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Faith should be with reason; not a blind faith

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    What is wrong with believing something by Faith?

    The wrong is that it is blind; while faith should be based on reason and wisdom; not a blind faith.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes......and tell us your reasoning for having faith to be a Muslim?

      Does it have anything to do with a unreasonable afterlife with multiple virgins as reward for believing?

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        "Jeopardy theme music plays"

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I want to know paarsurrey's answer to this too.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend Brenda Durham

          Islam is a very naturally evolved religion; and Quran is the revealed Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Quran is the only existing Word in the original text and in the original language it was revealed on the heart of Muhammad. It is for this reason that I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim. 

          Thanks

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend marinealways24

        Islam is a very naturally evolved religion; and Quran is the revealed Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Quran is the only existing Word in the original text and in the original language it was revealed on the heart of Muhammad. It is for this reason that I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

        Thanks for asking this good question.

    2. pisean282311 profile image59
      pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you are absolutely right my friend...reason should be above everything..test everything before accepting it ,,,

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        Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        spot on!
        hello philo, good bye Ism.

        "get some grace before you say grace"

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend pisean282311

        Thanks for appreciating.

        Regards

    3. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It means you might just be wrong, especially if it is faith without evidence.



      Reason and wisdom are not affiliated with faith, they are not related.

      1. luvpassion profile image60
        luvpassionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Tell Jobe about blind faith.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friends

          Who is this Jobe? English is not my mother tongue; please tell me frankly.

          Thanks

      2. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you have a reason, then there's no Faith.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Faith is only blind to those who do not have it.

      4. goldenpath profile image80
        goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Faith is the principle of power and action.  It governs all that we do.  We exercise faith, that hope of the unseen, when we shower, shop, care for a child, go to work, visit the sick and even learn in the schools.  As pertaining to God, faith is obtained and strengthened through applying the gospel standard into one's life.  Witnessing the fruits of those actions builds faith even beyond "reasoning." 

        I agree, faith should never be blind.  Faith, however, is never at a plateau.  It is in a constant state of increase or decrease depending on our actions and thoughts.  All religious doctrine and counsel received should be questioned with boldness.  In other words, put to the test through application and prayer.  That is where testimony is built.  That is where faith is fostered.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend goldenpath

          What do you mean by the gospel standard?

          Even the Atheists do activities; what is their princple of power and action; if we take your words? Please

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    4. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 7 years ago

      I'm telling ya, Neil Armstrong heard azaan on moon and many things mentioned in quran are now discovered by scientists and hence it is not blind faith. Am33n.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend skyfire

        That is just a hearsay; it is not mentioned in Quran, the first and foremost source of guidance of Muslims whatever the faith.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    5. kess profile image59
      kessposted 7 years ago

      One's Faith should indeed be based on reason.

      Now what is the judge of what is reasonable?

      Truth of course.

      And what then is Truth?

      Ah... then it is only you the individual should know truth when it appears.

      What if our truth differs?

      Then one is not net seeing clearly and should not feel obligated to conform to the other "truth", until He too sees it.

      Well how can they then agree?

      Desire to know  truth is key.

      If their desire is truly to know the Truth, then they will come to a compromise and can abide until the truth is seen clearly by both.

      Otherwise they will never ever agree for they will live by their measure of faith.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Do you think it is truthful to assume you go to a religious heaven?

        1. pisean282311 profile image59
          pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          no its not..but at same time rejecting everything which comes from religion is other form of blind faith....there are many things stated in religion bcoz of reason at same time many which are pure out of blind faith...one may differentiate and take right things...

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I agree, there is a lot of history and learning that can be done from religion, just from an outside unbiased perspective.

        2. kess profile image59
          kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Where there is Truth there is Life and that is heaven and the only religion.

    6. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago

      Reason and wisdom are not affiliated with faith, they are not related

      =========================================
        My car has started every morning for the past three years and gotten me to where I was going. 
        Reason and Faith tells me that it is going to do it again tomorrow morning and many days to come.
        Faith and reason are sitting in the same chair.

    7. prettydarkhorse profile image63
      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

      blind faith, have you felt love before, you cant see it but you can feel it, is that blind faith!

      The most important things in life are those that felt not seen!

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, but you can usually see who are what it is that you love. A lot of people do not put love in things they don't have an image of.

        1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
          prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          a lot but most love to love isnt it and it is felt, hi marine good morning, ya know I love always to see and read your comments even though I cant see ya, I believe in you!

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Good Morning to you. Ah, thanks, I believe in you too, your comments are an extension of your consciousness. I have faith that you and everyone here typing is conscious. big_smile

            1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
              prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Nah, it is my alter ego!

