What if the whole universe is actually an intelligence, and everything in it is actually a part of the workings of that intelligence, or in other words, part of the "brain." Let's say for exploration's sake that this premise is a real possibility.
The universe is alive and in motion. It's living. Therefore it could be conceivable that it is intelligence.
Where does that put God in it for you as believer or nonbeliever?
The particles that compose them are "alive" in that they are in constant motion. Therefore, inanimate objects have a "vibration" as does everything else, constituting my deduction that all things are "living" (after a fashion).
Uh huh, I studied that too. But that's not entirely my point here.
The same particles that make up a rock also make things we consider alive. For the sake of simplicity, they are just configured differently. Therefore, when you get down to that basic building block level, it's easier to construe, philosophically, that all things have some type of "life" because they are made of same particles, but configured differently. It's less scientific and more about creativity and philosophy, that's all.
Daniel: Clearly, that is a possibility. There have been scifi stories written that come close to that thought. Since size exists as a "relative" concept (googolplex..micro and macro) and since all matter is more space than mass, you offer a very possible reality. I, in one of my writings, describe our universe as being part and parcel of a piece of chewed bubblegum stuck to a childs bedpost. I love that kind of thinking and imagination...:-) (Forget this mythical god crap.)
Remember the last scene from "Men in Black" where one little alien carried a necklace or something, and in it was a unverse/galaxy of some kind (that the camera closes in on and magnifies.) Sort of a wild perspective, but when you think about the cosmos, I kind of think in those terms. It's a fascinating thought, whether true or not, it depends on your perspective, I suppose.
I've thought of this before, and it's an interesting concept. Once you start contemplating theories that involve concepts with variable size & proportion versus our current version of known mass...it becomes as endless as infinity. You might as well add string theories and multiple dimensions to the mix, as in either case, nothing ever ends...as it is all without limitation. But, to be more pertinent, this particular theory would have to involve an ultimate unity...regardless. Picture it as endless dividends from one source of energy. Then again, we could be in a minuscule hologram, for all we know.
what if the universe as we know it is merely a cell in this brain. and there are more universes making up a whole being, i mean, it could just go on from there, fractally. anything is possible, science can only tell us what can be proven. science will always prove more and more meaning there is much left we likely haven't even scratched the surface of. these theories, i think, are possibly more than just philosophical, fringe science i guess.
i like what jerami said about our bodies being a universe, i mean we think of size but size is relative. so is physical form, well, i believe anyway. maya and all that. ;P but i don't believe the brain is the god, more like the remote control. lol when we die our brain stays here, inactive. what activates it? the soul.
though i may sound a bit nutty, i really appreciate this thread daniel carter! *hugs thread*
If the Universe is a brain , we're part of its imagination. So we're not real. I once wrote a story about it. We humans, only a dream of an unknown being. Could be. Or this Universe could be an atom of another Universe ,that's an atom of another.... we can go forever ! LOL!I love sci fi !
The glory of God is intelligence. Your analysis is right on in my opinion. It is live and vibrant. It is full of life and intelligence. It is immensely populated with other worlds and people. It is history rich with worlds being constantly created as well as destroyed. It has purpose and order. When pondering the universe, regardless of our infant understanding of physics, all things are truly possible.
I thought you were out to lunch on Newton, but that one takes that cake. There is no way you understand relativity as you haven't even the basic mathematical skills to understand Newton. You should be ashamed of yourself for making that hub.
Its a bit tricky thing to believe or not to believe..For me there is no intellectual and no brain as universe as such.. its one body and one soul that works and reap its own fruits and virtues.. To me Uviverse is not any barin and we are not its workers.. we are the workers to ourselves and moreover to our GOD!
Great question...... Something along the lines of this was what I kinda had in mind when I posted the other day.
I have often thought of the Universe as a living Body such as our own. Growing, everchanging, with a destination already determined. Our bodies can be looked upon in a similar fashion. A human body is a universe in and of itself. All the parts working for the common good of the body. "Our" brain is ... "the god" of our own individual universe. Does our big toe recognize the soverign authority that our brain has over it? It doesn't matter if it does or not. The universe that we look upon when we gaze up into the sky goes on infinitely. We can look inwardly and it goes on infinitely into a smaller degree so to speak. If a molecule in our big toe had any type of inteligence it also could see itself as a universe in and of itself. looking inwardly. I do believe that we can see and "Scientifically" proove only those things that are in our miniscule part of the universe that we are part of. You can easily say that the ant bed in my back yard exists in a universe separate from the one that I live in. I have the ability to demolish it whether it recognizes my abilities to do so or not. The same is the case with my big toe. If it causes me too much trouble I can simply cut it off.
