And I am so because one day when I found myself at what I thought was the end of my life, He was there for me, not only to deliver and restore me, but also to reveal Himself to me.
The God whom I'd disregarded for years, had accepted me without hesitation and even in spite of myself. Love is action. Many people say they love us, He's the ONE who proves it. Who wouldn't want to serve a God like that?
Yes he is ever revealing himself to us, and here is what he looks like. Psychotic murdering lunatic that he is!
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
No this is where a so called god's comprehension flys out the window. The expectation of a higher entity would surely include a better understanding, not the understanding that would exclude so very many of his "children" that is completely illogical to me.
BUT - One of the best I have seen around is Taoism, I had a fascinating few hours with a Taoist priest and a Taoist teacher. I was asking about the 'gods' that people keep in their homes in family shrines all around Asia. I just love the idea that you go buy some plastic god with incense burners and little offering bowls attached then set it up in your house and get the local priest in. He then draws down some form of spirit from the 'unknown' and gives it the job of looking after the house. Most of the gods are based on very similar but different Buddhist characters.
What I especially liked - when I asked about the nature of the 'unknown' that they draw the spirits from they both had the same response, a kind of a 'who knows' answer.
If things are not going so good and you live in a 'bad' way you can go chat to your god about it and try to improve, if you are doing everything right and still things are not so good you can evict your god and get another.
I am definately no expert on Taoism but this is the take I got from it - just seems such a sensible way of dealing with the whole out there unknown thing that some see through science, others through god or gods, and others who don't care much anyway.
Taoism is one of those interesting religions that is very tied into culture. It has been influenced a great deal by Buddhism and Confucianism - I wrote a hub about Taoism and Wu Wei two weeks or so ago.
I am Buddhist, but I greatly enjoy some of the Taoism philosophies like the one I wrote my hub on.
I'm a grossly amateur philosopher reading my way through the deep thinkers and great artists, slowly, clumsily, and trying to find some measure of balance between desire and hope as it relates to reason and morality (be it evolved social behavior or divinely inscribed).
Doing so requires not picking A religion, but it certainly discounts none out of hand.
I'm spiritual, but see Mother Earth as my supreme being. She is the ultimate decision maker. Energy plays an important role. I use the Bible sometimes as a sort of road map, but I've traveled my own paths and journeys.
Are you talking about grass stoned or actually having rocks thrown at someone until they are dead? Even today there are sects of some religions that practice the rock throwing you're dead variety. Not a very nice form of execution.
That's a new one. Agnostic Cristian?? I had this wierd understanding that a Christian is a pewrson who is abeliever in, and follower of Jesus Christ, the Son of the living (Creator) God. So, to b agnostic about that is ...I mean words fail me. BTW, Jesus was personally involved in the creation event. So, technically, if you believe in (a) creator, you believe in Jesus Christ.
Agnostic isn't the same as Atheist. An Atheist simply doesn't believe full stop. I believe in Jesus and God but not in any particular Christian structure. So yes aka-dj I do believe in JC. I just have trouble believing in any institution that came after him and operates in his name.
I was raised RC, and I left that Institution. I was never agnostic about it. However, as a believer I (we) belong to the Body of Christ, (the Church), and that is always made up of imperfect people. It's not about putting faith into an institution, but rather adding our gifts to "the body", to benefit all. (BTW, I did not confuse agnostic wtih atheist.)
I can agree with this point of view. It is actualy hard not to. Too many diffrent denominations. And each denomination establishes their own set of rules to follow. Too many choices for what truth is said to be. It seems that few people agree when I say this, and many are tired of hearing it, but here it is again.
To understand the New testament all that is realy necessary is to understand the WORDS WRITTEN IN RED LETTERS. Don't misunderstand me when I say that! To understand it all is a good thing, but most do not.
When Christ delivered a simply stated message, we should not "interpret" what we think that he was "REALLY" saying. If a disiple says something that we understand to be contradicting The simply stated words of Jesus, we should rethink what we think that the disciple said. To do otherwise would be putting the disciple above his teacher. It is realy that simple.
