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According to the Bible

  1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    Where is hell located?  Do you know?

    From what I can read, it says it is located in heaven.

    How can this be? 

    I mean, I understand that the bible is privy to the many different authors imaginations. However, it appears that all these different authors agree, it is somewhere in heaven.

    Revelations Chapter 12 is one such Chapter that suggests Hell is located in heaven.

    1. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      According to the bible, moses created this god thing...no doubt about it..:-)

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        roll

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm with you Cagsil.  It's really quite comical.  lol:lol:lol:

          Qwark, what say you of Josuha?  How about Abraham, the father of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.  Think they might of had a hand in it all by chance? 

          Think?

        2. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          TY for quoting me Cags...you are appreciated...:-)

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        correct Miss Julia.
        heaven is in the heart.

        imagine living in a stasis where you can see all the wonders of the universal greatness, the light, but never being able to reach out to it. This was hell. I say was because BOTH death and Hell have been swallowed up by Y`shua's resurrection, else all would be lost in this stasis. The keys of both physical death and spiritual torment were taken away from anti-light (darkness) and put into the hands of Him and his brothers/sisters -humans. Each can now choose -apart from laws or practices- which THEY prefer. If they choose spiritual death, there is no return -their light will be swallowed up by darkness {kind of like a black hole}. If they choose life, then in body, mind & spirit, have unlimited access to light.

        Sadly, only three ministers -that i know of- have spoken of it. The first was killed on a cross, the second banished from the people to a slave mine off the coast of Turkey and myself. I don't know of any other off hand -though Joseph Prince is very close to it, a minister (as all ministers ought to be- ministers of Grace & Truth). Too bad most are ministers of mammon and gog/magog...

        sorry to be so long winded, my brain is wandering.
        And thank you BTW for allowing me to do so.

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, no, not at all.  I love to listen and to read peoples ideas of what is real for them.  I tend to think that Heaven is bigger, yet more simplistic than the universe.

          "Choose life, then in body, mind & spirit, and have unlimited access to light."-Your quote sounds heavenly to me.  I personally feel this way too. 

          For me, hell is how we see it.  Where is it at?  Somewhere out there.  However, a hell can exist within our hearts and spirit.  A hell full of sorrow, weeping, woes, and remorse.  I cannot imagine a more powerful place than that.  I think where ever I go, that will be my hell. 

          Moreover, the heat doesn't bother me.winklol

      3. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Here are some passages referring to Hell as somewhere inside the Earth:

        Matthew 12:40: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

        Acts 2:29-31: "...let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried...Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption."


        Romans 10:6-7: " Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven?  Or, Who shall descend into the deep?


        Ephesians 4:7-9: "But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

      4. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        My Ex-mother in law's dinner table during the holidays

      5. ginjill ashberry profile image77
        ginjill ashberryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Intimat ,
        please accept my apologies first. I am lost about the truth myself but I think it isn't the author's imagination. Guess it's the knowledge that they've acquired.  Lol.. i am certain it isn't anywhere near Heaven. I believe that Heaven is heven. But Hell is eternal death. I mean Death wherre it doesn't have to be fire. Death as in where you and I don't want to go (may I say)? Oh, boy.. Well, that's that. Adios. Cheers. GJ AB.

        1. ginjill ashberry profile image77
          ginjill ashberryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Damn! Can't you see the error in spelling? That's the thing I hate about typing. I'm less than amateur.  Apologies..

      6. brethodge profile image59
        brethodgeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No idea where the hell is.. but if it is according to bible in Heaven then for people who believe in the saying of Bible.. It is very much there.. I do trust ..

      7. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
        SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        i kno where hell is - read my hubs - it'll give you some insight.




        SomewayOuttaHere
        I'm a  Peaceful Canadian Bud Grower

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I read some of your hubs. You are right! You have been there.
          The stories were beautifully told. smile
          I won't divulge the contents here, people should do themselves a service and read them.

    2. goldenpath profile image81
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago

      True, heaven takes on many facets of interpretation.  Consider heaven and hell as a realm instead of an actual location.  This may help for starters.  After death the righteous and wicked are both in the "realm" of spirits, yet are separated naturally according to righteous desires.  In fact, paradise is not a natural term for the Bible and has been skewed.  The term it replaced was represent of "world of spirits."

