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What or where does conscience stem from?

  1. Obscure Divine profile image60
    Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago

    Of course, conscience is the "consciousness of the moral right or wrong of one's own acts or motives."  This is not about 'consciousness' in a sense of being aware that you're conscious, nor is it about whether you believe there is a such thing as "right or wrong" due to "label & title" beliefs...it is about the question:  Was you born into this world with a sense of conscience or did you learn it from your surroundings and/or surrounding influential beings and/or environmental fear factors, such as thunder, for example, that may have scared you into a state of thinking there may be some other ultimate form of order?  What's the difference?  Mother nature or your parents?  The question may seem simple when first read, but it all depends on how far your memory can go back......

    I welcome any input, negative or positive, as this may prove to be answered in simple minded ways or by the complexities of deeper aspects via diverse thought waves from one's own self recollection......

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Each human being was born with a conscience, but it remains unused until one is taught that it exists and what it means to have.
      The only factors that should factor in is what is taught in school and from parents- should those conflict? Then verification of which is truth would still need to be discerned through the effort of the one seeking the information/knowledge.

      There is a difference between a conscience and understanding it, versus what you are comparing it to. The Thunder, as you say, wouldn't have a factor in one's belief, because we know how it is created/happens.
      Nature is part of the core of Earth and it's survival. Your parents, are your individual guides, for understanding life.

      Mother nature plays no role in your life, except to interrupt it on occasion.

      Btw- it doesn't take recollection to figure out things. It takes one to introspectively view things objectively, so as to gain/discern truth about their own individual existence.

      Interesting question. To make simple- Your individual conscience is derived from your individual consciousness. If you didn't have your consciousness, then you wouldn't have your conscience, because you wouldn't have free will to make choices or actions, which cause one to try and figure out of if right or wrong.

      Just my thoughts on it. smile

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for you thoughts, and they were good ones.
        So, you admit we were born with a conscience?
        Okay, where did it stem from?
        See, I think recollection matters, since some of us may remember having a conscience before it could reasonably be taught.
        I do think nature can dictate the same parental ways that may influence conscience; I suppose it depends on how early you are aware of your surroundings.  One cannot understand the science of "thunder" at age 3, for example.  But later, we can say that it had no influence because now we know the science behind it.
        Then again, maybe that is why Gaia is known as "Mother Earth."
        Although, I totally admit that conscience interrelates with consciousness; no doubt.
        What few collective thoughts I have gathered on this thread, has provided what I originally thought:
        So, conscience stems from universal consciousness, and the ultimate source of consciousness from one source of awareness, designed our petty form of evolution on planet Earth, which caused us to adapt to our current madness?
        Sounds good to me...  Damn, I'm starting to sound like the hub member "marinealways24," ha-ha!

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I told you where it stems from...your consciousness. I even told you why I say that.

          It is impossible for you to be aware of your conscience, before you can learn what it is? You cannot know something, before you learn it.
          Again, nature is irrelevant, because human consciousness is a higher level of awareness.
          A child of age 3 is not going to understand "thunder", so it would or could be afraid of it, but as one learns more about reality, they learn that thunder is harmless.
          Yes, they are connected.
          Okay, this part I will disagree with. Humankind evolved consciousness, it wasn't a granted ability or power from some other source. The human beings mindspace, being two chamber, evolved individual consciousness, so as to adapt to the growing of society.

          Again, just my understanding of what you asked. smile

          1. Obscure Divine profile image60
            Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I disagree, but thanks again for your opinion.
            I think it is very possible to be aware of your conscience before you learn all of these other earthly "things" you speak about - by textbooks or by whatever other means of so-called "education."  But, then again, I may be presenting personal bias since I'm currently at a sublime state of consciousness.  This is another reason why I wanted to see other peoples' opinion, which is great...  wink

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No - you are not. If you were - you would not be asking the question you just asked.

              Take it from me - using a computer does not compute with a sublime state of consciousness.

