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What if the universe is a brain?

  1. Daniel Carter profile image91
    Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago

    What if the whole universe is actually an intelligence, and everything in it is actually a part of the workings of that intelligence, or in other words, part of the "brain." Let's say for exploration's sake that this premise is a real possibility.

    The universe is alive and in motion. It's living. Therefore it could be conceivable that it is intelligence.

    Where does that put God in it for you as believer or nonbeliever?

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think inanimate matter such as rock and regolith could be alive.

      1. Rochelle Frank profile image89
        Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        A brain is inanimate grey matter without the electrical impulses.

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          True, note the inclusion of 'electrical impulses' on your part, something devoid in rock and regolith, which would follow with the definition of inanimate.

          1. Rochelle Frank profile image89
            Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, but I said "without the impulses". I'm picturing a brain  on a table in a science lab... sitting beside a rock.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              smile

      2. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The particles that compose them are "alive" in that they are in constant motion. Therefore, inanimate objects have a "vibration" as does everything else, constituting my deduction that all things are "living" (after a fashion).

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Something that is in constant motion simply follows Newtons law and does not define something as being alive.

          1. Daniel Carter profile image91
            Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Uh huh, I studied that too. But that's not entirely my point here.

            The same particles that make up a rock also make things we consider alive. For the sake of simplicity, they are just configured differently. Therefore, when you get down to that basic building block level, it's easier to construe, philosophically, that all things have some type of "life" because they are made of same particles, but configured differently. It's less scientific and more about creativity and philosophy, that's all.

      3. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        rock=bones?

    2. kirstenblog profile image78
      kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This is kinda my feeling about the nature of God, it kinda makes sense to me smile

    3. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Daniel:
      Clearly, that is a possibility.
      There have been scifi stories written that come close to that thought.
      Since size exists as a "relative" concept (googolplex..micro and macro) and since all matter is more space than mass, you offer a very possible reality.
      I, in one of my writings, describe our universe as being part and parcel of a piece of chewed bubblegum stuck to a childs bedpost.
      I love that kind of thinking and imagination...:-)
      (Forget this mythical god crap.)

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Remember the last scene from "Men in Black" where one little alien carried a necklace or something, and in it was a unverse/galaxy of some kind (that the camera closes in on and magnifies.) Sort of a wild perspective, but when you think about the cosmos, I kind of think in those terms. It's a fascinating thought, whether true or not, it depends on your perspective, I suppose.

        1. qwark profile image61
          qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          DAniel:
          EXACTLY!  :-)

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ewwwww

      I want out of the brain

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, I want to be able to harness the power of the brain...
        wink

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          Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol well..thats sounds good too

    5. Obscurely Diverse profile image59
      Obscurely Diverseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I've thought of this before, and it's an interesting concept.
      Once you start contemplating theories that involve concepts with variable size & proportion versus our current version of known mass...it becomes as endless as infinity.  You might as well add string theories and multiple dimensions to the mix, as in either case, nothing ever ends...as it is all without limitation.
      But, to be more pertinent, this particular theory would have to involve an ultimate unity...regardless.  Picture it as endless dividends from one source of energy.  Then again, we could be in a minuscule hologram, for all we know.

    6. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      yea What If?  My favorite question, well right after do you want to...err, um ...well..you know... 


      big_smile

      1. Obscurely Diverse profile image59
        Obscurely Diverseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's deep, in its own right...  LOL!

      2. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Now my head hurts. I'm feeling that aneuryism, Mikel!!
        Now what am I supposed to do?
        lol

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Lol! aspirin I guess...but is aspirin like an asteroid hitting the life forms living in the universe of the throat??? Isn't that genocide then?

    7. double_frick profile image81
      double_frickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      what if the universe as we know it is merely a cell in this brain. and there are more universes making up a whole being, i mean, it could just go on from there, fractally. anything is possible, science can only tell us what can be proven. science will always prove more and more meaning there is much left we likely haven't even scratched the surface of. these theories, i think, are possibly more than just philosophical, fringe science i guess.

      i like what jerami said about our bodies being a universe, i mean we think of size but size is relative. so is physical form, well, i believe anyway. maya and all that. ;P
      but i don't believe the brain is the god, more like the remote control. lol  when we die our brain stays here, inactive. what activates it? the soul.

      though i may sound a bit nutty, i really appreciate this thread daniel carter!  *hugs thread*

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I like your thoughts, too, double. It's a kind of mind expansion that we are doing, and I find it refreshing and very creative. Keeping the creativity going is a big deal to me.

        Thanks for the cool thoughts!

    8. tantrum profile image62
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If the Universe is a brain , we're part of its imagination. So we're not real.
      I once wrote a story about it. We humans, only a dream of an unknown being.
      Could be.
      Or this Universe could be an atom of another Universe ,that's an atom of another.... we can go forever ! LOL!I love sci fi ! big_smile

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Me gusta mucho!
        You should write a hub about it too, Tantrum.

