being world one of the most populated & dominating religion, but still why so called Muslim fought war or jihad all across the world .
I don't know where you get your news from but it is not only the Muslims who are fighting.
You bring up an ironic point. Check out this website, and learn just how peaceful they are........ I takes awhile, however it completely listed the battles and event times and dates of Muslim fighting and jihad. It is crazy. http://voters.linktoo.us/chapter_6_earl … _peace.htm
Not as peaceful as they pretend to be.
My brother....do you what is JIHAD...pls visit below link to learn more about JIHAD....
http://hubpages.com/hub/What-is-Jihad-I … Christians
oh no dear only muslims r not fighting, more than muslims many others r fighting, like athiests and mormons,
i guess u wants to say that y muslims r only doing jihad,
when muslims feel any danger for thier religion or feel any danger for their people than they fight for that and gets heaven, c wats the easiest way of getting heaven is this...they r called shohada...i also wants to do jihad, if i got chance to join any jihad's council i will not think a second abt it i will give my life to islam not only for heaven but for, meeting with ALLAH the most loving one and the most beloved.
Yes, we already know violence, war and killing are condoned in Islam as well as lying, which you have also graciously provided examples. Tell us something about Islam we don't know, like the truth.
oh yes! you want heaven by killing innocent people, so u want to join Let or Hijbul mujahdin or some thing like that to kill non muslins children men and women. Allah told you to do that???? Allah give you heaven for this???? This is written in your Kuran???? Is it true then Islam is a very good religion because in my religion we have to serve people help people and love people for their good, and believe me its too hard to do so. If Allah gives me guarantee of heaven for killing I am ready to join Islam.
What is ur religion....tell me...i will show truth of ur religion to you!....
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beelzedad! u dont know abit about islam cuz if u knews than it would not be ur behaviour, blind man!
hey u! dont think i can't say a word against it, if i starts than i will never stop and wat the shit u have wrote is all and all false. we and u, all will see each other soon at doomsday, oh! than ALLAH will ask u to call urself made God, than wat will u do? i will b happy to see ur expressions.
SUMUM BUKMUM beelzedad SUMUM BUKMUM!
I think you're the one who's blind.
You're blinded by your faith against reason.
I cannot read this.
What is up with the English and grammar?
Your violent threats are of no consequence to me, and I know you'll never stop, that's all part and parcel to Islamic propaganda.
Btw, its Sumum Bukmun.
Ah "personal attack in islamic package" always comes in bad typo grammar flavor...
me? am i the blind? go get lost, am not blind i have eyes.
i have strong belive on ALLAH and MOHOMMAD(PBUH), i have quran, i have a strong and right path which is called islam. I have seen many miracles in my life of islam.
oh! oh! oh! how i forgetted that naked people dont want any discussion about islam..lol! cough! cough! u people r naked, and so bad and so unclean, oh my God! yuakh! i dont want to say that sentence it will insult u...so unclean people...lol!
Oh I'll discuss Islam, when you are ready to face reality.
http://voters.linktoo.us/chapter_6_earl … _peace.htm
Face it, Muslims love to hate and kill for religious sport.
CORRECTED IT. NOW TRY IT.
How dare you! I'll have you know that I shower everyday! - With soap even! And wear clothes! - But not in the shower of course because that would be just silly.
Patient, Sister. Please remember, "Don't be angry. don't be angry. Don't be angry." It is not worthy. Please trust me?
u take shower only once in a day??
uyakh! i use to take shower 2 times a aday..
You didn't answer the miracle question.
that's just waste of water!
THink about the environment!
they dont use water my friend these terrorist use blood on innocent people
intimate evolution! the website u gave me when i opened it, it says
THE WEBPAGE CANNOT BE FOUND.
iam curious abt it, wats that abt? hurryup! i hope ur not taking shower as legendary is goinn to take?
oh yae! so i found many miracles like i saw the name of ALLAH appeared on milk rice, the name of mohommad(pbuh) on a bread.
u heard abt haddath shah ali mujadad, a boy went to him and explained his problem than shah ali just says ' b a good muslim' and that boy turned towards islam and now he's shining in hsi faith.
haddath shah ali mujadad is a great person of ALLAH, belive me many people, who were non_muslims, when went to him cuz he was so much famous, and when he says to them to accept than nobody knows they themself says the faith word and accept islam. haddath shah ali is now in the age of 100's
I am curious to hear your opinion of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and Ahmadiyya
Sure, you do more damage to your religion every time you write a post. Keep it comin'.
u are leading people to hell.One day u will die u will be in hell also.