              Conscience. No conscience. Meaningless concept when faced with premature death of your offspring.

              Really.

              big_smile

              1. Obscure Divine profile image60
                Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Huh?  Are you now questioning the reason for inquisitiveness?
                A computer has nothing to do with it.  It is just another means of communication.
                Nothing is meaningless, by the way...

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Not in the slightest. No.

                  Was I not clear?

                  1. Obscure Divine profile image60
                    Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Probably not; sometimes I'm bad about reading into stuff.  You can always restate in a more candid fashion.

      2. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Very well said Cagsil.  I also liked what you had to say about Evolution playing a basic role in the development of an ever evolving consciousness.

    2. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Answer - self preservation.

      Have you ever noticed that it is OK to kill some one when they are opposing a gas pipeline, but not so much when they favor the pipeline?

      See? How hard is that? wink

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, that is killer instinct, but thanks anyway.  I agree about that...  LOL!  wink

    3. prettydarkhorse profile image63
      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      it is sociological as it depends on the society you are into, its morals and accepted values plus of course you have your own consciousness to balance what you think is really right or wrong.

      You are not born with conscience it is the society in which you live  that will mostly determine your concept of whats wrong and right. first your family, then school, peers, religion, and laws of the government!

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        See, I'd hate to disagree with your lovely answer, but......  okay, I'll just say I was born with a conscience from past awareness; that way, it will still preserve your beautiful answer for everyone else.  smile

    4. Sab Oh profile image60
      Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It stems from Natural Law (Moral Law, if you will).

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Just curious, is that universal law or earth-bound law, or is it all the same?

    5. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      there are studies done that say conscience and morality begin in a section of the brain. 

      there is a difference between conscience and consciousness.

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree, science and religion are both confused forms of madness.
        Well, since you put it that way, where did the brain stem from?  ...A conscious form of evolution?
        I know, just like most people on this particular forum topic knows, there is definitely a difference between conscience and consciousness; that's why I started the thread, to begin with.  But, they both interrelate...  smile

  2. kirstenblog profile image80
    kirstenblogposted 7 years ago

    Oooo
    I hope Cagsil responds to this one, I always enjoy his thinking on these sorts of questions.

    As for myself I haven't a clue lol
    I have a conscience but have never pondered its source smile

  3. William R. Wilson profile image60
    William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago

    It's an evolutionary adaptation that has helped humans to cooperate and work together, and thus made us successful as a species.

    1. Obscure Divine profile image60
      Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's a good answer from the "label & title" belief section.  It was definitely a sound minded scientific answer.
      So, we just sort of picked up conscience along the way, is that what you meant?  We evolved into conscience?  Personally, I thought cooperation and working together was one of our shortcomings from the fallouts of mankind, or else, this would be a peaceful world, now wouldn't it?
      Thanks for answering, though...

      1. William R. Wilson profile image60
        William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What?

        fallouts of mankind?  cooperation a shortcoming?

        1. Obscure Divine profile image60
          Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, the Homo sapiens aren't very good at it, as a whole; look around...

    2. kirstenblog profile image80
      kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Makes sense to me smile
      Try n survive in the jungle on your own and see how long it takes to be something else's dinner!
      Survive in the jungle as a part of a tribe and you might just do OK, even experience happiness and joy. We are a communal animal smile

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What does that have to do with conscience?  LOL!

        1. kirstenblog profile image80
          kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Behave dangerously or criminally and get kicked out of your tribe and see how long you live. What punishment would be more likely to result in death outside of being killed out right? We just cannot survive in total isolation. Anyone who could not operate inside the tribe was unlikely to pass on their genes and were an evolutionary dead end. Lack of conscience for mankind is just not viable.

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, I would say a lack of conscience is unacceptable. smile

          2. Obscure Divine profile image60
            Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Kristen, conscience doesn't stem from the core of one's self, from that tribal tribulation of yours, geez...

