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Who Framed Jesus

  1. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I watched a program last night on History channel called who framed Jesus.
      Did anyone else watch it; If so what is your take on it.

    1. dogluver1 profile image61
      dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I saw that too! lol

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I saw a commerciall for it. My take on the commercial was..nobody framed Jesus.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well it went through the diffrent scenerio about Judus, Pilot, The high priest etc talking about what each of them were suposed to have said and done, discussed why each might have and might have done what is told that they did.

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          Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          it was all prophicied.
          they did what they were supposed to do? I thought.
          what if Judas hadnt done his thing?
          would we all NOT be saved? would Jesus still be here, on earth all..
          but? but? Im supposed to be back in heaven by now?

          1. Hokey profile image60
            Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Paradox warning.


            How can something be prophecy  and man have free will. To say it is prophecy is to say it is destined. That negates free will.

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              Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              smile  Im just saying according to the bible it was prophicied he would die, innocent. so OBVIOSLY he had to be framed so I didnt get the point of making a movie?

              1. Faybe Bay profile image83
                Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Justine! We have a Buddhist Thread now. Wanna come and visit?

              2. Dim Flaxenwick profile image59
                Dim Flaxenwickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are so right , Justine. The bible prophesy told the jews that a Messiah would come and die for them. It doesn't "negate free-will" Just means that Jesus died willingly for us. The whole thing is far too interesting and complicated to be sorted out on this forum. I don't know why people gewt in such a tizzy over other people's opinions. Sheesh !!!!

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Based on what? The bible?

          1. Faybe Bay profile image83
            Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You're late (Q) The OP is at work, and we ran it all down. It is about a History Channel program of the same name. No real debate.

            Ironically, later down the page you will find we came to the decision world hunger is a more reasonable subject for debate. As one of your two hubs is on that subject perhaps we are all on the same page after all.

    3. samboiam profile image61
      samboiamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My grandmother framed Jesus. She had him in an 8x10. lol

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        Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        holy cow. that is funny!!!!!

        1. adrienne2 profile image83
          adrienne2posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Now that is funny love it!!

      2. skyfire profile image72
        skyfireposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

    4. Cly Walsh profile image59
      Cly Walshposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Considering there isn't a shred of evidence he existed as a mortal or otherwise I'll take Potent Potables for 200.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Really? Are you absolutely positive about that? hmm

        1. Cly Walsh profile image59
          Cly Walshposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hmm, on second thoughts I'll take Anal Bum Cover for 600.

    5. AEvans profile image71
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I watched it to and I have to agree Judas possibly framed Jesus I love the history channel. smile

  2. Dim Flaxenwick profile image59
    Dim Flaxenwickposted 7 years ago

    I didn't see the programme, Who framed Jesus? but I can read.! There's no room for doubt in the gospels that the Pharisees and other religious leaders framed him for blasphemy. Heck, they even tried to kill Lazarus after Jesus had resurrected him .!!!! Worst case of trying to destroy the evidence I've ever read.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      the point that stuck out in my mind was how the three stories in the Gospels progressively exalt the inocence of the Roman Governments involvment. According to the storyline in the show this was not likely.
        The Rome Empire was COMPLETELY inocent according to the scripture that the Roman Catholic Church chose to put in their cannon.  This was my take on the story.
        I believe in the God of Abraham though I have doubts as to the accuracy of the NT.

      1. Faybe Bay profile image83
        Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You hit the nail on the head there Jerami. The church gives us what we have of these letters that were over time copied by monks, scribes.

        The reality is, and many argue, The Christ (whichever incarnation you choose to believe him to be, Horus, Mithra, All the rest) Was predicted to die, so he had to die. The stories all hold one common thread, he told Judas to "do what you must do"

        That being said, the story should be that he had himself betrayed because without his death there would be no resurrection, no fulfillment of prophecy, he betrayed himself.

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ha   Faybe  leave the computer and as soon as ya bo someons says ha... 
            The show was intresting giving diffrent views as to what is written on diffrent things.  The non I mentioned above realy stuck out for me. And the Judus thing also. Jesus said" Go do what you must do"  Like a command.

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        Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        But you believe the show???

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I watch the diffrent views concerning why diffrent people might or might not instigate the killing.
            Thought about which story made sence in my beliefs.
          As I said  "MY beliefs"

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            Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, I can read..

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You don't buy the trinity Deborah? smile

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                Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No..not the way Christians believe it. My Spiritual tool which is the Kabbalah..is based on Psychology...Jung was a Mystic too...

            2. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Wasn't repeating for your benefit.
                Was waiting for someone else to say "can you prove that"
              And to tell the truth I can not even prove that I believe anything. HUMM

  3. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Zealots are big into killing each other, it's a biblical thing. lol

  4. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Who framed Jesus ?

    His Father. Who else ?

