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Peaceful spread of Islam in India

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    It is a wrong notion that Islam spread with sword or bloodshed. Islam never needed it; Islam’s brilliant teachings are sufficient to convince anybody for its natural spread.

    This can be well observed from the following article:

    Islam in India

    From New World Encyclopedia

    Islam in India constitutes the second-most practiced religion after Hinduism, with approximately 151 million Muslims in India's population as of 2007 (according to government census 2001), i.e., 13.4 percent of the population.[1] Currently, India has the third largest population of Muslims in the world, after Indonesia and Pakistan.

    Islam in India has had a fascinating, and powerful impact. Indeed, Islam has become woven into the very fabric of Indian civilization and culture. Muslims arrived in India during the life of Muhammad the Prophet, establishing mosques and organizing missionary endeavors in the seventh century C.E.

    Those missionary efforts proved successful, rooting Islam firmly into Indian life. As often happens with missionary movements from all religions, merchant and trade endeavors went hand in hand with missionary work. Arabs had had a presence in India before the birth of Muhammad. That probably facilitated making inroads for Islam, since Arab traders established in India who converted to Islam already had a base of operations established.

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent … m_in_India

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      crmhaskeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Peaceful?  Right... so Pakistan never happened o_O

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend teacher crmhaske

        I did not understand your above sentece; Please elaborate further for me.

        Pakistan or Saudi Arabia do not represent Quran/Islam/Muhammad.For the teachings of a religion; its roots are to be seen. There are no teachings of Quran to fight for conversion to Islam.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    2. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This spreading in India came later , earlier it was by the sword, convert or get beheaded and so the Parsees fled and came to India.

      Indian or Hindus is  the most broad mined religion which engulfs truth no matter where it come from,this  why the Sufi mystics were respected and welcomed in India.

      1. skyfire profile image72
        skyfireposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Read This Parr

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend  skyfire

          Mohitmisra is wrong here:

          Islam in India has had a fascinating, and powerful impact. Indeed, Islam has become woven into the very fabric of Indian civilization and culture. Muslims arrived in India during the life of Muhammad the Prophet, establishing mosques and organizing missionary endeavors in the seventh century C.E. Those missionary efforts proved successful, rooting Islam firmly into Indian life. As often happens with missionary movements from all religions, merchant and trade endeavors went hand in hand with missionary work. Arabs had had a presence in India before the birth of Muhammad. That probably facilitated making inroads for Islam, since Arab traders established in India who converted to Islam already had a base of operations established.

          http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent … m_in_India

          The politiacal wars were done laterby the rulers never representing Islam/Quran/Muhammad while Islam had already established in India earlier ; Islam/Quran/Muhammad had not instructed for the same, for spread of Islam.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
            IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            They did arrive in India.  YOU are correct in that, however, there was NOTHING PEACEFUL ABOUT IT.  They raped, pillage, plunder and killed people to establish there so called "peaceful religion."

            You know- YOU really need to start being realistic and if you are going to continue to make post like this, YOU need to stop lying to the general public.  There was NOTHING peaceful about the MUSLIM invasion into India.

            A truly peaceful person, would make note of that, and then............, spread the word of peaceful intentions.  When you make these kind of notations, you are nothing more than a lying baboon.  When you make accurate HISTORICALLY correct ramblings, then you look intelligent and like a true person with a heart, spreading peace and helping those who do not understand what your religion is suppose to be about.  Maybe if you start speaking TRUTHFULLY, maybe people will receive your message better.

            Try the truth peaceful whatever your name is, it does serve the greater good.

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              paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend  IntimatEvolution

              I think you are confusing peaceful spread of Islam with the political spread of Muslims. The politicians and rulers make wars 'in the name of religion' to rally people around them for their own benefit; the religion is not to be blamed for it; if it has not authorised for it in the roots of its teachings; ie in Quran for Muslims.

              Please see the things in true perspective; they did things without any lawful authority from Quran/Islam/Muhammad. Quran/Islam/Muhammad did not harm even a single person, name just one such person, for forcible conversion to Islam.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          2. mohitmisra profile image61
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            My mothers side are Parsees who fled because they refused to change their religion.

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              paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend mohitmisra

              It might have been only due to the love of their Parsee religion and apprehension that they might be forced to leave their religion.

              It is many years ago that I read a book of about 300/400 page written by a Parsee Dastur; I have forgotten his name; he wrote that the Arabs at that time were the most democratic people and they succeeded because the Sassanid empire had already ruined its spirit and the society got corrupted.

              Muhammad did not force anybody to convert to his religion; he did not kill anybody to convert to his religion. In fact he upheld freedom of religion and freedom of expression more than it is now in the West. It was the power or gravitational pull of his character, his morals and his teachings that people rallied around him. Those who belong to the powers that be did not accept him and were afraid that he would turn everything upside down; it was only their fear he had no such intention.
              Muhammad did not attack Persia; in fact he loved Nausherwan the Just and was proud of being born in his time, Hejaz was under subjugation of Persia; who had a governor in Yemen.

              It was at a later time that it happened; not in Muhammad’s time or under his direct orders ; so it is beside the point of our discussion. We restrict ourselves to the roots only.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

              1. mohitmisra profile image61
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Why would anyone undertake such a perilous journey if they were safe in their place. Many went into hiding in the mountains and caves and surfaced when things had cooled down, the beheading.

                I agree Muhammad never forced anyone , the master stood for religious tolerance.The problem is the metaphors and depth of the holy passages have been taken literally at times and been misconstrued.

                Muhammad was a great Prophet like Jesus but sadly their teachings have led to a lot of bloodshed and wars with zealots Christians and Muslims.

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                  paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi friends

                  It is no fault of Quran/Islam/Muhammad ; they stand very clear.

                  Thanks

                  1. skyfire profile image72
                    skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    It is fault of islam, people represent islam more than mohammad and quran.

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            skyfireposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Is this a joke or something ? My city was blasted by islamics few month earlier. With people like zakir naik and mujahadin group you are telling me that islam is spreading peacefully ? have you heard about miraj riot which happened in india recently ? heard of 26/11 ? islamics were never peaceful, not in past and not presently. Even your preaching in this forums is offensive just to shove islam down on the rest of the members and to increase the irritating feeling in others.