      To some, heaven is where the righteous go after death.  However, after the millenium and the great final battle the Earth is to be cleansed and celestialized.  This in preparation for the permanent abode of the righteous.  That, too, can be considered heaven.

      Also, during the millenium.  Satan is to be bound and many of the strifes we deal with now will not exist at that time.  That can also be considered heaven.

      Heaven can take on lots of interpretations and locations.

      1. Hokey profile image59
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Not trying to be funny. yikes Really trying to be serious here. But! yikes This sounds alot like Dungeons and Dragons!!!   lol lol lol

        1. drej2522 profile image86
          drej2522posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Take that back! I love Dungeons and Dragons!!

          Did I say that out loud? I mean, huh? big_smile

      2. ginjill ashberry profile image77
        ginjill ashberryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Goldenpath,
        I need to know more about your opinions. I have all kinds of Christians as relatives. I know what I truly believe but the heaven and hell part, I'm totally lost. My ex - JW aunt and uncle got me a youth bible that says Hell is on earth. When you die you're a goner, but Heaven is a Surprise. Good surprises. Tell me more. Please..

    3. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      Hey IntimatEvolution, I'm going to give you my take on it.

      Heaven is on Earth - Hell is inside Heaven.

      Heaven is outside part.

      Hell would be inside part.

      So, in theory, you would be correct as would your interpretation.

      Just a thought. smile

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes.  Good.  Interesting thoughts Cagsil.

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      StormRyderposted 6 years ago

      Where is Hell??
      I have heard it may be somewhere in Oklahoma...maybe Texas?

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        More like in New Orleans or wherever the Mardi Gras is held.
        The devils are freed for that day.
        wink

    5. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

      I, personally do consider that heaven is a built in different heavenly realms or levels. 

      I believe in the description of heaven, as told by Enoch.  However, many people believe that hell somehow lies below us.  I'm curious as to why they might think that.  It is not told to us in the bible that way.  So where did this notion that hell is below heaven  come from?  Has the Greeks mythological Hades, played a huge role in this conceptual thinking perhaps?

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It might have something to do with God casting down into the pit of fire? hmm

      2. iantoPF profile image86
        iantoPFposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        When the first christian missionaries came to North West Europe they met the Celts who had certain views on life and afterlife. Those notions, they would be better described as "Folkways" than as a religion, were twisted by the christians to appear demonic. For example , the Celts believed an apple was sacred so they said it was the forbidden fruit even though genesis makes no mention of an apple.
        The Celts saw gateways to the spirit world in Caves and wells and similar openings into the Earth. This was exploited to convince them that they were believing in a gateway to Hell. In Celtic myth, Arawn God of the otherworld would bring his hunting dogs onto Earth to seek out the souls of the wicked. So we have "The Hounds of Hell" All  christian propaganda to convert the pagan Celts. It just stuck until today.
        Damn! I might just write a Hub on this smile

        1. CrystalStarWoman profile image85
          CrystalStarWomanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'd like to read that hub! It sounds very interesting smile

      3. Dave Mathews profile image61
        Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hell is a holding place for all of the souls of mankind that have not embraced Jesus as saviour and wish to do so. Jesus will visit Hell when he returns and offer those souls the opportunity to choose to follow Him, those who refuse will be thrown into the "Lake of Fire" with satan and his followers, including "the anti-christ and false prophet" who are already damned.

        Brother Dave.

        1. RKHenry profile image81
          RKHenryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Where is this written in the "good" book?

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend Dave Mathews

          I don't agree with you

          I think you are very wrong; heaven and hell existed before coming of Jesus in even for the first time; it is even before Adam and Eve.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    6. DevLin profile image60
      DevLinposted 6 years ago

      I quit reading the Bible, but all I remember from it, the Dark Angel was cast down from Heaven. Not thrown in a pit, hole or anything else. Cast down. That's here. Earth. Where so many get the reincarnation theory. An eternity in hell, if you don't live your life right. You keep getting sent, here. Hell. Read any paper and tell me I'm wrong.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        DevLin, you do have a very valid point.  There just might be some truth behind that theory.  It does seem pretty logical.