Keep in mind earnestshub it is the only blue/green planet we know about. Astronomers have been on the lookout for suns other than our own that support planets that may be blue/green but no luck so far.
I noticed that! Not fair! What's wrong with telling people they're mother wears army boots and their beliefs are all horse droppings! I do it all the time. I had a little session before where I feel a few people would like to have me banned too! I don't mind ripping a new a-hole here and there!
I wish I could say that truthfully. I do not like being told I am gonna rot in hell, all my kids with me, because I don't buy some bloody stupid belief system that I couldn't convince my dog was true! It is often from someone with the morals of a mosquito!
I think there is beauty to be seen across all religions as long as we leave the hatred and close-mindedness to ourselves. We should appreciate what others believe, be interested why, and not hate or judge because they are not the same views as our own.
Believe it or not, I haven't paid much attention to religions as to how they specifically relate to being green. I do know that the church I attend regularly has newspaper and scrap metal drives. Also the youth group and young adults groups regularly do public area clean up and picking up garbage. We also take in item donations of just about everything and distribute them to anyone or group that can use them. Not once have I heard anything there eluding to a "heck with the planet attitude". Just what I see with where I am at. Many of my christian friends in business are also very aware of the environment. One has made a bussiness of repurposing items that would end up in a landfill into everything from potholders to reusable bags. Holly
You are very lucky to attend the church you attend and to be part of a community that is making an effort to take responsibility for waste. Always glad to know Christian environmentalists.
"The heck with the planet I'm alright Jack" Christians are around but obviously not all Christians are like that nor do they need to be.
Seems like you and your friends do believe in taking affirmative action for the present and the future and that really does count. Also you believe in teaching the young to also take affirmative action which is a very positive thing to do. Be proud of your community. Sounds like a nice place to live.
I was a bit flipant wit my answer yesterday - sorry about that Fluffy - but got sun burn on my back and was in a bitch of a mood - I was brought/dragged up in the Catholic tradition - I think the Catholic Church is a place of great darkness - I am out raged about what the Catholic Church has done in Ireland and around the world in terms of child abuse - today I simply live life as best I can - I get up in the morning with the intention of doing the best I can and helping others if I can - I have no time for the religion of man - but I would still like to believe that I am spiritual - I believe in loving life
" a proof is that which deprives us from any rational objection) The enquiry so far(ie prior to BOOK ONE 2008); The arguments are A-religious ;1-miracles,2-prophets,3-scripture. 1-miracle :-god exists because who did such and such miracles!! if the happened they may happen again !!how did they know they are miracles.eg we now speak to someone who is in Australia, 100 years that would have been classified as miracle. Miracles themselves in need of proof, we need to establish the existence of a supernatural being in order to consider such events as miracle(provided they really happened). 2-Scripture:- if you read the Bible or the Quran or..etc you will see that God exist(ie these books prove ...). This is missing the original question (in philosophy this type of argument is called circular because it is missing the original question), we must have a PROOF (KNOWLEDGE) of His existence in order to consider a revelation. If you do not proof his existence then the so called books will have to be some utterance from human origin. those who argue that these contain either a historical credibility are not aware of the meaning of the Branch we call history, same goes for predictions(prophesies), and most corrupt style is those who speak of the Quran as agreeing with the scientific discoveries of the new age(sciences relies on induction=probability any counter evidence will render the so called theory "like BIG BANG" untrue).Science is a belief system you can check with all the so called intelligent thinker!! 