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      aidanarciaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah!! you are right. All the Muslims live with peace in India. It is quite surprising. India is a democratic country and that makes it the most favorite country for the tourists in the world. I do wanna visit India and experience the spirituality here.
      http://www.articlesbase.com/health-arti … 24982.html

    4. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      About the New World Encyclopedia:

      "This encyclopedia transcends the metaphysical assumptions of both the Enlightenment and Modern Encyclopedias. The originator of this project is Sun Myung Moon."

      smile

  2. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    That's why they've been fighting their bloody religious war in Pakistan and India for at least 200 years.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friends

      It was not for conversion of religion; that is politics. Religion has nothing to do with it.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Religion has always to do with politics. They need the money ! big_smile

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The Skeptics also need money. Don't they ?

          Thanks

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            How much can you lend me ? hmm


            lol

  3. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I guess this says it all.

    Qur’an 5:51 “Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people.”

    Nice broad-minded statement this one! lol Must be what they follow in Pakistan!

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend earnestshub

      A lone verse without the context cannot be understood correctly. It always needs at least five preceding and five following verses to understand the true meanings. Please quote the verses in the context; it will explain the true meaning.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. mevsmyself profile image60
        mevsmyselfposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Here is a webpage that discusses this topic.

        http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran … s-jews.htm

        I think this really clears things up so.

        So Mr. Ahmadi peaceful Muslim. I have noticed that whenever you reply to someone's topic you start with "Hi "FRIEND" "name""

        I highly recommend that you stop using the word Friend when referring to Christians and/or Jews. Because Allah has clearly asked you to not make Christians and Jews friends. And if you disobey his wish, then you know where you are gonna end up. Ya, you got it right. You will be Satan's b****.

        On a more serious note. You don't understand the concept of reading things with an open mind. And from what I know it's not your fault. It is literally impossible for a Muslim to see things from an open mind.

        Let me try to explain you something. When you read something, you are always looking for points and phrases that support your belief. To read something from an open mind will mean you to stop believing in Allah for the moment. Stop believing that Muhammad was the greatest prophet of all times. Now I am not saying that you stop believing these things forever. But just do it for the moment, when you are reading other people's arguments.

        But I know that you will never be able to do so. Because according to your belief system, if you stop believing in Allah even for a second, you will be doomed to burn in hell for eternity. This is the fear that stops you from learning anything that does not support Islam. You just refuse to accept it because if you do, you will be going to hell.

        So in short, what I am saying is get your head out of your a$$.

  4. SiddSingh profile image60
    SiddSinghposted 7 years ago

    You can tout all your foolish notions to you heart's content. But saying that Islam spread "peacefully" in India goes beyond mere foolishness.

    But I can understand that. After all, there are no history lessons in Madrassas. Everyone knows what books you "study" there.

  5. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago

    When the muslims enter India- hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT Indians were massacred.  The women sold into slavery, the offspring were killed, the castles and temples were burned to the ground.  That is fact.

    They killed hundreds and thousands of innocent women and children in the name of peace and God.

    Now you tell me, whats peaceful about that????????tongue

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend ntimatEvolution

      I think you are still confusing peaceful spread of Islam with the political spread of Muslims without any authority from Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

      Peaceful Islam had already spread in Gujrat and Kerala; firmly established peacefully in these parts of India. Please google for it.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't need to google anything.  They didn't.  They killed hundreds of thousand.  Instead of googling, why don't you read your own religions sacred text and historical accounts, from the people who invaded India.

        Not much into studying are you?  Google it.  Please.  Read it on the ancient skin hides, and parchment paper it was written on centuries ago.  Google it.  Whatever.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend IntimatEvolution

          I have googled it for you; you may read if you like; no compulsion.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Islam in Kerala and Tamil Nadu

    Malik Ibn Dinar and 20 other followers of Prophet Muhammad, first landed in Kodungallur in Kerala. Islam received royal patronage in some states here, and later spread to other parts of India. A local ruler gifted Dinar an abandoned Jain temple, where he established the first mosque in the Indian subcontinent in 629 C.E. Islamic scholars consider the mosque the second in the world to offer Jumma Prayer after the mosque in Medina, Saudi Arabia. His missionary team built ten additional mosques along the Malabar coast, including Kollam, Chaliyam, Pantalayini Kollam/Quilandi, Madayi/Pazhayangadi, Srikandhapuram, Dharmadom, Kasaragode,Mangalore, and Barkur. Reportedly, they built the mosques at Chombal, Kottayam, Poovar and Thengapattanam during that period.

    After the fall of Chola Dynasty, the newly formed Vijayanagara Empire invited the Seljuk Turks from the fractions of Hanafi (known as Rowther in South India) for trade relations in 1279 C.E.. The largest armada of Turks traders and missionaries settled in Tharangambadi (Nagapattinam), Karaikal, Muthupet, Koothanallur and Podakkudi. Turks (Rowthers), failing to convert Hindus in Tanjore regions, settled in that area's with their armada, expanding into an Islam community of almost one million Rowthers. These new settlements were now added to the Rowther community. Hanafi fractions, more closely connected with the Turkish than others in South, have fair complexions. Some Turkish Anatolian and Turkish Safavid inscriptions have been found in wide area from Tanjore to Thiruvarur and in many villages. Madras Museum display the inscriptions to the public.

