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who is god?

  1. pisean282311 profile image58
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    what is god according to you..you may belong to any faith or agnostic or atheist...what does it come to your mind when god word is uttered...

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am a Wiccan. I believe there is a Goddess and a God. I believe that they are part of everyone and everything, as well as part of each other.

      1. Rod Marsden profile image86
        Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Wiccans tends to see nature as having great importance and don't tend to put themselves above nature but fit in as much as it is possible with the natural world. It seems like a pretty good way to live.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      god is a word, a title.
      the expression of a god is idol selfishness.
      the Creator is not a god, He is everything.

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      danielgroothposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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      1. pisean282311 profile image58
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        now what has tea review to do with the topic , my friend??

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          SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          danielgrooth wrote:
          God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. He is the supreme power that governs all over us. He is the creator of this universe. We must worship him.
          http://www.articlesbase.com/health-arti … 24982.html
          ___________________________________________________________

          now what has tea review to do with the topic , my friend??

          ____________________________________________________________

          lol I think your friend disppeared. lol

          1. pisean282311 profile image58
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            guess he went to review tea :-)...on serious notes his views are always invited and his article base writeup is also welcomed provided it has anything to do with topic...isn't it?

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              SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Self Promotion in forums is against the TOS whether on topic or off topic unless someone asks for a link and it relates to the discussion at hand.

              At least that is what I think it is.

              1. pisean282311 profile image58
                pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                alright got it...i thought if this guy links something related to the forum topic it should be ok..but i guess you are right...

    4. Mr Nice profile image68
      Mr Niceposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ~ God can never be a definition.  He is more than even the entirety of the dictionary.  ~Scarlett Bene

    5. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A shift in responsibility and lack of accountability to the third person.  smile

      1. packerpack profile image60
        packerpackposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Short and simple but absolutely correct!! When u don't wanna take the responsibility then leave it to someone/something called god.
        God is just a name given to ones inability; you could not do something, blame it on god, "It was god's will".

    6. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No, not WHO is god, "WHAT is god?"
      Define "it" factually!
      The bible doesn't do that in a form other than opinion.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        just in case you missed my posting:

        god is a word, a title.
        the expression of a god is idol selfishness.
        the Creator is not a god, He is everything.

      2. Ashmi profile image60
        Ashmiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Aren't all definitions opinion?

    7. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



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    8. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A disappointment, frankly

    9. goldenpath profile image83
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The Author of exaltation and perfection, the Designer and Upholder of all freedom and agency, the Tangible Perfected One who's arms we long to enter.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend pisean282311

      The Creator- God Allah YHWH has introduced Himself in the very first chapter of the Quran in this way:

      The Holy Quran : Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah الفَاتِحَة

      [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
      [1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
      [1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
      [1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
      [1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
      [1:6] Guide us in the right path —
      [1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=1

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Unfortunately the vast majority of the world's population do not believe in the Qur'an, so quoting it does not have much relevance for most of us

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend AdsenseStrategies

          But the OP has asked us as to how we feel about God; the verses mention about God Allah YHWH and we perceive Him like that; as soon as we perceive Him like that; we ask him the things we need most. We aks Him in the words He has taught us; and we ask Him in our own language als as do we wish. I was sharing it like the OP had desired.

          The OP is addressed to everybody and we could discuss about Him; all of us.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
            Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You SPAM so hard, Hawaii has changed their minds about the delicacy that was originally known as "Spam" meat.  big_smile

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If you can tell me the true origin of the use of the word "spam" to mean unwanted mail, I'll let you off wink

              1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Are you stupid, just curious?  Spam is a classic delicacy in Hawaii - check on war history.  Dang, you people suppose to be getting smarter to me........I mean really, do I have to drink anti-freeze for you guys to seem normal and/or semi-intelligent?

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this
                  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic)#Origin_of_the_term

                  2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                    Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Okay, I made it 30 seconds into that video before realizing I'm back in Kindergarten - while talking to y'all primitive folks of lower forms of awareness.  Ha-ha!

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                Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It wasn't me who brought up the term spam. I wasn't saying his remarks were spam. I was responding to his calling my remarks spam (and not angrily at that. In fact I was trying to inject a little humour into the whole dialogue -- but never mind...) I didn't even know the term spam could be used outside of email.

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                    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I apologize. I was wrong. I thought you were responding to someone else.
                    Again I apologize and I deleted my remark to you.

          2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Fair enough

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks

          3. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
            Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You've got problems; seriously......

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            Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, the question was for all and you have as much right to express yourself as anyone.
            Those without love don't know God.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you

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                Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I feel bad about this. You show more love and forgiveness then anyone here.

                1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                  Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL!

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                    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    ?????

            2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Oooh. Eek. I don't seem to be able to stop myself responding to this, even though we just made up wink...

              Is it that simple?

              Or, to add another question, Can you be loving without knowing God? (You can, really, trust me)

              1. mythbuster profile image85
                mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                This little exchange ROCKS...

                Really.

                It does.

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                Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, you can be loving without knowing God.

                I can understand people mirroring back when people are rude to them, but I have only witnessed patience from Paarsurrey.

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  That's very true.

                  Glad you believe that atheists, agnostics and humanists are capable of love wink.

                  Who called you a sorceress? Was it because of your belief in the Kabbalah?

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                    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes about the Kabbalah. It's because they don't know what it's all about. You know "If it's not of the Christian faith, it must be Demonic"

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          crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That actually isn't true, Islam is the second most predominant religion in the world, second only to Christianity.  Furthermore, Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions and have a lot more in common than most know.  Before Islam, save for the small minority who were monotheistic, Arabic religion was polytheist.  In fact the access mundi of Islam (Mecca) denied Muhammad's assertions that there is only one God, and he fled to Medina where Islam was born.  In fact Islam (Muhammad's original Islam - not to be mistaken with fundamentalist Islam) is the only monotheistic religion that accepts the existence of other faiths as legitimate.  Islam states that God's prophet's (Islam accepts Abraham and Jesus as legitimate prophets, though denies Christ's claim as the son of God) appear to different groups of people at different points in history to proclaim His revelations to the people who will listen.  In history conquered countries under Islamic rule were permitted to continue to practice their faith, and mosques have even been lent to Christians to worship in because "it is a place of God like all others."   Christians cannot claim the same, if anything Christianity is the faith spread by the sword.  Islam was also way ahead of its time in rights for women.  It is the most misunderstood religion in existence, and it is almost entirely due to purposeful ignorance.

          And in my personal opinion your response AdsenseStrategies to paarsurrey was entirely uncalled for.  If you knew anything about Islam at all, you would have know the Fatihah is an extremely important proclamation of faith in Islam and as such merely answers the question posed in a manner true to paarsurrey's convinction in his religion.

          1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It was uncalled for. That is true. On the other hand, he is not exactly shy about his opinion of atheistic skepticism (he seems to think that atheism and skepticism are identical). What he says about this point of view comes close to insulting at times. Nevertheless, I concede that this particular thread is more one asking for people's opinions.

            (But for the record, I do know more than nothing about Islam, as I came close to converting to Islam, and did so via much contact with Muslims from a varity of backgrounds. I know, for example, that only the Arabic version of the Qur'an is considered trustworthy. But the truth is that you enter a cyber-community taking your life in your hands, and this site in particular is full of people ready to cut religion down at the first opportunity. He knows that, and can clearly deal with it, as he has stuck around till now without a problem. Best wishes to you, either way.)

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              crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I can't argue with that wink.  I haven't read any of his other posts, for some reason I'm just really passionate about setting the record straight about Islam even though I'm not at all a Muslim lol

              As an aside, I submit that any open discussion on religion is bound to go off on unnecessary tangents.

              1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I also went through (a very long... years long) phase of defending Islam at every turn. But frankly, I'm over it. 99 percent of Muslims are perfectly normal people, law-abiding, and all the rest of it. But I strongly suspect the Qur'an is no less full of awfulness and atrocities than the Bible, even if real life Muslims, Christians, and Jews are generally sane, sensible individuals.

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                  crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I've read all three, the Torah, the Bible, and the Qu'ran (though grant you not in Hebrew/Arabic), and to be honest they all are more or less equivalent as far as awfulness and atrocities go.  The Qu'ran is often interpreted as more violent because the message is a surrender to God contrary to the Christian God's love for His children - but in the end, no matter which religion you refer to "God save us from those who think they are doing God's work."

                  1. mythbuster profile image85
                    mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    If you study these three collections of works of scripture, can it be said that some of the conflicts between/contradictions between narratives and such are "perspectives," not "rights or wrongs"?

                    I'm only very familiar with one collection of works, but am working on learning how to respectfully read from works other than the Christian Bible.

                    I'm not seeing as many differences as most people tell me there are - even just within the Christian scriptures... just different perspectives, some terminology differences. And I'm stopping at every opportunity to check on word/translation issues. Man oh man, a lot of words from other cultures cannot be sufficiently translated into English and still retain their best meaning.