        1. tantrum profile image62
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe I will ! I have to translate it, as it's in Spanish.
          Thanks Daniel. Great idea !
          I think my next hubs will be about sci fi. I'll leave poetry for a change !

    9. goldenpath profile image81
      goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The glory of God is intelligence.  Your analysis is right on in my opinion.  It is live and vibrant.  It is full of life and intelligence.  It is immensely populated with other worlds and people.  It is history rich with worlds being constantly created as well as destroyed.  It has purpose and order.  When pondering the universe, regardless of our infant understanding of physics, all things are truly possible.

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        (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        When one has no understanding of physics, they imagine all sorts of things they consider possible, despite the fact physics does not support their delusions, or ever will.

        What's worse are those same who make childish claims that "all things are truly possible" and use physics to back up those claims. They are truly the intellectually dishonest.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This from the person that thinks F=MA is the third law of motion...  roll

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            (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I never said it was, but an understanding of that formula on your part would demonstrate why your theory is bunk.

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You did in your comment on my hub about it. I just re-read it to make sure.

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                (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No, I didn't. I just re-read it, too. You have a problem with synthesis, Mikel.

                And, while I was there, I saw this gem:

                http://hubpages.com/hub/Look-Out-EinsteinHere-I-Come

                I thought you were out to lunch on Newton, but that one takes that cake. There is no way you understand relativity as you haven't even the basic mathematical skills to understand Newton. You should be ashamed of yourself for making that hub.

    10. Tom Cornett profile image54
      Tom Cornettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The universe...the mind of God...I like that thought.  smile

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    Okay all I could see in my head was all of us walking around on a squishy brain. Thanks for that mental, Daniel lol

  3. stephensaldana profile image62
    stephensaldanaposted 7 years ago

    Its a bit tricky thing to believe or not to believe..For me there is no intellectual and no brain as universe as such.. its one body and one soul that works and reap its own fruits and virtues.. To me Uviverse is not any barin and we are not its workers.. we are the workers to ourselves and moreover to our GOD!

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    StormRyderposted 7 years ago

    If the universe is a brain we must be giving it one helluva headache!!! big_smile  Planet Earth = Universal Aneurysm lol

    1. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      Good analogy.

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      speaking of Aneurysm...  Hello gorgeous!!

  5. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Great question...... Something along the lines of this was what I kinda had in mind when I posted the other day.

      I have often thought of the Universe as a living Body such as our own. Growing, everchanging, with a destination already determined. Our bodies can be looked upon in a similar fashion. A human body is a universe in and of  itself. All the parts working for the common good of the body. "Our" brain is ...   
    "the god" of our own individual universe. Does our big toe recognize the soverign authority that our brain has over it?  It doesn't matter if it does or not.
        The universe that we look upon when we gaze up into the sky goes on infinitely.
        We can look inwardly and it goes on infinitely into a smaller degree so to speak.
        If a molecule in our big toe had any type of inteligence it also could see itself as a universe in and of itself. looking inwardly.
       I do believe that we can see and "Scientifically" proove only those things that are in our miniscule part of the universe that we are part of. 
       You can easily say that the ant bed in my back yard exists in a universe separate from the one that I live in.
       I have the ability to demolish it whether it recognizes my abilities to do so or not. The same is the case with my big toe. If it causes me too much trouble I can simply cut it off.

    1. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      These are very good observations, Jerami. There is a lot of deductive reasoning in it, but still unfettered by a lot of scientific technicalities. It's this type of thinking that leads scientist to theorize what else there is in the universe, and then they begin to formulate ways to prove them. I think that's what this thread is about: exploration.

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Some times there are things outside of our selves that we can not understand or prove. It would be logical that there "ARE" also things outside of this universe that are not provable.
           I have faith that  There are many realities that no one will ever be able to prove.   
           We can only prove those things that are within our own scope of understanding.

           I apologize for being in and out so much but making an income keeps interupting.

  6. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago

    I remember as a kid sitting around pondering these very same things...  *sigh* ...to be young again...

  7. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    Evolution is conscious. big_smile

    1. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There ya go reducing it all down to something simple.
      How dare you.
      lol

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ah, but it only looks and sounds simple. It's all in conscious perception. big_smile

  8. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 7 years ago

    Hmm, take a look at this :

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Pale_Blue_Dot.png

    If universe is actual intelligence then where do we stand ?...  roll

    1. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You tell me. I have no problem with the image and being a part of all that's "out there."

    2. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We are still alive to wonder and ask where we stand without being wiped out like the dino's yet. big_smile
      Can the size of something always define it's importance?

      1. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My point was if the universe has intelligence, then we're nothing to it(this is where religious and theist gets beaten badly in logic). And Like your theory of self-sustaining design, it'll wipe us out if needed(this is where atheists will go wrong). Size does matter and that decides a lot of things if we assume universe has intelligence. Like do you care 300th of your body hair is giving you trouble ? So do we stand a chance for such a vast universe ? roll

        1. Daniel Carter profile image91
          Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Part of the realization of the universe is that we truly *are* nothing in comparison to its utter vastness and limitless possibilities. However, we still *do* exist, do we not? And we are intelligences of a variety who reign over out our own little universes.

