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  1. Bigcountry12577 profile image59
    Bigcountry12577posted 6 years ago

    Jesus died over 2000 years ago.
                Nobody has ever referred to him as the late Jesus Christ,
                not even the heathens.
                No where in history.
                No where has he EVER been referred to in past tense!
                He is the Living God!
               



                "May God Smile on You Today"

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      AMEN!!!

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      SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He is alive today sitting at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us. He is the daysman that Job Prayed for. He is our advocate. He bridges the gap between God and man. He is the only one who is man enough to touch man and spiritual enough to touch God.

      1. Journey2244 profile image61
        Journey2244posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You are so right!!!!!

        1. Hokey profile image61
          Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Delusions are plentiful

          Hokey: 4:20

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            How true it is that atheists are full of delusions. I would venture to say that Buddhists are likewise full of delusions.

            1. Hokey profile image61
              Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              How is that? What do you know of Buddhism?

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                SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I know that Buddhists do not worhsip God. What else is needed to know?

                1. Hokey profile image61
                  Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually in Buddhism the interpretation of God is left up to the individual. So some Buddhists possibly do.

                2. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  lol  what made you come up with this statement ? Do you think Buddhism is based on atheism?

                  Buddha was an enlightened one like Jesus, someone who has fused with god the real self.

    3. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am glad that you can believe in this but it makes me curious as to why people still live in the dark ages of myths and superstition.

    4. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It seems you don't read a lot ! hmm

    5. Michael Adams1959 profile image41
      Michael Adams1959posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      PRAISE GOD AMEN!!!

    6. Michael Adams1959 profile image41
      Michael Adams1959posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      PRAISE GOD AMEN!!!

  2. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Let's change the history, so we're talking about late Jesus Christ. tongue

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend skyfire

      I agree with you. Jesus the late; did not die on the Cross. He was persecuted in Judea so he migrated to India and died a peaceful and natural death there. Jesus,late, is buried at Mohallah Khanyare, Sirinagar, Kashmir, India.

      One may visit there and pray for him on his grave/tomb.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  3. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Are we talkin about the late Jesus guy? lol

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    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    Mar 12:27  He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

  5. Challah1202 profile image73
    Challah1202posted 6 years ago

    Belief in Jesus is supported by a great deal of fact and research.  I am really excited to read about discoveries of new documents and excavations that confirm Biblical accounts.  Nevertheless, my faith in Jesus is based on the Bible's account of His life and the testimony of those who saw Him and left records of their encounters.  In addition, I am constantly reminded of His love for me today.  When I claim a promise He made to me, I am blessed and my faith is renewed.  Those who do not have faith will probably not see His hand at work in their lives.  There is a measure of grace that He pours out even to the unbelieving.  If you are the recepient of that undeserved favor, perhaps your faith can begin to grow, too.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have been the recipient of what you call grace ever since I read my way through the bible and dumped being a religionist.

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You still recieve grace from God. The breath you breathe is of God. Your heart beats only because God allows it.

        1. Hokey profile image61
          Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Why is it so hard to believe in yourself. All this strength comes from within. Not from some God. By giving up your problems to this belief in God all you are doing is practicing acceptance and letting go.

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Myself is what caused me trouble before. It wasn't belief or disbelief. It was my nature, my faults, my mistakes. It was my own evilness that caused me so much trouble before.

            Job 9:20  If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

            1. Hokey profile image61
              Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So you let go of the ways that you were. You stopped identifying with your negative thoughts and made a commitment to do the next right thing no matter what you do.

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                SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                I prayed to God and accpeted His offer of salvation through His son Jesus. Jesus is the one who is changing me.

                1. Hokey profile image61
                  Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I am sorry that you can't accept that it is you that are changing you. All this goodness comes from you. All this inner strength comes from within. What we think we become.

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                    SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Here is where ego gets in the way. Ego thinks he is on the same level as God. Ego thinks he can change himself.

      2. Pandoras Box profile image83
        Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There, but for the grace of god, go I.

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    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    There is only one God. Can we agree on that?