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              Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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              1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes. I just conceded that in the first line of the comment you are responding to here.

                1. mega1 profile image81
                  mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Adsense, youall git back in here and finish yo supper!

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                  Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I deleted that remark too...sorry.

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    S'all good, we're all human wink

              2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Can you?

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                crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                EDIT -> original post obsolete so....

                SMILE! lol

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                  Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I never said he was less of a person either.
                  Also I have apologized to him for it. I can admit when I am wrong. It was all a mistake on my part. .

                  What does what I said have to do with you calling someone out. Do you feel I took your lead? To be honest until you replied to me, I hadn't read anything you said.

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I had thought that your comment was in response to what I wrote in response to AdsenseStrategies, not to what AdsenseStrategies wrote.  I apologize for the misunderstanding.

                    I should have pressed "this" -> with so many cascading posts, it is really hard to keep track of who is talking to whom!

                2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                  Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Don't be so timid...

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    lol, I deleted it only because the post I responded to had been deleted so my post no longer made any sense

                3. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I've thrown a few insults in my time, believe me. I suspect more shall follow in the days ahead. Probably not deserved, usually. But I must say that most people who hang around here know what they might be letting themselves in for.

                  Doing it senselessly, though, where it has no bearing on a point you are trying to make, is simply out of the bounds of the etiquette of debate, if you ask me (just imo, y'know). And certainly stalking people is dangerous... for the one doing the stalking. Sending people emails behind the scenes comes dangerously close to criminal behaviour...

                  And I've always considered Hub comments off limits. I think that's also how most other people around here operate also.

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              crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              As a response to the side note you added in brackets as an edit... I apologize that I assumed you didn't know anything about Islam.

              It is actually quite common for people to convert to Islam, Muhammad's Islam is quite a peaceful religion with a very accepting message.  Unfortunately, these days the Islam in many places is far from what it was meant to be.

              1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I couldn't bring myself to believe in God as such in the end. This proved a bit of a problem...

                1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                  Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, you seem to be...  You have no answers as usual, but what's new?

                  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    roll

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" - Socrates wink

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                  crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  lol, yes that would

                  I personally find myself wanting to, but having a difficult time making that step where I am 100% convicted to a belief in God.  I don't think I'll ever get there.  I'm Buddhist by religion, agnostic by faith -> I don't know, and will never know the answer.  I don't think humans have the capacity to understand it anyways.

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi friend crmhaske

                    I understand that Buddha also believed in the Creator- God Allah YHWH; so you are with him to that extent.

                    i love Jesus, Moses, Krishna and Buddha; the truthful Messengers Prophets of the creator.

                    Thanks

                    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                  2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I certainly had a crack at Buddhism too. I am still mulling that one over. But either way, Buddhism is more of a practice to me than a religion. I'm never going to believe some of the things they believe about the cosmos, no matter what.

                3. mythbuster profile image85
                  mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Adsense Strategies,

                  For what length of time did you spend immersed in this other religion? It must have been hard on you if you spent any significant length of time learning traditions that you later felt you could not accept.

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I've actually personally done the same thing, explored the various religions - what they meant to others, and what they could mean to me.  In fact, I've written a paper on my religious exploration.  I think I will post it as a hub.

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Adsense Strategies, I am also curious to know the same thing mythbuster asks - what other religious have you explored?

                  3. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Islam wasn't a problem for me actually. I found that Muslims were marvellously tolerant and moderate, and their religion extremely simple to believe in...

                    ... My biggest problems came through a five year experience with evangelical Christians. The Muslims I knew never once suggested I push myself, change my behaviour, or feel bad about my natural impulses... their attitude was that God would guide me into the right path in due course...

                    ...Among the evangelicals there was much more pressure of various kinds, and I am not sure I ever really recovered...

          2. mythbuster profile image85
            mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I like this clarification. Thx for posting.

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              crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you smile.  I just finished writing today the final exam for my The Study of Religions course; I was excited at the opportunity to share what I learned.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend crmhaske

            I appreciate and thank you for your above good post.

            Regards

    11. aguasilver profile image87
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      My Wonderful Counsellor

      My Teacher, Reminder, Revealer

      My Healer, My Strengthener

      Repairer, Refiner

      My Jesus, My Saviour

      My wonderful God

      Forerunner and Finisher

      My Conqueror, Deliverer, Restorer

      My Hammer, My Fire

      Uniter, Redeemer

      My Jesus, My Saviour

      My wonderful God

      Creator, Defender

      My Maker, Instructor, Commander

      My Warrior, My Shelter

      My Helper, My Leader

      My Jesus, My Saviour

      My wonderful God

      My Shepherd, My Gatherer

      Refresher, Rewarder, Protector

      Inspirer, Provider

      My Portion, Forever

      My Jesus, My Saviour

      With thanks to Godfrey Birtill 2005 © Thankyou Music

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      crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      My faith lays at the intersection point of Mahayana Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism.  I believe in a creator, but not as a parent figure as in Christianity or a dominating figure as in Islam.  I believe the only thing that separates us from the "creator" is maya (illusion).  In that sense I believe that our "soul" and God are the same thing.  All souls are part of the same ultimate reality.  There is only one goal and that is nibbana, liberation from the cycle of birth, death and rebirth.  We cannot take ownership to the bodies, once the body dies our soul moves on to either complete reintegration with the Tao or returns to a world (not necessarily this one) if it has “unfinished business” to attend to.  If one dies with any hint of desire left they will be reborn to satisfy it.  If one however passes on unattached to the materialism in this world, to the experience of pleasure and pain as separate entities they achieve nibbana, there is no reason for their return in a physical body.  It is through maya, illusion, that our bodies are connected to our minds.  It is because of maya that our minds are constricted to the laws of nature in this world.  Our lives are a cosmic show put on by God.  Because of maya it is necessary for us to experience pleasure and pain, to be restricted to these laws of nature.  If we did not, it would be like going to see a movie in which nothing happens.  Illusion is important for the soul to grow, to experience.  Reintegration with the Tao would be instantaneous at the conception of the Self if God had not surrounded it with maya.

      To summarize I believe in one transcendental consciousness that has always existed without beginning or end, that we are a part of.  We are unaware of this ultimate self because of illusion.  So long as we remain attached to worldly pleasures our soul's return in a new body until we no longer have material needs to fulfill.  At this point our soul's have full matured, and so they reintegrate into the transcendental consciousness.

      1. mythbuster profile image85
        mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I appreciate that you've made your "tradition"/perspective known here and that you've made efforts to qualify your statements with "I believe that," and similar personal ownership of your beliefs - instead of declaring "this is right" and "this is wrong" and "God says" or "this is the way it is."

        I can understand the statements of others who hold other beliefs than I do, and also respect those beliefs when they're put forth in this way.

        Thx.

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          crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm of the opinion that homo sapiens lack the mental capacity to truly comprehend human nature, and the human condition.  I believe that we do not presently know the answer, and in our present state cannot know it.  Not that I claim that we never will.  We may.  We may also be the cause of our own extinction or we may evolve a new mental capacity different than the one prevailing.

          My beliefs are constantly evolving, but never will I claim to have the answer.  And if I do not know that I am right, I may be wrong.  And if I may be wrong, who am I to say someone else is wrong.

          4^2 = 16, but only in base 10

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        crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wanted to add to this that I make no assertions about what that transcendental consciousness is and whether it is aware of its own existence.  Where I am today, I believe it to be some form of energy that is unaware of its own existence, and that self awareness is the result of the reality in which we exist.  Also, when I assert that I believe in a "creator" I am not making the assertion that it is aware that it has created anything.  I do not believe in a theistic creator.

    13. acts38-39 profile image60
      acts38-39posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Who is God? The Bible says in Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God
      created the heavens and the earth.  Verse 2 The earth was without
      form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the
      Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.   God is a Spirit.
      And in John 4:24 says God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must
      worship in spirit and truth.

    14. britneydavidson profile image61
      britneydavidsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We can assume God as per our beliefs and what our ancestors told us and whatever we have read in book but real answer knows by God only and he himself come to earth by any medium and give his real indentity that he is supreme of all --father of all religion and one God --he is incorporeal!

      1. Rishy Rich profile image79
        Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        eh...do u want me to start again roll

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend britneydavidson

        You mean Creator- God Allah YHWH; you obviously cannot mean Jesus as he never created anything; everything remained as before like in the time of Moses.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    15. Andrew0208 profile image61
      Andrew0208posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      @poster, God is a Spirit. Who is God to you?

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend Andrew0208

        God is not a spirit; all spirits are His creation. God is only attributive; He is known from the manifestation of his attributes.