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You got that right.   But who got framed for killing him?

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nobody.
        there's no record.
        all the guilt falls on his Father.

        God.

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The only records that are avaliable on this issue is the bible that Rome put together. So of course the Jews proclamed that they accept the blame and The governor that ordered it be done is inocent.

          1. Faybe Bay profile image83
            Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Even the Bible does not blame the Jews, I'm gonna have to go look it up now.

            1. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You might be right. That might be one of those things that is interpretater or jist made up that I learned from watching TV.  laying dormate in the back of my mind. I think it is in there??

              1. Jerami profile image77
                Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                John from  19:12 and Luke 23:20 thru 24             
                    seeming to say that Pilot wanted to let him go but the Jews insisted. I was thinking that the Jews said that they accept any blame but I'm not sure if it is actually written in the bible.

                1. Faybe Bay profile image83
                  Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No I will find it.

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Hey Faybe Bay,

                    You don't have to find it. It's already know how and why Jesus had to die. The question is how many people know the truth and can actually take from the bible what's need and vacate the mythology of most of it's parts?

                    Usually, it is done by ministers, scholars and the educated elite, per se.

                    The average person is left to figure it out for themselves, so much of the translation or understanding of the bible itself and it's significance is misleading.

                    It's unfortunate, but does happen when people are corrupted.

              2. Dim Flaxenwick profile image59
                Dim Flaxenwickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Dear Faybebay, The bible DOES blame the jews for killing Jesus, just not All of them Many jews became Jesus' followers.  But if you check out John chapter 11  from verse 44 onwards, you'll see how some of the jews who'd witnessed the resurrection of Lazarus went straight to the Pharisees, (also jews) verse 53 "Therefore from that day on they took counsel to kill him"

                1. Faybe Bay profile image83
                  Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes and As I said, this thread was started about the history channel show "Who framed Jesus."
                  Pharisees are priests of a sect, so are sadducees, but who had the greatest to gain by killing him? The royalty, they just didn't want his blood on their hands. The church and state were co-existent. The Temples doubled as banks. Lending sacrifices for later pay. They did not want this to end, and the King did not want a revolution. The Leaders conspired, and then "moved the crowd" to ask for Barrabas and crucify Christ.

                  Now that I have defended that point of view, if you read down the page you will see the question is really why did Rome want to make everyone believe that it was the Jewish Multitude who crucified Jesus?

                  Debate has ended, Jerami is at work, and his wounds have been eased.

                  1. Dim Flaxenwick profile image59
                    Dim Flaxenwickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    OK. Seems fair to me.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Actually it does.
              Acts 4: 10 specifically names the Israelites as Jesus's crucifiers.
              But Paul's accusation was also an accusation to ALL non-believers, in effect.  He's telling all the people that Jesus died for them, and testifying to the fact that it's because of Jesus that he himself (Paul) is standing before them.
              And I will add that it's not so much a "blame-placing" (since Jesus willingly gave up His life) as it is that Paul is trying to get them to understand the magnitude of what had happened----that Jesus was the ONE who died to save them from their sins.

          2. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Those are only suppositions.
            And if Jesus is God's son, as you Christians believe,He died for our sins by God's orders. So the only one to blame in this story is God.

            1. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm just saying what it said.
                 Didn't say I agree with it.

              1. Faybe Bay profile image83
                Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Here, try this Matthew 27 :15-26 It is the priests in every case, who are angered. and in each scenario "move the people" to request the release of Barrabbas. Another reason I do not follow "religions".
                I each gospel if you back up a few verses, it is the priests, not the Jewish people.

                1. Jerami profile image77
                  Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I went to a few churches for a while a couple of times.
                    Quit going when I noticed that no one liked my asking the tough questions.  Wasn't trying to be a trouble maker just wanted an answer and when they wouldn't answer I had to tell um what I thought the answer must be. And I was going to keep that concept till they could give me a better one.
                     Like I said  They don't like me no matter how much they said they loved me.

                2. Jerami profile image77
                  Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  That was it Matt 27:25   "..His blood be on us and all of our childre".
                    Can you imagine they realy said that?
                    I think that this might have been added in this book for political reasons.

                  1. Faybe Bay profile image83
                    Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You have already seen what I believe Jerami, I told you, you are mathematically advanced of me. That being said, I will discuss further with you the sins of the father.

                    It is this. The sins are not "Paid for" by the children, They are not "suffered for" by the children.
                    It means that children see what their fathers do, and mimic that. It takes ten generations for a child to finally say "Hey, my daddy was wrong and so was his daddy and his before him... This is right."

            2. Andrew0208 profile image61
              Andrew0208posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The issue of sacrifice has to be totally understood, we should ask what was the essence of His death to mankind? We ought to understand spiritually why His blood was sacrificed for reconciliation of man with God. In fact Jesus was framed by God's Word to fulfill this great purpose. It's beyond the comprehension of self, religion and science.

