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What is a "Spiritual" person?

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    A Newsweek poll of Americans in April of last year found that..."Nearly half (48 percent) described themselves as both "religious and spiritual," while another 30 percent said they were "spiritual but not religious." Only 9 percent said they were neither religious nor spiritual.

    What does it mean to be spiritual but not religious? Do you have to be pro-active in some way? Is this another term for "New Ager?" Does Spiritual infer belief in God?

    Just curious. The subject came up in another thread.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/192915/page/1

    1. marcel285 profile image83
      marcel285posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am a 'deeply spiritual person'. All it means is that i am very 'in tune' with my self and the world around me..Like being in a constant state of meditation. I speak the truths of my heart and soul. There's nothing 'eerie' or anything like that about it. It's just simplicity.

      But i'm also down with a number of spiritual practices, and concepts, because they help to relax and open the mind..Like buddhism, zen, feng shui, sacred tibetan teachings..etc..It is the power of inner peace..Is what spirituality is.

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        IdeaMorphistposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I consider myself to be spirtual but not religious. This is because I truly believe in a higher power and see values and morals that I agree with throughout a bunch of different religions. However, I do not practice "rituals" of any kind in particular. I "pray" in my own way, I "bless" my loved ones, food or surroundings in my own ways, or I even battle my intuition to determine my "best actions."

    2. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In the modern era the attribute of being "spiritual" infers the compromising of oneself into being content with life around you, without actually putting forth the effort to learn and investigate that life.  I've noticed that far too many people don't have confidence in their own judgment, and feel that they will be deceived.  In light of this, they "create" their own religion, or shell, to protect themselves and their notion that they have not been deceived.  It's understandable.  Modern society has advocated the mindset of "reward without effort."  This is part of the reason of the new age distaste of "organized religion."  The modern rendition of spirituality requires no sacrifice and no effort to master oneself.  It is built upon sandy foundations and will eventually falter.

      Of course, this mindset has always existed, but has been fueled in today's world.  Just like schooling and work, all knowledge and happiness requires effort, study and application.  There is really no way around it.  That's life.  To be content and happy without the actual effort to "seek" answers is farce, and will only cause further misery and distress.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is meaningless. There's no such things as spirits so it makes no sense that one is "spiritual" - philosophical claptrap.

      1. marcel285 profile image83
        marcel285posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I pity your arrogance.

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I pity your ignorance. smile

          1. Davidsonofjesie profile image59
            Davidsonofjesieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            earnest you see through a lazerbeam that cannot move

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I would suspect that those who make claims to being spiritual are the arrogant ones, don't you think?

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            marcel285posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Obviously not smile

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Then, explain yourself, why do you think I'm arrogant making that post?

              1. marcel285 profile image83
                marcel285posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                For starters, your attitude is, 'I am right and you are wrong.' Is that not a prime example of arrogance?

                1. earnestshub profile image89
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Sometimes it is simply the truth. smile

                  1. marcel285 profile image83
                    marcel285posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    What makes you think you have the answer to what the truth is Earnest? In which way are you superior?

                  2. Davidsonofjesie profile image59
                    Davidsonofjesieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    you wouldnt know truth if it slaped you in the face!!!

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I never said such a thing, I simply offered an opinion from a reality based position, one in which the physical laws of the universe are firmly planted. "Spirits" clearly violate a number of our physical laws, hence they can't possibly exist.

                  If you have some evidence for spirits or can explain to me how they can violate our physical laws, feel free to present it. I await your intelligent response.

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                    Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Quantum physics is a science is it not?
                      Physical laws are not what they once were.

                  2. marcel285 profile image83
                    marcel285posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    When people choose to be close minded, how can they learn about these things?

                    If there was physical evidence, we wouldn't be having this discussion, obviously.

                    I don't care to prove anything to anyone. This thread posed a question, and i was simply answering it.