    In the 1300 C.E., Arabs settled in Nagore, Kilakkarai, Adirampattinam, Kayalpatnam, Erwadi and Sri Lanka. They may have been the first Shafi fractions community of Islam, known as Marakkar, in far south and coastal areas of South India. Shafi fractions also have mixed fair and darker complexion from their close connection with the Arabs. Arab traders opened many new villages in those areas and settles, conducting intensive missionary activities along the coast. A number of natives in Malaya and Indonesia embraced Islam. Arabs (Marakkar's) missionaries married local women, converting them to Islam. The Marakkars became one of the largest Islamic communities with almost 2.5 million peoples.
    Sufism and spread of Islam


    The Masjid-i-Jahan Numa

    Sufis played an important role in the spread of Islam in India. Their success in spreading Islam has been attributed to the parallels in Sufi belief systems and practices with Indian philosophical literature, in particular nonviolence and monism. The Sufis' unorthodox approach towards Islam made it easier for Hindus to accept the faith. Hazrat Khawaja Muin-ud-din Chisti, Nizam-ud-din Auliya, Shah Jalal, Amir Khusro, Sarkar Sabir Pak, and Waris Pak trained Sufis for the propagation of Islam in different parts of India.

    Once the Islamic Empire firmly established in India, Sufis invariably provided a touch of color and beauty to what might have otherwise been rather cold and stark reigns. The Sufi movement also attracted followers from the artisan and untouchable communities; they played a crucial role in bridging the distance between Islam and the indigenous traditions. Evidence of fanatical and violent conversions carried out by Sufi Muslims exists. Ahmed Sirhindi, Naqshbandi Sufi passionately advocated peaceful conversion of Hindus to Islam.

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent … Tamil_Nadu

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    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  7. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    I think Islam could be a porno conspiracy. I mean, break "Islam" up and you get "I slam". I mean, what do they slam? Is this alluding to the virgins you receive in heaven? Hmmm

  8. infiniteangles profile image58
    infiniteanglesposted 7 years ago

    I applaud you for your attempt to educate the masses. Good luck with your endeavors

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend infiniteangles

      Thanks for your appreciation.

      Regards

  9. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Muhammad did not force anyone?

    Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend  earnestshub

      To understand the context of the verse, please quote at least five preceding and five following verses; then you will understand the verse and its meaning. Quran is a systematic Word Revealed from the Creator- God Allah YHWH .

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It makes no difference how you try to dodge it, the quoran is full of hate. smile

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend earnestshub

          There are no hate words in Quran. Select a verse and then see its context; at least five verses preceding and five verses following. You will get the true understanding. You are however free to believe whatever you like; no compulsion,

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. Beelzedad profile image61
            Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them"

            Unless the previous verses have redefined 'terror and smite' as peaches and cream, then I would agree with you.

            Unfortunately, they didn't and these words stand on their own. smile

  10. shariquerasheed92 profile image60
    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    The line you posted  is totally out of context.The condition was that muslims were tortured and attacked then ALLAH help them and ordered them to fight. If you don't know then its better to search and then speak.
    And for my fellow countrymen who are saying hindus are broad minded you are the one who burn widows and kill your own daughter.
    If you want to learn more about islam or have any doubt you can contact me but in a peaceful way as islam teaches peace and I an proud to be slave of ALLAH.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      How far do you extend your peace? If Allah asks you to kill, do you not kill as was done in the Quran?

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, we don't want to hear Islamic propaganda, we'll consult history to find out how Islam was spread and how many deaths and destruction it caused.

  11. shariquerasheed92 profile image60
    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    to rad man yes of  course if ALLAH ask us to kill we will.Its His mercy that he have ordered us to do good things if He had ordered us to do even bad things we would because we are His slaves and you too and all that exist. I have a question for you if someone tortures not just you but your entire family friends, your son and your wife died due to them and they still attack you what would you do give them a cheese pizza and say bro I am peaceful I don't fight back then that's just not our style.
    And to troubled man dude you really seems to be in trouble because if you would have read the history form authentic source you wouldn't be saying these words.I am a born muslim but wasn't so serious about religion but recently  I have researched a bit and just fall in love with islam.I would suggest you that its good if you want to read because it will ultimately lead you to what I am saying but just be logical and don't hear from others go through history read it and believe me you will love it.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ahh, I see, so you must agree with those muslim English citizens who hack up the British solder because he was fighting in the middle east for his country? After all they killed him because he was attacking muslims and we know what the Quran says to do about that?

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is why we reject Islam in it's entirety and understand it is very dangerous for mankind and societies.



      Sorry, but no one is torturing me or my family, nor do I know or have ever known anyone whose family has been tortured. Does that happen to you, often? Are there other Muslims who are torturing you? Does it happen daily, weekly, monthly, what?



      History calls what Muslims have done, "The Muslim Conquests" which means Muslims conquered the known world back then only to kill anyone who didn't accept Islam. Those Muslims were told by Allah to kill, and they did, just like you said you would kill if Allah told you to kill.



      No one with a brain in their heads falls in love with an ideology in which a magical super being tells you to kill others.

  12. shariquerasheed92 profile image60
    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    I don't know what the condition was there and you must remember Islam is perfect our beloved Prophet is perfect but muslims are not perfect you cannot judge Islam on the basis of the one following it but you should go for what it teaches.
    And the thing you saying that its given in Quran and you know it so for that I have already told you the condition His wife and daughter and many companions died and they still attacked them.
    In begining they show patience because they were ordered to and then they fight when they were ordered to.
    And what you know about Islam its the only religion which taught rules even in times of war like you can't kill females nor children you cannot cut trees you cannot break houses and many more.
    Whats your slogan for fight "there's no rule in love and war" so I think its quite clear who is peaceful.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It appears to me from the Quran that if you are a peaceful Muslim you are not a good muslim, but if you are in fact peaceful you are a good person, but a bad Muslim.

      Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home).

      Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

      Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

      Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"


      Now to your point of the rules of war.

      Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)."

      Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers.  His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."


      To make matters worse.

      Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Both have shown only conflict and war. We judge Islam on things their followers would do and say, like killing other people because your god told you to kill.



      If a religion teaches you what to do in war, then it is a religion of war and should be banned.

      1. amer786 profile image80
        amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Hello Troubled Man, May God’s Peace and Blessings be upon you:

        The moral questions surrounding war are is it necessary? Are all avenues to avoid exhausted? Is it justified? What are the moral grounds? And code of conduct during war is important. How do we treat POWs? Are reasonable attempts at ceasing hostilities made? How the victorious should behave with rights due to the conquered. Why would a moral code, which is what religion enjoins upon us, not address these points? I believe all religions in some manner touch upon the concept of war. Take the event of AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem as prophesized by Jesus (pbuh) by the Romans through an act of war. Most commentators agree that this was a punishment and an act of God. How do you view this event?