          Your point is completely valid, that for whatever reason—whether an intelligence or a god or force—that we could wiped out over any whim or even a cosmic accident. Hence the symbolism of the story of Noah, and many others. But still, we *do* exist, and for the time being, continue to exist, so we really are not nothing.

        2. marinealways24 profile image61
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The universe is kinda how I imagine our minds. We have estimated billions of neurons in our heads only connected through synapses. We have billions of planets and stars in the universe that I think could be all connected like a giant synapse.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            worm holes are the universes synapses??  hmm Black holes are the outgoing ones and suns are the incoming ones (from the anti-matter universes) hmm hmm

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It could be an imaginative synapse.  Why would life on earth have a purpose if everything else in the universe didn't have a purpose?

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Exactly...  hmm

                1. marinealways24 profile image61
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  It seems to be a partially controlled synapse if that makes it seem any better. lol

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

        3. Pandoras Box profile image82
          Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Huh.. Interesting thought. What value does humanity really have?

          1. Jerami profile image76
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            How imortant is your little toe or index finger
            I won't go on and on but some of the parts are pretty darn important.

          2. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            If we are part a brain and we were taken out, could there still be synapsis with missing pieces?

          3. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            very little so far. That doesn't mean that one day we might not grow and evolve into something important to the universe...but for now you are correct, if humanity disappeared from existence right now, we would not be missed.

            IMHO

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I don't think this can be known for sure one way or the other. In evolution, how many things happen that don't need to happen? How many things does evolution evolve that it doesn't need or use? Most that I can think of have specific purposes for evolving. Why would there be purpose to evolution if there was no purpose to the life to the universe?

  9. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    At about the age of 8 or 9 while looking up into the stars I had contimplated about being the center of my universe simply by deducing that I am the center of my understanding.
       Remember that I was young and had watched a TV show where a person sacrificed themselves for someone else and I questioned the logic of this. If the same circumstances presented itself to me  (8 year old reasoning) it seemed illogical to sacrifice myself; (the universe)  to save something that would not exist in this universe if this universe no longer existed it wouldn't either.

       And then I was watching a program about quontum physics that explained a theory of each person being compaired to a universe in and of its self. And there being an infinate number of universes that exist within a giver area.

      Too deep for me to understand at my age...  Maybe I could have understood it better when I was eight ????

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    china manposted 7 years ago

    If the universe is a brain - and we are speaking for it - then your god would be the asylum

  11. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    It seems;  Though my brain is in my head, the tip of my toe is aware that the brain is watching over it.

    1. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Watching over it? Or keeping an eye on it? lol

      Being what we are, we could conceivably one day threaten the stability of the universe.

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sure could !!!  when the cells in the body don't get along gangreen sets in and if it spreads ????????
           Maybe love compadion and understand are the antibote

    2. skyfire profile image73
      skyfireposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is difference between your brain aware of toe and finger and universe (as intelligence) aware of blue dot(earth and species in it).even if your brain loses response with toe you can survive just like many disabled who lost sense are alive. universe(as intelligence) model if not aware of humans then whether we survive or not is not a problem for it as it continues to exist with or without humans.

  12. tantrum profile image62
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    It looks like the Universe is not a brain ! hmm

    lol

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      maybe the entire universe is a single-cell of a brain?

      1. tantrum profile image62
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Looking around, that would make more sense !!

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    (Q)posted 7 years ago

    Mikel claims:

    "Time is a constant."

    No, it isn't. If it was, relativity would be false. That is what time dilation is all about. Time dilation has mountains of evidence to support it.

    Mikel claims:

    "Motion and the velocity of that motion cannot change or alter time"

    Yes, it does, that is the main concept behind relativity.

    Mikel claims:

    "G-Force: A force acting on a body as a result of acceleration or gravity, informally described in units of acceleration equal to one g. For example, a 12 pound object undergoing a g-force of 2g experiences 24 pounds of force.

    The compression effect that a body at rest undergoes when being effected by a body that is in motion and is causing the body at rest to accelerate/move. The effects of G-Force on the human body is a contraction or condensing of the body.

    The clocks 'tick' less fast because of the increased resistance, the added friction the g-force creates. The objects are shorter because of this condensing effect of G-Force. Not Time dilation."

    Rubbish. Special Relativity is about objects that are NOT under acceleration, that's why it is a "Special" subset of General Relativity.

    Mikel then states:

    "Or that one can be made into the other and back again...perhaps the beaming technology of Star Trek was inspired here? Mass being a measurement of matter?"

    One does not gain an understanding of physics from TV, Mikel.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      roll

  14. tantrum profile image62
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Nor from HP forums

 
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