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      britneydavidsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Spiritual person is one who knows himself very deeply. He can't do anything wrong, if by mistake something wrong done then he can't repeat same mistake again.

      He has love for all whateever he or she may be. He understand God and understand others.

      He speaks soft and sweet. Any one can be a spiritual person and it is not hard. now question arise how??---Wake up early in morning and wash your face. Now seat on chair, slowly forget about this world, try to forget yourself and think as you are small light (soul) and then go away from this world to red world where there is so much light and God is front of me. Take all power from him, talk with him, talk with self do for 15-20 min, then plan yourself what you have to do for whole day--sure you will enjoy your whole day not only you but whoever comes in contact  with you they will also feel happy.

      Try this surely life will change.

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      smithevneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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        Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for posting. I also checked out your website. Thanks, but my colon is just fine the way it is.

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        (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Not a chance. An honest person doesn't lie to themselves. To believe in the invisible and undetectable is intellectually dishonest.

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    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Human Spirituality is through honest action, for which, protects their integrity and love for oneself, while you love and understand, and have mercy on those who do not know how to do the same.

    Faith is to be placed in oneself and other human beings.


    Edit: Human Spirituality doesn't not require religion or religious belief in a god.

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, Cagsil just summed it all up lol

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      Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Insightful. Thanks for posting.

  3. Lynda Gary profile image59
    Lynda Garyposted 7 years ago

    I'm one of those "spiritual but not religious" folks.

    For me, being spiritual means that I am interested in, focused on, and find it important to 1) be a good person; 2) give to my fellow humans; 3) see the meaning in life and appreciate it; 4) think and feel beyond the superficial level of the ego.

    No, religion has nothing to do with it.  I know plenty of folks who are deeply religious but just don't "get it."

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      Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sounds like Buddhism without the Buddha.

      Would you say there are different varieties of spiritualism just there are different theologies?

      1. Lynda Gary profile image59
        Lynda Garyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Absolutely.

        I don't believe that ANY two people can believe and perceive EXACTLY the same thing about ANYTHING.  We just aren't made that way.  We may think we see things the same, but we don't.  Each person's perspective is unique.

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          Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for your answer.
          I think things like treating others fairly, and feeling connected with natural things are inborn and shared regardless of our belief systems. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/smile.gif

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            Lynda Garyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't know (unless I missed your point.)  I'm working with a young man right now who does not feel that "connectedness" to anything or anyone.  So, IS it inborn and innate, or is it learned?

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              GypsyDreamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Now really, this conversation is just getting humanist- nice

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What?big_smile

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          With the varying degrees the eye may have in focusing, most certainly all eyes see the world around us, if functioning correctly. The world does not change from one person to another.

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          getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this



          Profoundly true, when it comes to things unseen.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What?big_smile

  4. kess profile image61
    kessposted 7 years ago

    A Spiritual person is one who know God the Father.

    Everything else is fake but who is the one who can Judge only the Spiritual themselves.

    Spirituality and world's religion go in separate direction.

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      Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for your thoughts Kess.

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    They're full of all kinds of nasty spirits. Spirit of bigotry, coveting, greed, lying, pride and that spirit of false teaching. I'd rather have the spirit of the granite or a slug.

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    marcel285 wrote:
    I am a 'deeply spiritual person'. All it means is that i am very 'in tune' with my self and the world around me..Like being in a constant state of meditation. I speak the truths of my heart and soul. There's nothing 'eerie' or anything like that about it. It's just simplicity.
    But i'm also down with a number of spiritual practices, and concepts, because they help to relax and open the mind..Like buddhism, zen, feng shui, sacred tibetan teachings..etc..It is the power of inner peace..Is what spirituality is.

    Will Benson wrote:
    Thanks for your thoughtful answer. Would you say that a spiritual person concentrates mostly on the present instead of some future life? Is inner peace it's own reward -- here and now?