      2. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Welcome to HubPages. As for reading the paper? It is irrelevant to the topic at hand. To think that HELL is on Earth is foolish.

        Grant it, it doesn't take a genius to see that "all hell is breaking loose", within mainstream society and much of humanity, but I will not go as far as to say that the Metaphor "Hell" is on Earth.

        From what I've learned of Jesus' works, Heaven is on Earth. The Kingdom of GOD or the Kingdom of Heaven, is on Earth and not in some mystical place. I also know that Jesus wasn't teaching or preaching "religion". But, that's another story in and of itself.

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Why is the notion of hell being on earth foolish?  The stark comment does deserves an explanation Cagsil.  Why do you think this way?

          As for myself, I don't feel that heaven is located somewhere here on earth.  I'm not sure where I think it is.  I think it is somewhere between here and there.  And where that is..., I sadly don't know.  However, could it be somewhere in the vast universe? Or possibly it might be outside the universe.

          1. DevLin profile image60
            DevLinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Earth is supposedly heaven for the faithful after the reckoning. Those taken in the rapture, come back to live in bliss for something like 10,000 years. So said the priest.

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              1000 Year Reign of Jesus. This is supposed. wink

          2. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well, to be honest it is foolish. You look at your surroundings and take in all that nature offers and shows you, and you think it isn't foolish to call Earth's outer-layer hell?

            Take away all the people and you have a paradise of land? Get it!

            Again, as I said above, METAPHOR - When Jesus said Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven, he was specifically talk about living on Earth.

            1. DevLin profile image60
              DevLinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I supplied a theory for the question, and you just rant, everyone's wrong. To think like you. Please, take away all the people. They definitely make this hell.

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You offered a subjective bias opinion. I offered what I knew from researching religion for 15 years. If you don't like my answers, then too bad.

                As far as I am concern, when I speak, I speak the truth as I've learned it to be. Unlike you, I have no questions left unanswered about my life.

                So should you think that I am offering nothing of value, then you would be gravely mistaken. I may not think like you, and from your response to my post, I am sure I don't want to think like you, because that would be simply too painful.

                Either way, have a great day. wink

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      sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

      No!No!No! Hell is California and Heaven is Colorado!

      1. DevLin profile image60
        DevLinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I live in Phoenix, Arizona. 122 is hell, however you look at it.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ok, you're Purgatory!big_smile

          1. DevLin profile image60
            DevLinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, I can go for that.

    8. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

      So you are saying that this is the best it gets.  With Qwark's always dying children and all?  Therefore, this is as pretty as it gets.

      Your line of thinking, as I understand it, goes both ways for me.  I'm sure the earth wasn't too pretty, when it was filled with millions of rotting dinosaur carcasses. 

      I cannot imagine anything being too beautiful with that type of disgusting smell, lurking around.wink

      I think there is an outside realm of solitude.  Uniquely beautiful according to what our own image of beauty and vastness is.
      Nite Cags. 

      Be well all.  I'm sleepy.

      Cheers, Julie

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Good night. Sleep well and be safe. smile

    9. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      I think that heaven and Hell are here on earth.
      diffrent dimentions both sharing space but in a diffrent time frequency type of thing.
         Was it Elisha or Elijah that ask the Lord to allow his servant to see the armies of God that were encamped about them?
         And the story about the rich man in hell seeing and talking to God. But there was a great Gulf separating the two?


        I think that is a diffrent dimention thing.

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ELisha asked God to open the eyes op his servant so he could see the angel army about them.

        Elijah was taken to heaven on a chariot of fire.

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you I wasn't sure which was which. I often get them confused.

      2. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I would say it is just imagination. wink

    10. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 6 years ago

      lol lol

    11. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago

      Ok, I've sat back and read 'em all.
      When Moses, alledgedly, created this biblical god thing in the first 4 words of the first book of biblical fairytales, "genesis;" "In the beginning, god...," he just created another of man made religious fads.
      If monotheistic fanaticism doesn't take a "load" off the back of this planet by greatly reducing the numbers of human beings, there may be a chance of man wising up and becoming a species with a chance of existing for a while longer.
      I wouldn't bank on it tho.
      We have dug us a ditch. We are at the bottom throwing dirt up over the side.
      I've written a "hub" about how the effects of "diastrophism" change environments. It may be that all that dirt piled up overhead, may come tumbling back into the ditch to cover all those hard working but not too bright human creatures who spent so much time working hard but not giving much thought to "possiblities."..lol