    There is only one way to God. I know you won't agree with this but I have to say it. Jesus Christ is the only one who can bring you to God.

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No, I can't agree on that.

    2. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree there is only one God but my concept of God is different than yours. I don't see God as an entity that has human characteristics such as emotions. God to me is a force. A mystery. A universal energy that is at work that we as human beings have no ability to understand. To me all these Religions are stories created to control other people and to make man comfortable with something that he can not possibly understand. Such as       and creation.

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        My concept or your concept of God makes no difference. God is not just an energy. They are not just sotries to control people. That is atheist talk. You should find out where the quotes come froim before using them.

        Do you believe in Jesus?

        1. Hokey profile image61
          Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No. Of course not. Jesus to me is as real as the tooth fairy. There might have been a historical Jesus although he is not mentioned anywhere except the bible but I don't believe in a christ. I would never believe in such a dark religion. Salvation through Human sacrifice. This is the same thing that the christians wiped out the Aztecs for.

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Let me ask you this then. How can a man who is flesh and blood, touch God who is spirit?

            1. Hokey profile image61
              Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              According to Buddhism, all beings are imbued with a spark of inner divine light.... The Jewish mystics use similar words when they speak of the inner spark or the spark of God. The Koran, referring to man, talks about the little candle flame burning in a niche in the wall of God's temple. Almost inevitably a spiritual search becomes a search for divine or sacred light. By     ivating our inner core, we search for this light in ourselves as well as the divine.

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                SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                I can see a little more of where the Koran came from now. Thanks.

                Let's look at it this way. You are brought up on charges and facing a judge. You know very little about the law and how it actually works. You use a lawyer so you can get help that is useful and can touch the judge because of his knowledge of the law.

                Jesus is that lawyer. No one knows God like He does. No one can touch God but Him. He is the only one human enough to touch mand and spiritual enough to touch God. He is the daysman that Job had prayed for.

                1. Hokey profile image61
                  Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  These are just stories. Have you ever heard of Horus. The son of the egyptian sun God Ra? Same story as jesus way before Christianity.  Immaculate conception. Virgin Birth. Performed Miracles. Crucified. Resurrected.

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                    SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I have heard the stories of Horus, Mithra, Osiris, etc. . . I also know that most who know about them know them from a book written by Gerald Massey. They are not historically correct. If they were, there would be proof.

                  2. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hokey you know better than to bring historic facts and real information into the "believers" den!
                    Fire and brimstone time! smile

                2. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  But you first have to show that the two examples are parallel. Just because you present two scenarios and say "Look, they're similar"... it's not really an argument as such. (And by the way, hello smile )

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                    SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                    Let's look at it. Job was in trouble. He had been accused of things he did not do. His "friends" troubled him pretending to try to comfort him. Job wanted to tell God that although he is not perfect, he is not guilty of all that he was accused of.

                    Job also knew that he could not touch God. God is spirit and Job is flesh. He wished for a daysman who could touch them both, (God and Job).

                    Jesus is the only one who fit the bill.

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



            This is where so many fail to see what really happened. They think of human sacrifices and burning babies in Gehenna, etc. . .

            God put on a body of flesh. He did it for a reason. He walked like a man and talked like a man, but He had knowledge like no other man ever had. He did not come and jusy proclaim, "I AM GOD!!!" He humbled Himself so that He could feel what men feel.

            Much like a soldier who gives his life to fight for his country, Jesus went to the cross and gave His life for the sins of all mankind.

            This is a far cry from human sacrificing.

        2. cheaptrick profile image75
          cheaptrickposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          According to the"27"books you accept thats true.But what about the Other works outside of those books?
          What is the origin of the"27"books.How did they come to be Cannon.Who was the Driving force behind those"27"books and why were They selected from Hundreds of others?

    3. GoGranny profile image80
      GoGrannyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You are correct SirDent. One cannot get to heaven with God without first knowing Jesus.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There goes any hope for the starving orphans who can't rip down the corner store and by em a new bible!
        You are blinded by your own ego.
        If these children found a bible they would have to eat it! Foolish!