    1. marcel285 profile image83
      marcel285posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeas. Focus on here and now..life as it is. Soak it up and be grateful for everything, regardless of positive or negative.

      Inner peace in itself is it's own reward. It is ultimate fulfillment.

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    Will Benson wrote:
    Thanks for your answer.
    I think things like treating others fairly, and feeling connected with natural things are inborn and shared regardless of our belief systems.
    Lynda Gary wrote:
    I don't know (unless I missed your point.)  I'm working with a young man right now who does not feel that "connectedness" to anything or anyone.  So, IS it inborn and innate, or is it learned?

    Will Benson wrote:
    I guess I was thinking of some posts in this forum and elsewhere that pondered whether atheists have a personal motivation to act ethically or morally, since they're not reined in by religious beliefs.
    I believe that morality and connectedness are probably part of our inborn nature...probably genetic, since it probably increases our evolutionary survival advantage.
    When we are overly stressed and depressed we often feel isolated, but hopefully you can motivate your client back to a feeling of being normally "connected."  Good luck. smile

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    goldenpath wrote:
    "...Just like schooling and work, all knowledge and happiness requires effort, study and application.  There is really no way around it.  That's life.  To be content and happy without the actual effort to "seek" answers is farce, and will only cause further misery and distress."

    Will Benson wrote:
    I agree that probably many people who call themselves "spiritual" don't put much effort into walking that walk. I also know some however, who have done the spiritual meditating and study for decades. They all seem very centered and comfortable in their own skin.
    Ques - What do you think would have to happen in order for young people to seek their spirituality from religion rather than from secular sources? Should religions modernize or stand pat?
    Thanks for posting. smile

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think we are seeing the fruits of religions modernizing right now.  I take comfort, however, that my own chosen faith is very careful not to compromise doctrine for the sake of numbers and modern convenience.  Once you start down the road of compromising your foundation because of what others think, then you have literally stepped off solid ground and onto sand.  It is extremely dangerous for an individual and/or religious organization, to justify their actions for the sake of modern views.  Lives are at stake.

      As far as the young of today - it is beginning to happen.  I believe the rising generation is a special and chosen one.  It would not be proper to go into the "why" as it is not part of your question posed.  The human spirit knows when it has been placed in a perilous situation.  A situation fed by media and those of closed minds.  Eventually, yet slowly, the spirit longs for answers, liberty and increased agency to choose.  One by one, these youth will rise up in the face of such adversity, and will reclaim their bright future.  It will be a long road.  Will they get it from religion?  Not necessarily.  What's important is that they not be blind and that they do the seeking for their own answers.  They need not be so gullible to accept as truth the banners and snips on the internet or even the opinions of the anchormen on the news.  Seek and ye shall find.

      I appreciate your comment.  I noticed a very interesting sentence though.  "They all seem very centered and comfortable in their own skin."  I, personally, submit that answers come through consistent sacrifice of those things we hold dear like money, sleep, leisure activity, food and other desires.  We are to find joy and meaning in our lives, but we should be far from content in the thought that we are at our full potential.  True and meaningful happiness comes through sacrifice.  The search for truth and answers is a lifelong process and can be an arduous one.  It requires constant effort and nurturing of the elements needed.  It requires constant effort in serving others without desiring recompense.  It requires charity and heeding those opportunities to uplift another.  It requires constant study.  It requires constant application of various doctrines, principles or knowledge you wish to test and prove for yourself.

      Sure, the answers are out there for each one of us, individually.  Yet, there is a big difference between the mask of happiness, and happiness without the mask.  The one that's lasting and carries deeper meaning, requires work and sacrifice on the part of the self.  The other does not or at least requires very little.

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    goldenpath - Sorry for the delay in responding. It took me awhile to read your answer and digest it. I liked this part:

    "The search for truth and answers is a lifelong process and can be an arduous one.  It requires constant effort and nurturing of the elements needed.  It requires constant effort in serving others without desiring recompense. 
    It requires charity and heeding those opportunities to uplift another.  It requires constant study.  It requires constant application of various doctrines, principles or knowledge you wish to test and prove for yourself."