Muslim is not a true CHRISTIAN,they worship a ALLAH.their god that who teach a evil doctrine made by their ALLAH.
intimate! can u summarize that? cuz its night and its time to leave. a sentence attracts me that silah hadayibiah was broken by mohommad(pbuh)'s army, NEVER!! hadaibiyah was brokened by jews.
greekone; mirza qadyani claims himself as a prophet but he's not, n to my information mirza was a fraud man who selled himself to jews, n their fath is different from muslims,
legendary! if u wants to read miracles than u should visit my topic which is called 'if u says ISLAM is wrong so y this?'
those miracles r 100% true,
I do not believe that all the muslims are fighting and indulging in war but most of them are doing it just for the name sake of jihad, which is very wrong for them as well as to the whole world..
@ Errum Fattah
Please check whether im getting Islamic point of view correctly...
1) Islam is a religion of peace, equality & freedom.
2) Quran is perfect in nature as it is Allahs word. There are no flaws in it bcoz Allah himself protected his message from human and other intervention. Quran is bestowed by Allah for all races of all time. On the contrary, Bible and all other religious books are either distorted or flawed bcoz of human intervention.
3) Muhammad is the last and the greatest of all prophets. In fact he is the greatest of all human being. We are supposed to follow his lifestyle and his words
I guess these are the fundamental believes of mainstream muslims, right?
Now will you (or some other peaceful muslim brothers) kindly provide your valuable rational point of view on the following points:
1) a) Quran accepts human slavery; where a master may make his female slave as his concubine
2) b) it accepts polygamy, men can marry upto 4 times but women can’t do that. Men are promised 70 beautiful bedpets in afterlife but nothing like that is promised for women
3) c) In case of property distribution, Islamic rule of thumb is: Sons will get twice as much as daughters
If quran is the word of God, then why are there so many discrepancies between men & womens rights? Why slavery was allowed? Why human were bought and sold like animals in the market??Do you think God loved to see humans to be treated like animals??
4) Greatness of Muhammad:
a. He married thirteen times (some sources say the actual number is 14). In this century, if a man gets married 14 times, I’m 100% sure that no matter how great he is, he will be considered a pervert by the society.
b. Among his 13 wives, there was Zaynab bint Jahsh. She was special bcoz she got married to Muhammad’s adopted son first. Then divorced him so that she can marry Muhammad. Sounds like family incest to me
c. He is the only warrior prophet mankind has ever seen. When he couldn’t win his people with his words, he fought them with weapons.
Now tell me, how can the greatest human of all time had inferior primitive qualities like these?? If we follow him, start making love with dozens of women and make war with whoever disagress us, I dont think society is going like us
I guess theres not a single Muslim who is ready to answer my post
u says ;
1) a) Quran accepts human slavery; where a master may make his female slave as his concubine.
rich! muslim man never maked any female slave as his concubine, although, non muslims did it, if muslims at that time see any female slave in the control of a wicked and cruel master than they buy that slave and free them. a ayat camed from ALLAH, in which he says to free all slaves who wants freedom from u, then many muslim men did it and they do what the God says, If the slave didn't wants to leave his master than he was having full right to live with him.
And one more thing quran never says to make ur female slave as ur concubine, cuz quran never says to do sex before marriage so first be sure of this all before posting anything.
b) it accepts polygamy, men can marry upto 4 times but women can’t do that. Men are promised 70 beautiful bedpets in afterlife but nothing like that is promised for women.
look if man is not satisfied with his wife cuz wife is not good with him than he has the right to marry with another woman, BUT! if he can't give equal rights to all his wives than he dont have any right to marry with another, and he has to take permission from his first wife its good, n if he didn't, his wife is not good with him but the man wants a good life so, he can marry without asking permission from her.
when women is divorced then she has all rights to marry with another guy, no any religion allowed women to marry with another guy if she's already married. and ISLAM had told men to marry the widow and that widow can save their afterlife from hell, and one more thing c if women is good with her husband and husband not so that person(man) will have a huge azab from ALLAH, cuz mohommad(pbuh) had ordered all muslims to give equal rights to women and if somebody didn't than he will taste punishment from ALLAH cuz ALLAH is with the women.
u know that the girls of heaven will b so beautifull BUT the wife of that person will be 90% more beautifull than that heaven's girl. SO, will he give lift to that heaven's girl or to his most beautifull wife. If woman is divourced than that woman will have all right to choose anybody from the crowd of muslim men.
