Our friend crmhaske is right; I am not enlightened one. Gandhi was only a worldly politician; also not enlighetened one, in the sense he never received Word of Revelation from the Creator-God allah YHWH.
It is no harm for the enlightened to say to others to follow them as they are the saviours. Aaron and Moses asked people to follow them, for that reason:
[20:89] Then he produced for them a calf — an image producing a lowing sound. And they said, ‘This is your God, and the God of Moses.’ So he gave up the religion of Moses. [20:90] Could they not see that it returned to them no answer, and had no power to do them either harm or good? [20:91] And Aaron had said to them before this, ‘O my people, you have only been tried by means of it (the calf). And surely, the Gracious God is your Lord; so follow me and obey my command.’ [20:92] They replied, ‘We shall not cease to worship it until Moses return to us.’ [20:93] Moses said, “O Aaron, what hindered thee, when thou didst see them gone astray, [20:94] ‘From following me? Hast thou then disobeyed my command?’ [20:95] He answered, “O son of my mother seize me not by my beard, nor by the hair of my head. I feared lest thou shouldst say, ‘Thou hast caused a division among the children of Israel, and didst not wait for my word.’”
Not one truly enlightened person has said "you must follow me only or else." Any one who says that is not enlightened. It is one thing to say "hey, I have something to say, follow me" and another completely to say "if you don't follow me you'll regret it."
The latter are the made up words of the followers, not the followed.
May be the teachings they follow being from Buddha are not his teachings. This is the focal point to be ascertained with peaceful discussion.
This has happened many a time.
The Jews and Christians think that Genesis was written by Moses; while it is not.
The Christians think that the Gospels are inspired by Jesus; no it is written by the scribes who never believed in Jesus; they were the deserters and while writing they were influenced by Paul and the Church; in fact these gospels were anonymous writings only ascribed to the scribes to add credulity.
I don't get your point. You don't believe MANY things from or about the Bible, so your comments hold very little credibility in my view.
All of Christianity relies on the death and resurrection of Jesu Christ (which you deny), so what else would we expect from you. Oh, and if you DID believe, then it would make you a Christian, which you are not. As your signature clearly states.
BTW, Mohammed didn't write the Koran, his followers did many years later. So why believe that has not been tampered with also?
Just because they do not fit your worldview, that does not make them wrong. Buddha may have been a man of wisdom, but he was also a human like the rest of us. As such he was subject to the same desires, temptations, and emotions that we are (pre-enlightenment). He was fallible no different than all humans are fallible.
Copied from what I wrote on your other Buddha thread:
"In the Buddha's time there would have been no need to record anything because he was alive and well. His teachings couldn't be forgotten or distorted because he was there to spread them. I don't think the Buddha intended for an entire religious system to be formed around his teachings as he believed each person should seek out the truth for themselves. He believed no scripture should replace that individual quest for truth.
That being said, after 400 years I'm sure there was a lot of division amoungst followers of the Buddha, and so the First Buddha Council came together to unite the followers with a written scripture. While I'm sure a good portion of the Buddha's original teachings were preserved, one must always keep in mind that it was a council of direct descendants of the Buddha's disciples that decided what was and was not an original teaching of the Buddha.
How do I know for certain? Well, I don't, but nobody knows very much for certain. I can only do what the Buddha taught to do, seek the truth for myself.
Muhammad, your prophet, was alive in a different time. In the Buddha's time not many people would have known how to read and so recording his teachings would have been useless. The Brahmans may have been capable of reading, but the Buddha rejected everything they stood for. He wanted to teach to the layman not to some elite class.
In the time of your prophet reading was a lot more common. Your Qu'ran is believed to have been written by Muhammad himself, but the man was illiterate. You have no proof that he actually wrote it himself, and must take it on faith alone that he did. Not only that, but he is not alive today. You have no way of knowing for certain that the Qu'ran you have now is the same Qu'ran that Muhammad supposedly wrote. Just as I have to take it on faith that the Pali Canon is the Buddha's original teachings, you have to take it not only take it on faith that your Qu'ran is the same Qu'ran that was first recorded, but also that an illiterate Muhammad wrote it."
A weird definition of selfish. How return to normal life is selfish? Abnormality cannot generate wisdom; it is all from the Buddhists not from Buddha. Please quote from Buddha for such claims and reasons.
I don't need to quote from the Buddha, I have a brain myself that I know how to use.
It would have been selfish to obtain wisdom, and then just go home without sharing that message. It would have also been selfish to expect his family to uproot themselves and follow him on his quest to teach his message. Furthermore, his wife and child would have been well taken care of in his palace, he didn't just abandon them with nothing.
What is a family when compared to a whole nation? "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock
Every prophet will work in his own way some will write and some will not. Also parchment ad paper didn't always exist and the oral form of communication was the way.This started with poetry as dohas or couplets ,the most condensed form of philosophy, as this form was easy for the human to memorize and pass on, Like the Zend Avista, the Holy Buddha Sutras, Holy Bhagwat Gita, Holy Ramayana, Holy Guru Granth Sahib etc.
There are some great masters who go into silence and they are still doing there work like the 300 year old Telangi Maharaj who loved Laddus or sweets.
As the story goes; he left his home leaving alone his wife and child; without taking permission from her; she was also a human being needing a husband who would have vowed to become a life partner. I think it is not wise; it is sheer cruelty. It is not the story of my Buddha. It preaches asceticism wich is another form of suicide. It is leading people astray, in my opinion.
You are welcome to bring me on the straight path with reason, rationality and with logical arguments from Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH. You are a nice person and a good teacher. Peace be on you.
All great leaders have never taught "follow me only", their followers made up the "follow him/her only" rule.
Hi friend crmhaske
We are discussing here religios divine leaders or founders of the religons; they did say to follow or obey the teachings revealed on them:
[26:106] The people of Noah treated the Messengers as liars, [26:107] When their brother Noah said to them, ‘Will you not be righteous? [26:108] ‘Surely, I am unto you a Messenger, faithful to my trust. [26:109] ‘So fear Allah, and obey me. [26:110] ‘And I ask of you no reward for it. My reward is only with the Lord of the worlds. [26:111] ‘So fear Allah, and obey me.’ [26:112] They said, ‘Shall we believe thee, when it is the meanest that follow thee?
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