      2. Hokey profile image61
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You know what blind faith is? Blind. You what blind faith in a man made book and story? Insanity.

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          SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



          You call it a man made book and story. Have you ever been wrong before?

          1. Hokey profile image61
            Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Of course I have as you have been also.

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            Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The Bible IS a man-made book though. The Bible didn't just fall from the sky one day, fully written and autographed by your God. It was written by men who lived on Earth and were human, not gods.

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              SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Just so you know, the Bible was written by men as they were moved upon by God the Holy Spirit. No matter what you believe or don't believe makes no difference as to truth or untruth.

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                Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's what they CLAIM, but anyone could write a book and claim the Holy Spirit moved them to write it. There is no historical fact and there is no proof that suggests my theory is incorrect. The Bible is not a history book. In fact, if you MUST read the Bible, it is best to look at it as if it is a metaphor.

                Earlier, you said the stories of Rah were not factual so you didn't believe them. Don't you think you're being a bit hypocritical by believe in the Bible, which also has no factual evidence?

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                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The Bible does contain factual historical details, but that for me is not the problem; in many places it contravenes the principle (from the New Testament) that God has written the sense of right and wrong "on our hearts" on the one hand, but that we must ignore that and follow IT instead on the other. (Not sure if that was clear).

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                    Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Okay, that's true. However, the point I was trying to make is that anyone could write a book and claim it as truth. For instance, I could write a book and, in one of the passages say:

                    In the year of 2010, scientists found evidence that mermaids do, in fact, exist. In Atlantis, a local fisherman managed to catch one in his net. After trying to keep the mermaid captive in a zoo far beyond any reaches of the ocean, the mermaid used her magical powers to escape. Although no photographs were taken (She escaped before anyone could find a camera), we have an artist's rendition of the magical creature.

                    I used a date. Does that make the entire paragraph factual? No, of course not.

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                  SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                  There is evidence that the Bible is factual.

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                    Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Where is the proof that Jesus walked on water?

                    Where is the proof that Jesus rose from the dead?

                    Where is the proof that Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant with Jesus?

                    Where is the proof that Jesus turned water into wine? Healed a blind man?

                    Where is the proof that over 2/3 of the people in the Bible even existed?

                    When you can show me proof that did NOT come from the Bible, I may take into consideration that the Bible is slightly factual.

              2. Hokey profile image61
                Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                SirDent the word trust is totally relative and subjective. The word truth is of it self totally irrelevant. This word means and proves what a consensus of people choose it to mean.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth

      3. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There are so many who have gained enlightenment without ever having heard the name Jesus.
        Have you never heard of the Hindu or Parsee religions?

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    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    Everyone needs to slow down a bit. I am having trouble keeping up.

    1. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ok.

  8. Hokey profile image61
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    Well I have to go now. I will check this thread tomorrow. May your days be full of love, light, and laughter. Namaste

                                      big_smile

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good night, Hokey smile

    2. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Namaste.

  9. C.V.Rajan profile image67
    C.V.Rajanposted 6 years ago

    Sirdent says: "There is only one way to God. I know you won't agree with this but I have to say it. Jesus Christ is the only one who can bring you to God."

    "As many faiths, so many paths" -- Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.

    SirDent, You have known one path; you believe in it; very well; Progress through it and attain perfection. When you attain perfection, you will understand, "as many faiths, so many paths". Till then, your limited ego will constrain yourself to believe that Jesus is the only way. It will work for you, but it need not, for every one else.

    A Buddhist says Buddha is the only one to guide you.

    A Muslim says Allah is the only one; (and extremists say, "kill all others who don't agree!")

    Hindus - well; they have numerous God forms and there are numerous Hindus who confirm that their personal God form is the only one, ultimate!

    And Christian preachers go from country to country to proclaim Jesus is the only God and convert all and sundry doubtists to Christianity!

    That's how the phrase "missionary zeal" came into picture!

    CVR

    1. aguasilver profile image86
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "A Buddhist says Buddha is the only one to guide you.