        There is no God but the Creator- God Allah YHWH; the reason as also the Revelation confirms it:

        [3:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
        [3:2] Alif Lam Mim.
        [3:3] Allah is He beside Whom there is no God, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining.
        [3:4] He has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel
        [3:5] Before this, as a guidance to the people; and He has sent down the Discrimination. Surely, those who deny the Signs of Allah shall have a severe punishment. And Allah is Mighty, Possessor of the power to requite.
        [3:6] Surely, nothing in the earth or in the heaven is hidden from Allah.
        [3:7] He it is Who fashions you in the wombs as He wills; there is no God but He, the Mighty, the Wise.
        [3:8] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book; in it there are verses that are decisive in meaning — they are the basis of the Book — and there are others that are susceptible of different interpretations. But those in whose hearts is perversity pursue such thereof as are susceptible of different interpretations, seeking discord and seeking wrong interpretation of it. And none knows its right interpretation except Allah and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge; they say, ‘We believe in it; the whole is from our Lord.’ — And none heed except those gifted with understanding. —

        http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=3

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    16. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Somebody did ask God that same question.
      He answerd;"I AM  (you fill in anything that ya want to! that is what I am)"

    17. nikki1 profile image61
      nikki1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He created our beautiful earth and the beauty in it. He created our breathe taking beautiful days. Churches,. The list goes on. I personally believe in God and his son Jesus. He did for us. Jesus died on the cross for us. Forgave the people who put him on the cross. Its sad there people who do not believe in God and Jesus. After he died for them.

      1. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's a lot sadder that people don't believe in the invisible pink unicorn living in my basement, it saved all of mankind from a global catastrophe and no one even noticed.  smile

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I know! See it all the time! A total lack of appreciation in my view! smile

    18. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God


      Who is god?
      He, she and it is god. God is, has, was, will.

      Where is god?
      Everywhere is god, nowhere is god.

      What sort of a thing is god?
      Everything is god.
      God is love, god is the light.

      When does god come?
      When the madness stops, when death becomes.

      How do I see god?
      With your eyes closed and with your eyes open.

      What have I to do with god?
      You are his creation, you are a part of him.

      When do I see, meet god?
      Whenever you really decide to,
      When you want nothing.

      1. nikki1 profile image61
        nikki1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Correction.. God is a he. God made Adam in his image. Its also insulting that God and his son gets mocked so much. He died
        for us. With all jokes aside. He made our beautiful world.

    19. JulesGerome profile image62
      JulesGeromeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God is Everything. I believe in God. No Christian,Muslim or Jewish God. Just God.

  2. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Imaginary entity which can modify (space, time, matter) in a such way that it's existence is under question and religion/religious people making wild wet claims without even knowing contradiction to their claims.

    My personal agnostic opinion(feel free to disagree), if such entity exist then that entity gives rats a** to what it creates and destroys. It just entertains itself by creating, maintaining and destroying.No emotions, no complete-intelligence and no ignorance.That entity has no control over universe as it formed when universe expanded so even that entity is short of answers related to universe.

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Its too intelligent , try to understand n entity which can make, preserve  and destroy galaxies.Man doesn't posses the intelligence to understand God in Totality,God is all the brains,intelligence  in the entire universe put together

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If god is all that mohit, and the bible or quoran are his word, why is he depicted as a psychopathic, neurotic, childish, arrogant, jealous, bone stupid contradictory entity that is, on top of that invisible? smile

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The Quran and Bible are too threating and I dont believe Muhammad  was instrumental for such stuff but was added later on by fundamentalist to propagate their religion.
          I agree with you on this, its sad actually the description of god gets totally screwed.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend mohitmisra

            Quran mentions everything on its proper occasion; please mentione the text of the verse with the context where it is not appropriate. Quran mentions the claims and the reasons; a pecularity which does not exist in other revealed books.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

            1. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Its too threatening so much of the Quran is just threats.

  3. Suspect20 profile image83
    Suspect20posted 6 years ago

    I was raised by a mother who wanted to expose me to the faith she had, but never tried to force anything on me.  I consider myself lucky in this regard, because there are a lot of kids who are force fed a certain set of ideals and never allowed to think for themselves, or even be told of the existence of other popular beliefs.

    I don't judge or think any singular faith has all the answers, and I am always open to new ideas and ways of looking at things.  The only problem I have, or take offense to, are those who limit the information their children have access to, and instead try to force their own ideas rather than granting them the free choice and exposure to all views that they themselves had.

    Personally I think it is naieve and close minded for any one faith to assume they have all the answers.  A higher power, order to the universe, God, or Gods, have been around as long as recorded history.  To say "you all had it wrong, this one view is right, and any variation of it can not even be considered" seems almost impossible to be accurate as far as I'm concerned.

    I am very open to the idea of a "god" or designer behind our universe.  I don't personally feel the need to put a name to this force or say it must fall within a certain set of ideals.  I am not sure if that makes me an atheist, agnostic, or other.  I consider myself spiritual, I think there is a guiding force, but not religious; I don't follow a set of stone etched principles.

  4. pisean282311 profile image58
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    interesting answers...

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    ralwusposted 6 years ago

    My Boregard is god. He is a basset hound. Dog spelled in reverse . . .

  6. luvpassion profile image60
    luvpassionposted 6 years ago

    Who is God? A question unanswered by theologians and religion. Who is God to you? A question of faith.

  7. Rishy Rich profile image79
    Rishy Richposted 6 years ago

    Ask me 1 million years later...

    1. mythbuster profile image85
      mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Can you leave a forwarding address when you exit the uhhhh you know? When you pass on... so we can contact you?

      j/k

      1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
        Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You'll be there soon enough, so why should you care?

  8. TLMinut profile image60
    TLMinutposted 6 years ago

    Fine, 21, we see it but there's nothing to hold onto in that post. Yes, "god" is a title. But what are you trying to convey with that second line? That anyone expressing an idea of God is creating an idol? That anything God expresses is selfishness or somehow idolatry? I can't make any sense of your words. Clarify?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi TLMinut,
      the use of the term G/god implies B/baal which there is much in there to discuss. The use of that term dilutes the fullness of Creator, since He is universe and more.

      I would say yes, the second form implies idolatry, in any measure or use of the term. Since it is easy to apply to anything which humans adapt to, latch onto or worship in one respect or another as a crutch, handicap,prosthetic -mind or body- to support their personal ideology or perspective -which by all points is an idol. The use of the word G/god in script suggests men requiring a title to understand who 'I AM' is, in order to adapt Him to their mode of thinking or need v. being one in Creator.

      Take for example the Hebrew list of Names/Expressions for Him.
      For each instance of their necessity, formed a name/expression to suit it.

      1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
        Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, they all suck off the same straw...

      2. mythbuster profile image85
        mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        From what tradition does this explanation come from?

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    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

    He is our Heavenly Father, our creator and the creator of our universe. He is also the father of our Savior, Jesus Christ. This was clearly stated by Jesus when he said,"The only way to the Father is through me."

    1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
      Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Nice book quotes; cool man.  Hell, it would not hurt to come up with something original, at times...ya know?

  10. cupid51 profile image50
    cupid51posted 6 years ago

    I really don't know. I have seen the same discussion in the forum. But ultimately there was no answer. Has anybody the right answer of this question?

    1. TLMinut profile image60
      TLMinutposted 6 years ago

      But that leaves one with only the option of never talking about (...) at all. Perhaps it can be argued that (...) is to be experienced and shown but people need to talk. As long as I 'disconnect' myself, I can discuss, argue, consider; other than that, there are no words.

      This may be why no images were allowed to the Israelites, nothing but dissension comes from it. Just like the Jesus is God and what did he look like arguments.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I concur.

        The rule not to make any image (very key word) of any likeness of any thing above, below, between -not only in regard to creatures- but also Creator supports this.

        Division comes, religion stems, etc. from idols.
        I once told someone an idol (not necessarily as statue) puts a shadow between He and humans -when at one time He walked with humans. The total connection between C/c. Very different from the world view of Him from either side of the yea/nay.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          This nonsense is the root of the problem.

          a Give him a name - as you have just done and make him a Person - as you have just done - and you make religion and cause division. wink

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Good of you to join us, Mark, I was just thinking of you.
            Btw, that post does not suggest me offering up a title as a person, since your minds eye appears to project that. Division is the Ism (included but not limited to) theology, science, Haight Ashbury, Mickey Mouse, Kahlil Gibran, The Minnesota Twins, Scotch Tape and even the mighty "Imagine" theory.

            I do appreciate the compliment, as always. big_smile

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              LOL

              Sure - calling Him Him does not suggest that at all....;.

              Dear me. Defend the ISM that ISNT!  big_smile

      2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
        Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        LOL!  Ha-ha!  big_smile

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      This is one of my arguments about the NTK (need to know) aka consciousness, if you accept the adamic inception; suggests a two-minded entity, divided against himself, now completely at a lose from his original stasis with Creator. The spiral down not only put a huge wedge between them but caused eons of damage to himself and others. That image was an idol. Knowledge the idol.
      Without 'thinking about it' at one point, humans were in perfect totality with Him, lacking nothing.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

      The word God is used to outwardly express the Brightness beyond any brightness of which we can conceive. God is used in representing the Unmanifested, the Unknowable and the Absolute.