        And, why should those on the right side of a war not fight with vigor and valor and bravery when protecting morality and rights and freedoms enjoined by God Almighty as emphasized in the Holy Quran.

        I don’t know what you religious or philosophical orientation is, perhaps you would care to elaborate. But, you apparently harbor a terrible hatred for Islam and Muslims. With the acts of some so-called Muslims today I cannot fully blame you.

        If you are truly studying history, I would urge you to consider Muhammd’s (pbuh) conquest of Mecca when he forbade any form of revenge or atrocity against those who had severely persecuted him and fought wars against him. He never even took revenge against the town of Taif where he was stoned out bleeding when he went there to preach. Look into the Caliph Omar’s conquest of Jerusalem when he resurrected the shrine of Solomon, restored the city and permitted Jews to re-settle there and resume their holy patronage of Jerusalem. Consider when Saladin conquered Jerusalem back from the Christian Crusaders who had slaughtered every defenseless Muslim there upon their conquest. Historians and eye-witnesses from the time chronicled the scenes as ‘eyes dazed at the streets running with rivers of blood’. Yet Saladin again took no revenge and instead offered safe haven exit to the Christians in the city fearful of revenge. Now, I am sure there are stories of a violent nature too by Muslim conquerors. But this is not about religious doctrine. These are acts of people and by applying religious doctrine we can determine if they are acting according to religious teaching or out of political/selfish gain or some warped misinterpretation of selected isolated verses of scripture.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image61
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks, but I don't want anything from your God other than to disappear entirely.



          No, it creates them and provides all the necessary moral grounds for war, along with the intolerance, hatred and oppression Islam provides.



          Many do, that's why they must be rejected.



          Religiously indoctrinated beliefs controlling humans causing good people to do bad things, just like Islam.



          Because, those who believe that any side of a war is the right side in the name of their God are not brave or valorous, they are liars and cowards.



          All religions should go the way of the dodo.



          No, I don't, I simply understand Islam causes conflict and wars, hence it should be banned.

          1. amer786 profile image80
            amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Sir, you may wish for and hate and despise all that you care to. You can choose to accept all the examples of history that serve your psyche and reject all that don’t-- that has nothing to do with rationality, knowledge, and truth. Your stance in light of what people have done in the name of religion is perhaps understandable. But hatred, bias and innuendo achieve naught. If you are averse to conventional religion, I hope you still reflect on life, nature and the cosmos with a view that there has to be an All-Powerful God capable of such inscrutable creation. And where could one’s salvation lie other than with one’s creator.

            I hope we can find some common ground.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I have no idea what you're talking about.



              But, that is what your religious teaches amongst other things, hatred and bias.



              That is nothing but a childish fantasy. There is only nature.

              1. amer786 profile image80
                amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I see. God and religion are children’s fantasy. Nature is the way. The laws of nature and biological organisms just happened to form themselves. Trees, plants, and the earth just happened to figure how to produce fruit and vegetables nutritious to independent biological organisms. Atmospheric pressure and blood-pressure just ‘happened’ to calibrate themselves so we can function on earth. Trees just happened to figure out that they better recycle carbon monoxide back into oxygen so human lungs can keep consuming oxygen and exhale carbon monoxide. Gravity created itself so the universe could function. Genetics just happened to figure out codes and information that provide instructions to biological cells in a highly complex system that produces biological organisms like human beings. Conscience and emotion are also perhaps just arbitrary phenomena that came about on their own. Let us leave all that aside for now.

                Please answer me this question. Per my note above, if the teaching of Islam and Quran are nothing but hatred and bias then why would Muhammad (pbuh) forgive the Meccans he conquered? Why did the Caliph Omar rebuild Jerusalem and honor the Jewish heritage there? Why did Saladin forgive the Christians who had massacred Muslims in Jerusalem?

                Can you please specifically answer this question-- If Islam is about violence and hatred, why would these Muslims personalities behave in such way?

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I love the fact that you are under the assumption that all this is for humans. Perhaps it's for all the creatures who out number us. Perhaps you god created the universe for cockroaches as they are perfectly designed to live in this environment?


                  It's easy to forgive those that were concurred. It's more difficult to forgive those who concurred you.


                  If Islam is about about love and acceptance the why would British Muslims kill a British solder.
                  http://news.yahoo.com/2nd-uk-soldier-sl … 59630.html

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                    amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I never assumed. You assumed that I assumed. Indeed, God’s creatures are co-inhabitants of this universe and they deserve every respect as such, even cockroaches. I would say He created the universe for us all. But given all the faculties that we have been endowed with it wouldn’t be out of order to say we are favored.

                    Your second paragraph doesn’t make sense. Are you trying to say ‘conquered’, instead of ‘concurred’ ?? If so, in case of Muhammad(pbuh), Omar (who was Muhammad’s companion), and Saladin—they all came to rule those who ruled them (in Saladin’s case he was one or two generations after the Muslims who were massacred by crusaders in Jerusalem but the event given its gravity was very fresh for those of his time). I think the acts of Muhammad (pbuh), Omar, and Saladin count as greater validation for Islam than the miscreant in London destined to go down in history as nothing more than a murderer.

                    The thing is that The Quran doesn’t say if you grow a beard, recite verses, are able to shout ‘Allah-o-Akbar’ and commit crimes then you are still good to go. In fact, it says that there are certain people who supposedly pray and give charity that are still hell-bound. It prophesizes that people will abandon the teachings of the Quran. It teaches that if you don’t study and follow the Quran but follow clerics blindly then these things will happen. It explains what begets evil and what begets goodness.

                    If you want to equate such people as the so-called British Muslim with Muhammad (pbuh), Omar, and Saladin, so be it. If you want to pull every news item on miscreants calling themselves Muslims and link it to Islam, it yours. If the media is your Bible, so be it. But if you want to study The Quran and supplicate to the Creator to manifest as sign for you if He is out there, then that is your call too.

                    n the end, it’s your own choice and my own choice.  If God exists and He is out there and He has created a criteria that leads to a Heaven or a Hell, then we will see it. Simple.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Absolutely.