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        actually, Moses didn't. your hisss-tory is incorrect symmetry seeker. Might want to find out the FIRST scripted book of Torah before you start babbling about your universal totality of lilliput-foot-in-mouth, eh?! It wasn't moses, so everything you just implied is false.

        indeed.

        be the stars, you are the stars

    12. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

      Heaven is the heavens, as in the universe.  If our civilization can last long enough, can finally get over all of the obstacles to world peace, we may one day be able to spread humanity to new worlds.  In essence, if we are good we will go to the heavens.

    13. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

      I glad someone else knows there bible.

      However, if you will allow me a few arguments to your post.

      Matthew 12:40: "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." ----I don't see the word hell mentioned here.  There are no signs of Lucifer in this passage, and furthermore, I simply do not believe hell is being referenced here at all.

      Lastly, the rest of your scriptures posted are from letters written by Paul.  Paul was a Roman.  Naturally, a former Pagan would think that hades and hell were probably similar.  Paul's writings are nothing more than his personal rantings, arguments, opinions and assumptions.  I could write that heaven is located on Hawaii, to my friends.  Doesn't mean it is so.wink

      Moreover though, your post brings up another point.  Revelations is the written confession, from a confused man with vivid dreams.  The book of Revelations was not dictated by Christ, nor God.  So too then, how much weight and merit does Revelations carry?  You know what I mean?  What makes it right?

      1. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        In Acts 2:31, Peter states of Jesus, "that his soul was not left in hell"

        Lucifer doesn't have to be mentioned in regards to the location of Hell, that would be a strawman.



        That also is a strawman as the validity and credibility of the writers of the bible are not in contest here.



        Good questions for another thread, perhaps...  smile

    14. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

      In Acts 2:31, Peter states of Jesus, "that his soul was not left in hell"

      Be no telling of where that hell was located.  His reference can be anywhere.  Its not a given for me. 

      Revelations 12:7-
      "Then war broke out in heaven.  Michael and his angels battled against the dragon.  The dragon and its angels fought back, but they did not prevail.  And there was no longer a place for them in heaven.  The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, was thrown down to earth and its angels were thrown down with it."

      To me, that is a reiterative from what Enoch tells us; that hell is located on a different realm in heaven.

      Just some food for thought.

      1. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It may not be for you, but it is for the religion. smile



        Didn't you just say, "Revelations is the written confession, from a confused man with vivid dreams." 

        And, you'll also notice in your quote, "the Devil and Satan, was thrown down to earth"

        Seem fairly obvious. wink

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      "According to the Bible"


      Hi friends

      If one reads Bible one would know that it is not Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH Revealed on Jesus. It is neither written by Jesus himself nor dictated by him; or written on behalf of Jesus or on any lawful authority from him.

      I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I read the Quran and know it is the word of people who believed Muhammad. smile

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend  Beelzedad

          People knew that Muhammad could not read and write; so it is not authored by Muhammad or anyother human being. It was Word authored by the Creator-God Allah YHWH for sure.

          You may have your own opinion, I don't mind; no compulsion for you.

          I love Jesus and Muhammad as mentioned in Quran.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. Beelzedad profile image61
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That is the claim about Muhammad, but there is no evidence to suggest he couldn't read or write.



            The Quran was authored by people who followed Muhammad and was written after he died. Muhammad could easily have made the whole thing up himself, which is the most credible answer given the story of how he founded Islam.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Paarsurrey wrote:

              People knew that Muhammad could not read and write




              Hi friend Beelzedad

              Mecca or Medina were small towns in Muhammad's time; where almost everyone knew one another; they never said that Muhammad knew how to read and write.

              I love Jesus and Mary; also Moses and Muhammad as mentioned in Quran.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

              1. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Did all those people emphatically state that Muhammad did NOT know how to read and write? Where are those peoples testimonies?