      God is the macrocosm. The physical manifestation of God is the entire universe composed of planets, solar systems, galaxies and outer space. This is the macrocosm.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        indeed. Anything beyond the word of his power is unknown, i agree. As the universe alone was framed by the words of his mouth.
        The rest of is beyond any human consideration.

        well said.

      2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
        Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, Deb; praise be the "hall monitor."

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Gee, if only your closed mind could actually grasp what I said.
          Are you lumping me with the Christians? Because your choice of the word "praise" isn't used by me.

          Please explain to me what I said and what I meant....go ahead.

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Forget it ! LOL
            He's only a child trying to sound smart ! lol

            1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
              Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Tantrum is a moron, trying to assume my intellect and apparently, my age!  I could run circles around your mentally challenged self, and you know that!  LOL!  Poor thang, ya!  big_smile  Go ahead and report me, but "HELLO HUBPAGES" follow the 'before & after'...  Deb is notorious for her behavior, and Tantrum is just plain stupid!

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I find you're too funny to report. I will miss the laughs !!
                lol lol lol

                1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                  Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You're just plain weak.  Anyway, I have my reasons, as I stated below:

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    lol
                    Well I think I will report you then, as you're so willing ! big_smile

                    1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                      Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Are you that shallow?  I'll be back, ya know...  yikes

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                Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                My behavior? You mean when I am attacked and I give it back?

                You get angry enough at Tantrum to call her a moron and stupid..but when people say I am a sorceress and I have demons, that I'm a moron and many other names, I can't fight back? How fair is your thinking?

                Are you saying you are too precious and don't have to take it but I do?

                Wow what a strange and unfair way of thinking.

                1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                  Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I have my reasons, as stated below:

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                    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    But you don't feel I had reasons?
                    That's because it was me. What would you care about how someone treats me...

                    1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                      Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Not true; I would never report you - fact!

            2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
              Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You'll ban me anyway, so go fu*k yourself!!!  I'm not like you, but if I was, I'd hope HubPages looks at all of your stupid, moronic, asinine, erroneous posts of utter dino-dung that represented your forum history of asininity!  ......How lame & weak, to say the least!

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                Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Wow brutal and yet you said something about "My Behavior"

                Everyone indicated I should take insults, threats and name calling from others..yet the people saying these things were acting the same way but in extreme.

                1. mythbuster profile image85
                  mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I did this... I am part of "Everyone" from some recent postings.

                  Let me think on this Deborah Sexton.

              2. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol lol
                You're too funny !
                I'm still waiting for more of your funny comments on my hubs !!
                lol lol

                1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                  Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh shit, you got hubs?
                  If I get pissed, I'll come see ya hubs.  But, you'll probably be like some of the other lame asses and delete my comments because you are too chicken shit to reply; I've even had that from so-called "staff members" and even from some so-called  "Hub Elite Folks" before.  People just don't run from me for no reason, it's just that many of y'all challenged "peeps" are a bunch of fluffy wussies....

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Your comment is there, on my hub. And some people have been laughing at it just like me ! lol lol lol

                    1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                      Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Must be an imposter; what hub?

                    2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                      Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I just looked at ALL your hubs; I've never commented on anything of yours; that's for sure!

                  2. mega1 profile image81
                    mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    fluffy wussies who say peep peep peeps!  hahaha!  I guess I don't resemble a fluffy wussie, but then, maybe I would like to be a fluffy wussie - hmmmmmmm  (pondering fluffy in juxtaposition to wussie)  neutral

                    1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                      Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Please, we have enough asininity at hand...  neutral

          2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
            Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Nope, you have banned me before; but not this time, Deb - Tantrum can do that!

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              Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Why do you insist on calling me Deb? Only my family and friends can use nicknames with me. My name is Deborah..

              When did I get you banned? Hubpages told you this?
              If so, please send me a copy of the email.

              I would appreciate it.

              I wanted you to tell me of your understanding of what I said. You indicated you disagreed (not in those words)

              1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                HubPages sent me a copy; yes they did!
                In fact, I think your husband reported me!
                I call you Deb, but I'm only being casual; nothing more.

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                  Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh, maybe. He didn't say anything about it to me.
                  He is protective.

                  1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                    Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    This is very possible...

              2. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
                Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Okay, here is the copy:

                You were banned from the HubPages forums for a period of 7 days for the personal attack in this post:

                http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/38190#post893180

                These are the rules: http://hubpages.com/help/forum_rules



                On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Obscurely Diverse (via HubPages) <email@hubpages.com> wrote:

                I would like to know 'exactly' why I'm "not allowed to post" comments in your forums. I totally understand the circumstance of something we like to call a debate, but I have not "attacked" anyone, but yet, I seem to not be allowed to post comments anymore.

                I'm not easily duped, and I did recently call someone out (and they admitted that I was right) that was merely using HubPages as a reason to exploit the forums to merely take up for their wife! This particular "individual" also stated that they had no interest in writing hubs, but was sure to stir up trouble in the forums, hence the reason me and probably a few others got banned. I find it interesting, that shortly after, while debunking this oddity of forum madness, that I, in return, got banned in the process!

                I haven't officially recieved an e-mail yet, but it clearly states that I'm not allowed to post in the forums - after I send a message.

                I'm not trying to sound condescending, but it is not right for some lame, un-educated individual to have the right to ban/report/flag someone just because they are intimidated by my quick wits or useful knowledge.

                Don't get me wrong, I really like HubPages! See, that's my problem; if I didn't, I wouldn't care. I'm telling ya, it is not fair for these "unqualified" individuals to have this much say in who "attacks" who. A forum equals a debate that isn't always politically correct, but many of the ones who argue against others...actually become fans later - trust me, it has happened.

                My presence in the forums is as needed as the questions I answer, the hubs I write, et cetera. Just like most others, we "all" take part in this wonderful community @ HubPages, and I really think the forum rules need to bend a little further.

                If all else, please prove why I should be banned or "what" I actually so-called "attacked" because without me knowing, I'll just make the same mistake again, and again.

                I really don't think I did anything wrong and I simply want to know what it is, that a person has to abide by, just to be able to even speak freely on HubPages' forums, nowadays?

                Thanks in advance,

                O.D.

    4. putukarya profile image60
      putukaryaposted 6 years ago

      God is intangible ... but we believe it ... because with trust, we hope that our life is filled with love and kindness

    5. TLMinut profile image60
      TLMinutposted 6 years ago

      @ 21:

      Knowledge the idol? What was prohibited was the knowledge of good and evil. Not the knowledge of anything, but the fact that both existed. Of course, that opens everything up again.

      This wordless communion is likely what led to the bible and other holy books being written. People experienced (...) and then, shocked, asked themselves, "Now what? Wow! So then...now what?!"

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        the knowledge of good/evil is only the indulgence of consciousness.
        Which -as evident today- is idolatry. A shadow cast between humans and (...).
        At one point, human thought was complete, lacking no necessary information. the mind doing -like any tool/machine, without effort. The limitation came with human indulgence of those thoughts, making him a divided being, a slave to those thoughts and slowly removing unity from (...).

        1. Obscure Divine profile image59
          Obscure Divineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          At one point?  Hell, I still spit divine knowledge without ever having to think or ponder, nor do I have to dig for information.  I'm aware, bro!  I'm totally tapped into the universal grid of insanity, and I'm down with the G-funk!  big_smile

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Morning?! OD.

            1. Obscure Divine profile image59
              Obscure Divineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Praise be, 21!  Or better yet, cheers; I'm about to make a beer run...  wink

    6. TLMinut profile image60
      TLMinutposted 6 years ago

      Saying "God" and apparently "Ism" and other such words are what's required to have a discussion at all. Saying "Him" is merely what we do in English due to tradition and necessity. "He, She, It" are our only pronoun choices, what else should one do?

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly. Do. Not think, just do. This -i believe firmly- is faith.
        I believe humans once 'did' v 'think' and as a result were outside of any form of 'sin', judgment, etc. (e.i. child like faith).

        It is the knowledge -divine or not- that makes us aware of good/bad.
        So, outside of our consciousness of question/answer parallel we are in the full stasis of Free Will/Grace.

    7. aguasilver profile image87
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago

      God is what's left when you have run out of all other options.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Desperation and fear. Wonderful. Can't understand something? No answer? Feel lonely?  God dunnit....... lol

        1. aguasilver profile image87
          aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually Mark I was referring to the fact that God is always with us and always will be, we simply run from Him until we run out of our own selfish ideas and belief in our own superiority.

    8. aware profile image70
      awareposted 6 years ago

      a grand idea and hope

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        kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile

    9. aware profile image70
      awareposted 6 years ago

      smiles a mile wide to see kim  back. mabey there is a god after all.

