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Can a blind man show path to a blind man?

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Hi friends

    “Recently a study showed that many ministers don’t believe what they preach. They claim to know what they preach is wrong, but go on preaching it.”

    One may think: Can a blind man show path to a blind man? If the pastors don’t know; how could they teach others to know?
    It is so simple to understand.

    God Almighty has indicated three types of knowledge:

    1. Knowledge by certainty of reason,
    2. Knowledge by certainty of sight,
    3. Knowledge by certainty of experience.

    This may be illustrated thus:
    When a person perceives smoke from a distance his mind conceives that smoke and fire are inseparable, and therefore where there is smoke there must be fire also. This would be knowledge by the certainty of reason.

    Then on a nearer approach he sees the flames of the fire and that is knowledge by the certainty of sight.

    If one enters into the fire that would be knowledge by the certainty of experience.

    Jesus had himself entered into the fire of knowledge of God that is he received Word of Revelation from the creator- God Allah YHWH Parmatma AhuraMazda.

    Paul spoiled all the truthful teachings of Jesus based on Jesus’ experience mentioned above. Paul never spent any time learning from Jesus; so he had no knowledge of certainty. Paul was not even on the first stage of knowledge.
    What Paul made up himself; it is enough that “Christians” have been following it blindly till now; but in the present era Paul and the Church have miserably failed.

    The secular knowledge has uprooted the myth of Paul’s Theology invented by him at Rome. People don’t speak up and remain silent; but inwardly they have become Atheists and Agnostics.
    Christian believers could only maintain their belief if they follow Jesus and Mary and don’t follow Paul and the mythical Church. Only Jesus and Mary could salvage their belief. The Atheists Agnostics are cognizant of the situation prevailing; and hence flexing their muscles to create wedge between the believers and Jesus- one of the perfect men that have been born on this planet Earth.

    It is very appropriate time that the believers join in to reform Christianity and set it on to the path based on Teachings of Jesus and Mary and get rid of Paul and the Church to salvage Christians from the attack of Atheists Agnostics based only on doubt. They themselves name it “Skepticism” or path of doubt or devolution.

    I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      First things first. I think maybe you shoulkd have wriutten a hub on this instead of posting it in the forums. it is way too long for normal forum posts.

      Where or when did Mary teach? Nothing in the Bible states that Mary taught anyone.

      I see this post as an attack on the Apostle Paul. Instyead of saying Paul did things wrong, show what he did wrong. Then the rebuttals can begin.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friends

        Jesus did not die on the Cross; he was delivered from the cross in near-dead position. His friends took him to a nearby spacious and airy tomb for treatemet. When Jesus got recovered from his wounds he came out of the tomb with the help of his friends who treated him.Jesus went to Galilee secretly lest the Jews find him, arrest him or kill him again. From Galilee he went to self exile.

        Paul took advantage of Jesus' absence and made God out of him  and a new religion for nothing. Paul created a myth.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. srwnson profile image61
          srwnsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Someone should have informed Dan Brown!

        2. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What a good story ! big_smile
          And who created Paul's myth ? Paul Smith

          I'm going to write a serial for TV

          thanks !
          lol

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol No it was Paul smyth! lol

            1. Lisa HW profile image81
              Lisa HWposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              lol  lol    (Was Paul Smyth blind?)

        3. goldenpath profile image80
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          As one who is often put under foot on the forums I caution you not to post too much doctrine.  Especially doctrines of extreme nature.  Although it is your right to do so, just be aware that there will be backlash.  However, you won't get it from me. smile I truly do not believe your doctrine regarding Mary, but I do respect that you believe it and that alone is grounds enough for me to have no harsh feelings or attacks.  I celebrate that freedom of belief and religion - for all! smile

          I will only address one point of your thread.  It is very true that many clergyman are hypocrites and, in reality, do not practice what they preach.  Many do so for the love of power and the money received.  This is a shame as I know that there are many of all faiths who truly do believe and practice what they preach, including myself.  That is the only point I'll address.  Continual peace to you, bro! smile

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well if Paul took Jesus' death and made a new religion out of nothing and the Koran says you are also to follow the Torah and the New Testament and the Qu'ran came after Jesus then wouldn't the your religion also be a new religion for nothing?

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend sandra rinck

            Yes we follow what was Revealed on Moses and Jesus ; but that is not necessarily in the New Testament. New Testament is full of myths and contradictions.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So what parts of the New Testament do you follow or do you consider the New Testament garbage and so basically you only follow the Torrah and Quarn?

              1. Jerami profile image77
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I believe the New testament to be true, It is our interpretations of these scripture that is flawd.
                  Between the years of 60 to 65 AD the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is said to have been written.
                  So between these years when "everyone" is expecting the Messiah to Return ( any day now) as he said that he would, these desciples say that Jesus has not come back yet.
                   2000 years later Christians are still pointing to these verses and saying; "See; the scriptures say that he hasn't come back yet".  That is not sound reasoning.
                    I believe that the Messiah did come back during "that" generation as he said that he would.
                    He came to John on the Isle of patmos and told John that God had sent him (Jesus) to shew the revelation to his SERVANTssss. I believe that the second coming of Christ happened at that time.
                  We just didn't recognize it for what it was, caus it wasn't what we "Would" expect for it to have been.
                   Just like the first coming of the Messiah wasn't recognozed By many of the Hebrews cause it wasn't what they were expecting for it to be.
                   It happened, and we didn't get to see it.
                   The Messiah was promised to that Hebrew Nation that existed 1000 years before he came. A 1000 years before that Hebrew Nation ceased to exist. The second coming was promised to that Hebrew nation that ceased to exist around 135 to 138 AD.
                    This is one part that is wrong about the way the New Testament is Interpretated. If we could get past this ,  we would then see the scriptures in a new light.
                    And i think you would like it.