                  You are not quite correct regarding those particular points, but they are near enough correct to warrant how the universe works, without gods.



                  Is that some kind of joke? Those Muslims laid siege to, conquered and slaughtered the people in those cities because of Islam.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    Rad man nice but now lets understand when these verses were revealed and what they actually mean in what sense as Quran is revealed in arabic not in english and arabic language is so srich that sometimes it need a para to explain a word.Since I too is not a much knowledgeble muslim but I would try my best.
    Quran (4:95)-First its not for those who are disabled.
    Now it refers to those who did not go to the battle of Badr and those who went to Badr.
    Just check out what happens in battle of badr.The muslims were appx 300 and pagans were 3000 so sir I don't think you are trying to say 300 who all are not even fighter by profession neither have much military aid standing in front of 3000 trained military with best weapons exploited them and do wrong with them.Com'mon try to be logical if you  have ans reply.
    It was a test from ALLAH that who are strong in  their faith,do you think that ALLAH needs them to punish the pagans no way He was testing the Muslims.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      He has tested the Muslims by seeing if they will kill others for him? You don't see any problem with that?

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The test is of how strong is their faith standing in front of huge army do you trust ALLAH that HE can protect you and make you victorious that was the test.
        And who was killed they were the one who used to bury their daughters alive and do many mischief, today why you punish the criminals it seems you  are not that peaceful as much you are claiming because then you must pat on their shoulder and say no problem brother kill someone else.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Don't you think a God can do his own killing? Telling solders to kill in the name of God is propaganda. Mohammad was a military leader who understood that and used it. If your book is peaceful and tells you not to kill and then goes about telling you when and how to kill, you've got a contradiction to deal with.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Incoming Islamic propaganda alert!!

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    By the way amer786 Assalamwalaikum
    Now Rad man next ayah which you have posted
    Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    This is the translation written by you I am not editing it.
    You yourself has written the word punishment.
    Punish in cambridge advanced learner's dictionary means-    to cause someone who has done something wrong or committed a crime to suffer, by hurting them, forcing them to pay money, sending them to prison, etc.
    And then you have written wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land, so sir where is your mind I feel you are in favour of Islam you yourself is quoting the crime and the punishment.
    What you think ALLAH has created you and everything that exist and will leave it to do what it wills,no He has created us to worship Him and to obey Him and we will be rewarded or punished according to our acts.
    The thing is simple and clear but people don't agree because then you have to refrain from many of your ill desires like drinking alcohol and many others.
    And you have also mentioned that I may be a peaceful person but not good muslim but that's can be true as Islam means -
    1)Surrender to ALLAH
    2)Submission to His command
    3)Obedience to Quran and  Sunnah
    4)Sincerity in heart
    5)Peace
    and my aim is to be a good muslim.

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      amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Walikum salaam Shariquerasheed92, and Jazakallah for your comment.

      It is only reflective on the people who care to pull four or five verses out of 6,348 in The Holy Quran to serve their view. This only reflects their own shallowness and hollow perspectives. They will never point to the myriad pledges, treaties, accords, pacts etc. that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions secured in order to promote peace, harmony and mutual respect. These are known to the first acts of a federation-like constitution that promoted social order. They will not bring up the 'Charter of Privileges' delivered to St. Catherine's Monastery  at Mt. Sinai instructing all Muslims never to bring down a Church or cause ill to Christians on the basis of religion. And as you rightly pointed out that the few verses of the Quran that their vision is limited to also have great context. These conflicts with disbelievers occurred to uphold freedom of religion, human rights, justice, and a social order that was fair to all not just the privileged tribes of Mecca. Naturally, these feudal tribes with their pagan orders wanted to destroy Islam before it made a foothold. And they made great endeavors to raise armies and conspiracies to destroy Islam. They did not want to lose their power system through feudalism, idolatry, and dictatorial rule with no regard for law, justice and order. But, since Muhammad (pbuh) was from among them, and he made the call that he was a messenger of the Almighty creator of Heavens and Earth, how could this not strike terror in their hearts. Surely, the creator of the Heavens and Earth can grant his messenger victory in the battlefield.

      Regrettably, the so-called Muslims of this age are to blame as well. 

      I urge people to undertake due study and build due perspective. Rejecting a religion and its scripture is anyone's right. But reading four verses out of 6,000+ to cast verdict is more like the terrorists than upholders of freedom. It is unintelligent, devoid of knowledge and perspective. It dishonors and disregards freedom and dignity itself.

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        A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Would those be the pledges, treaties, accords and pacts Muhammad made for the corpses he created wherever he and his army went to spread Islam?



        That is not true, it is Muhammad who raised armies from his followers to destroy those who didn't accept Islam.



        Muhammad was a liar, a fraud and a despot. He was no messenger, he was a murderer.



        It doesn't matter how many verses one uses out of the Quran, that is entirely irrelevant. If those verses cannot stand on their own, then they are useless.

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          shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Shut up and speak as much as is good don't cross the limits.
          And He hasn't taken anything for himself after all these victories and all the condition of His home was that there was no food for days,
          He could have lived the life of a king He has so much under Him but he doesn't as that was a selfless act done for the sake of ALLAH.

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Or what?

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              shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Dude we are not allowed to abuse as our religion forbids us to lets see or what I can't speak ill words about anyone like you do for our beloved Prophet.
              Conversation is closed from my side I can't talk to a person who can't stand on his own words,speaking on peace on one side and saying ill words and encouraging to fight on other side.
              And when we fight you say we spread terror.

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                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You are abusing our intellects by lying about the Quran revealing science and within the same breath, tell us that evolution has been proven wrong.

                Our intellects, having been pummeled profusely from this onslaught of ridiculous fabrications, applies the facts of the world around us to start the healing process for our shattered intellects.

                Then, you begin to fight in order to defend Islam and your lies.