I think wats the problem u having with islam is the rights of women, but i want to say that islam is the only religion which have give equal rights to women its the only one.
and the last point u said, i have to search abt it in quran than i will anser u the right one.
and all other points u asked, i will anser u but after the lunch, the points 4_a,b,c all r false. i will give u its defination but after lunch. wait for me..
the point which u posted abt the part of womenin property, can u give me the surah or thing from which u got this point.
u says; If quran is the word of God, then why are there so many discrepancies between men & womens rights? Why slavery was allowed? Why human were bought and sold like animals in the market??Do you think God loved to see humans to be treated like animals??
The difference in tasks is that Man is in fact, created for earning a living while Woman is created to care for the home. The difference between man and woman is likened to the difference between night and day as the night is the time for rest and sleeping, and the day the time specified for work and striving for earning a living; in other words their roles are opposite, but complementary. Almighty Allaah thus addressed Aadam, peace be on him, saying which translates as: “Then We said: "O Adam! Verily, this is an enemy to thee and thy wife: so let him not get you both out of the Garden, so that thou art landed in misery.” (Taha: 117). Aadam alone was addressed with this.
womens main characteristics are feminity and motherhood. Man on the other hand is characterized by masculinity , strength, and for bearance. A woman who gives up her nature and imatates men in their way of talking and walking deserves prophet's curse. Likewise, those men in their way of talking and walking deserves the prophet's curse. 'ALLAH's prophet sallahu alaihi wasalam cursed effeminate men and masculinzed women.(ahmad daood)
women and men all are equal for God, like white and black are equal for him, and what u said about seeling slaves so dear! muslims never buyed any slave for expressing their wickedness on them, thus they sell thier slaves for money, if they needs any money than they sell slave and don't forgett that more than muslims non_muslims were involved in selling it, selling of slaves was a major and routine in that time, so there was no any objections for them.
God never liked that his man should b treated like animal, man face difficulties in their lives but GOD didn't gived that much any difficulty which cannot be handle by this person( i hope u understand), u know ALLAH loves sabireen( one who is patient) so he give them some events in which he wants that person to bear it, if he will bear it than he will get great gift from God.
oh these r so long , well, watever thing was getting in my sence i present it, and wat abt ur questions which were 4_a,b,c,....if u wants me to answer after this, i will or if u r not satisfied than find another. i hope i give u full answers althouigh my english is not so good
I must thank u for your effort, but it wasnt what I was looking for. I asked for your Rational Opinion , not Islamic traditional explanation of defending their faith. I was well aware of these explanations, which consists flaws in many perspectives. Lets take a look at this:
1. Quran Accepts Slavery! You tried to point out that muslims were really good and well mannered with their slaves. But thats not the point. Point is, If Quran is the word of God, then It should have banned Slavery completely but it didnt. In this case, today's state laws are far better than quran which at least prohibits human slavery.
u said :"...muslims never buyed any slave for expressing their wickedness on them..." - honey, buying slaves or selling humans, itself is wickedness!!! Just imagine how would you feel if the american soldiers in Iraq, starts selling ur captive mother and sister in the market!! I gurantee you, no matter how well the soldiers treat you, you will hate them! And I believe u r lacking knowledge about the history of slave system. Go through "history of slavery in Arab world" and you will learn about it! and dont forget to study about Harems too!
2. Polygamy: I was well aware of the information that you presented here. (i.e. husband needs permission of the first wife, must give equal rights to all his wives etc.). But again you didn’t get my point. The main point is: A man is allowed to have multiple wives at the same time, but a woman is not allowed to have multiple husbands! Why? Equality?
You said: "The difference in tasks is that Man is in fact, created for earning a living while Woman is created to care for the home... "
Miss fattah, I feel sorry for you, that being a 21st century women u still think like this. women are born to do household work?!!..these are all 2000 yr old society concepts. I knw hundreds of women who have achieved much greater than any other man in this world! I believe u have been raised in a family where u have been taught only to Cook, clean & wash toilets. You have been brainwashed, honey! Try to use ur brain a little more than your faith next time.
Dont get me wrong. Im not trying to offend you. Theres no end of learning. But If you want to learn, you have to be liberal. Dont try to defend your faith, instead try to reveal the truth. If you always try to defend your faith, then you will always end up in biased opinion. Just take one suggestion from me (it can change ur life): rather than defending ur faith...try to find flaws in ur belief...then u will understand
Oh...and about 4:a,b,c...I dont think u would be able to provide me any satisfying answer. So forget that.
well, i think u didn't got my points or i didn't, u didn't get into deep of it or i didn't.
let me answer the 4,1bc...
