justify their faith by logic?

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  A "religious" nut is someone who cannot recognize that their faith is misplaced in this world. wink

          2. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            'Uncle Sam'...or patriotism?

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Both will likely get you killed? lol lol So, Like Tantrum said- when they are willing to die for it. wink

    2. Mamelody profile image60
      Mamelodyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      when you misunderstand the actual words of God and make up your own rules and laws..

      1. donotfear profile image90
        donotfearposted 7 years ago in reply to this


        Great answer!!!!!

    3. Springboard profile image82
      Springboardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think, to some extent, that simply stating that one becomes a religious nut, or nut anything for that matter, occurs when one is willing to die for it is actually a bit oversimplified. A courageous American soldier is not a nut for being willing to die for his country. Jesus Christ was not a nut for having been willing to die for the sins of His followers and for His religion (and He WAS willing, because I'm certain He knew the consequences for His actions considering the timeā€”He'd have otherwise been less outspoken).

      I think the point that one becomes a nut is when one's belief begins to cloud one's best abilty to make sound and rational decision. Hitler was verifiable nut because his beliefs led him to conclude that there were lesser human beings in the ranks, and the world needed to be 'cleansed.' To a degree this is the same logic fueling Al-Qaeda. We are, in their eyes, infidels, unclean, unholy, and therefore we need to be ridded from the world. That makes them a nut.

      If a Christian (and I'm not one BTW) decides that he is willing to give up his life for his religion in defense of the common better good, and to arrest the further development of a common threat of evil or bad, he is not a nut at all.

    4. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think they rather define themselves... their actions in direct opposition to what they preach. hmm

      1. Greek One profile image79
        Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree that hypocracy seems to be a clear sign...

        In other words, going to such an extreme in your thoughts, words and deeds to support a belief or position, that in reality you act in ways directly opposite to what you claim to believe in.

        1. rebekahELLE profile image92
          rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          exactly.

    5. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Greek:
      Without naming names in this forum...lol
      All "fundamentalists are "religious nuts."

      1. donotfear profile image90
        donotfearposted 7 years ago in reply to this


        Uh-oh!
        Guess that makes me a religious nut. Actually, interesting you brought up those particular words because that's how Robert Englund described me in an interview he gave.:
        "...a fundamentalist, born-again Christian..."
        Well, guess it's a label I'll live with.

        1. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Donotfear:
          As long as you remain harmless and don't proselytize, I have no problem with what you think.
          As you say, you have to live with it...:-)

          1. donotfear profile image90
            donotfearposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you qwark. Good point.
            And I say the same to you: "As long as you remain harmless and don't proselytize (your belief/nonbelief nature), I have no problem with what you think. As you say, you have to live with it..."
            As long as there are no direct attacks on me, insults, name-calling, demeaning statements, verbal bashing for what I believe, I can interact in harmony with all. When one is personally attacked, one gets defensive.

            I say in general: My faith works for me. If that's what it takes for me to be a better person, let me be.

            1. qwark profile image60
              qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Donotfear:
              Wonderful!
              We can agree to disagree with civility!
              ..:-)

              1. donotfear profile image90
                donotfearposted 7 years ago in reply to this


                Yep.... we opposites must have boundaries or it ends up in personal verbal attacks. I think it's cool to question each other, but in a mature way...not bashing. Meaning no subliminal, passive aggressive statements. You know what I mean. I see it all the time on BOTH sides. I try to remain objective in my answers though it does sting sometimes.

    6. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol
      61 posts on this subject in 2 hours...

    7. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      {In your opinion, what is a "Religious Nut"}

      In My Opinion...
      http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/07/hitler460.jpg
      http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1130/1415837446_674650d2b4.jpg
      Salem Witch hunts
      http://thewhitebull.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/spinquisition.jpg
      The Spanish Inqusition

      1. qwark profile image60
        qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        ....and Pope Pius XII standing by his side!

      2. RKHenry profile image78
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lookie here folks, looks like we have a couple of real winners here today, I tell ya.

    8. profile image59
      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That point is bolded. smile

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Oh hahahaa

    When they commit crimes like Al Quaida!

    hmmm  I think that's spelled wrong by both of us?

    1. Greek One profile image79
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you have to commit crimes to be a nut?

      can't you be insane in thought and word.. and in deeds that are not necessarily against the law?

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, actually you cannot. smile

        1. Greek One profile image79
          Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          so ANYHTING I say and ANYTHING i do is sane, so long as no one else (or myself) is hurt?

          Keep in mind I am saying sane, not whether something is legal or moral

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Is it sane? That's a really broad term.

            Moral or Legal? Both carry a weight of ethics to live by. Sanity allows you to see them as they are and entitles you to understand.

            If you say anything and do anything, that doesn't harm yourself or others, then you are already morally justified, correct and/or legal. It only comes from sane and honest action.

            1. Greek One profile image79
              Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Is the act of judging others a violation of these ethics?

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No. Judging is only based on actions that hurt, harm or help others. A person can judge someone based on those and not be morally wrong. It's only a perspective/perception view. Technically, it's not really a moral right or wrong, because no physical action was taken against. Just a view was created.