      A Muslim says Allah is the only one; (and extremists say, "kill all others who don't agree!")

      Hindus - well; they have numerous God forms and there are numerous Hindus who confirm that their personal God form is the only one, ultimate!"

      Big difference, Christ (not SirDent) said:

      John 14:6

      Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

      If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.

      With this statement Christ declared that He was the ONLY way to God, and positioned Himself so that all mankind must choose one of three possible decisions about Christ;

      1. He is who He states He is... The Son of God, come to earth to save mankind.

      2. He was a liar

      3. He was deluded and or mentally insane

      Each individuals choice....


      He also said...

      John 5:41-44

      "I do not accept praise from men, but I know you.

      I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.

      I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

      How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God?

      or how about these words...Christ spoke;

      John 6:39-41

      And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

      For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

      At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven."

      and of course...

      John 10:29-31

      "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

      I and the Father are one." (Now THAT is one BIG statement)

      1. C.V.Rajan profile image67
        C.V.Rajanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Since you are exposed to Bible, you have grasped all these. Do you know that similar statements are existing, as propounded by Krishna, in Bhagavat Gita, Upanishads etc in Hindu Holy scripture?

        The fact is, they are all true. What Jesus says is to be understood not by taking Jesus as the only person to claim so, but ANY person who has attained the state same as Jesus christ will say the same thing. In west, you  have Jesus Christ who has attained that state.

        In India, countless saints have attained that state. Hinduism's Vedanta philosophy says every one of us can attain that state, provided we strive for it. Nay, we are THAT already; only thing, we are deluded by Maya and Egotism that act as veils to hide that state to ourselves.

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well written.

      2. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Krishna says the same thing in the Bhagwat Gita.

        One needs to understand there are to I's.

        I for human and I for God.

    2. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is not entirely true. Please read the following.

      Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
      even though they have been held in honor
      for many generations and in diverse places.
      Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
      Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
      Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
      persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
      Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
      After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
      and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.


      Buddha

      With this teaching Buddha himself tells us to not even take his words but to realize our own truth.

      1. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Which is correct the prophets are masters and guides but one  needs needs to walk the path in order to gain his own salvation.

        Saying so and so is the greatest and only way is only fooling oneself and shows a total lack of comprehension concerning the prophets an god.

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    Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago

    Anyway, I'm going to bed. Good night, everybody! smile

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    C.V.Rajan  wrote:

    A Buddhist says Buddha is the only one to guide you.

    A Muslim says Allah is the only one; (and extremists say, "kill all others who don't agree!")

    Hindus - well; they have numerous God forms and there are numerous Hindus who confirm that their personal God form is the only one, ultimate!

    And Christian preachers go from country to country to proclaim Jesus is the only God and convert all and sundry doubtists to Christianity!

    aguasilver  wrote:

    John 14:6

    Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.

    I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

    I and the Father are one." (Now THAT is one BIG statement)

    C.V.Rajan  wrote:

    Since you are exposed to Bible, you have grasped all these. Do you know that similar statements are existing, as propounded by Krishna, in Bhagavat Gita, Upanishads etc in Hindu Holy scripture?

    The fact is, they are all true. What Jesus says is to be understood not by taking Jesus as the only person to claim so, but ANY person who has attained the state same as Jesus christ will say the same thing. In west, you  have Jesus Christ who has attained that state.

    In India, countless saints have attained that state. Hinduism's Vedanta philosophy says every one of us can attain that state, provided we strive for it. Nay, we are THAT already; only thing, we are deluded by Maya and Egotism that act as veils to hide that state to ourselves.

    Paarsurrey wrote:

    It was only a usage of the Messengers Prophets Saints anywhere in the world. Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Socrates, Moses, Jesus; all of them in the regions or nations they were sent by the Creator- God Allah YHWH said the same kind of things.
    They neither meant it literally nor for the whole world; their statements were relative to the nation they were sent to; while conveying the same meaning.

    All the above persons were truthful and must be respected.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

 
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