Mohommad(pbuh) married 10 or 11 times not 13 or 14. the some of them i know are;
3)haddth a'isha( daughter of caliph haddth sadeeq(r.a)
who was the daughter of caliph haddth umar farooq(r.a)
5)haddth zenab khazeema
6)haddth zenab jahash; before haddth zed was mohommad(pbuh)'s adopted son but when he become young so prophet cares abt his marriage so he married him with zenab, but 1 day haddth zed was not satisfied by his wife and was goinn to give her divource she was crying alot and prophet cared abt her , prophet Mohommad(pbuh) tried his best to make him happy with her but zed give her divources. Now Prophet was worried abt cuz no one was there to give her hand, so prophet thought to marry with her but he also cares abt the people thta wat they will say that u have married with ur own called son's wife. When zenab completed her days, then prophet Mohommad(pbuh) proposed her, not because he loves her just because he wants to give her hand, zenab says ' i will take advice from ALLAH, i dont know wat is good and wat is bad' so she, atsame time prayed then a ayat camed from Allah, in that ayat ALLAH says that ur marriage has been accepted by ALLAH, zenab was so happy cuz she was goinn to marry with the prophet and u know its a great plessure, not foru people but for us muslims. Rich! haddth zed was prophet's called son not the adopted or real son, he didn't adopted him he just called him as son. In the marriage of zenab and prophet Mohommad(pbuh), that was the time when women was ordered to hide her face including body, cuz in thet time women were so bad as nowadays in europe. So thts the history of marriage of zenab and prophet Mohommad(pbuh).
his other wives r;
7)haddth ume habiba
he married all not tha because he got in love with them but these great women were having some problems, like some were divourced and were not having any hand. And MOHOMMAD(PBUH) married some of them cuz he was impressed by their honesty.
In the c point, i felt ur hate for him, no he didn't won with the weapons he won people by his beautifull words and his honestyy, u must know the story of caliph haddth umar farooq(r.a) who was goinn to kill him but somebody informed him that hs sister has already accepted islam, so first went towards her sister and beated her badly but she was strong in faith and told him watever u want to do, do i will never leave my faith. So he was surprised and got curious that wats written in the Quran he told her to handle it to me but she said first get clean then i'll give u, so he took shower and when he listened surah qosar( or i think tht was another) then he got scared and impressed by it he went towards Mohommad(pbuh) and told him that i m goinn to accept islam, the most important thing he observed that what the people were saying abt him was totally wrong, he observed that Mohommad(pbuh) is a loving man and too much kind even also to his enemiest hen he got the result that,thats the thing from which people are accepting islam
1) Mohommad(pbuh)'s way of talking kindly true.
2) The words of ALLAH.
And remember Mohommad(pbuh), when he fight in any of the war then he had forgived childs and women, in badar, when kuffars prisoner can't give money to get free than prophet says them to study 10 childs of muslims than they will be free, so another point that Islam is never agaisnt of education.
Its not important to copy teh lifestyle of prophet, but if anybody did so he's the most precious for ALLAH and prophet.
Come and live in Saudi Arabia...... The homeland of all the Muslims
The educated minority are ok, the remainder;
Half the people here don't know how to shower, I don't know where the comments come from about being so clean, most only wash their hands, feet and head.... You can smell them coming..
They are no the whole angry, rude and lazy.. They treat other races like excrement... Don't try to drive here the rules don't apply to anyone except the foreigners when an accident happens, saudis are never wrong!
They never que or wait their turn, try to force their way in front of anyone else who is waiting and shout and abuse..
Most of the young people (15-22) I have sat and chated with want to leave and live in the west where they can have a free life!!! Had a great debate with about 10 of them at a family party I went to..
If you are a maid from Indonesia, Philippines, africa etc.. beware, I know so many here that have been raped by their employer but can do nothing about it.. Most are locked in and not allowed to leave, beaten , never paid and treated like slaves.. That is why there are so many runaways.. There are literally thousands of runaways here who have left because of the treatment by their sponsors..
I can honestly say that at least 9 out of 10 of the people here are hypocrites!
They fight because they think they are better and more important than anyone else, they think they have a right to whatever they want, they believe the world owes them a living and never work if they can help it! They spend all their time abusing and ordering around those that are less well off than themselves such as the foreign workers..
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lean man! its just floccinaucinihilipilification, I think now its time to write that sentence that will insult u people alot.
No leave it, i'll not i care abt ur image in people:P
Yea so, what ever u barking there, is totally wrong. I want to tell u a thing that's the most important 4u.
One day at airport, there was a white lady sitting with me, oh! I felt a bad smell, I thought that maybe there could be a bathroom near. I looked around but I couldn't find it, then I thought that maybe the smell is coming from that lady. So, I gotup and moved from there, when I came to another place than there was no smell.