These are very good observations, Jerami. There is a lot of deductive reasoning in it, but still unfettered by a lot of scientific technicalities. It's this type of thinking that leads scientist to theorize what else there is in the universe, and then they begin to formulate ways to prove them. I think that's what this thread is about: exploration.
Some times there are things outside of our selves that we can not understand or prove. It would be logical that there "ARE" also things outside of this universe that are not provable. I have faith that There are many realities that no one will ever be able to prove. We can only prove those things that are within our own scope of understanding.
I apologize for being in and out so much but making an income keeps interupting.
My point was if the universe has intelligence, then we're nothing to it(this is where religious and theist gets beaten badly in logic). And Like your theory of self-sustaining design, it'll wipe us out if needed(this is where atheists will go wrong). Size does matter and that decides a lot of things if we assume universe has intelligence. Like do you care 300th of your body hair is giving you trouble ? So do we stand a chance for such a vast universe ?
Part of the realization of the universe is that we truly *are* nothing in comparison to its utter vastness and limitless possibilities. However, we still *do* exist, do we not? And we are intelligences of a variety who reign over out our own little universes.
Your point is completely valid, that for whatever reason—whether an intelligence or a god or force—that we could wiped out over any whim or even a cosmic accident. Hence the symbolism of the story of Noah, and many others. But still, we *do* exist, and for the time being, continue to exist, so we really are not nothing.
The universe is kinda how I imagine our minds. We have estimated billions of neurons in our heads only connected through synapses. We have billions of planets and stars in the universe that I think could be all connected like a giant synapse.
very little so far. That doesn't mean that one day we might not grow and evolve into something important to the universe...but for now you are correct, if humanity disappeared from existence right now, we would not be missed.
I don't think this can be known for sure one way or the other. In evolution, how many things happen that don't need to happen? How many things does evolution evolve that it doesn't need or use? Most that I can think of have specific purposes for evolving. Why would there be purpose to evolution if there was no purpose to the life to the universe?
At about the age of 8 or 9 while looking up into the stars I had contimplated about being the center of my universe simply by deducing that I am the center of my understanding. Remember that I was young and had watched a TV show where a person sacrificed themselves for someone else and I questioned the logic of this. If the same circumstances presented itself to me (8 year old reasoning) it seemed illogical to sacrifice myself; (the universe) to save something that would not exist in this universe if this universe no longer existed it wouldn't either.
And then I was watching a program about quontum physics that explained a theory of each person being compaired to a universe in and of its self. And there being an infinate number of universes that exist within a giver area.
Too deep for me to understand at my age... Maybe I could have understood it better when I was eight ????
There is difference between your brain aware of toe and finger and universe (as intelligence) aware of blue dot(earth and species in it).even if your brain loses response with toe you can survive just like many disabled who lost sense are alive. universe(as intelligence) model if not aware of humans then whether we survive or not is not a problem for it as it continues to exist with or without humans.
No, it isn't. If it was, relativity would be false. That is what time dilation is all about. Time dilation has mountains of evidence to support it.
"Motion and the velocity of that motion cannot change or alter time"
Yes, it does, that is the main concept behind relativity.
"G-Force: A force acting on a body as a result of acceleration or gravity, informally described in units of acceleration equal to one g. For example, a 12 pound object undergoing a g-force of 2g experiences 24 pounds of force.
The compression effect that a body at rest undergoes when being effected by a body that is in motion and is causing the body at rest to accelerate/move. The effects of G-Force on the human body is a contraction or condensing of the body.
The clocks 'tick' less fast because of the increased resistance, the added friction the g-force creates. The objects are shorter because of this condensing effect of G-Force. Not Time dilation."
Rubbish. Special Relativity is about objects that are NOT under acceleration, that's why it is a "Special" subset of General Relativity.
Mikel then states:
"Or that one can be made into the other and back again...perhaps the beaming technology of Star Trek was inspired here? Mass being a measurement of matter?"
One does not gain an understanding of physics from TV, Mikel.
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