              Let me tell you that whatever happens I still have faith first in anything before I believe in it!

              1. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Just an observation, that would be putting the cart before the horse. smile

                1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
                  prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No, do you always based your life, your belief system in scientific ways, I bet you have faith first before you can even believe "scientific" phenomenon

                  1. Beelzedad profile image59
                    Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    That's not really the point I was making. If I showed you something you never saw before, you wouldn't believe it existed until you had faith in it, first. smile

                    1. luvpassion profile image60
                      luvpassionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                      I've never seen the wind, yet I feel it...I see its affects.

                    2. prettydarkhorse profile image63
                      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                      oh am talking of the things you havent seen yet, but if you show me that thing of course I believe in it,

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                    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi friends

                    Yours is a positive thinking; it does not hinder scientific thought. One does not need to have a negative thinking or to be skeptic "in the name of science";it is a blind faith.

                    Thanks

                    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    8. sooner than later profile image60
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

      John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

      It is most important to find truth before you can find faith. Somewhere in the book of Ephesians it explains that faith is a gift from God that we might understand Him. But if we cannot find truth- we could never have faith.
      When I finally found truth and pure teachings my faith was no longer "I have faith that God exists" but it transferred to "I have faith in Gods promise" because i now know that He exists and to think otherwise is impossible

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend sooner than later

        God Allah YHWH is not a spirit; because God is the Creator of Spirits also. God exists but has no body or spirit; all bodies and spirits are His creation. He is known by His attributs.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. sooner than later profile image60
          sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Ahmadi,

          I cannot say that I know what the physical nature of God/Yahweh must be. I do know that Jesus's teachings are true and I can't wait to understand more.

          I am Sooner the peaceful Christian. smile

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend sooner than later

            There is no physical nature of the Creator- God Allah YHWH; nature and its physical forms have been created by Him.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      prettydarkhorse wrote:

      the thing is there are just some things which you cant see but they are there

      Paarsurreye says:

      Physical things could be seen and observed with physical senses. For eithical, moral and spiritual things the tools are different.

      We never calim that the Creator- God Allah YHWH has a body or a spirit; this is what we human beings have. The Creator- God Allah YHWH has only attributes, so he could only be recognized from his attributes. Our eyes cannot see God; he himelf says; but he himself reveals his person to the truthful persons called Messengers Prophets by having a conversation with them, by accepting their prayers, by helping them against all odds.

      So many ways of his manifestation.

      All these experiences were observed by Muhammad; of the previous Messengers are mentioned in Quran.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    10. Lady_E profile image82
      Lady_Eposted 7 years ago

      Faith is the evidence of things not seen.


      Salaam...

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend Lady_E

        I agree with you.

        The Creator- God Allah YHWH has endowed us with reason; why should we not use it in His service?

        Thanks and wa-ulaikum-us-salam

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      2. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Faith is believing what you know ain't so. wink

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend

          That might be your belief; not mine .Blind faith is a shallow faith; faith with reason and wisdom is the real faith.

          Thanks

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend

        And it starts with reason; Word of revelation increases the power of reason manifolds to reach certainty.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    11. Inspiration101 profile image59
      Inspiration101posted 7 years ago

      I think I know where you're coming from. Although in the end... faith IS blind, people should be responsible for their thoughts and beliefs, and not just follow like sheep.

      For example, after asking someone I know a few questions regarding the Bible... instead of say, "Hey, I don't know about that, I'll look into it," I got "Listen, I don't question the Bible anymore, I just believe!" yikes

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      Beelzedad wrote:

      Reason and wisdom are not affiliated with faith, they are not related.

      Paarsurrey says:

      In Islam, these are interconnected.

      "A Revealed Book must have the essential feature of illustrating of its own the truth of its principles very clearly. It is not a proper characteristic of a Divine Book that one learns a few things from it vaguely or unreasonably just like the cramming of a parrot; and then one thinks that one has attained the salvation and that is the end of it.

      It is indeed a commendable merit for a Revealed Book to show reasonable arguments and elaborate them to a level that one secures profound level of absolute certainty because of its rich arguments; so that no-one could disrupt such a person with any distorted evil suggestion. The believer benefitted from this certainty; all of his conduct, communications and his beliefs get improved under its influence. He pursues Truth consciously realizing the truth face to face and leaves wrong after realizing the wrong with certainty of conviction to the affect that he attains real purity and its characteristics are reflected in him visibly.

      As long as one dwells in the hell of ignorance one cannot come out of the blind faith due to lack of knowledge, sluggish attitude or due to the pull of the material world; and hence one cannot attain full certainty. Having no insight in reason he is in unsteady condition and as such in fact in a dangerous state."