For God sake! u people keep ur self clean while finished from bathrooms, dont use only tissue papers.
Well, i will tell u that sentence when there will be need, leave it now.
hey dont get it so personal.
@ errum fattah
I can counter argue all the things you have said here but that will be such a waste of time...because a clash between mind and heart ends in no where. The things you have said about Mohammad are just another Islamic point of view which is completely biased.
You never met Mohammad, neither did I. All we have some sources of historical information on which we rely to understand his characteristics. I don’t hate him. In fact, I respect him as a leader just like I respect other great humans I have learned about. And from my experience I know that no one is Perfect and above Flaws. Muhammad is no exception to it because he was a human too. He had his flaws. It would be wise to accept those flaws rather than hiding them because today or tomorrow, Muslims are going find out the truth. And what are the truths?
The truth/ facts are:
1. He had 11-14 wives (no matter what explanation or excuse you provide to support him, you wont be able to shut up the free & rational minds)
2. You said“…no he didn't won with the weapons he won people by his beautifull words and his honesty” – honey, this is another biased observation. He couldn’t even win his own people (Meccans, quraish). In fact, he had to flee to Medina for his safety. Meccans converted to Islam, only after his conquest of Mecca. His weapon was more effective than his words. And he had to apply the same method in other instances too. If his words were enough to win the peoples heart then he wouldn’t have fought these wars:-
-War of Badr
-War of Uhad
-Seige of Madinah (War of Trench)
-War of Hunain
In fact, it’s an irony of fate that if you look at Muslim population Map today, you will reveal that the most populated Muslim regions are those which were once conquered and ruled by the Muslims. It’s not the missionaries, nor the beauty of quran, but the Muslim military campaigns that helped to spread Islam. Heres a short list of your peaceful Caliphs & Muslim rulers deeds:
i. Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
ii. Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651
iii. Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–709
iv. Conquest of Sindh: 664–712
v. Conquest of Hispania: 711–718 and Septimania 719–720
vi. Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750
vii. End of the Umayyad conquests: 718–750
viii. Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606
ix. Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902
x. Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360
xi. Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299
Miss fatah, trust me, I have studied Islam much more than you did. I know both the good aspects and bad aspects of Islam. I also know what you can present to counter argue with my statements about Muhammad’s warrior nature. But that won’t be necessary because it won’t satisfy me. You know what, there’s no big difference between a Christian, Muslim or a Jew. Because all of you will continue to support your faith blindly no matter how much someone tries to open your mind. You guys fought over this for last 1500 years and blamed each other for the negative outcomes. You are still doing this.
Your mind is blinded by your faith so much that even if God/Allah himself tells you that he has never communicated with Muhammad/Jesus & he has never sent a prophet, you will still continue to believe in Islam and you will think that Satan is trying to misdirect you.
All Im asking is to open your mind a little. Free urself…Like I said before:
“Theres no end of learning. But if you want to learn, you have to be liberal. It’s not about defending your faith. It’s about understanding the truth. If you always try to defend your faith, then you will always end up in biased opinion…Sometimes try to find flaws in ur faith, only then you can learn”
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@Rishy Rich i appreciate your intentions but ppl are often too much emotionally attached towards religion and so it is normally difficult to discuss...
well, watever u said , its ur right to say it...
am happy with my religion so i dont want ur advice.
U r happy with ur religion and am happy with my religion, we'll see atlast that whose faith is right and whose wrong.
Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to investigate...
Can you really think? ...I didnt realize that you too have a brain
no I dont have brain, I use to think from my hands..
I guessed so U must have lost the power to think with your head ...
lol! its funny
there's an error why the middle one looks like u?
no am not looking in the mirror, . am looking to a picture of an ID which is called RISCHY RICH!
Well...it spells Rishy not Rischy...So I guess ur not looking at my ID
ofcourse i wear burkha, i love to wear it. it makes me beautifull..
It makes u beautiful?!! ...How? Do u hide ur ugly face behind it?
first of all, am not ugly... my point means, it may make me ugly to people but it makes me beautifull to God. God like those women who wear it.
And i feel comfortable in it, cuz am safe from the eyes of men.
Did God call u last night to tell that he likes babes in burkha? .. If he calls again, say 'Hi' from me
respect God...wat u thinking abt him is not right, he says tht the woman who wera burkah will go to heaven they r the perfect muslims.
I'll meet him if i went to heaven, I'll give him ur massage that Rich says "hi" to u, I hope that God gives u heaven and right path, u should be able to give ur massage by urself.