    10. andromida profile image76
      andromidaposted 6 years ago

      My friend mohitsharma knows HIM very well.where are you mohit smile

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Around andromida, watching  smile

    11. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago

      Whenever I ask what this god thing is, I get nothing but opinion and guesses.
      Believe me, if any believer in here could answer that question, locically and factually, they would, just to get us to stop asking that question...but they can't.
      sooooo...I will stop asking because the answer doesn't exist in any form other than opinion and conjecture.
      My opinion of those who guide their lives based soley upon guess, opinion and hope are suffering a level of psychosis!

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend qwark

        May be I  could help you. Please tell me exactly; what is your question.

        Please keep in mind; the Creator-God Allah YHWH is neither a physical being nor a spirit; all physical things and spirits have been created by Him.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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        crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Science is no different, it is merely an illusion that it is verifiable when all it rests on is a foundation of assumptions.

        Science will also never be able to answer the metaphysical questions that human's will always strive to find an answer for.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Many believers love to diss science but usually know little about it. I see you follow that same agenda. smile

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            Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I believe in both God and Science. The two can't be separated.
            I believe in Creationism and Evolution.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend Deborah Sexton

              I am of the same opinion.

              Yes, there is no contradiction in Religion revealed by God and the science  as both are from the same source.

              Creation via Revolution is correct.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Mulim

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            crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I have a bachelor and master degree in Aerospace Engineering with a specialization in thermodynamics and aerodynamics, and will be pursuing a PhD in Cognitive Psychology in September - I am very much involved in the scientific community, and fully believe in the scientific method.  But I am not so pompous to insist that science is concrete, it isn't  Every true scientist recognizes the assumptions upon which they base their hypothesis.  I

            And for the record, as far as being a believer goes - I am spiritual but not religious.  I am very much interested in the psychology of religion, and understanding with epoche why, and what others believe, but I am not a theist.  As far as a creator goes, I am agnostic.  I do not assert to know whether there is or is not one.

            1. mythbuster profile image85
              mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I find this a very reasonable position. It's not my exact position but I'm thinking about the value of these concepts.

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                crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You know, to be honest with you I am open to the possibility of absolutely anything because we really can't know either way.  I am not so naive to insist I have all the answers, I don't.  All I have is what feels right to me right now, and that may not be the same as what it was yesterday or what it will be tomorrow.  The only thing in life that we can truly count on is change.

                It is the lack of humility, and the equally fundamentalist atheists and theists that are constantly banging heads with one another that really make it difficult to not become pessimistic about humanity.  You make a nearly neutral statement on here and some hot head drops by and labels you as a heretic non-believer, or a psychotic theist and it really just makes me feel sad for those people.

                1. mythbuster profile image85
                  mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Looking for clarification:

                  So, you're saying that if a new piece of knowledge/evidence arrives, you're willing to adopt concepts if they displace your current thinking on these matters? Thus - you are still attaining knowledge/understanding of overall beliefs?

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Always... "the unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates

                    Socrates is the figurehead in history whom I admire most.

                    1. mythbuster profile image85
                      mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I lost an argument/debate set with a respected scholar, author and educator (in the humanities and social justice) who visited to speak at my school a couple of years ago... 3 rounds - I only won 1 round.

                      I lost the main argument, overall then he shook my hand and called me "Socrates." LOL I won 1 side-round...but shall be poisoned for my efforts?

                      I joked in that manner to the scholar but he said something like, 'yes but not only that...your ideas will live on.'

                      We were discussing solutions on the topic of poverty and oppression - so I hope that if I am poisoned, my ideas go forward first haha.

                2. qwark profile image60
                  qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Haske:
                  I respect the work you have done to have gained the degrees you own.
                  I hope you get your Doctorate.
                  I finished a Masters in Clinical Psychology and another in Educational Guidance and Counseling.
                  I was headed for a Doctorate in psychology when we had a baby boy and I had to go to work...:-)
                  I am of the opinion, yes, that that there is a level of "psychosis" i.e. "...mental illness marked by loss of or greatly lessened ability to test whether what one is thinking and feeling about the real world is really true." involved in the fanaticism and bigotry exhibited by "fundamentalist" believers in this monotheistic god thing.
                  I'd like to see your reason why I am not correct.
                  Pls, respectfully, there is no necessity to feel sorry for me...:-)
                  Thanks..:-)

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I agree with you up until the word monotheistic.  I think that the psychosis is true of any fundamentalist in anything, not necessarily just religion - though it does appear to be amplified in religion because they (atheists and theists alike) have a lot more to lose if they are wrong.

                    May I ask what you do for a living?  I had considered clinical psychology to the extent that I have a huge interest in personality disorders, and the present difficulties that exist in treating them - that of course is a topic for another forum though lol

                    Once your child is old enough to not require as much of your attention, have you considered going back to do your PhD?

                    1. qwark profile image60
                      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Hi Haske:
                      Thanks for responding!
                      I'm retired now.
                      I retired as a "Warden" in a small correctional facility in Fla.
                      My son is now on his own and I have no intention of pursuing my studies except as it "informally" continues.
                      The only reason I mentioned "monotheism" is because the premise of this forum question, refers to it.
                      Oh yes indeed, "fundamentalists" in many other facets of life  also fit the bill in ref to "psychosis."
                      Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
                      Keep those studies goin'!   :-)

                3. mythbuster profile image85
                  mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Lack of humility? Or lack of critical thinking?

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I really think they go hand in hand.  You cannot effectively think critically if you have no humility because you otherwise just spend your time searching for that which proves your hypothesis and ignoring that which does not.

                    In fact, the scientific method accounts for this itself.  The whole intent is to disprove your hypothesis, and if you cannot, then until you can, it is the truth as we know it.  But that doesn't mean that truth can't ever change.

                    1. mythbuster profile image85
                      mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      And this can also be applied to spiritual/religious teachings? Or not?

                      Scientific method in examining the texts of certain religions, I mean.

                      I always have to brush up on the methods I use for reading religious based text.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend crmhaske

              You are a very learned person; I admit.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                There is a great deal that I do not know, but thank you smile

                I respect your conviction in your faith.

                Christie

            3. Beelzedad profile image61
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I find that hard to believe based on your posts, but the internet does allow the anonymity for anyone to make any claim about themselves. smile 



              What's the difference? smile

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                crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                My full name is Christie Rose Marie HASKEll, and below is my degree.  The quality isn't the greatest because I had to take it with my webcam as my camera doesn't work.  I've uploaded it to my facebook page, which if you are really that dense, add me (Christie Haskell), and that will be enough to verify my identify by the 385 people that agree I am the Christie Haskell with the B.Eng in Aerospace Engineering.  Would you like me to send you my thesis too?  I can do that.  Or how about some letters of reference from Bombardier Aerosapce or CAE, the two aerospace companies that I have worked for.  I could also forward my offer letter from the University of Waterloo for the PhD program in Cognitive Psychology.  How about my transcripts... oh, better yet, how about my letter from Mensa, verifying my score of an IQ of 161 on their entrance exam.  I could go on, shall I?  I hate going on about myself like that, and I generally have tolerance for people - but insult my intelligence, and it is f* on!

                http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/4514333187_5516986ffb_o_d.jpg



                I do not believe in a creator God, nor do I believe in an individual, immortal soul.  What I do believe is that there exists something greater than ourselves.

                1. Rishy Rich profile image79
                  Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  U sure do read a lot, but...

          3. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            the Holy Vedas the oldest spiritual text means science, which was founded by the sage and saints.Many great scientists believed in a higher intelligence or god so lets leave science out of this.

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Your opinion?
        Who asked for your opinion. The thread was about God, not how you feel about those who believe.

        1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
          Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Why are you so defensive to everybody; and you are supposedly enlightened ------ ha-ha!

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And you're supposed to be so obscure ! Maybe that's why you can find your mind ! lol

            1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
              Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Look who is talking; I feel I need to proofread your crap; you can't type worth a shit!

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol
                this gets better and better !

                I'm not talking about your performance, which is very poor big_smile

                I'm talking about your sloppiness and lack of wit, which makes me laugh  the more every time

                lol

        2. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Deborah:
          ...and my question was: what is this god thing?
          You provide me with a "logical" response, and I may give you another "opinion."...lol..but you can't!
          Silly answers from "believers" is what makes my opinions of "them" even more meaningful.   :-)

      4. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
        Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Same to you; you have to have proof for everything; just like the "nutritional facts" on your Cereal Boxes that you seem to be so fu*king concerned about!  Simply pathetic, if ya ask me...

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nothing more pathetic that someone so obscurely diverse !

          1. Obscurely Diverse profile image62
            Obscurely Diverseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You wish, ya little wench!

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You sound just like Bad Company ! lol
              I thought he was dead ! yikes

              1. mega1 profile image81
                mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                some things never die!  sigh.

    12. TLMinut profile image60
      TLMinutposted 6 years ago

      Obscure, has something awful happened today? Are you okay?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      Somebody mentioned So Crates? woot!