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            Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The Jews say this ..Huh???

            1. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I didn't say they did..
              I am saying the bible says they did.

  5. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I reckon it was wodger wabbit! smile

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      Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was going to say Roger Rabbit..but he was framed too..was it maybe....Jessica?

  6. quicksand profile image83
    quicksandposted 7 years ago

    Reminds me of a scene from "Asterix The Gaul!" The pirates' ship has been smashed to smithereens and each of them is hanging on to a piece of wood from the debris which helps them to stay afloat. The leader exclaims, "We've been framed, by Jericho!"

    An asterisk at the end of that statement points to an explanatory note at the bottom which says, "Jericho - An ancient Gaulish artist."

    lol lol lol

  7. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Yep! God killed himself! lol

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's why he's nowhere to be seen !!
      lol

    2. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That is kinda what the story says.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Suicide by God proxy. lol lol

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        Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Christ was not and is not God..maybe you should stop watching TV to learn about your religion...

  8. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I rote a comment the other day about getting up early one morning, knowing that it had snowed all night,
      I got up went rabit hunting in the new snow.
      Followed the rabit tracks for hours never to see that little rascle Wabbit. Even though I never saw it, I am sure that it exists.

      Found out later that at first light them little rascles will run in circles many times to cover it's scent before it returns to its burrow. Probably watched me all along...getting ready to catch it.

  9. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    At the time of Jesus, the Religious Educated Elite were in rule. This was associated with "religious teachings", which Jesus refused to teach.

    With Jesus' refusal, it was him signing his own death warrant. The religious leaders found him a threat to their religious teachings and had him executed for NO CRIME at all.

    It wasn't blasphemy, because Jesus was speaking the truth. The Truth was that Religion's "GOD" didn't exist and accused their actions as being evil.

    The only damn reason people even think about 'sin' is because of Religious teachings, for which, you are not suppose to follow, under any circumstances. Religion's "GOD" and it's "Will" is nothing but a hoax.

    Hidden away in Religious teachings is Jesus' work, only because after his execution....to incorporate the masses, they add his work, and came up with Christianity.

    Jesus' last name wasn't Christ.

    1. profile image60
      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe Jesus wasn't his first name, either. wink

  10. Rochelle Frank profile image87
    Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago

    After all this time, why are people still pointing fingers and trying to find someone to blame? Didn't Jesus preach forgiveness?
    If He was OK with the result, why aren't we?
    Let it go, whether you believe it or not.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The  question isn't who dun it..

         But why was the story leaning in the direction that it leans.

      1. Rochelle Frank profile image87
        Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Meaning what...?
        That it blames someone?

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I just think that the way in which the story is told was told the way that it was for political purposes.
            I think that the basic story as told is true.
            But the spin doctors edited the new testament.
          And There was much more that should have been included.

        2. Faybe Bay profile image83
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey Rochelle, it goes back to why "people" think the Jews killed Jesus. It is just the age old debate, but now this History channel thing brought up some of the conclusions. Jerami, wants to know if it was a political/religious assassination of the Jews.

          1. Rochelle Frank profile image87
            Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well I still don't think it matters-- because it is not supposed to be about group blame or guilt. Forgiveness is the message.

  11. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I'm going to roll out of bed in about six hours so

       Good night yaul

  12. karlscabin profile image60
    karlscabinposted 7 years ago

    I know EXACTLY who framed Jesus. Leonardo Da Vinci did, right after he painted the last supper.

    1. Rochelle Frank profile image87
      Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's not in a frame-- It's on a wall of Milan's Church of Santa Maria delle Grazie.

  13. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    I thought he got nailed after the last supper?? hmm

  14. terrowhite profile image59
    terrowhiteposted 7 years ago

    No one can frame Jesus! its Almighty! people come and go but jesus watches and stays forever.. even on the doomsday it will be there.. its a human but came from teh etarnal world..

  15. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Every one is correct with what they said above
    . In truth it was not the Jewish people, their priests, nor the blame of Judas.

      My question is why does scripture tell the story the way it does. Why does it place the blame every place but The Roman Government.
      For over 250 years the Romans attempted to do away with Christianity and could not do it.  If christianity could not be destroyed they had to at least get a handle on it.
      When Constantine established the Universal Church, He was the supreme authority over this Church.
      History was re written at that time
      The books that were included in the canon was stratigicly selected and called the inspired of God.  From that day forward Christianity started going a diffrent path. 
        It seems we see the facts that we want to see.
    And understand them the way we want to. Close our eyes to that that we do not want to see.

    1. Faybe Bay profile image83
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I understand your frustration Jerami. It is an age old debate. People have spent more time working out what should or should not be in the Bible, and what it is all supposed to mean, than they have on solving the problem of poverty.