  4. kess profile image60
    kessposted 7 years ago

    The conscience stems from the ability to see the duality of all things.

    It is the cause of the "fall" of man from the beginning which came by the command "do not".

    But what is considered as a "fall", truly is merely an opportunity "to be" just as God is, for unless we see this duality which comes via the conscience, we would not nor cannot Know The Father.

    1. Obscure Divine profile image60
      Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you mean reflective thoughts of divinity?  Just curious...
      Although, this sounds like it falls under the "label & title"  belief section, thanks for answering.

  5. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Okay, let me put it this way.

    When you are a child, about the age of 3 or 4, then when you go to do something, and you get caught doing it, then your parent reprimands you....you do learn the right or wrong aspect.

    It doesn't come into existence, until you do something that is right or wrong. Reasoning, you as a child do not know right from wrong, it is simply something you cannot be aware of, because it needs to be taught to you.

    The first time the parent slaps a hand, when a child is old enough to understand NO...which is part of right or wrong, is when conscience begins to come into play.

    Are you aware of it sooner? No.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

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      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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      2. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Cagsil, that makes sense in a primitive, elementary sense.  But, it is very apparent that you might miss the point - due to your blind spot - when it comes to trying to understand mystics from intuitive beings.  I can't agree with you, in my light, since that wasn't the case with me and I'm sure, many others.  I will say, you will relate to the majority; but then again, I'm not on the same level as the majority - but I still learn from them.  smile

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          roll

    2. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago

      Why did mine and Marks posts get deleted?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Deleted

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol It's been a long day.

      2. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Who in the hell knows?  I figured you two got into it, and individually deleted your posts.  But, I did manage to view some of them before y'all deleted 'em.  LOL! 
        I think you should keep the insults live, as you'll never have to worry about me reporting you since I believe in something called "freedom of speech."

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol I think i'm too tired to fight today. Besides, I like old Knowles, he keeps me honest and logical in my replies.

        2. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol What are you talking about, I did too delete it.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Which one was an insult? I thought I deleted the insults.

                1. Obscure Divine profile image60
                  Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Quit deleting your true opinions, dang!

    3. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago

      Maybe the word conscience was invented by religion as a way to control the mob by way of subconscious.

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Organized religions didn't coin the word 'conscience'......but maybe the terms: fear, control, and corruption.  LOL!

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

      Did someone delete the post where the question was answered?
      haha

      ...Cagsil came the closest to what I view as the answer.
      I'm just waiting for the real answer....

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Aww- I am fairly sure you have an answer that allows you to do whatever you like and still point a finger.

        Like wot the biybel sez. lol

        Religionists. Sooo funny.

    5. prettydarkhorse profile image63
      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

      Imagine Tarzan living alone with the animals, will he has conscience like sharing his food to animals or he will fight with the animals to have food, will he learn to eat by fork!we learn because we socialize and we socialize first in our homes, then school and outside world as we grow older, we move farther away from home

      I honestly think that conscience can be natural like sharing food etc, humans have a natural goodness in them,  and it is also dictated by the mores of the society so it is both, natural and through socialization!

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hey PDH, not to pick on you, but there is a difference between, your consciousness and your conscience. Grant it, these are connected together, but each have been identified as separate things.

        1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
          prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          its ok Cagsil, consciousness is determined by your conscience to some extent -- and conscience is determined by the result of your natural goodness plus socialization process

          it is the being which determines consciousness to some extent also

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

      Mark, you're slipping.  You forgot to hisssssss that time.

    7. prettydarkhorse profile image63
      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

      that natural goodness is inherent upon you because of a GOD

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That is your belief. It's actually Evolution, as it has been identified.

        Consciousness was evolved to. It wasn't given to human beings.

        On your first post- Your consciousness is your awareness of life. Should you not have that- then your individual conscience will not have existed, because you will not be able to recognize it.