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                  paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  "This is one part that is wrong about the way the New Testament is Interpretated. If we could get past this ,  we would then see the scriptures in a new light."

                  Hi friend Jerami

                  So there are parts in the Bible which are correct and there are parts which are not correct. One should see through the scriptures and find out the truth therein.

                  Like our friend states there are parts which have been misunderstood and misinterpreted.

                  One should understand the scriptures with the help of latest research.

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi friend sandra rinck

                I follow the truthful one; which are reasonable and rational; not the mythical ones.

                Thanks

                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So in three days, Jesus was completely healed from his near death wounds, showed Himself to the same disciples, which removed him alive, to prove that He was alive?

          And then Jesus hid Himself so he couldn't be killed again?

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend SirDent

            Jesus survived; that is the main thing.Jesus showed his wounds to the disciples; it was the same physical Jesus with the same human body, his wounds had been healed. They put their hands in his wounds; if he had a glorious body not the physical human body, he must not have had wounds in it. Spirits don't have wounds .

            Christians themselves say that it were not three days+three nights; they are confused on it.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



          Have you ever been inside a tomb? How can a tomb be airy except with a big fan to push or pull air through it. If I recall correctly, there was no electricity at the time of Jesus and they didn't have an extension cord to run and power up a fan.

          Tombs were designed to be airtight. This way the smell of rotting flesh would be contained inside and not be floating about outside the tomb.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend SirDent

            The tomb in which Jesus was laid after the incident of Crucifixion was prepared by Joseph Armithia. It was not like the one you describe; it was airy and spacious; you can see one/it by accessing the following link:

            http://www.sacred-destinations.com/isra … arden-tomb

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        7. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes and some say he came to Kashmir.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend mohitmisra

            You are right there; history shows that Jesus went to India. One can see the following link; BBC documentry on it:

            http://www.google.com/search?q=BBC+Jesu … CBYQqwQwAA

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi paarsurrey,

              there is even a grave considered as his in Kashmir.

              Peace is the best way. smile

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi friend mohitmisra

                Yes, Jesus is buried in Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir, Inida.

                Jesus mother died in the journey; and she is buried in Murree (named after Mary)a hilly resort near Islamabad , Pakistan.

                I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

                Thanks

                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      2. Hokey profile image60
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How do you know Mary never taught? There are many, many ,many more gospels than what was put in the bible.

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          SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



          I think I asked for that info. I also know that Satan has his own gospels.

          1. Antecessor profile image80
            Antecessorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            "blind leading the blind"

            More like fools arguing amongst each other over who is the most foolish, who then write three books to convince each other.

            The Babble, the Torid and the Qu'ranus.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Ah the real trinity! lol

            2. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              A word to the wise who ever we think that we are.

                 It is very foolish to argue with someone that you think is a fool. There is nothing to gain. 

                A wise man does not wake up in the mornings planning on going and finding fools to scorn, funny looking people to laff at, or puppies to kick. 
                That takes a "very" small minded person to do so.  The fool has nothing to teach us and will learn nothing from us.   
                 So why should awise man bother.
                 When a wise man argues with a fool long enough, he will become foolish.   


                  Just wanted to say good night to all of my wise friends
               
                 Good night Grandpa.... Good night Marry Ellen...
              Good night John Boy....

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol lol I remembered that! Great parting line jerami smile

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              SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Can't sneak anything past you can we. What is your purpose for posting here again?

              1. Antecessor profile image80
                Antecessorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Whats yours?

                Are your beliefs threatened by my presence?

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                  SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Your presence threatens no one but yourself. Sometimes people say things that condemn their own selves. Then they blame everyone else for judging them.

                  I see you are here to simply insult. Why not confess it? it is good for the soul.

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                  paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi friend

                  You should keep posting whatever you think to be truthful; your presence hinders nobody. You write good.

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

              2. h.a.borcich profile image61
                h.a.borcichposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Dent,

                  I was wondering that also. It seems there are those who just can't allow others to have reasonable discusssions about anything pertaining to christianity. They struggle for any civil input, and viola! Have a great day! Holly

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                  paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi friend h.a.borcich

                  Yes, peaceful discussion is always useful. It is the language by which we understand one another.

                  Thanks

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend Hokey

          I agree with you. There are many gospels, out of which only four have been selected without any justification. The four gospel writers were the ones who deserted Jesus at the time he most needed them; they were disbelievers of Jesus. Had they believed Jesus they would have stayed with him there on the scene. Bible says they all fled away. Mary the mother stayed on the scene; she was brave enough.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wasn't the Agnostic Church the one set up first - and Pauls Church the one that came after and destroyed it - notably by excommunicating the Agnostic Bishop in Britain.   or do I have the names wrong?

      When my history books catch me up here I will look it up myself but in the meantime - anybody know ?

  2. Pandoras Box profile image82
    Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago

    It doesn't look like you guys need any help driving wedges between entities.

  3. shazwellyn profile image83
    shazwellynposted 6 years ago

    The blind leading the blind is like.... there is only one person worse than the fool and that is the fool that follows the fool!

  4. Glenn S. profile image60
    Glenn S.posted 6 years ago

    I think this sums it up. At a moment of understanding.
    Quote source unknown.
    ""I see", said the blind man.""

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend Glenn S.

      It is a good joke

      The blind man would have meant; he understands; seeing with the mind, not with the eyes.

      Thanks

 
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