    I may frame that. Thanks for posting.

    1. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you for your consideration. 

      I am religious, but the path to spirituality lies not in stone in religious practices.  I'll illustrate this and my previous post with this experience.

      I knew this frail old lady who did not go to church, had no desire to go, and yet was grounded in the principles of work that our previous generations were raised with.  She was poor and had little heat for comfort in the winter.  Still, though, she had knitted blankets for people she did not even know, for years, until her death.

      On the flipside, there was this lady who was very staunch in church attendance.  She was very "by the letter" in her tithing and was a nice enough person.  However, she did very little in service to others.  Her entire church going existence hung on the "letter" and not the "spirit" of the law, and therefore didn't progress.

      So, which one do I believe progressed spiritually and has found favor with God?  The first!  Why?  Simply because the first took the time to "seek" answers and happiness through the application of charity, which is among the greatest virtues that one can nurture.

      Upon death, you leave with the same spirit you died with.  If your heart and mind is filled with the love of your fellow beings, than you will be more teachable and more apt to grasp further principles that you'll be taught on the other side.  If you leave with a hardened heart towards man, you will still retain that pride when the time comes to learn further principles of our existence, and you will not be as likely to accept or grasp it.

      This is why application in this life is so important for those we serve and for us.

      1. marcel285 profile image83
        marcel285posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Great example

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    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    What a bunch of 'spiritual' persons !!! lol

    1. Rayalternately profile image60
      Rayalternatelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I wanna be the ghost of Christmas future, he was always the coolest! Is that what we're on about here? big_smile

  11. marcel285 profile image83
    marcel285posted 7 years ago

    Right, everyone has the right to believe what they choose too. Wrong, it is wrong to belittle others beliefs..One who has no moral standards and compassion for fellow beings.

  12. quicksand profile image85
    quicksandposted 7 years ago

    Spiritual? The word itself suggests that spirituality is something that links you to celestial stuff and all that. Impressions of someone with a far away look in his eyes ... not bothered about whats going on ... not responding to humor ...
    My opinion of course.
    Someone who is hell bent on ethics is far more valuable.

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      Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wasn't that the point of Goldenpath's post, above? smile

      1. quicksand profile image85
        quicksandposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sure! My version. smile

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    Q wrote:
    I simply offered an opinion from a reality based position, one in which the physical laws of the universe are firmly planted. "Spirits" clearly violate a number of our physical laws, hence they can't possibly exist.
    If you have some evidence for spirits or can explain to me how they can violate our physical laws, feel free to present it. I await your intelligent response.

    Will wrote:
    Q - I think we should bear in mind that our physical laws (Physics) are often revised as new hypotheses graduate to become accepted theories. Quantum theory, while not experimentally proven by any means, does leave some wiggle room for realities unfamiliar to us.

    "String theory is of interest to many physicists  because it requires new mathematical and physical ideas to mesh together its very different mathematical formulations. One of the most inclusive of these is the 11-dimensional M-theory, which requires spacetime to have eleven dimensions, as opposed to the usual three spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension of time."
    Ref: M. J. Duff, James T. Liu and R. Minasian Eleven Dimensional Origin of String/String Duality: A One Loop Test Center for Theoretical Physics, Department of Physics, Texas A&M University

    An 11-dimensional metaverse wouldn't mean Spirits or God necessarily exist, but until/unless its nature were known, anything's possible.
    True, string theory works well mathematically but it is still hypothetical (though it's the darling of many physicists).

    So, looks like we're stuck with faith and belief, or not, for now.

    My thoughts, respectfully. smile

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is one of the most successful theories science has ever discovered. There are mountains of hard evidence. Ever hear of a particle accelerator?