      Now back to The Ism.
      It shows that both sides of the coin: religion v science; romantic v classic; sensation v equation are the same.

      Not surprising, the few who rest on the side of that coin -quality- are just rolling back and forth on their sarcastic laurels waiting to see which side the coin falls so they can laugh and say, "Gotcha!"

      I'm with OD's statement: limited by your own thinking/consciousness.
      Certainly none of the Faux Tres Priori is any sort of pure Philo, which makes this all the more ironic and pitiful.

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The Quran says Islam is not  a new religion but reiterates and earlier religions.

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend  mohitmisra

          Yes, Quran says Islam is not a new religion. It is revival of the religions which have lost the true teachings of their founders who recieved Word of revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH. All lasting teachings of Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus etc, could be found from their pristine source in Quran. God Allah YHWH is All-Wise; hence the teachings revealed on the above mentioned must contain the claims and the reasons on the ethical, moral and spiritual issues and needs of the humans; but their followers lost these qualities in the teachings they have. Quran revives and restores these qualities in it, in a very systematic, easy and natural manner understandable by the common and the genius alike.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

      Wow, look at the rules...Do you know how many of my threads and the threads of others have been hijacked . People admit to and laugh about hijacking threads.
      Well, now I know what to do when someone does this.....


      HubPages Forums: Rules of Conduct
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      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This last one is interesting, given what's been going on of late

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There is someone I think is doing this. I am 99.9% sure. The two identities actually take up for each other and comment to each other.

          Do you also suspect this in others?

    15. TLMinut profile image60
      TLMinutposted 6 years ago

      crmhaske, I second the vote for Huston Smith's book, I read it a few years ago. Changed my views on a few things after reading about the different beliefs of the world.

      1. mythbuster profile image85
        mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Two votes for the same text... k, it's on my reading list now. Thx both of you.

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      ralwusposted 6 years ago

      Seems to me that someone needs to know the biggest troublemaker he'll probably ever have to deal with watches himself shave his face in the mirror every morning.

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        He's only a child ! Poor thing ! lol
        Hi Charlie !
        Don't get into problems with such a baby ! lol

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          ralwusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Am I worried? A demitasse would fit his head like a sombrero.

    17. Putz Ballard profile image60
      Putz Ballardposted 6 years ago

      ralwus that'd be me

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      who is god?

      Hi friends

      The Christians have been wrongly lead by the clever Paul astray from the path of Jesus who was a Jew and believed in ONE-God with no son of god or god in flesh concepts.

      Quran repudiates these mislead concept of Paul and the Church in a very short chapter, as follows:

      The Holy Quran : Chapter 112: Al-Ikhlas الإخلاص

      [112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
      [112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
      [112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
      [112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
      [112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … php?ch=112

      I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    19. Rod Marsden profile image86
      Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago

      A girlfriend of mine once suggested a four letter word for God. The word? LOVE.

      At the time I thought she was on to something. There are still moments like when I am in the Blue mountains or I am on a fishing trip up the north coast of NSW and there's all that rugged natural beauty I reckon that four letter word must be spot on.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      crmhaske
      crmhaske wrote:

      Of course not, but then you have just refuted your own argument.  We are all entitled to believe whatever we want, but since Buddha never said anything about God, we can't claim to know with certainty what he believed.

      I don't understand the relevance of your Jesus reference; however, I would like to add that many Muslims tired to elevate Muhammad to the status of a god.  The difference between him and Jesus, is Muhammad denied the claim, and Jesus confirmed it.  But in the end the people of both faiths attempted the same thing.

      crmhaske wrote:

      That is the most naive piece of writing I have ever read on Buddhism, it is nothing more than propaganda.

      Paarsurrey says:

      Perhaps there is some mistake; the above are both your posts.

      If you want to say about one of my posts; the last on of your remarks; the please tell me; so that I may explain further.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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        crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The first part of the first response was in response to your assertion that Buddha believed in Allah, which there is absolutely not proof of.

        "Of course not, but then you have just refuted your own argument.  We are all entitled to believe whatever we want, but since Buddha never said anything about God, we can't claim to know with certainty what he believed."

        The second part of the first response was in response to my confusion over the irrelevancy of a Jesus sentiment you gave, it had no place in what were were talking about, but I responded to it anyways:

        "I don't understand the relevance of your Jesus reference; however, I would like to add that many Muslims tired to elevate Muhammad to the status of a god.  The difference between him and Jesus, is Muhammad denied the claim, and Jesus confirmed it.  But in the end the people of both faiths attempted the same thing."

        And the second response was in response to a link you gave me explaining Buddhism, and it was a very factually incorrect analysis and hence:

        "That is the most naive piece of writing I have ever read on Buddhism, it is nothing more than propaganda."

      2. Rod Marsden profile image86
        Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Refuted my own argument paasurrey? Not likely. I simply put forward a girlfriend's definition. Like I said some days LOVE as a definition of God works out okay. On other days maybe not so okay.

        Certainly the way Christians have seen Jesus has changed over time.

        There are some who see early Christianity as a death cult with the end of the world nigh.

        Then you have social manipulation where it is okay to be a European peasant and the bottom of the heap on earth because if you are good you will do very well in heaven after you die.

        Then you have the crusades were warriors went into battle waving the red cross about and doing all sorts of terrible things in the name of Jesus. As far as I know Jesus preferred peace and goodwill to violence.

        Then you have Victorian morality where the poor are to blame for their lot because they are low in the eyes of God.

        Nowadays a lot of Christians go back to the peaceful and loving Jesus idea. Some even want to do something good about the environment and are even keen on taking responsibility for their own actions.

    21. mythbuster profile image85
      mythbusterposted 6 years ago

      I do not believe of "God" as having "choosen" a nation of people to suppress and another to "save," and I believe that these notions are inconsistent with many traditions in Christianity or one-god based traditions...

      If there are errors in translation and text... or political motivations in scriptures/texts, it is my belief that they enter into verses which deem certain nations worthy and others not worthy of God's love...

      There are proofs in Scriptures of political changes and when these appear, often a new set of laws or commandments also follows - and closeby, some indicator of 'choosen' and 'punishable' nations...

      This is inconsistent with almost all other concepts of the one-god, in my opinion.

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        crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was unable to reply to this, because it couldn't cascade further so I'll reply to this here:

        "Poverty/oppression is what I use my studies for.

        Reasonable poverty is poverty that is from natural, sometimes unavoidable natural events... not from man's oppression.

        The study of oppression comes in to play for me all the time tho' - in consideration of religion, politics, everything, so it's been a very useful topic of study."

        This is all very interesting, I'd like to learn more on this topic.  Do you have any suggestions on where I could start?

        1. mythbuster profile image85
          mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          In learning about oppression, I studied the words of Marx, paying close attention to translation keywords - looking up the German equivalents for anything that was difficult for me as a concept. Finding out the other-language terminology was extremely important...

          The writings of Brazilian, Paulo Freire, will give you a really excellent understanding of Marx, and of how oppression is marked in Marx by oppression overturning their oppressors to become the oppressors...that's the downfall of what Marx understood (he kept describing revolution - which is more oppression and is no liberation at all)...but Freire sees a way to facilitate liberation in a very unique way which I am working on myself...

          It is that the oppressed must liberate themselves WITHOUT turning on their oppressors...or else what we have is revolution and the Marxist sort of liberation-with-oppression-to-follow.

          Something like that... Freire's 3 best chapters are at the marx .org site online.

          1. mythbuster profile image85
            mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And what I'm finding is that what Friere explains as methods for liberation is relevant to participating in religion, family, school, government, society, etc...

            Understanding when oppression is happening - then taking appropriate action to remove it is necessary everywhere. It's definitely a set of concepts that requires critical thinking in its participants tho'...

            It's actually a tiring method of going about the world at first but I'm working slowly on things...

            And harm none?

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              crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It is absolutely impossible to harm none unless you live on a deserted island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but even then, the fish you eat might have been fish that someone else no longer has the opportunity to catch and consume.  That is the problem with being a social creature.  Everything we do affects someone, somewhere.

              That's also the problem with critical thinking, I sometimes think myself around in circles haha

              1. mythbuster profile image85
                mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The aim is to harm none, though, right?

                smile

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                  crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  To the best of our abilities!  I made a comment on another forum about karma yesterday, and think it applies here as well:

                  Everything that we say or do, we speak or act into creation. From that point forward we are responsible for the ways in which our creation changes reality. However, in that regard we are perpetually in the path of the creations of others. One should never think, "what will happen when this gets back to me," but "how will this affect those in the path of my creation."

                  It is like a boomerang, do not aim at others, and think first of who may be in its path before you throw.

                  1. mythbuster profile image85
                    mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, goodness! Now don't be giving me boomerangs now! lol

                    Point taken tho'...