        Your conscience is the rightness and wrongness of what actions we do. It doesn't come into play, until you act. If you are just thinking, then your conscience has no value. When you put those thoughts into an action, then and only then does your conscience determine whether or not it is right or wrong.

        This would be a moral trait that comes from being taught the true meaning of Integrity. Integrity is honesty and love combined. smile

    8. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago

      Ah ha! I think I have the answer, but i'm not sure. I'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong.

      I don't think conscience is limited to just us.

      I think conscience is shown in animals in the form of altruism in evolution. Would a living thing show unselfish concern towards others without a conscience? I don't think so.

    9. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago

      Where did everyone go?

      Does conscience design altruism?

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know, but a couple of them may be off to debate about the existence of the "tooth fairy" or something similar...

        Anyway, that is an interesting subject you brought up. 
        I'm short for time right now, busy trying to shoot some freakish individual dressed as the Easter Bunny that just wandered into my yard - it's currently passing out printed-off sheets of humanity-damaging propaganda.  I hope my sawed-off 12 gauge does the trick!  Just kidding...

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol

          I knew you were a serial killer!

          1. Obscure Divine profile image60
            Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL!  It was quick and painless, now I need to buy a new shovel...  Ha-ha!
            Hmm, why do you think I'm a serial killer, just curious since you've mentioned this before?

            Oh, about your question:  "Does conscience design altruism?"

            When speaking about other animals:  Conscience seems to relate to the level of consciousness a race of beings have - when compared to other species, as a whole.  But, I'm yet to see that altruism can consistently parallel with conscience - due to random factors and elements of life.

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              zampanoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              due to survival factors.
              what is good for you, might be good for me, because we are much more alike than different.

              1. Obscure Divine profile image60
                Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Huh?  Serial killers are due to survival factors?  What?

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      Obscure Divine wrote:

      What or where does conscience stem from?

      Paarsurrey says:

      It stems with the spirit or soul as designed by the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

        Ridiculous. You say everything stems from Allah so you don't have to think.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend marinealways24

          First there is design then the creation. From inanimates> botanical> animals> to human beings; the life got evolved. The difference is the creation of soul or the spirit.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. Obscure Divine profile image60
            Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Your identity is becoming redundant verbiage; surely, we all know who you represent by now, but thanks for telling us...AGAIN!

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      zampanoposted 7 years ago

      consciouseness as you describe it in your first period, looks like ethics.
      I think it's a kind of sublimation of the survival instinct which is inherent to all species.
      As for knowlege, one part is born with each individual DNA and the other is aquired from the environment (family included).
      This is an easy answer, and I like it.
      For instance :
      all humans are born with a self defense instinct that commands basic fight or flight reactions. But in some societies you should carry a gun in order to protect yourself and the group and in other human groups it's strictly forbidden (for the same reasons).
      So, a conformist behaviour increases chances of survival.
      I hope this answer was "convenient". Even if it comes from a mere interpretation of your writing.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend zampano

        In religious terms, in short, it is described as soul or spirit.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          zampanoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi peaceful Muslim.
          Have a mint tea, while I drink a glass of wine.
          (the blood of our Saviour, Lord Jesus Christ !)
          a spirituous drink.
          hehehe.

      2. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi, Zampano; thanks for commenting.

        I still don't see how "survival instinct" relates to moral conscience.  I call that "killer instinct" not conscience.  There is more to morals than life or death; feelings and emotions run a little longer than whether you should tear out someone's throat or not - for survival.

    12. sannyasinman profile image60
      sannyasinmanposted 7 years ago

      Conscience: “the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action: to follow the dictates of conscience.”

      So, it is clearly something which is learnt from our surroundings and cultural upbringing, and therefore differs greatly depending upon where you are and where you came from.

      For example, if a woman brought up in an indigenous Amazonian tribe were to give you advice on “How To Best Enjoy Your Neighbour”,

      You might be shocked to hear her talk of roasting, pot-boiling, grilling, or other ways to cook the person in question, so as to make him as tasty as possible before eating him.