Thanks but the heaven defined in Islam seems a boring place to me...
nobody have seen it, so how can u say that its boring place?
Surely u got bored from girls..?
Well, the one who gets it is the luckiest person and one who didn't is the most unluckiest person...
Heaven seems to b boring place for u than I THINK hell is not boring, will it be perfect 4 u?
nah...im single nd i dont hang around with girls much..its not about girls...Islam described a lot about heaven and that didn't seem interesting to me. Because I think life without challenge, problems & adventures are meant to be dull. The Islamic heaven is just about beautiful gardens, girls, wines and parties. Sounds like Roman orgies to me. I cant just sit there with tasty foods, women & entertainers for ETERNITY . I mean, its OK if I do that for 100 years or may be at max 200 years. But just having sex and food for ETERNITY, with no challenges to overcome, no problem to solve & no adventure to face. Nope, honey. Your heaven is not my type...
ok than best of luck for the place which is keept safe for u..
hope u will enjoy there. well, can u tell me wat type the heaven described in any other religion? u know?
hmm...is it a set up for another argument or do u really want to know? IF u really want to know than I must say it is a too broad topic to discuss here
Anyways, Im trying to give u a little glimpse...the heaven of Abrahamic religions(christianity, judaism, islam) are identicial. They mostly talk about gardens, fruits, fountains, wines etc. ( Since most of these people lived in desserts, gardens & fountains will definitely lure them )
However, Eastern religions( Budhdhism, hinduism, jainism) did not mention any physical heaven. They talk about Karma, Reincarnation & Atma - Mahatma theory.
The Buddhist Afterlife concept is much much more complex & rational theory than the Abrahamic afterlife concept. However, like all other concepts, Budhdhist theory too have its own flaws.
Personally, I don't believe in a physical heaven. The physical heaven, the way it is described in different religions (including Islam), doesn't sound heavenly to me.
Because I believe, "its not the place which will make you feel like heaven, its the people who will live in it..."
Current Human species has many flaws, until or unless we evolve into a better class, we wont be able to live in peace...not even in heaven...
so, u dont belive in heaven, hell, prophets even God...
well, I dont want to say more...just wanna say;
Every design points to a designer, even every needle must have its manufacturer and craftsman. And as you know, every letter must be written by someone. For instance, if you see a ball on which a great design are available; you immediately conclude the existence of a great designer of this ball it would not be logical to claim that it is not sure if there is an intelligent designer of this ball; it might have come into existence by chance or after many coincidences.
I wonder if u dont belive in God. so how stars, moon and sun came itself?
U r assuming too much abt me ...I said I dont believe in a physical heaven but I never said I dont believe in God. The things you have said about the 'design & designer' is a pretty much old concept & has its flaws too. For instance: if your word is right that everything or everyone must have a manufacturer then God must have a manufacturer or designer too (otherwise where did God came from?)!! Then his creator will need another creator & his will need another & this will be a never ending process.
If you say God evolved by himself, then I would say we could have evolved by ourselves as well. If u ask where did the sun, moon & stars came from...I would ask u where did ur God came from? My point is: Its not necessary to have a creator for everything!
Personally I have not reached the final decision about God theory, I'm still working on it. But Im certain about two things :
1) that even If there is a God, he/she has never interfered in our life & never will. because His interference in our lives will imbalance the equilibrium of harmony & at the same time will make him insignificant, biased & irrational.
2) As a creation, Humans are not so special as we think of ourselves. Its human prejudice & biasness that we think we are the best creation of the universe.
I am not having any answer tht where Does GOD CAME FROM? nobody knows the answer except God himself. But i want to say little tht God is not borned, nor will die...he was living, lives and will live. He's awal(the first one), akhir(the last one) .
hmm..God give us life, helped us and did our all works so how can u say tht God didn't interfered in our lives.??
2) oh com'on we are the best creation of this universe, u can see animals, demons, and other creations they dont have good face as humans have. animals can't talk, having inability to manufacture thier own food and unable to express thier feelings but human can do this. We are better frm other creations. I f i tell u through islamic point of view. than u said tht u had studied isalm more thn me than u must know tht Allah had made huiman as his caliph and naib. Its proud for the hommo sapiens tht even angles were ordered to sajjada human(adam)...we r the great creations but not more thn God.
( these things getting in my sense)
Talking with u about Logic is like teaching a children about politics or reality. Children think life is a fantasy world where fairies, dwarfs & magical creatures hang around. No matter how hard u try they never understands politics & real life until they grow up. I dont know when will u grow up...or when religious peoples will...