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                      crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      haha, I've never actually been able to successfully throw a boomerang that didn't "return" half a football field away from me

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            crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Until I read the second paragraph I thought, "but Marx was an oppressor like the rest of them" lol

            That is really interesting, I will definitely look into Freire.

            Thanks!

            1. mythbuster profile image85
              mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No, Marx wasn't an oppressor "like the rest of them." His works need be read very carefully...

              He was very much without hope - his works aren't positive and happy - but he is simply describing the breadth and depth of oppression in society...

              He is often read as "Marx says to start revolution" where really, he was warning "These conditions lead to revolution."

              His manifesto - simply offers no solutions - but people have read it to be a "how to start a revolution" guidebook...

              Certainly other oppressive political leaders read Marx this way, too - which has added to the misinterpretation...

              Marx is BANG ON in his warnings...I wish people would read his works critically. His words are still relevant...the current systems in power in society (these aren't just gov't - they are SOCIETY members, you, me, the neighbor)...are liberating BY OPPRESSION, so no liberation is occurring anywhere...

              Find the oppression in the last "Fighting For Freedom" campaign, "War on Drugs"....there isn't the concept of "liberation" in our heads anymore...but we can make changes.

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                crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I'll admit I haven't read The Manifesto entirety (I got through about a quarter of it and then had to stop for school work, and then lost the book), and my only exposure to Marxism is an extreme Marxist friend of mine who believes that religion needs to be entirely eradicated, and that is what Marx wanted.  From him I gathered the impression that Marxism included oppression of the religious.

                I will read the Manifesto and come back to you; however, I can agree that there is no real liberation going on in the world right now.

                1. mythbuster profile image85
                  mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Your "Marxist" friend may be finding some text which supports his viewpoint...but (the translation was SO IMPORTANT on Marx main points) Marx may have been SUGGESTING that religion was on its way out and that religious effects in politics cause a lot of damage...again, I'm not sure Marx was suggesting a new plan should be under way to eliminate religions in society.

                  As well, Marx uses some bad arguments... people pass over those quite often. He has limited experience in certain things (also, he hadn't "walked in anyone else's shoes" enough to understand poor people tho' he spoke on their behalf).

                  His being poor and unstable from moving around - his exile on many occasions... meant he wasn't a rich guy - but he was an elite, for sure. He was a very good observer, in my opinion, but made a few erroneous explanations based on what he saw. Hence, he could see no solutions to what he thought was impending revolution and collapse of certain things in society.

                  Mind you - this is in my experience of examining Marx's writings...with close supervision and discourse with professors and student peers.

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I definitely agree that religion is a private experience and should have nothing to do with politics, but I was really set back when my friend insisted religion should be destroyed altogether.

                    I will read the Manifesto, and perhaps post a hub on my response to it, I have three weeks until the start of the summer semester to read for pleasure wink

                    1. mythbuster profile image85
                      mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Sounds good! Perhaps I should do another read-through, too! I won't be participating in a summer semester, so I can add it to my reading list (again).

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      Hi friend crmhaske

      I don't understand your comments; are the stupas fake or the writings on them are not truthful or the translation has not been done correctly?

      Please elaborate.

      Thanks

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        crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        At the link you posted the interpretation is very misled, and gathering that it was presented on an Islamic faith website more than likely with an agenda - which is propaganda, not research.

        If you want a real understanding of what Buddhism is and what Buddha believed you need to seek it out in reputable locations.  Material from a religious institution not of the religion you wish to understand is not reputable.  Persons of a different faith is different, people of different faiths can understand other religions, institutions on the other hand will always have an agenda.

        Buddha did not believe in a personal God, that much is known for sure.  Allah is a personal God, and so by extension, Buddha did not believe in Allah.  No where, in any Buddhist text that is accepted to be from the Buddha himself, is there any mention of God.  As far as Buddhist reverence to him as a God, the entire Theravada division of Buddhism does NOT see him as a God, but as a mere spiritual guide.  Those that to revere him as a God began to do so after he died, that was not Buddha's chocie, he had no control over that.

        Buddha also believed that the human self has no soul in the sense that it is not a separate entity as in dualism, and it  does not remain a separate identify forever.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      who is god?

      Contrary to Genesis 2:2

      And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made: and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

      http://www.drbo.org/chapter/01002.htm

      God Allah YHWH does not get tired; so he needs no rest.  This seems to be only an opinion of the scribe added in the Bible.

      Quran presents the Creator who never gets tired for a moment and needs no rest:

      [2:256] Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=253

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Saying he rested just means he ended the work of his creation. It doesn't mean he was tired.

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend Deborah Sexton

          Sorry, I don't get it; if rest meant ended; then there were many other suitable words to express that phenomenon like ended, finished, completed, accomplished.

          Quran has corrected this mistake of the Bible in many a verse; I quote from one such place:

          [50:38] Therein, verily, is a reminder for him who has a heart, or who gives ear, and is attentive.
          [50:39] And verily, We created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six periods, and no weariness touched Us.
          [50:40] So bear with patience what they say, and glorify thy Lord with His praise, before the rising of the sun and before its setting;

          http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=33

          Quran has rectified the mistake of the Bible and its own sytle. Those who think that Quran has copied from previous Revelations should think on this.Quran rectifies in most friendly way and does not copy. Like relativity; it is difficult to understand but i think in essence Bible is only the remnant of the original Word  (though it came earlier) which has been again revealed one Muhammad.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Because rest has more than one meaning like many words in the English language.

            A common phrase in English "lay to rest" means to end something.

            So it can mean to stop temporarily or to cease doing something to store energy, but it can also simply mean to stop.

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            Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Then the person who wrote that..had read Genesis and was disputing it. There is only one God and is called different names in different tongues.

            At the end of a day in court. They say "The Court Rests" meaning they are done.

            Rest means many things. However it appears that the writer is looking at a word that was interpreted as "Rest", as the word rest is not a Hebrew/Aramaic word.

            Rest can mean to be at peace or motionless.
            To put only one meaning onto a word that means many things..is to not consider the complete meaning.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friends

              The question is; what was the original word in the original revelation? If it is not there; why should one insist to interpret it differently?

              The court court could rest; they are human beings; not YHWH.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      2. mythbuster profile image85
        mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        parrsurrey,

        the text below is from your first link and I have questions about the text/words, if you don't mind.

        Latin Vulgate Bible, Genesis 2:
        6 But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. 7 And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

        11 The name of the one is Phison: that is it which compasseth all the land of Hevilath, where gold groweth.

        parrsurrey - are there different words in your culture for "spring," "earth" "surface" "slime" "breathed" "breath" and "soul" ? If so, could you post or email these alternate words and meanings to me?

        Also - is Phison also meant/spelled as Pison?

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend mythbuster

          I don't know who wrote Genesis; and I don't believe in its stories to be true. Sorry; I don't know how to answer your question.

          If you have a question about Quran; I may try to help you, if I know the answer.

          I am not a scholar; I am just an ordinary man.

          Thanks

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            crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            His question has nothing to do with Genesis, it was a matter of Linguistics:

            "are there different words in your culture for "spring," "earth" "surface" "slime" "breathed" "breath" and "soul" ? If so, could you post or email these alternate words and meanings to me?

            Also - is Phison also meant/spelled as Pison?"

            1. mythbuster profile image85
              mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              parrsurrey,

              Let me simplify... what are the non-english words used in your culture for the words "earth," "spring," etc?

              Just doing a word check here.

              I'm wondering why you don't believe the Genesis text to be true...

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                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                He is a Skeptic LOL

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi friend  mythbuster

                But that will be in Urdu. Can you understand Urdu. I have Urdu Catholic Bible with me; I can give you from it; but in roman writing.
                Earth=Zameen, spring=ratubat,surface: rue , spirit= jaan, breath= dam, slime= mattee, breated= phoonka,Phison has been kept the same perhaps they considered it a proper noun.

                Sorry, I did not understand earlier that you wanted this.

                Protestants would have translated in slightly changed words; but it is not with me right now.

                Maybe it helps you.

                Thanks

                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                1. mythbuster profile image85
                  mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Nope, parrsurrey, I don't speak a word of Urdu but I am aware that in translations meanings get lost so I always try to find out the intended meaning of an author, if possible,  and what word meanings the author is likely to have used.

                  This saves me on misunderstanding entire passages sometimes but not always - That's all

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi friend mythbuster

                There are many things:

                1.    The book does not claim it is Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH; it is not from one of the plates given to Moses from YHWH.
                2.    Even Moses never claimed that he himself had written it.
                3.    Even the scribe; whosoever he was; has not mentioned that it was dictated by Moses to him.
                4.    The scribe’ whosoever he was does not mention that he was authorized to write it on behalf of Moses.
                5.    If taken in literal sense; the things mentioned in it are not factual.
                6.    In symbolic sense; some parts of it could be understood or interpreted in a manner that it make sense; but there seem some later additions which do not fit in the reasonable picture.
                I don’t deny that still there is enough guidance in the OTBible to reach to the eternal truth, if understood correctly.