                Judging others, based on anything other than their actions is futile.

                1. donotfear profile image90
                  donotfearposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                   
                  I like what you say h ere Cagsil.

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank you donotfear. How are you doing today? smile

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Remember when lust is "conceived" and still not controlled, it leads to the commission of actual sin.

    1. Greek One profile image79
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      defined controlled please

      1. livelonger profile image88
        livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Controlled means not giving into temptation and entering into an adulterous marriage - which is a condemnable sin - when you've been divorced. Just an example.

  4. profile image0
    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    self-control.

    Suppose you see a beautiful woman.
    Wait--I'm assuming you're a man, right?

    If you are, suppose you see a beautiful woman.  You're in admiration not just of her beauty, but you'd like to have her physically.
    You have a choice, right then, to turn your mind and your eyes to something/someone else that doesn't entice you.
    If you don't you'll allow conception of that lust, and you'll begin to dwell on it, maybe even act upon it by approaching her for the wrong reasons...

  5. livelonger profile image88
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    self-control.

    Suppose you see a charming man.  You're in admiration not just of his charm, but you want to get married to him. But you know that as a divorcee, you have no right to remarry - this is a condemnable sin that Jesus makes no bones about.
    You have a choice, right then, to turn your mind and your eyes to something/someone else that doesn't entice you.
    If you don't you'll allow conception of that lust, and you'll begin to dwell on it, maybe even act upon it by marrying him for the wrong reasons...

    1. Greek One profile image79
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i don't think i will have any problem turning away from a charming man

    2. profile image0
      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ah.
      I see you continue.
      Guess you'll have to crucify me behind my back.
      See you later.
      It will be much more interesting anyway, to see how far you take this while I'm offline.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Baiting? roll Ridiculous.

      2. livelonger profile image88
        livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Crucify you? Come now, Brenda. I'm just pointing out another example of unrepentant sin. You do a fantastic job of pointing out homosexuality over and over and over again. Doesn't seem fair to harp on one form of unrepentant sin and the punishment that awaits while not pointing out a glaringly obvious form, right?

        Besides, it's not as if I'm saying any of this behind your back. You reading and responding to it makes that abundantly clear.

      3. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So - what you are saying is that it is OK for you to go against the Word by preaching and having extra marital sex, but not OK for other people to sin?

        Did I get that right?

        Brenda - sin - OK
        Others - sin - not so much - sez Brenda.

        Does this mean that the sin of women preaching and having sex and marriage after breaking your word to God and getting divorced is less of a sin that say - homosexuality?

        Is there a grade to sinning I am missing? Where do atheists come on the scale? Are we above or below adulterers and people who break their covenant with God?

        1. livelonger profile image88
          livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          She's gone. A funny pattern of hers.

          She'd rather not face the truth and realize she's a hypocrite. smile

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL

            I am still keen to know where I am on the scale. I guess you guys are well up there, but I thought the only truly unforgivable sin was not believing. She keeps dodging the women preacher thing, but now I know she is divorced, well.... I am not going to let that slide. lol

            1. livelonger profile image88
              livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              On her scale, everyone's going to Hell...except her. And other white, Dominionist Obama-bashers like her.

              She reminds me of this guy:
              http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archiv … ntheon.php

              The more they scream about others' sins, the more sinning they're doing themselves. tongue

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That is classic. lol

            2. TheGlassSpider profile image81
              TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              If you're serious, Mark, it's my understanding that there really is no "scale" for sin as you so eloquently put it. All sin is abomination and God cannot look upon it (hence the need for agents like messiah and angels). Also, there is NO sin in non-belief. It is worse to be a hypocritical believer than to not believe at all. According to my understanding (which is, admittedly, only human and flawed, I'm sure) now is NOT the time when all things have been revealed and so belief is not necessary at this time. It's also my understanding that we're ALL going to hell, regardless of sin, because "hell" means "grave."

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Well - it is kind of you to give me your personal interpretation of this, but I do not recognize the concept of sin.

                I was pointing out Brenda's hypocrisy and remembering why I do not do religion or a belief n an invisible super being.

                Nevertheless - he that blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. wink

                1. TheGlassSpider profile image81
                  TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Well I understand that, Mark...but how can you blaspheme against something you don't know, believe in, or understand? You might say empty words about the Holy Spirit, but you're incapable of truly blaspheming it simply because you've not experienced it.

                  God isn't stupid; He understands how difficult it is to believe. That passage is talking specifically to the kind of person who proclaims their belief, then turns their back on the Holy Spirit--that's the true blasphemy. All the passages in the Bible are not meant for everyone. This is the difference between "meat" and "milk".

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    God doesn't exist. That which you have sadly mistaken for a god is something else completely.

                    You are deluded and this "well you would not understand  because you have never experienced god" statement - albeit in this case with different intention - is the root cause of the animosity towards "religious nuts." wink

  6. donotfear profile image90
    donotfearposted 7 years ago

    Definition of a "religious nut".