      String theory is purely mathematical and has not yielded a single result. I'm not familiar with that branch of mathematics, but then, few are. And, if there is something that comes from string theory, it will not give any credibility to the supernatural as these theories are for our physical world.



      Faith is all there is, nothing more.

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    marcel285 wrote:
    "Great example"

    Will Benson wrote:
    I agree  smile

  15. goldenpath profile image82
    goldenpathposted 7 years ago

    In my estimation, just my own, it seems the discussion became two-toned.  Being "spiritual" and "spirits" in general.  These are two, very different subjects in my judgment.  Many know my doctrines on the nature of spirits, but that is not what the thread asked for.

    To me, being spiritual is the journey or path in one's life in achieving the fulness of joy and happiness.  The word "spiritual" implies the exploration of that part of life which is unseen by the natural eye.  Again, notice my use of verbs again as in previous posts.  Exploration, true exploration, requires effort in navigation and the courage to accept or deny that which you find.  Yes, everyone is an individual and is different.  For this reason, everyone's "spiritual exploration" will differ greatly one from another.  As mentioned before, what's important is that we are all, at least, making the effort to explore this unending field.

    This is what I've often referred to as the "gospel lens."  Part of the reason for so much discord on the forums about religion is the view, or perception, of life that each of us have.  For those of us who uphold and stand by certain codes of conduct and views, tend to look at the world through the lens of the spirit, or through a set of doctrines and principles upon which the prism of life discerns it's colors.  This causes us to see alternate meanings in the events around us, hence a "spiritual perspective." 

    At the same time, and in respect for the other side, life is viewed through facts, figures and those things which are tangible and easily obtained through the natural senses.  That is the world we live in.  Both schools of thought are pertinent to happiness in this life.  There is room for both.  The journey, or exploration, also consists of the painful, yet vital, dilemma of combining both schools of thought so that they work in harmony and concert one with another.  This can be painful, I know, but it can happen.

    For myself, I have no inconsistencies between the two.  To me they work in concert.  I view the world through a "gospel lens", and through that lens I discern and apply all science as well as all religious doctrine so that I may be able to look beyond the here and now and gain a clearer view of the end goal.

    Just a few more of my own personal views. smile

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    Thanks G.P.

    Now you've got your homily all written for Sunday. wink

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      goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, for the most part, yes.  However, for the first time in local history I've been asked to speak at a Catholic Good Friday service coming up.  A Mormon speaking before a Catholic congregation - truly remarkable times, indeed.

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        (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, remarkable. It just goes to demonstrate the hatred your cults propagate to those who don't share your beliefs, indeed.

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        Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        GP - Congratulations on your joint service with the Catholics. Hope all goes well. smile

  17. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Here is a sermon for you, from the good book!

    Death for Blasphemy

        One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



    Kill False Prophets

        1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,  and the predicted signs or miracles take place.  If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them.  The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul.  Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone.  Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.  The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt.  Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.  (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



        2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.'  You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?'  If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message.  That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared.  (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

    That should put the fear of god in em! lol

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      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this



      What a loving God!  Our God is awesome.  I don't understand why everyone isn't worshipping such a merciful master.
      Amen!  http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t222/biarmampus/emoticon/scared-1.gif

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        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is a mystery isn't it? lol lol lol

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    Q wrote:
    It is one of the most successful theories science has ever discovered. There are mountains of hard evidence. Ever hear of a particle accelerator?

    Will Benson wrote:
    The Quantum theory/superstring branch is successful only as a mathematical framework but it is not yet supported experimentally. Not at all. Its really Quantum hypothesis. The LHC may support it or the elusive particles may be beyond its production/detection capability. If Quantum is proven viable, most scientists will probably agree that we then would have a workable "theory of everything." I see no reason why this will have any effect on attitudes toward religion or spirituality, which is what this thread is about.