      So she’s a cannibal. What’s wrong with that? smile

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        zampanoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's someone who really knows how to serve men.

      2. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi, Sanny:

        If, by what you say, conscience is something acquired or learned, then what does it stem from?  If you say surroundings, then what provides the influence via surroundings to pervade conscience into our cranial structures - if it wasn't already there to start with?

        1. sannyasinman profile image60
          sannyasinmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          For me, there is a difference between conscience and consciousness.

          Some say that consciousness is what we really are. This consciousness is eternal and cannot be destroyed. Everything that we experience and know exists within this, and our individuated consciousness is actually a part of everything else. For example, it takes a new born baby quite some time before it realises that it has an identity which is separate from the other "stuff" around it. Initially it thinks that itself, mother, chair, table etc, are all the same without boundaries. Quantum physics is now starting to prove that this is true, on the level of energy and vibration.

          So in my opinion, conscience is a human component which affects our thoughts and behaviour and dies when we die. It is learnt along with everything else we know. 

          Consciousness however has no conscience. It would be superfluous.

          1. Obscure Divine profile image60
            Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Conscience has to come from consciousness, or else, you wouldn't be conscious enough to even ponder the notion of where conscience stems from.  ...I think most of us agree on that.
             
            I'm yet to figure out, by your last sentence, why you claim that conscience is the superfluity of all consciousness while consciously typing on your keypad about your thoughts of conscience.  Huh?

            To say that we acquire a conscience due to our mundane path of madness on planet Earth,  is to discredit that consciousness is eternal, since you have to be conscious to have conscience.  But, by what you previously said, that would contradict your eternal theory of consciousness. 

            Anyway, like I insinuated before, conscience was there all along - integrated to the fullest - due to past awareness, on this current level of existence via Homo sapiens, but this was before we all became senseless "thinking" scholars and denied such thoughts & feelings by the religion of science and by the crazed organized religions of today.

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      zampanoposted 7 years ago

      In our western societies, cutting throats has become less related to survival than in some far in time and space societies. Take the Pampas, for example : next police station at 500 miles. Under those circumstances you have to solve a lot of things by yourself. Often it involves weapons and sometimes manslaughter.
      Survival instinct or its sublimations materialize very well in morals, ethics, law code.
      It's all about property and group or individual integrity.
      We are even obliged to make laws about some endangered species... survival.
      Survival is not morals. It's the number 1 law for all.
      morals is what I call a sublimation of the survival instinct which is thinner, lighter than the "killer instinct". But we keep killing ours and other species for survival, anyway.
      Cattle for beef, talibans or whatever for opium.
      Take the ten commandments. It's a perfect ethic code to start a nation. A kind of first constitution. A group had to survive their intestine wars and some behaviors that compromised the family structure, which is vital to breed and educate.
      I wrote more than enough...

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Conscience has nothing to do with survival; plain and simple.
        All that reply did, was throw in the 10 commandments which could have probably been shortened to 2 or 3 commandments - which is still irrelevant to where conscience spawned from.
        But, thanks for your verbiage.
        By the way, what is wrong with killing cattle for beef/food?
        I used to be a butcher, so I naturally think it is natural to kill for food and I'm still semi-caveman, since I'm more in touch with the core of this lovely blue planet that I currently dwell on, than the typical materialistic lost individuals that spouts precarious notions.

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          zampanoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you talk about verbiage, You're talking about your contradictory writings.
          You missed the point of ethics as sublimation of survival instinct.
          I never said that it'd be wrong to kill cattle for food. I love beef.
          And you can even kill people for food.

          1. Obscure Divine profile image60
            Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I thought your "commandments" spoke about "thou shall not kill" or some crap like that.  In fact, a lot of religious aficionados are vegetarian, by some crazed belief.  There is nothing ethical about surviving in that primitive fashion, in which you speak about.
            Prove it; show me my so-called "contradictory writings" when you get a chance...  wink

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
              IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I never realized that "thou shall not kill" was a load of sh@t.  Well...! 