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            A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I am speaking about a great evil in our world called religion, Islam is but one of those great evils that plagues mankind, teaches good people (like yourself) to do bad things (lie about facts) and makes them ignorant to the world around them.



            He did live like a king and killed anyone who got in his way, he created a religion called Islam in order to fool his followers into believing his atrocities were all for the sake of ALLAH. Typical despot.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    Rad man lets take the next ayah
    Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
    I don't understand after reading this ayah and even believing in it  how have you not reverted to Islam.
    This ayah is also revealed at the time of war the muslims were few and the disbelieverare many and the conditions was same as I had mentioned earlier so ALLAH helped them by casting terror in the hearts of disbeliever so that muslims can win.
    Now the point is as you had said there is only nature than how ALLAH cast terror in their hearts.
    Just imagine casting terror in the heart of a much bigger army standing against smaller army only our Creator can do as He have the complete control.
    Your problem is your biased reasoning and if not you have many times mentioned the case of a british soldier then what about thousands of people including children and females and they were even not soldiers just common people killed in palestine, you don't care.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    Rad man now next ayah
    Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

    As I have told you this world is a test for everyone of us and ALLAH has send Quran for our guidance.
    So here is the guideline that what jews said and what christians sayis false as ALLAH has made clear that He has not taken anyone as son so He is telling us the punishment which we would have to go if we believed in what jews and christian believed.
    If your teacher tells you in advance that if you fail you will not graduate neither get job and have to suffer so prepare for exam will you say my teacher he just hates me or you will say he is good he had given me advice in advance or later I shall suffer.
    Just an example you can't compare it with that as the matter is bog and so is the punishment and so is the advice holds such a great value.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is a very bad teacher who should be ignored.

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Oh I can't believe you would regard such a teacher who warns you for your benefit as bad.
        Troubled man it seems your sense of logic has disappeared I don't feel your own friends will agree with you on this point.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          If your teacher tells you to jump of a bridge for your own good, do you jump?

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            shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Don't you have any sense of reasoning
            How can you compare a teacher who ask you to study else you will fail with one who ask you to jump off the bridge.
            By the way if ALLAH ask me to jump even off the mount everest I would because I know He is the most merciful and  He never leaves His slaves so He will surely protect me.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              So Muslims never get sic like the rest of us? Are Muslims immune from cancer?

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              If my Grade 9 science teacher told me to study a book that says evolution has been proven wrong I'd have a laugh.

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Good teachers don't tell their students such things. Of course, you may never have experienced learning from a good teacher so you wouldn't know one if you stepped on one.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    Anyone having any more questions go on I am too learning a lot replying to you.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You are not answering questions, you are spreading Islamic propaganda.

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        That you do use words,if that's not answer it seems you are not a good student and I don't feel you haven't read that as you are too lazy to do so.
        The only thing you can do is watch tv and criticise.

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You are not a teacher, you are a propagandist spreading lies.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    now rad man rules of war-
    He was asked that if at night we don't know whether there are children and women then what to do.
    This itself shows that they were forbidden to kill them that's why they are taking the precaution asking him else why would they ask they have done what other armies do like in palestine ,afghanistan,syria,
    in india in gujrat kill them  all.
    The weak (i.e. women, children and the elderly) are not to be aimed at, unless they fight, or mix with the fighters, in such a way as to make it impossible for the [Muslims] to fight without killing them.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, you would fight women and children, and kill them too, all in the name of Allah. Disgusting religion.

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        And what you do is quite obvious in Palestine kill them all.
        And they kill when there was no option.
        Just reply to this it is not related to above matter but a common question.
        If a girl hit you with a knife trying to kill you what would you do??

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Take away the knife, obviously. Of course, you would have no hesitation but to kill her, right?

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    Sir rad and all the other peaceful guys out there now its your turn I am quoting some verses form your books now clarify them-
    Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
    [Numbers 31:17-18]

    And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
    [Ezekiel 9:5-6]

    And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
    [Joshua 6:17-21]

    Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
    [1 Samuel 15:3]

    Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
    [Hosea 13:16]

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Rad man doesn't believe neither your nonsense nor the nonsense books you quoted. In fact no rational human being takes seriously the ancient books which contain as much as nonsense as facts (except those historians who study the lifestyle and beliefs of ancient people).

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry, that's not my book. That one is just as bad as your book.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    Admit it you don't have any answer.
    And then rational human being what you believe are you evolved from apes????

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Answer for what? Idiots who follow other humans blindly has killed through out the centuries. At present the major chunk of violence is by the followers of islam. As long as people follow nonsense perpetuated by religions there is bound to be conflict.
      Evolved from apes? That depends on what you mean by "ape". But certainly I'm not 'created' by a violent raving maniac.

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        What I mean by ape is the animal which charles darwin claims that humans are evolved from.So have you evolved from it???

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          No, Darwin said no such thing. He said we have common ancestors millions of years ago and genetic evidence as well as fossil evidence back him up.

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, we have a common ancestor with apes. Is that a problem for you and your religion, your propaganda?

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      And I suppose the earth is shaped like an egg?


      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7167568_f248.jpg

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The line you are quoting is a translation I would tell you what it means and by the way when the verse was revealed earth was considered as flat so how could a person from arab could exactly define the shape of earth if it was not revealed from god to him,have any common sense than use it.
        The line you quoted  Sura 79:30 reads

            Wal'arda ba'da dhalika dahaha
        The key word in the above verse is “dahaha”. In Arabic, there is a phrase, “iza dahaha” which means “when he throws the stones over the ground to the hole”. The hole is called “Udhiyatun”. “Almadahi” signify round stones according to the size of which a hole is dug in the ground in which the stones are thrown in a game. “Almadahi” also signify a round thing made of lead by the throwing of which persons contend together. So there is a signification of ROUNDNESS in the root of the word “dahaha”. According to some etymologists, the word for the “egg of an ostrich” also has the same root as “dahaha”. They also take from this that the earth is of the shape of the egg of an ostrich. Latest science findings confirm that the earth is not exactly spherical but the earth is an ellipsoid, i.e. flattened by its poles,[ just like the shape of an egg of an ostrich].
        Now any other question Mr peaceful radical.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          http://s4.hubimg.com/u/8055147_f248.jpg

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            shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Great is Brother Zakir was holding a 3-D hologram machine in his talk,
            no way It has been edited by some one like you to misguide others he has just spoken the words whose meaning I had clarified you.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, you said the earth is in fact shaped like an egg. That is a lie as you can see from the picture the earth is not at all shaped like any egg. And at that time the roundness of the earth was well know in the middle east, but not in Europe.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The answer is obvious, your religion and other Abrahamic religions are dangerous.



