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If Your Religious Belief or Logical Belief didn't.........

  1. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 6 years ago

    If your Religious Belief or your Logical Belief didn't give you passion and faith, would you still believe it?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "it": meaning the religion?
      actual is a good question...

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        it meaning the chosen religious or logical belief.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hmm, am curious to see the responses, because this is "The Ism" question: logic v sensation, which is right up my alley, Marine.
          Might open even further insight. Just ask Ceci. jeje.

    2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I tried to understand the premise, but did not arrive.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Would there be religion or logical titled beliefs without their designers, passion and faith? The premise is that passion and faith build every belief.

        1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
          ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Define belief.

          1. LarasMama profile image61
            LarasMamaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Honestly - this is the reason I am not religious. I sometimes wish I could fully believe in something. However after my experiences I have become a complete cynic - making me question the bad AND the good.

            1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
              ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              they are two sides of the same coin.

          2. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Cecilia, Belief of the individual that keeps them content.

            Laras, I am in the same boat, but I guarantee like I do, you question both beliefs with passion and faith that both lie to gain followers.

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Because you are unable to understand it becomes a lie ?
              You talk of being logical ha.

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol Coming from the irrational one that believes and promotes they are a chosen prophet of an illusionary god in order to sell more horribly written ebooks. Are you being logical? Don't chime in if you don't want your bell rung.

                1. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  So who gets ranked over the Bibles,Qurans and Bhawat Gitas? someone like you who cannot even write one piece when challenged to do so.

                  Common you claim to be so intelligent and I am supposed to be stupid ,have you written a better piece on Religions, its been months.

                  You need to perform ,forget and entire book of fifty one poems ,just one piece will do, less than 2% of what I have done and I will agree with you.

                  1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    to finish a book is an achievement, to share it boldly is another achievement. Celebrate your accomplishments! Criticism means you've inspired some kind of reaction, say thanks for reading it.

                  2. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    He only gets reaction because it's entertaining to observe how lost he is. He is a good experimental observation of someone lost in ego and faith.

            2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
              ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              you mean:

              Main Entry: be·lief
              Pronunciation: \bə-ˈlēf\
              Function: noun
              Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelēafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lēafa; akin to Old English lȳfan — more at believe
              Date: 12th century

              1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
              2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
              3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence

              ?

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                To pick the simplest definition, let's go with number 1. big_smile

                1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                  ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  a habit of mind, is laziness to constantly update your model of reality. so by constantly reevaluating your world view, you infact expand your understanding.

                  1. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Agreed, plus having an unbiased view.

            3. ceciliabeltran profile image85
              ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              belief is a model of reality.

              It is inherent in humans to have belief. In its most basic forms, belief that you exist is formed by logic, a passion to live and faith that what you see is true.

              But is it?

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hmm, it could also be logical that we are just an illusion of existence created by our conscioiusness. We can't define how we arrived or came to exist, how can anything else be defined as absolute?

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      Justine76posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      not so sure about passion, but if I didn't have faith then it woudln't be a belief in the first place. Or do you mean if you lost the faith you once had?

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Passion is the emotion that makes you feel good in the belief. Faith and passion are the same, both emotion to believe. Logic attempts to separate emotion from belief, but does still require faith to some extent.

      2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think there is a call for a definition of Passion, marine.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          My definition or one of websters? lol

          Passion
          4 a (1) : emotion <his ruling passion is greed> (2) plural : the emotions as distinguished from reason
          http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/passion

          Faith
          3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction
          http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

    4. Springboard profile image82
      Springboardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think that's a difficult question, because for me the more answers I find, the more questions are generated as a result. I think we all have to be open minded, open to all possibility. No one should stop seeking answers. Choosing a religion closes too many doors for my liking.

      1. Jerami profile image75
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was constantly going through that dificulty when I first went on a   "false interpretation hunt". 
          As I would discover one false interpretation to be done away with; three or more issues would become evident.
          I think that any time we stumbled upon what seems to be a contradiction there is usually a false interpretation or misleading assumption on our part that we are holding onto that causes the conflict..

           But we never will answer all of everyones questions.
        We can however settle most of our own questions.

    5. goldenpath profile image80
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It does not give faith, passion maybe, but not faith.  Faith is fostered through the application of doctrines and practices and acknowledging the fruits of those efforts.  Gaining the "passion" is easy and is usually entered into blindly due to popularity of that belief or the flamboyant emotions conjured from that mindset.