              Kill the babies!!

              Down with innocent!!

              Kill, KIll, KILL!!

              wink

              Sometimes the ten commandments does make good sense...  No matter whose they are.

              1. Obscure Divine profile image60
                Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, they were 3 hairs from being an ape.  Kill-kill, is natural.  Besides, the 10 commandments was not a very efficient use of words; not very concise...and was absolutely a supernumerary display of hogwash that could have been shortened to very few, if not a couple, so-called "commandments."  But, 10 sounds better...

                1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
                  IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I can see you have no sense of humor.  Nor the clear insight to see that you went a little overboard with your posts about the commandments.  I don't care who said "thou Shalt Not KILL!", all I care about is that we don't kill.

                  Whatever.
                  Lets have it YOUR way........

                  Kill the babies!

                  Kill!!!tonguelollollol

                  1. Obscure Divine profile image60
                    Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I have plenty of humor, trust me. wink
                    I'm not being funny right now, since I'm yet to see your point or anyone elses that wants to bring up ancient commandments about control freaks, oops, I meant apes!
                    Why do you keep speaking about babies?
                    Do you work at an illegal abortion clinic or something?
                    big_smile

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                      zampanoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                      With all that humour you got, I really hope your butcher tools are well kept away from you...

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      zampano wrote:

      Take the Ten Commandments. It's a perfect ethic code to start a nation. A kind of first constitution. A group had to survive their intestine wars and some behaviors that compromised the family structure, which is vital to breed and educate.
      I wrote more than enough...

      Paarsurrey says:

      I appreciate your point.

      Thanks

    15. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago

      sannyasinman wrote:
      For me, there is a difference between conscience and consciousness.

      Some say that consciousness is what we really are. This consciousness is eternal and cannot be destroyed. Everything that we experience and know exists within this, and our individuated consciousness is actually a part of everything else. For example, it takes a new born baby quite some time before it realises that it has an identity which is separate from the other "stuff" around it. Initially it thinks that itself, mother, chair, table etc, are all the same without boundaries. Quantum physics is now starting to prove that this is true, on the level of energy and vibration.

      So in my opinion, conscience is a human component which affects our thoughts and behaviour and dies when we die. It is learnt along with everything else we know. 

      Consciousness however has no conscience. It would be superfluous.
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        I think I have to agree...  our concience is learned behaveior on a subconcience level, beginning while we are in the crib. The manner in which we are treated and our acceptance of this treatment or not is what governs our concience. Being punished and told that this was for bad behaveior is a  behaveioral adjustment technique imposed upon the concience mind in attempting to establish social complience.
       
        Or something like that.

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I guess it all falls back to different levels of awareness or existence, since I actually remember the "crib"...maybe some people, like myself,  just have a freaky sense of recollection.  So, that would make for at least a 99% or 99.99% "blind spot" for most Homo sapiens' recollections of their last point of transit.  Interesting...

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

      What or where does conscience stem from?


      Hi friends

      It comes from spirit or soul of a person; and soul is born within the fetus with a word from the Creator.

      [17:86] And they ask thee concerning the soul. Say, ‘The soul is by the command of my Lord; and of the knowledge thereof you have been given but a little.’

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=83

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    17. Lisa HW profile image83
      Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

      This thread gave me an idea for a new Hub, so thanks.  smile Actually, it was just a matter of my response running so long I decided to turn it into a Hub.   (I just posted it if anyone's interested.)

      1. Obscure Divine profile image60
        Obscure Divineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Your welcome!  big_smile
        Maybe I'll check it out eventually, but I can pretty well rest assured, by what you said above, it will lack laconic style and will most likely bore me to death due to the lack of terse wording.
        Have fun, though...  smile

     
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