      Men and apes had a common ancestor. Is there a problem with that fact?

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yes ofcourse it don't seems that you have done your studies well as darwin's theory has been failed a long ago.
        And everything about it and how it failed was in my class 9 science book.
        You don't know such a basic thing and talking on matters so big.
        Now who is believing blindly ?????

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Ah, more lies. Allah will deal with liars.



          Sorry, but science books teach evolution, not showing it as failed. That is obviously not a science book.



          YOU.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    Oh then ans for what happening in palestine,syria,afghanistan,gujrat and many other muslim countries.
    Who is the real terrorist its quite clear.

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      What has has Palestine got to do with anything we discuss?
      Gujarat? It's just the follow up of Aurengazeb and his kins. But just because there are other fools who does violence by following some other nonsensical book, how will that justify the violence advocated in your book?
      Just as I said before,  violence will abate only when people stop stop following other idiots who follow violence and create division between humans based on "faith".

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        That's nice kill a soldier a big deal kill muslim civilians in lakhs not a problem dude,,, that's sir peacefull radicle riddle thought.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    I feel now you are diverting from your own point,a bit ago you were saying Islam is spreading terror which is by the way not true now you says every  religion do the same then why were you foccussing only on Islam.
    And then I would like to know what's your belief.

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I said islam is the major violent religion at present. And I also said any fool who blindly follow others, believing all the nonsense they say in the name of god, are prone for violence as they do not think and there are no exceptions though those who follow islam has a higher propensity for violence "at present" including violent reactions against 'heresies' (if it is any consolation,  when Europe was in its dark ages islam was the peaceful light bearer while the Christians, the violent villains against humanity).[In your example Palestine is a fight between two nations, the talliban are indeed terrorists, and syria is not about religion and india is regularly pestered with islamic terrorists (in fact some people even feel that Gujarat is a backlash against that though it was directed against its own country men. But again some muslims are the forerunner for that to, reacting against any 'atrocities(including cartoons) against islam even if it is not their concern and their own nation is at peace - the "universal muslim brotherhood" reaction,  though all humans are brothers. )
      So once more I tell you, there is no need to justify your religion,  it was not peaceful from its inception,  but neither there is any need to justify others for as long as religions exist they will keep humans backward and divide one against the other.
      My belief?  Didn't I just tell you that it is only fools who hold belief where one can rationally think?

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        Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        These poor people are dangerous because they admit they would kill if Allah asked, so all they need is for someone to show a passage that indicates Allah wants them to kill. They admit to being slaves to Allah.

        What they fail to understand is that just like the OT Mohammad made his version of God up to inspire his people for war. If they were taught to think for themselves they would understand that none of the science of the Quran is remotely correct and that would be an indication to a thinking person that the Quran wasn't divinely written.

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          riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          And to think that once islam was more scientific than even the Europeans!
          But it's an example,  an example that shows that even an advanced civilisation can become backward and behave like barbarians if the leaders are not careful enough and cater to religious fanatics for power. Those nations that try to ingratiate themselves to the fundamentalists among them should study from this example.

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No islam do not spread terror but only its followers. An idea by itself cannot do any harm unless someone subscribe to it and act on it.

      It's not me but you who are concentrating on islam. You are the one who try to sell it saying it's peaceful.
      And the topic "peaceful spread of islam in India" is also wrong as half of the early ones are spread by the sword and the other half by inducements in the form of an improvement in social hierarchy. Those who converted because of the 'merit' are very few and the malabar Muslims are mostly arabs who translocated from Arabia.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Islam doesn't have a monopoly on being dangerous to society, all religions do. We are not just focusing on Islam, but it just so happens you and other Muslims are hear to spread lies and propaganda at this time.

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        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Oho lies just go on my all lines and point a lie in it the lies and propaganda is spread by media and we are clearing the doubts.

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    shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago

    I don't understand who is a fool, according to you I feel the one who follows someone blindly and I too agree with it,but the point is who here is following someone blindly.
    First there are many things that science has discovered now which is Quran revealed 1400 years ago,if you want I could tell you many of them but it would be better if you search on youtube Quran and science.
    And a challenge for you and whole world prove a verse of Quran to be wrong and I will agree with you because I don't follow anything blindly and neither Islam tells this that's why Quran is full of evidence over evidence over evidence.
    So it seems fools are those who follow media blindly and other fools.
    And the case of osama bin laden the wtc case so that was a big planned conspiracy but you would hear the media.
    Just use your unbiased reasoning in that attack almost 400 muslims died and none of the jews showed  up that day in office how could all of them got on leave at the same time but I feel poor people don't have mind to think.
    Do what you want to do don't think we are spreading our Islam because we need you or Islam needs you but its like ALLAH has gifted us with something very special and ordered us to share.
    Our duty is done as we have shared the message now its upon you accept it or don't you have to ans for your deeds on the day of judgement.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      YOU are.



      We have heard those lies from other Muslims. Are you going to start repeating them here, too?



      The only duty you have shown is the spreading of lies and propaganda. Allah will deal with those liars.

      1. shariquerasheed92 profile image60
        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ya sure we all will be present on the day of judgement and will see who is a lier and who is true believer,  And yes some lies but its your duty to go and check but you are too lazy to do so.

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Your lies have already been checked, that's why they're lies. smile

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, the Quran teaches that the earth is shaped like an egg. The earth is nothing like any egg at all.
      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7167220_f248.jpg

      The Quran teaches that night and day are caused by the Sun's orbit. That's completely false and no mention of the earth's rotation or orbit was given.