      1. Jerami profile image75
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't remember where it is written ...
        I remember God telling someone that they should not feel proud of themselves for anything.
          If they were smart... this was a gift from God and the person has nothing to be proud about for having recieved a gift.
           Even Faith. We should not be prideful for having faith for this too is a Gift that is given to whom ever God chooses to give it?
           If this is true?  We do not build faith ,, but God builds it within us.

        1. goldenpath profile image80
          goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ....through our efforts and actions to foster it.  Scripture tells us that faith is as a mustard seed.  In order to grow it must be nurtured and fostered.  Faith is not a dormant object but a Spirit borne testament of the reality of the Father and the Son through the relative efforts of the one desiring such a testimony.

  2. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 6 years ago

    Logic
    : the science of the formal principles of reasoning
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic

    Also not mentioned in any definitions I have seen is that logic separates emotions.

    Reason
    Reason is often contrasted with authority, intuition, emotion, mysticism, superstition, and faith, and is thought by rationalists to be more reliable than these in discovering what is true or what is best.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

  3. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 6 years ago

    73mohitmisraposted 3 minutes agoin reply to this
    Materialistic ebook ranking???

    So you cannot done 2% of what I have done? Have the self awareness to acknowledge this.



    What have you done and how do you know what I have or haven't done? You don't, you only think you know by faith. lol
    You are defined by your materialistic ebook ranking that has you believing you are a chosen prophet of God. Don't talk about self awareness when you have none. lol

    Old habits do die hard, this is why what you write is predictable. lol

    Your evidence for believing you are a prophet, you have seen a white light in meditation. lol

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Someone comes on a religious forum and mocks a poet ranked so highly shows a very poor level of self awareness and logic.

      Whats stopping you from writing a masterpiece?
      Lack of knowledge ?
      Or you are no master ,just cheap talk?

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol more mentioning of your rankings, again no self awareness.
        I see using logic that you have no self awareness or you wouldn't let your materialism define yourself.
        lol A Masterpiece, who besides you classifies it as that?

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So you are just cheap talk and nothing else?

          What book gets ranked over Bibles,Qurans and Bhagwat Gitas?

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You are just an ebook ranking and nothing else?

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Its still a book .Just in electronic format like the way we are writing on this  forum.

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Great answer.

                1. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hard copy is ranked in Top 10 Body,Mind and Spirit, Top 10 religious-Philosophy and Top 10 Poetry.
                  You can have a look at my profile.

                  Wonder what you will come up with next.

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    Miss Takeposted 6 years ago

    passion and faith...

    my religious belief does not give me passion.... or faith, i have faith in the religion of my choice, and i am mildly passionate, though less so of late.  Passion is n ot something you acquire because of your religion,,,,, it is to do with our emotional make up...... faith is something that can be strengthend by y our religion, but you can have faith in anything can't you?????

    JUST THINKING ON THIS QUESTION ALOuD/, it is interesting.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What is your religious belief?

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    Miss Takeposted 6 years ago

    you wan t the title of it or what i actually believe?

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Both.

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    Miss Takeposted 6 years ago

    well maybe is i tell you my beliefs in short,,,,,, do not have all day, you may guess it...

    I believe god cares for us, he expects respect from us, we have so much to thank him for,,,,, he has a purpose for the earth, and the people on it..... he will never forsake us.  He has huge plans for the future, and power and conrol. God is love,

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      and who told you that?

    2. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think it has been mentioned here several times that there are many people on earth that live in misery by no fault of their own, showing that there are no gods to care for them. The question would be why would god care for you and not them? smile

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        she does not, hence the belief.

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        Miss Takeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        i was of the opinion god cared for everyone, not just me..... i feel he really does.

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Are you saying you didn't know there are many people in the world who have nothing and are not cared for by any gods? Does your opinion only include yourself? smile

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    Miss Takeposted 6 years ago

    no one person told me that.... i had a spritual thirst or hunger, and looked around, studied, and for me this is what i believe to be true.......  i know i am probably in the minority, but i cling to it.... it feels right  and satisfies, my spiritual hunger, though i am still hungering and thirsting for truth, seeking and learning.

    1. Jerami profile image75
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Scripture says... Jesus = the word of the true God.

        Jesus said that when we drink his water that we will thirst no more. ??
        If we are still thirsty maybe we should drink out of a diffrent well ??
        OR ?? .. OR ..??..  we should swallow ??   instead of using it as a mouth wash  ???
         
      Sorry   Don't mean to be arguementive !!  Just thinking out loud.
      Thinking and typing as I go.
      I'm sure that I do that way too much!!

        Just a thought.

    2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you are infact a majority.

  8. Jerami profile image75
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I gotta go now..  start working on my honey-do list?/book?/library??..

 
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