      Imagine, taking the number of scholars it has taken over the years, to compile, translate and print this compilation of ancient writings; add to that the work and rework done each time it has been translated into other languages; add to this the number of translations in the English language alone. Now, count the names and the years and imagine those same numbers working out a solution to world hunger and poverty.

      Words written and translated thousands of years ago, and people are still starving in our world. How many hours, Jerami, will you agonize over something that happened before any of us were born.

      This is why I do not debate words written by people I never met. It is not productive.

      You are a brilliant writer, you have a gift I could never hope to achieve myself, interpretation and math, together in one mind. Use your brilliance, let go of the past mistakes of people we never met.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I am humbled by your words.. And you are correct that we should live in the present and take care of our problems of today.
         
          Before I go to fix a hole in somebody elses sheetrock.
        (gotta make a living)  I want to share some of grandpas wisdom.
          If ya want to fix what is wrong in your life ya gotta figure out what ya did wrong ta get ya to where you'r at. Stop doing whatever that is and life will soon get back like it is suposed to be.
          Religion in my opinion took a wrong turn someplace. Or it wouldn't be in the condition it is in.
          Instead of fighting about where we are and the stuff that is going on;  we should figure out how to get back to where we are suposed to be.

          Any way   ..   sigh,..  Yaul have a great day .. while I go slaveing around the neighborhood.

        1. Faybe Bay profile image83
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Good luck Jerami, and yes we have much to fix. But it has to be started one on one, a single person at a time. Taking on a system never works. History will show I am right. In every revolution the purpose was lost. One person at a time will work globally. I am looking for some quotes, have a great day at work.

  16. theirishobserver. profile image60
    theirishobserver.posted 7 years ago

    Roger Rabbit smile

  17. KeithTax profile image81
    KeithTaxposted 7 years ago

    I think the same guy that framed Roger Rabbit, framed Jesus. roll

  18. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Hay Hay...
    hello Mr Hokey

    Hockey 
    Paradox warning.
      How can something be prophecy  and man have free will. To say it is prophecy is to say it is destined. That negates free will.

       To answer the question ...  It's kinda like getting on a cruse ship.. Ya might say that it is propesied that you are going to Jamica You have free will...  play shuffelboard, poker at the bar, swim in the pool chase girls , whatever ya want to;... You have free will...
        BUT  you'r goin to Jamica.

    1. Faybe Bay profile image83
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nice! I like that. We may have to start a new thread. This one has been up and down all day. I have been trying to act as bouncer.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's an interesting role to accept..... lol lol

        And, depending on what frame of mind one is in it could be very, very interesting. lol lol lol lol lol

        1. Faybe Bay profile image83
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe I should have said Peacemaker... big_smile

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Naw....that doesn't work any better, but I'm sure you probably would look good in Military clothing wear? Hmmmm..... lol

            1. Faybe Bay profile image83
              Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Are you sprouting wings now?

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Now, what in the world would make you say that? smile wink

      2. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I saw that..  You'r a good friend...

          I think this is a good subject that has a lot of potential to bridge a number of  Intresting issues when we really think about it.

        1. Faybe Bay profile image83
          Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, about that. We have a Buddhist thread for Cagsils and non-Cagsils, with no arguing. It's peaceful. smile

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol lol lol

            Interesting? smile

            1. Faybe Bay profile image83
              Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Don't get a swelled head.

          2. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Goina check it out.  Back in a few

  19. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    If we realy think about it  ???  Ya stop and think about if political propiganda entered into the New testament concerning this issue I ask myself What does this mean?  How ? and why?    And how deep did this go?  All kind of questions come to mind.

    1. Faybe Bay profile image83
      Faybe Bayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It was about money. It is always about money.

  20. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    My computer is running slower than molasses in January.
      And kicking me off of HP . Bet it needs to be hospitalized.
    Lost sp ck a couple of days ago. can ya tell?
       Goinna shut down and reboot.   That is about all I know how to do.  cleared cookies yeaterday.  Maybe it's mad.

  21. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    There were hundreds if not thousands of writtings that were written after the crucifixion and before the establishment of the Universal church in 326 AD.  I find it intresting that those writtings that were accepted into the canon were mostly favorable to Rome?  The persicution of Christians biblicaly speaking were mostly carried out by the Jewish religious leaders.

      It is through other historical records that we understand  the extent of Roman persicution towards Christians .

      Most people forget that for almost 300 years the Roman Empire attemped to exterminate Christians.
      And then all of a sudden a Roman Emperor desides to gather all the Church leaders together and gets them to agree with a particular doctrine having him (Constantine) as the ultimate authority over the Universal Church.
       No wonder that the selection of writtings selected as scripture will show Rome in the most favorable light as ispossible.

 
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