      1. shariquerasheed92 profile image60
        shariquerasheed92posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        To the shape of egg I had replied above check that,
        And for the mention for earth rotation and orbit
        36:40
        It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day, and they all swim in an orbit.

        21:33
        It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (of them) swim in an orbit.
        So any other doubt it is clearly given for what you were asking.
        Just don't copy and paste from sites use your own brain and study give some time.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Yes no mention of the earths orbit or rotation being responsible for the night and day? Only the Sun and Moon's orbit. You understand that the moons orbit is not responsible for night or day and the Sun's orbit around the centre of our Galaxy takes billions of years so that orbit has nothing to do with anything pertaining to night or day. The description is clearly describes the sun and moons rotation around the earth being responsible for night and day.

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            amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Instead of arguing among ourselves, why not ask the real scientists themselves, those who have the true esoteric knowledge . . .

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUUPYs0g … p;index=34

            I say, they hold much greater weight than any of us.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Where did you find those clips for the 70's? I just showed you that the Quran says that night and day is a result of the sun and moons orbit with no mention of the earth orbit and you post that old garbage?

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                amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You can take it as garbage if you want, don't bother me, entirely up to you. I take solace in people like Jeffrey Lang, the famous mathematician and other scientists who have accepted Islam per the scientific evidence.

                Can you please post the verse of the Quran that says that the alteration of the day and night are specifically as a result of the orbit of the sun and the moon, thank you.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  That is a lie. There is no mathematical or scientific evidence in Islam. That is indeed garbage. And, we understand that does not bother the propagandist.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  -sura 14, verse 33:
                  "For you (God) subjected the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses. And for you He subjected the night and the day."

                  --sura 21, verse 33:
                  "(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion."

                  --sura 36, verse 40:
                  "The sun must not catch up the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion."

                  "It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its orbit." (21:33)

                  "By the sun and its radiant brightness; By the moon as she follows him." (91:1-2)

                  This last one kills me. Sorry, the sun doesn't follow the moon, it looks like it does from earth, but it doesn't.

                  "It is Allah Who hath created the heavens and the earth and sendeth down rain from the skies......... He has made subject to you, the night and the day; the sun and the moon; and the stars in subjection by His command." (14:32-33)

              2. amer786 profile image80
                amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Oh btw, here is another video by former Christian preacher turned Muslim speaking of scientific evidence in The Quran detailing geological peculiarities of the earth's waters and yes, the orbits of the celestial bodies. Here, he also mentions the 'rotation' of the earth.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOpEDw__sIQ

                But of course, to you all this nothing more than garbage.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, those videos are garbage because they are specifically created to spread lies and propaganda. There is no scientific evidence in the Quran.

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I disagree, there is plenty of evidence in the Quran and proves Mohammad had no idea what he was talking about. BTW, hows the weather there?

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't care what he says about the earths rotation, I want to know what the Quran says about the earths rotation and orbit. Show me where the Quran talks about the earths rotation and orbit?

                  1. amer786 profile image80
                    amer786posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Forget it, it's not going to make any difference. If the testimony of scientists is garbage, then that settles it. There is a short very apt chapter of The Quran for such situations. The Quran, with all its beauty and brilliance, shines heavenly light even in subtle pronouncements when not disclosing facts about the earth, heavens, and human beings. Here is where we are at . . .Chapter 109: "The Disbelievers":

                    "Say, O ye who disbelieve,
                    I worship not that which you worship,
                    Nor worship you what I worship,
                    And I am not to worship that which you worship
                    Nor will you worship what I worship
                    For you your religion, for me my religion"

                    Yes, better we talk about the weather. Bright and sunny as always out here, temperatures have been edging higher and its hot in the afternoon. But the breezy seventy degrees later afternoons and early evenings are a slice right out of heaven.

                    God bless.

            2. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              lol Sorry, we don't get our facts from Islamic propaganda youtube videos, thanks.

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      How about this for blindly following, "we are spreading our Islam because we need you or Islam needs you but its like ALLAH has gifted us with something very special and ordered us to share"


      I would like to know which are the things that "science has discovered now which is quran revealed", is it about the different galaxies, the dual nature of light, DNA and genetics and virus and prions, evolution, polymers, radioactivity, climatic change, bacteria and antibiotics and other various drugs, computer and internet?
      Is there anything that which was NOT known to the people of then but was known only to the followers of islam clearly and unambiguously(that is, not where the meanings of the words are NOT manipulated to fit the later scientific discoveries) 


      Evidence of what? Other than it tells about the life and beliefs of Arabs 1000 years before, what does it tell us? About a non-existing sky dad? Isn't that enough to tell that its all wrong?
      And Rad Man is repeatedly posting how your book says earth is like an egg and all yo have is that the sound can also mean ellipsoid? Did any of the followers knew what the exact shape of earth before science discovered it?


      Is this an example "that attack almost 400 muslims died and none of the jews"?

      Muslims do make less than 5% of American population and if 400 muslims died that will make the percentage of muslims above 10% of total dead. So were the muslims knew about that attack before hand and flocking there to get martyrdom? Isn't there something in your book against lying?
      Again even if your counts are correct, how does that make the act less dastardly or not perpetrated by a muslim?


      Just because you blindly follow a book written 1400 years back without questioning anything written in it, or without stopping even to think whether it is logical, I'm not going to believe your nonsense, Thanks. I still have a brain that can analyse all the statements put forward to me before accepting or rejecting it.

  24. Mathew James profile image80
    Mathew Jamesposted 3 years ago

    Allah guides who He wants to the right path.  If Allah does not guide a person, there is nothing a person can do to find the right path.

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      riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The Christians says it is Yahweh, but I say it is the turkey up in the sky. So what say you, to my turkey?

      1. Mathew James profile image80
        Mathew Jamesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        your turkey and my turkey are both created by the same One

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          riddle666posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You are insulting the great Turkey who created the whole world, who himself is non-created. Well, Turkey guides who He wants to the right path.  If Turkey does not guide a person, there is nothing a person can do to find the right path.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      They can find their own path so they don't have to lie.

 
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