I do believe that religion, like people, are imperfect and Islam like all other religions have its own flaws and shortcomings, I have to agree that it's quite ironic for a religion of peace to utilize war as a mean to an end but I also understand that diplomacy doesn't work all the time. I think that religion as a whole was created to guide us and like a book it also needs to be "updated".
So to say that Muslims are the only ones fighting is very inaccurate because if you look at the world today, almost everyone is fighting over something, I guess people will always find something to fight over, it could be religion, territory, freedom, ideals and principles
you are right that it's not only mulims that are fighting, but they do seem to be disproportionately given to it.
Personally I tyhink that is because it is part of Islam as it is commonly practiced to all stick together and always protect and defend other muslims, regardless of the context. That means that whenever one group of muslims gets involved in a conflict many more want to get involved on their side regardless of whether they are in the right or if they actually started it. That means that conflict escalates and spreads much more easily when muslims are involved.
I think that the people trying to apply the western cultural to the muslim traditional mindset are going to come up against a brick wall. I personally agree with western morales, but who am I to say another culture is wrong just because I was brought up differently.
The people who argue against muslim culture are the same as those muslims who perform violence in the name of muslim culture. The only difference is that in western culture violence has been demonised to a much greater extent.
The world would be a boring place if everywhere was the same, it is easy for a westerner to look on other cultures and see their flaws, but a woman from an african tribe would be shocked to see that a woman could do something as horrendous as leave her child with another person, and some cultures would denounce a man for washing only once a day.
Cultural perspective causes conflict, and fear, but it also makes the world an interesting and wonderful place to live in. If you have a problem with your own culture - emigrate, if you have aproblem with another countries culture - don't go there.
You can not ignore or forget What is happening and What happened in the muslim society. Till now they are the same. Right from the Arab upto any place they just want blood on the name of Allah and Quran.
If anything happens, they represent these as answers. Today world you have international groups of Muslims,I think all you know who they are and what they are doing. They have only reason why they are doing.......reason is Allah.
hmmmm....so you are hindu....
I would like to tell you "When looking for faults,use mirror not telescope"
What Shiv sena is doing ?
What Mayowadi are doing ?
do you call them HINDU TERRORIST....HA HA HA
COMMON,DON'T FORCE ME TO EXPOSE YOUR PEOPLE ACTS IN FRONT OF EVERYONE....
YOU LISTEN MEDIA,ENJOY LIFE,BUT KEEP UR VIEW IN UR POCKET....
I use to believe Islam and Christians believed in the same God. However with indept study I realized it is not. The Chritian God says to lie is a sin. Islam says it is okay to lie to the infedel or to honor Allah. The Christian God also says it is a sin to murder. Islam says to kill the infedel. Also Allah was originally the name of a moon god. Also Islam is a captive religion; you will die at the hands of others if you leave. I've gotten this information from muslims I know and others I have seen interviewed. One friend of mine says Islam makes life very difficult for them. They are always being observed by others, including famiy memebers. However, the latter can also be related to culture and not religion.
The Chritian God says to lie is a sin. Islam says it is okay to lie to the infedel or to honor Allah. The Christian God also says it is a sin to murder. Islam says to kill the infedel. Also Allah was originally the name of a moon god. Also Islam is a captive religion; you will die at the hands of others if you leave. I've gotten this information from muslims I know and others I have seen interviewed.
You are nothing but a lier....or may be ignorant...
you got this not from muslims,but from Anti-Muslim websites...
common,don't try to show me proof...i know islam much better than you,and i know and read what kind of lie Anti-Muslims lie...
who is that friend....who says Islam makes life difficult...?
Allah not the name of moon God. the information you got is wrong. Allah mean God in Arabic.
Killing those who went astray from Islam it is act of irresponsible person who sadly had crazy way in translating Al Qur'an. it is man in doing this, not Allah who told him too.
The wrongness of those several acts you accused Islam as the caused, is in human mind and in human disabilities to become great Muslim, not in the religion. Al Qur'an already taught well, but it is not Allah who did wrong when people having wrong idea about how to become Muslim. It is in the person only which then grow bigger into big matter when this wrong idea start infecting others.
Check this out, please.
http://hubpages.com/hub/What-Islam-says … y-neighbor
it is Muslim characteristic should be according to Al Qur'an
Plz read this before saying anything i m not trying to convince any onyone http://hubpages.com/hub/humanityandjihad
wow...Interesting discussion going on.....
a slave of Allah is here....
ASK...ME....WHAT EVER YOU WANT.....
WHAT EVER ....!
OK. What does this mean, other than what it says.