                I think we can now raise the status of this statement to spam. smile

            2. brotheryochanan profile image61
              brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              muhammad is buried, his bones are in the ground. Jesus is risen, his body has not been found.  Imagine a god or one sent from god that cannot read or write.. i pray that the scales from all islam eyes fall off.
                    I knew a god once that could not talk, oh wait, that was an IDOL. Well, i knew a god that could not think, Oh wait that was useless god. I knew a god that could not.. wait I actually dont think gods that cannot do everything are not really gods at all but pretenders.
                   I actually know a god that can do everything, including be raised from the dead and draw all people to him.. That's my idea of a god, oh and jesus can write and read.. how else would he have proof read the bible, which he wrote, my god can really turn a sentence. Too bad yours can't. (head slap! wake up!!!!) jesus bless you, nobody else will, lol.

              1. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry, but if we gave the title of "Messiah" to every body that went missing, we'd have how many more religions to deal with?



                Yes, I can imagine that, as you have.



                Which means they are all pretenders. I agree.



                What would give you the idea I need to be blessed or that your god can beat up another god?

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi friend brotheryochanan

                Yes, Muhammad is buried in Medina; we don’t believe him to be our Creator- God Allah YHWH; Muhammad was the most high ranking Messenger and Prophet of God Allah YHWH.

                Jesus was never raised from the dead; he never died on the Cross to start with.

                Jesus migrated to India. If you want to see his bones; the same are lying in a tomb, If you like you may go and see them. I give you the address: Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir, India.

                I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

                Thanks

                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                1. Beelzedad profile image61
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  How much are tickets?

    16. thisisoli profile image62
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago

      I believe that both heaven and hell are located in the same realm, around four to five inches above the base of the neck.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend thisisoli

        I again agree to your above words.

        I love Jesus and Mary ; Moses and his mother as mentioned in Quran.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    17. brotheryochanan profile image61
      brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

      I wasn't going to post anything, but with all these misses and wrong assumptions, well, here i am.

           UNSAVED; Hell is: here on earth and you create it yourself
      (your governments and rules, your desires and beliefs, the temporary gratification and lies you enjoy to believe, the diseases you spread, and false hopes, the work you do all your life to be left behind for someone else to either throw out, sell or put on a shelf). Everything the unsaved do are death and vanity - is this not hell? compared to what type of lifestyle God has for planned for you. Hell is being resurrected to realize that buddha, atheism, creationism, paganism, catholicism, joseph smith, the hot babe down at the strip club and even allah was not able to save you. Hell is realizing that you should have believed on the name of jesus, the only begotten Son of god; whom God gave to redeem the world from their sinful state - and you didn't believe.
           SAVED; Hell is: anywhere apart from Gods Love here and after resurrection: falling short of Gods plan in their lives: making god weep because they disobeyed a prime directive and hell is, leaving one unsaved soul behind to go to hell which has got to suck big time.

      Heaven is realising that the saveds' list of hell is way shorter than the unsaveds' list smile

      Good Luck with this information. This is not to condemn you but written in the hopes that you realize the world is created, not evolved, but created and that everything created has a creator.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      According to the Bible

      Hi friends

      Not everything written in the Bible or "According to the Bible" is Word from the Creator-God Allah YHWH; it is not even written by Jesus or dictated by Jesus to someone. Jesus did not even authorize somebody to write it on his behalf.

      So, it is not of much use if you try to find claims on issues or the reason thereof in this Bible; it is not going to answer your queries corrrectly.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This comment that you have made on the above post is the most truthful thing that I have ever heard you say so far.

           The same thing goes for the book that islam follows.

          Neither my God nor yours have ever told anyone to follow a BOOK

          I quit writting letters to loved ones four decades ago because words written on paper holds no truth.
          They can mean anything that the reader wants to think that they mean.

            If you do not hear him telling you "like it is".
            Either you do not belong to him; or you are not listening.
             You can belong to him and not listen and that does not matter,  you are his. 

           You can find applications at the door.

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend Jerami

          I don't agree with you.
          Quran is the Word revealed on the heart of Muhammad from the Creator-God Allah YHWH; there lies the difference; Bible is not the Word revealed on Jesus.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Who is Mohammad that we should listen to him?
            He is not Moses, to whom was given the Commands and still did not claim to be a prophet of the Most High, though he was worthy, a shadow of THE Prophet and King, Y`shua Moshiach.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend Twenty One Days

              Muhammad is the Seal of Prophets; he is the standard with which we reckon truthfulness of the Prophets.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                What prophets does Muhammad seal?
                And by what authority does he seal them?
                For after Y`shua Moshiach, there is no prophet nor prophecy, only the revealing of hidden wisdom concerning Him & His works.