      Braheen-e Ahmadiyya Foot-Note # 5.

      Paarsurrey had translated it for our friends here; in case of any ambiguity original in Urdu should be referred.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They are not interconnected, you have rejected the truth and are too skeptical. Why don't you believe the truth?

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      Inspiration101 wrote:

      people should be responsible for their thoughts and beliefs, and not just follow like sheep.

      Paarsurrey says:

      I agree with you that people should not follow like sheep.

      Thanks

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      Question : What is wrong with believing something by Faith?

      Answer : The wrong is that it is blind; while faith should be based on reason and wisdom; not a blind faith.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol
        Thanks !Very 'enlightening ' !

        1. Obscure Divine profile image60
          Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You did seemed to be enlightened, with all the smileys, in some sorts, so maybe he brought the light upon thee - in one way or another.  Ha-ha!

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol
            Passing the light to you. You seem pretty obscure ! lol

            1. Obscure Divine profile image60
              Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Obviously, I am, very much so.  Remember?  big_smile

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Do I have to remember something ? yikes

                I don't even know you ! roll

                1. Obscure Divine profile image60
                  Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Here I was, thinking otherwise?  Geez, how obscure can I get?
                  You are such a tantrum in your own persona of the so-called field of psychiatric studies...

    15. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago

      The religion forums seem to have become a competition to see who can post the most ignorant stupid misspelled grammatically wrong poorly constructed thread!
      Time to pick a winner! Any nominations? lol

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        crmhaskeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        mjane... paarsurrey at least usually doesn't yell at us in ALL CAPS tongue

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          smile Small mercy! lol You should have been around to see his original sock-puppet!

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            crmhaskeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol I can only imagine

            If we are going for least grammatically correct there's that girl e something f something... I don't actually remember the name tongue

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yep! Maybe not the outright winner though! smile

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                crmhaskeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I haven't been around long enough to have a plethora of people to choose from tongue

      2. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Earnest:  You used to be the number one poster in the religious forums before parlay paarsurrey came about.  Ya?  hmm

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Many others have shared the number one position as posters.
          I don't recall making a pile of nonsense threads though! lol
          usmanali or parra posted dozens of paranoid threads displaying hate loathing and fear of almost every belief known to man.
          I think those terrifying free masons who were always chasing him must have caught up with him and and washed his mouth out with Lisol! lol

          He was hilarious then as he is now! lol

          1. Obscure Divine profile image60
            Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I agree, the he/she Muslim has us all beat in the "poppycock" category...  big_smile

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Obscure, I will try to locate some of his old usmanali threads and posts. Very entertaining! smile

              1. Obscure Divine profile image60
                Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Please do, as I now recall the name "usmanali" via Mark K.'s prior posts, but I've never read any of them.  Yeah, feel free to exploit the territory amid HubPages - hell, it probably does make for some excellent entertainment.  big_smile

    16. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago

      Does anyone know how to find old posts from Paara/usmanali/.... I can't remember his other sock puppets name, but it will come to me. smile
      His empty profile is still here somewhere! smile

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/18224 is one forum topic with some of his posts, if it is the same one. There are at least 4 Usmanalis on HubPages at the moment.

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you SirDent! I will fertilise your farm again for that! smile

    17. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago

      I found this list of all the people paara (as usmanali hates, fears and railed against.

      Rubbishists, evolutionists, atheists, capitalists, materialists, socialists, humanists, zionists, freemasons, nudists, bikini clad people, homosexuals, transsexuals, bisexuals, Australians, Americans, and Europeans, Albert Einstein, Oscar Wild, Charles Darwin, Mark Twain, Madonna (female freemason} All music stars, film stars, and I feel sure I have missed many. That is all I can remember from the last month or so.

      How about that list parra? lol lol lol

      Sort of blows you away as peaceful and tolerant eh?

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Anything to say Parra? lol

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Do you think that if you just ignore what your previous sock puppet said it will go away Parra?

    18. dfager profile image60
      dfagerposted 7 years ago

      We can put human knowledge and human truth in a box and it would be very small in comparison to what we don't know about the universe.  Therefore, I don't think it nothing to reach beyond what I know in faith and hope.

      When we talk about ideas and concepts, they have no form and cannot be seen, heard, tasted, felt or smelled.  We have no basis to believe that reality conforms to our reasoning and reveals all it's mysteries to our minds.

      Belief is not reason.  Even C.S. Lewis said that "seeing is not believing".  I am willing to believe in God because I recognize how small and insignificant my truth is.  Once I made this small leap of thinking, I discovered a whole new reality!  I became a child of an infinite God.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      you are a funny person. Have a little widom; no harm

     
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