In ancient times when the means of communication were not so developed; peoples of the world in different regions dud to the language difference could not communicate with one another. The Creator did communicate with all of them in their own languages for good understanding, guidance and convenience. They had different names in their own languages depciting the same Creator with the same attributes and the same message. I believe all such names as one person i.e, the Creator- God Allah YHWH Permatema Permeshar Bhagwan Ahura Mazda etc. All the Revealed Religions are, therefore, truthful in their origin; all the Revealed Books are truthful in the origin; all the divine guides called Messengers Prophets are truthful in their origin.
I will agree to this; all you have to offer is opinion and conjecture. I cannot consider you to be a credible "hubber" in ref to your forum subject. You are typical of all "unlearned" believers in this god/allah thing. You are naught but a "follower." I must ignore any question you post concerning this god/allah thing.
"It is very natural, pro-evolution and pro-life to believe in the existing of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Like we believe in our parents; we believe in God."
Hi friend getitrite
I am not creating any reality. Your parents were a reality; you would agree on this. Weren't they ? One accepts one's parents very naturally without any questioning; because they love one so much , they care one so much, they provide one with taking great care; and of course it is very natural.
The same way one believes one's Creator- God Allah YHWH; who set the evolution going and we were born into this world very naturally.
I think it is the denial of the Creator; which is a made up delusion of the Skeptics.
You may stick to your illusion however; no compulsion whatsoever.
This parent analogy concept is TOTAL nonsense, based on no facts whatsoever. I can see, touch, and hear my parents, but your Allah is only in your imagination. In other words, my parents are real, and Allah is not. Allah created nothing, because he is imaginary!
You must understand that this type of foolishness only reenforces the fallacy of your original premise, which is based purely on your whim! You have created a reality based on conjecture, not reason.
If your parents or dead; how could you touch and feel them. There are many orphans whose parents died in infancy. Don't they believe that they were their parents. Since, you are Skeptical, hence you deny the Creator- God Allah YHWH without any good and rational reason.
If you were to expand the parameters of your thinking you would see the abject nonsense of your view. You would understand that you are NOT using reason, but rather a closed-minded superstitious, whimsical, impulsive perception of reality.
This comparison(parent/God) is the nonsensical perceptions, and erroneous conclusions of a limited mind.
When Islamic propagandists flood the forums with propaganda, they are first treated nicely and attempts at discussion begin. Of course, there are no discussions with Islamic propagandists and derision is sure to follow as a result.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim. You may form any opinion about me you like; I don't mind. I submit my reasons; you are not to follow me or anyone else blindly. You may follow the reasons; if you are convinced with your heart, mind and soul; no compulsion whatsoever.
First off, what makes you think I am a friend? What is your point? I do not deny the chain. But, that still doesn't explain a creator or a god, as you are trying to tie them together. Your assumption is that someone or something created human beings. This would be wrong. As I stated above, I don't deny the chain and I'm not going to allow you to show it as something it is not.
So you assume that god exists. Where is the evidence for this belief? Presumably, based on my past experience with other god believers, you would cite the complexity of the universe or some other piece of evidence within this world. The question then is, how do you know that this world is real? You would probably say, "because it was created by god." And what is the evidence for god? It was already given: some aspect of this world. This is called circular logic. If this is not your reasoning, or something like it, please enlighten me as to your evidence for god.
Pls explain this to me. Why is it that when I ask a "believer" in this god/allah thing to define "it" for me in terms other than opinion and conjecture i.e. "Man" a 2 legged mammal which is warm blooded, suckles it's young, has a 4 chambered heart, has hair on its body etc., etc., they can't do it? Yet, many guide their lives, give their lives and adamantly defend their belief about it with naught but "guess and hope" as a foundation? I classify this as "insanity."
LOL,rationality ? have you ever come up with any good rational reason or evidence to back up your claim ?
Orphan or you,me are born from other humans and we can verify that with the help of DNA/Blood tests. Now your claim of god related with us is not based on any evidence just mere word play. Even if orphan disagrees with coming from parents we can prove that they're human and born from humans. Now can you take pain and prove that we're product of god ? rationality sir,bring in proof.
Dear Paar, You are wasting your time talking to the farm animals they only believe in themselves. They have no proof that what they say is true and when you remind them that the Bible is proof they want other proof. All the while, they have no proof to support their position. They are a bunch of arrogant rude hummanists just like the rest of their Ilk on the left.
why not ? if anyone have any issue with faithfulness why they can't check it? being unfaithful is allowed in islam ?
No, another assumption, many people have separated from parents for many reasons and they're tested for blood for various reasons. There is nothing skeptical about it it's just lack of rationality in islam.or i can say relating imaginary entity with human parents without any proof for imaginary entity.
and you feel offended for this check ?why ? anyway let's see do you have a proof to verify our relation with god ? for that first prove he exist then talk about relation.
Can you get over your sweeping statements and proceed towards proof ? It is delusion buddy, since you're believer you don't see the flaws in your statement. I don't mind if you don't see flaws,you're not skeptical.
You are such a nice person. You say I have flaws in the post; yet you are unable to point out. So, it only cofirms that you are skeptical by nature.
Why the Skeptics hesitate to point out the flaws? Similarly what flaws they see in the Universe that they don't believe in the Creator? Please don't be so un-natural to deny the Creator. Without his Word nothing would have evolved and shaped to the present form.
So you mean to say non-skeptical person don't see any flaws ? Cool,so how you differentiate between drinkable water and water with algae ? You don't find flaws do you ? No need to answer, i can understand the awesomeness of allah the creator delusion blinding your capacity of reasoning.
As long as we give existence only to what we can perceive via our senses we are on dubious ground. Where are all those meditators?
Hi friend Ashmi
You are right; there are many ways leading to the Creator- God Allah YHWH; one is outwardly thinking on the creation of the Universe; and the other is thinking inwardly in one's self and finding the Creator; as He says in his Word"(He)is verily in you; don't you see Him"; this is meditation.
The meditation should be done however as revealed in the Word of Creator.
You could neither point out any flaws in the Universe created by God Allah YHWH nor in the Word of the Creator. Word of the Creator is Quran.
Some skeptics mentioned here some words; but did not state as to what they meant or as to what was their confusion about them.
Please come on; you might win; don't be dismayed, I don't debate or discuss for winning. I write to understand and to bring unity among all the religions and non-religions on TRUTH, without a compromise.
Keep promoting and maybe you will make prophethood.
I have no claim to it. I am an ordinary man in the street in search of truth. I have no claim of being a Scholar or of any piety. I respect all the Scientists, only the real ones not their blind followers who call themselves Skeptics/Humanists/Atheists/Agnostics while they are only in confusion but they know not.
Riiiiiiiight. This is why you told Sky in the other thread you believe you are a messenger/prophet. I can smell you wannabe prophets from miles away, all you have to do is see who obsessively promotes their ridiculous religious faith. Keep lying about your rise to prophethood.
We should be thankful to Allah that he is bestowed us life:
[24:36] Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a lustrous niche, wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a glittering star. It is lit from a blessed tree — an olive — neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would well-nigh glow forth even though fire touched it not. Light upon light! Allah guides to His light whomsoever He will. And Allah sets forth parables to men, and Allah knows all things full well.
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