    Q wrote:
    String theory is purely mathematical and has not yielded a single result. I'm not familiar with that branch of mathematics, but then, few are. And, if there is something that comes from string theory, it will not give any credibility to the supernatural as these theories are for our physical world.

    Will Benson wrote:
    String and superstring theory -- is a branch of Quantum theory which shows great promise in uniting relativity  (dealing with small things) with cosmology and everything in between --  into a single mathematical model. It is untestable as of now, but if it proves workable, the experimental evidence should be doable.

    Q wrote:
    Faith is all there is, nothing more.

    Will Benson Wrote:
    ??? The Pope couldn't have said it better.

    1. GypsyDream profile image59
      GypsyDreamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have been reading all of these posts, and have come to the conclusion that I would weigh in on this debate after all. Truelly "faith is all there is." I will have to submit that in every belief system, faith is required. Even atheism is a task- an inner journey to be undertaken. None of this is easy, or it would not be faith: it would be the cop-out of not being aware of our existence (pretending to ignore our own questions). The fact that all of these are faith systems lies in that these systems are constantly being tested. We are forced to think about what we truelly believe in when we enter these debates, that is what makes them so beneficial (and partially why we are drawn to them).

      To be spiritual takes a certain leap of faith. To see so many different people weighing in on this subject gives me hope. Faith is not always easy, but to be willing to post a view on this thread: I can at least know that there are those of us (all views included) who are willing to try.

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        Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Gypsy - As I read your post, I think I have to agree that most of our beliefs are based on "faith" rather than things we prove first, then believe. I define faith as a personal belief based on evidence that we consider personally relevant. Maybe I was too flippant in posting the emoticon -- I thought it was amusing and admittedly didn't stop to think that it might offend some people. If you are one of those people, please accept my apologies.

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          GypsyDreamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh- no aplogy needed. There was no offense.

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    heatherward15posted 7 years ago

    Religion is a manmade contraption. Religion is what we deem as Christian, or Muslim, etc. It is what man has made it to be. It is more or less a study of physical meaning. Whereas spirituality is a personal feed. What one finds within themselve. Whether they are Satanic, agnostic, or Taoist. I am Taoist or eclectic Taoist I am something different every month. I have very strong and strange spiritual beliefs. Although, if ask I will never respond as religious that is what creates wars. Spirituality is what promotes good chi and life within ones self. Personal journey if you will.
    Although, this is fun to look at it: Even in the bible Jesus says that he hs not religious he is spititual. He even meditated.
    This is what i find in myself though. This could be a completely different meaning all together within someone else. It just depends on the person.

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      Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Heatherward15 - Thanks for your very thoughtful post. You said you're a Taoist - do you think for a person to be spiritual they need a framework like Taoism? Does it vary with the individual? Can atheists be spiritual, in your opinion?

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        Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well I'll take a stab at that question. It would depend I suppose on how one defines spiritual. Many people believe that when they are being spiritual they are in touch or in sync with the "Spirit", or following the leading of the "Spirit".

        Of course, the eastern religions are different, but people tend to still believe they are in touch with a higher consciousness.

        I think for the atheist, or for the spiritual atheist, it is about being in touch with our own (humanity's) better nature.

        When a religiously spiritual person seeks answers within themselves, or outside of themselves as the case may be, I believe their spirituality is tainted by their religious beliefs.

        When an atheist seeks answers within themselves, our thoughts are generally tainted by the things humanity in general values, and also by our collective knowledge and experiences.

        The spirituality of spiritual believers is based on the spirit or "Spirit" of a god, while the spirituality of spiritual atheists would be based on the spirit of humanity's better nature.

        So yes, I'd say atheists can be spiritual, but I'm certain there are many religious believers who would say they can't, based on their definition of spiritual.

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          Will Bensonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          PB - This is a great post. This is exactly the kind of balanced information I was hoping for when I OP'd.
          Great thoughts. Take care.

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            Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you, Will.

 
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