                Maybe it helps

                Thanks

                I am an Ahmadi  peaceful Muslim

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend  crmhaske

              Thank you for pointing out my mistke; I have no answered post of friend mythbuster.

              I hold you in high esteem.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    24. mythbuster profile image85
      mythbusterposted 6 years ago

      parrsurrey,

      Here's something from the 2nd link you offered in a post a short while back:

      "[2:259] Hast thou not heard of him who disputed with Abraham about his Lord, because Allah had given him kingdom? When Abraham said, ‘My Lord is He Who gives life and causes death,’ he said, ‘I also give life and cause death.’ Abraham said, ‘Well, Allah brings the sun from the East; bring it thou from the West.’ Thereupon the infidel was dumbfounded. And Allah guides not the unjust people."

      Please explain "the infidel" and "the unjust people," so that I may understand who these are.

      Also, parr surrey, in [2:261] what is the significance of the four birds? "[...]‘Take four birds and make them attached to thyself. Then put each of them on a hill; then call them; they will come to thee in haste. And know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.’ "

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        crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Infidel I can explain, an Arab friend once enlightened my while we were watching Aladdin, and the Cave of Wonders yells infidel and collapses on the thief lol

        The arabic word infidel means more something along the lines of "one who lacks thankfulness" than it does "one who disbelieves"

        As a side note I remember parrasurrey mentioning earlier that he speaks Urdu so he's probably from Pakistan and doesn't speak a plethora of Arabic.

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        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I would put it as a metaphor speaking about god being the entity who has four birds ,us humans in different continents(hills) and when god comes calling we reciprocate faster.

        Could be wrong.smile

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend mohitmisra

          I thank you for replying from my side; I forgot to reply to the post of our friend mythbuster. Peace to him.

          Abraham asked YHWH; how would you enliven the not-believers? YHWH told him to take four (human) birds (amongst your followers) and train them; when they are perfect in acts and teachings and obedience they would join you in your mission.

          You have understood correctly. I admire your understanding.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            smile

    25. Niteriter profile image77
      Niteriterposted 6 years ago

      Who is god? Why, everybody in the Hubpages community knows it's Mark Knowles! (Howdy, Mark!)

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        LOL

        There will always be those who deny Obvious Trooth. wink

    26. pooja0908 profile image63
      pooja0908posted 6 years ago

      One who be with me and gives me Strength to live

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      probafixposted 6 years ago

      For me my family (my parents) is god...I love my parents!!!

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      philip carey 61posted 6 years ago

      God is Love. Period.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      And the Creator- God Allah YHWH created everything in the Universe and he did not get tired:

      [46:34] Have they not seen that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not wearied by their creation, has the power to give life to the dead? Yea, verily, He has power over all things.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=32

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    30. kaja_mel profile image60
      kaja_melposted 6 years ago

      According to the New Testament Jesus is the word (made into flesh) that was spoken to create by God. He also created Christianity. However Constatine brought forth a corrupt version of Chrisianity. I guess you just have to be a believer in Christianity and the virgin birth to understand. Isaiah 48 is a good reading for examining the Trinity(one God with multiple manifestations.

    31. bojanglesk8 profile image60
      bojanglesk8posted 6 years ago

      We are our own gods.

      1. errum fattah profile image60
        errum fattahposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        oh really?
        u must be silly talking like this...
        wat powers we have if we are Gods?

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We are limited in the human form but our essence is gods essence which permeates everything.

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            i disagree. we are only limited even in human form by our perspective of the true Image in us. G/god or gods is a limitation of Creator.

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              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry didn't get that please expand.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

      Our human form is body, mind & spirit.
      we cannot divide them.
      Thus, our true nature is the image of Creator in manifest form.
      The image we see now is not as it was before -as with adam. However, the second Adam revealed that form to us.

      The concept of G/god or multiple titles, images, expressions are man-made limitations of our actual nature -mentioned above.

      As said to someone else, the Creator is not G/god or a god because it limits who He is -everything. Any perception of a personal, relationary deity is idolatry. Yet men worship other men -even the One who told them not to worship even himself, but called us brothers. This was my argument also regarding names and titles given by man to the Creator.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      Hi friends

      Quran informs us about the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

      [2:164] And your God is One God; there is no God but He, the Gracious, the Merciful.
      [2:165] Verily, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of night and day, and in the ships which sail in the sea with that which profits men, and in the water which Allah sends down from the sky and quickens therewith the earth after its death and scatters therein all kinds of beasts, and in the change of the winds, and the clouds pressed into service between the heaven and the earth — are indeed Signs for the people who understand.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?
      submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=159

      Thanks

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "Either you can see the magic,
        Or your life is indeed tragic. "    From Ponder Awhile

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      Hi friends

      More about God and His attributes:

      [57:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
      [57:2] Whatever is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Allah; and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
      [57:3] His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and He causes death; and He has power over all things.
      [57:4] He is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden, and He knows all things full well.
      [57:5] He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, then He settled Himself on the Throne. He knows what enters the earth and what comes out of it, and what comes down from heaven and what goes up into it. And He is with you wheresoever you may be. And Allah sees all that you do.
      [57:6] His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; and to Allah are all affairs referred.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … .php?ch=57

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    35. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      I find this belief in a god to be amusing.

      I would have thought an omnipotent omnipresent entity would be at least sophisticated enough not to demand worship or need to be worshipped.

      That is not a god, that is a megalomaniac. smile

      1. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hello Mr. shrub  hows it doin.

          I wonder if his definition of Worship is the same as everybody elses?  If everybody gets to interpret everything else; Why not this also?

    36. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      I apologize Earnestshrub.  trying to be cute ,

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        smile No offence taken Jerami.

    37. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      I'm not very good at being cute!  I need more practice.
      But right now I Gotta, don't want to, or need to, but I gotta go to the store for a pack oh cigs.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I just got back from buying cigs to see this post! smile

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      shonnadave16posted 6 years ago

      in catholic faith, we believe that GOD is only one but categorized into three persons,.which are the following:GOD THE FATHERGOD THE SON and HOLY SPIRIT.

      God is anonymous. He did not even revealed himself to people who he really is... the only thing he said is that "I am Who Am"

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friends

        It is the Bible scirbes; who did not understand the Word revealed on Moses correctly and mentioned these meaningless sentence or the part of the sentence "I am Who Am".

        Quran corrects this and mentions the sentence:

        [20:9] Allah — there is no God but He. His are the most beautiful names.
        [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee?
        [20:11] When he saw a fire, he said to his family, ‘Tarry ye, I perceive a fire; perhaps I may bring you a brand therefrom or find guidance at the fire.’
        [20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses,
        [20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord . So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
        [20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed.
        [20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.

        http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Those aren't corrections, they are dismissals. smile

        2. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The quoran is anti-Semitic as well as hating "infidels"


          Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6984) Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
          The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

          Why don't you quote this instead usmanali? lol

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      Hi friends

      Everything else except the Creator- God Allah YHWH needs a pair; he needs no pair, no companion:

      [51:48] And We have built the heaven with Our own hands, and verily We have vast powers. [51:49] And the earth We have spread out, and how excellently do We prepare things! [51:50] And of everything have We created pairs, that you may reflect.
      [51:51] Flee ye therefore unto Allah. Surely, I am a plain Warner unto you from Him.
      [51:52] And do not set up another God along with Allah. Surely, I am a plain Warner unto you from Him.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=44

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      Hi friends

      More about the Creator - God Allah YHWH from the undoubted Quran:

      [13:2] Alif Lam Mim Ra. These are verses of the Book. And that which has been revealed to thee from thy Lord is the truth, but most men believe not.
      [13:3] Allah is He Who raised up the heavens without any pillars that you can see. Then He settled Himself on the Throne. And He pressed the sun and the moon into service: each pursues its course until an appointed term. He regulates it all. He clearly explains the Signs, that you may have a firm belief in the meeting with your Lord.
      [13:4] And He it is Who spread out the earth and made therein mountains and rivers. And fruits of every kind He made therein in two sexes. He causes the night to cover the day. Therein, verily, are Signs for a people who reflect.
      [13:5] And in the earth are diverse tracts, adjoining one another, and gardens of vines, and corn-fields, and datepalms, growing together from one root and others not so growing; they are watered with the same water, yet We make some of them excel others in fruit. Therein are Signs for a people who understand.
      [13:6] And if thou dost wonder, then wondrous indeed is their saying: ‘What! when we have become dust, shall we then be in a state of new creation?’ These it is who disbelieve in their Lord; and these it is who shall have shackles round their necks, and they shall be the inmates of the Fire, wherein they shall abide.
      [13:7] And they want thee to hasten on the punishment in preference to good, whereas exemplary punishments have already occurred before them. And verily, thy Lord is full of forgiveness for mankind despite their wrongdoing, and verily, thy Lord is also strict in condign punishment.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … .php?ch=13

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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