    Brian David Mitchell : abducted Elizabeth Smart in Utah and held her captive for months as his 'wife'.

    Jim Jones : responsible for the suicide deaths of his entire 'flock' in Guyana by using manipulation and brainwashing.

    Tony Alamo (aka, Bernie Hoffman): convicted of trafficking minors across the state line for sexual relations. Arrested for this and physical abuse of members of his 'cult'. In prison forever.

    These 3 examples are either mentally ill with psychosis or grandiose delusions. I have no compassion on them for what they did. A combination of mental illness and hyper religion can be deadly placing a potential 'victim' in bondage. Defining when a person actually "crossed the line" into a 'religious nut' is fine. These examples are what I consider religious nuts.

    1. Greek One profile image79
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      but what is hyper religion?

      1. donotfear profile image90
        donotfearposted 7 years ago in reply to this


        Hyper religion is sometimes present when a mentally ill person is in a manic state. They have an over-inflated sense of "religious grandiosity" believing they may be 'the annointed one' or 'the messiah'. They may pray inconveniently, constantly, inappropriately in public while using extreme expression through body language. They have a preoccupation with grandiose delusions of a religious nature. Way out of context. For example. I had a client recently who was 'hyper religious'. She was in her room, sitting on her bed with her hands pressed together in prayer constantly, even durring my assessment. Standing up, pressing her hands against the wall looking up. Continually making references to God, the Lord when it was un-necessary, out of context in the conversation. It's not hard to recognize when somebody is actually over the line. This was one sick woman.

      2. Disturbia profile image61
        Disturbiaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What about David Koresh of the Branch Davidians.  I'd say he was a religious nut.

    2. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      donotfear says: A combination of mental illness and hyper religion.... (causes a religious nut to place) ...a potential 'victim' in bondage. (paraphrased just a little - see above for original, full quote)

      That sounds like religion in general. And sooner or later it's deadly.

  7. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    Did you say religious nut or religious gun nut?
    http://mjbell8.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/6a00d83429324e53ef00e54f6efdc38834-800wi.jpg

  8. iantoPF profile image87
    iantoPFposted 7 years ago

    What about me?

    http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Daibanjo/Blogs/Druid.jpg

    1. TheGlassSpider profile image81
      TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What about you? smile

  9. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Just to let everyone know....HubPages Staff just fixed the problem with the editing function of posts.  smile

  10. RKHenry profile image78
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    Right wing Republicans.

  11. Faybe Bay profile image82
    Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago

    It goes on a bolt and has a cross on it.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol

  12. Octavius7 profile image60
    Octavius7posted 7 years ago

    Anyone who insists on forcing their religious views on someone else is a religious nut, period.

  13. RKHenry profile image78
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    Jim Jones

  14. RKHenry profile image78
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    Tammy Faye Baker.
    Now there's a real winner.  Them Christians, sure do know how to pick'em.

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    SirDentposted 7 years ago

    I am one of them also.

  16. Disturbia profile image61
    Disturbiaposted 7 years ago

    I guess in my opinion a religious nut would be a hazelnut as they appear to have a tonsure when you look at them directly from above.

    1. Greek One profile image79
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i have never used the word tonsure in a sentence before today

      1. Disturbia profile image61
        Disturbiaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well every day brings new experiences.

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    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    In my opinion, a 'religious nut' is someone who is overly obsessed with anything religious either in favor of, or against.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Of course you are - but that is because you are a religious nut. lol

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        As are you. lol  Actually, it seems like you are the most religious person on this forum.  How does that work out?  I dunno.  I miss the good ole days when all things said were taken lightly with a good laugh.

        Thought I would come back after two months and see if anything has changed.  Apparently not but heck, since I am here with nothing better to do today.  I thought I would drop a line and see how quickly you would respond.

        I was pretty disappointed, it took you about 2 minutes. lol

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Then we agree. You are just as much of a religious nut only you don't understand why.

          And this new ability to edit what the other person quoted makes us all look like idiots. Other wise - I ain't never agreeing with a Jesus freak like you. LOL big_smile

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            sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL, that is funny!  big_smile

  18. BDazzler profile image82
    BDazzlerposted 7 years ago

    I think a religious nut is a pecan that goes to church all the time.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL, does peanut butter count?

  19. Arthur Fontes profile image90
    Arthur Fontesposted 7 years ago

    Here is a religious nut.

    http://www.killsometime.com/videos/3069

    LOL  smile

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      McAfee says that that link is bad.

      1. Arthur Fontes profile image90
        Arthur Fontesposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Seen that one.  Actually I think I saved it to my favorites too!  big_smile

  20. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    All religions are nuts!
    I don't have a problem with those who don't try to "save me from hell". I never argue with the religious amongst my family and friends.
    They understand clearly that I think their belief is bunk, and that if they start ramming it down my throat, I will suggest it is time to see a doctor. smile

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    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    http://sxmprivateeye.com/files/images/Jesus%20Fruit%20and%20Nut.JPG

    1. Mamelody profile image60
      Mamelodyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      no wonder cadbury tastes like heaven.. it was Jesus' fav chocolate too smile

 
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