                All prophecy is completed in and through Y`shua Moshiach, yes?
                All prophecy is solely about Y`shua Moshiach, yes?
                Did all prophecy come through the lineage of Ishmael or the offspring of Judah & Israel? How can any claim prophecy when the One who inspired all prophecy is testified by the Father, The Spirit?  Certainly, The Father did not testify on Muhammad's behalf, but did testify on behalf of Moses.

                You are misled my friend, though a zeal is noted.

    19. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      My friend paarsurrey, The truth that you  spoke concerning putting our faith is written words on a piece of paper was true whether you now disagree no not.

         You almost saw the light.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend Jerami

        Quran was Word spoken by the Creator - God Allah YHWH on the heart of Muhammad and committed to memory generation after generation till our times; as also written as dictated by Muhammad; both support one another.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          If I recall correctly, the Q'ran was spoken to Muhammad by an angel.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend SirDent

            Please quote a verse from Quran with its context; five preceding and five following verses, and then establish your viewpoint.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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              SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Whether I quote any of it or not makes no difference as to it's origin.

              Did Muhammad recieve the Q'ran from an angel or not?

              Are all angels good angels?

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi friend SirDent

                I don't agree with you; if one says anything about Islam, at least one should first find a reference from Quran.

                The Creator- God Allah YHWH says in so many verses 10,20 or more the He has descended it. I just quote one for you :

                [15:7] And they said, ‘O thou to whom this Exhortation has been sent down, thou art surely a madman.
                [15:8] ‘Why dost thou not bring angels to us, if thou art of the truthful?’
                [15:9] We do not send down angels but by due right, and then they are granted no respite.
                [15:10] Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian
                [15:11] And We sent Messengers before thee among parties of ancient peoples. [15:12] And there never came to them any Messenger but they mocked at him.

                http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10

                Please see verse [15:10] above.

                Thanks

                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  why is the Quran using Old English.
                  I find that funny. (sorry, not mocking, just tickled my funnybone)

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi friend Twenty One Days

                    The original Quran is in Arabic; this translation was made almost a hundred years ago.

                    Thanks

                    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      all the more reason to dismiss it.

                      y`sallem ideek. smile

    20. Lady Rose profile image73
      Lady Roseposted 6 years ago

      Guys, the location of Hell is in the heart of the Earth.

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        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I had this conversation a few months ago. Couldn’t find it in scripture but would have bet a nickel that I read that the fires of hell are contained within the spirit of man.

           Whether it is in there or not..  that sounds about right to me   After all......The kingdom of god is in our hearts

    21. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      Hey Jerami,

      Show me some scripture where it states that the kingdom of god is in the heart?

      Just curious?

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      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      I know it says the kingdom of god is within. But, I haven't heard of what you speak, that's why I ask. hmm

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        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ya might have caught me getting carried away with improper use of vocabulary... I'll have to find it. If I can?

          As I said; I couldn't find the other phrase last time I looked for it.  The first bible that I ever read was a tynsdale      (I think) printed 1875 or 76 If I remember correctly. 
            I remember several issues that were adressed in that one that I've never found in the KJV
           I betcha I can find it using the word "heart", in some ones version of the bible  lol

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      ShadowKing!posted 6 years ago

      In the original Greek & Hebrew texts of the Scripture the word "hell" nor "its (absurd) meaning" is expressed. In reference to "a place of unquenchable fire" Jesus was indicating a place where any physical thing thrown into this fire would be completely destroyed, and that the fire wouldn't die out UNTIL EVERYTHING thrown in it was burned up. He called this place "Geenna" (Gehenna/Ge Hinnom)which means "Valley of Hinnom". It is a literal place located south of Jerusalem.

      In September of this year my book will be published. It thoroughly debunks the alleged "eternal-burning hell" idea. In August check out my hubs, one will be titled by the name of my book (you'll easily recognize it) and the hub will give you detailed to the book's content and official print date.

      Only followers of my hubs will get a sneak peak of sample chapters before print due ate.

     
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