Qur’an 5:33: “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and perpetrate mischief [reject Islam or oppose its goals] in the land, is to murder them, to hang them, to mutilate them, or banish them. Such is their disgrace. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.
5 months, one hub and that is on religion! Sockpuppet territory!
don;t worry buddy.....
have patience...you will see more and more....
do you know when ur given verses was revealed to prophet...if not,then first try to know that....and indeed you will find it right...
bytheway...Tell me one thing...very honestly...and i believe you are a man...a man ...real man...
First Question ????
What you will do.if few group of peoples throw you out of ur home,hurt you badly physically...even troubling your family .mother ...wife,daughter...throwing them out of out of ur home....and there is no one to help you.
What you will do....you pack ur bag and baggage and leave the place or will fight ? and try to protect your family ????
2nd Question ???
What are the order given to Soliders in staying in Afganistan ????
To go and have coffee with terrorist....????
Pls,just answer what i asked ! nothing more...
This means ...
That the above, Translation, of a Verse of Quran's 5:33, requires, that it be read within the Context, of the Stated.
The Context is, the preceding referred verse of Quran ... There are two Verses, one about the Regret of Caine, upon failing to undestand, the Cows poitation of how to bury his brother,
With the thousands of hate verses in the quoran and bible it makes little difference with or without context.
Every single argument against the hate splurged all through these tomes seems to be denied through context. A weak cop-out in my view!
Yes, with the Quran, or the Bible, or any other holy book, it's all about the "context" of the scripture. We need not read the words in front of us to see its meaning as that is buried in "context" - as if, context was so important as to give clear distinction between killing someone and embracing them as your brother.
Abel, he had murdered, in mischief, 5:31 ... then the next verse, i.e. 5:32, giving the Why, of such Severe Punishments ... In the State :
"For this [reason] We prescribed, for the children of Israel ... whoever, kills a person, unless such be for Manslaughter, or creating mischief in the land ... it will be [deemed] as if he had killed all humankind.
And, whoever saves a life, is as though he had saved the lives of all humans.
And certainly, our messengers came to them, with clear arguments ... but, even after that, many of them commit excesses, in the land ... "
The referred, Verse 5:33 then follows the two [i.e. 31 and 32].
What I am trying you to understand is ... That these out of Context Translations, essentially aim at generating Interfaith Hatreds. o pick up our Book, and always read the Context, before making a judgment.
the 'o pick up... ' is my typing error ... please read it as ... 'So pick up our Book [Al Quran] ...
Okay, First off, I will say that I believe in Jesus as Saviour, but if you think Muslims are the only violent people out there, look again. Crusades: Started by "Christians" not the Muslims. I Read both my Bible and The Qur'an daily (I have a Qur'an app on my phone) and, historically speaking, muslims have a history of Non-confrontation that precedes Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.
And The Bible is an even more "Hate filled tome": All the residents of Canaan must be put to death? Stone a witch? Oh, that's old testament. How About 1st epistle of John, chapter 2, where we are taught to hate the world?
By definition, I am a Christian. I believe that it is only through Jesus that salvation is brought. But I refuse to call myself a Christian, because I don't believe that bombing abortion clinics or beating up gays (Like a certain pastor in Michigan) will bring salvation.
If you want to call yourself a christian, I'd re-read the gospels and pay attention to the teachings of Jesus first. Then take a long look at a mirror. For people who talk about the muslims being a religion based on hate, it is the christians in this thread that are spewing hateful messages.
And to all the muslims in this thread, I am one "Christian" who does not condemn you. God Bless all.
And to earnestshubs: the Old and New testaments say what they say. But many Christians put it in a hateful violent context. Your argument as well, is weak at best.
I sincerely doubt that you have read my posts. In fact I am beginning to believe that you read as well as you spell and construct sentences.
What is weak is your defence of your hate filled tomes with that hoary old "It's taken out of context" argument.
What context do you think hate and threats should be taken in, and how can you take reams of hate as meaning other than the words written?
//In fact I am beginning to believe that you read as well as you spell and construct sentences....//
i didn;t knew i have these skills tooo...thank for telling me...
nothing is taken out....i;m not going to say that....
there is a reason why something is said....
yes,there is other meaning and reasons for everything...
saying i love u to mother,and wife...both have different meanings...
love for mother is different and for wife is different...
infact....you think you are very smart and have knowledge of everything,and what ever you know is correct.and what ever others know is lie or fake...
Please visit this hub and learn more about JIHAD....
What Actually JIHAD is....!
http://hubpages.com/hub/What-is-Jihad-I … Christians
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