3-PROP HIT(MESSENGER):-God exist because Jesus,Moses, Mohamed...etc being trustworthy and told us that GOD exist! Trustworthy :- he speaks his mind , this is nothing to do with truth!!truth is the correspondence of the statements with REALITY,not your mind(you are not lying but you are not saying the truth.They are trustworthy has no credit when we want to get to knowledge,he did not mean to mislead you this is trust. there is an other argument where they claim that going through some spiritual experience will take away doubt and you will feel his presence!!this is a subjective irrational way when the issue of the other Being is objective.they confuse the certainty that is psychological with the intellectual certainty. B-theological argument:1-teleological(purpose and design) 2- cosmological(what has a beging has a cause or something does not come from nothing) 3-ontological (the idea necessitates his existence) they are all the same in that;- they are trying to use the nature of the universe in order to deduce the other being ie GOD. I showed you how evidence can only lead to belief (two possibilities God exist OR God does not exist EQUALLY).That is why they are still going (verification or falsification),this is the story with belief claims if any of these were a PROOF then God would have been known to exist. A PROOF is the only way to know and in every issue there ie only one proof. Psychology of belief:- if these argument only give belief why is it some choose one possibility over the other; theist insist that God exist is true!! atheist insisting on does not!1 This is not imposition on the mind, so it is plain clear that the choice is due to the ABSOLUTENESS of man. This shows that those who are theists are more irreligious than the atheist(they should be sincere and admit their AGNOSTICISM they should ask the real God for a PROOF). There is an other problem(serious challenge) called IDEALISM wher the existence of the real world is at stake, it disputes the realness of BEING on the basis of dream experiences!! how can they ignore it and use the nature of the universe to argue for the EXISTENCE of A GOD!!!. This is the position of man prior to BOOK ONE.Man is born ignorant and will remain so unless he is given KNOWLEDGE. We will turn to the REAL method that destroys these ways and frees us from this ARTIFICIAL thinking . It will start once we admit our agnostic state and become dissatisfied with belief , hence insisting on KNOWLEDGE. BEST regards ( i need a feed back! please let me know if anything is not clear , or if there is an objection so far)
Sort of. You start out sounding as though pro-God, but ended oddly. Can I be a Prophet by your definitions? I'm very trustworthy. I aslo work a charlity for free. Standing for the needy. Never lie, not a radical, turn the other cheek. As long as I'm not hit. But being non confrontational, I do alright. If Ernetshub is trustworthy, can he be a Prophet for the athiests? His belief in science is of the same conviction as the belief system of any organized religion.
Being a Humanist, just means caring in general. About every body on the planet, and all life that is around you. We take care of our own little corners of the world. If everyone did that, would we be having all this talk about the planet? As for forcing our religion on anyone, Jefferson said it himself, "It makes no difference if my neighbor has one, or ten Gods. It neither breaks my legs, nor picks my pockets." We could care. We welcome anybody.
Not all Humanists are atiests, nor agnostic. Einstein being one of the more famous of us. Those that still believe there's a God though, don't see what any text can do for them, when no one can get trhe basic tenet right. Christians prach from different books to prove a point, yet can't get the first damn ten rules right. Hypocrisy. Islam has fantics thinking they get 72 virgins in heaven. They really think they'll get laid in heaven. Give me a break. Makes me wonder if all suicide bombers are impotent, and think they'll do better dead.
I was raised Episcopalian, and served on the altar for 7 years. I heard it all. I questioned all. I feel I have that knowledge you speak of. Enough so, I decided to just give a damn. Simple.
I have more faith in God and in individuals than in God based organizations. I get the impression a lot of people feel that way. You sound fine DevLin and so does Ernestshub but I'm not much of a follower.
There is absolutely no reason why all Humanists should be atheists or agnostic. No reason at all. In fact you will find many humanists that do believe in one religion or another.
I once saw an artist's impression of what the 72 virgins a terrorist would be entitled to in heaven would look like. Believe me they'll be doing a lot of running and in the other direction. And you don't have to speculate too much about why they are virgins either. Laid, maybe, crushed to a pulp continuously forever most definitely.
As for Muslim Humanists, when the Muslims took over Cordova in Spain they did something extraordinary. They made the place a center of learning where everyone including Christian and Jewish scholars were welcome. It was through this city that the knowledge of the ancient Greeks filtered back into Europe. In terms of architecture check out the mosque at Cordova. Quite impressive. When the Christians took back the city they kept the learning and the trade established by the Muslims going. Even to this day southern Spanish food contains spices originally brought to the region by the Muslims.
At one time Muslim medicine was more advanced than our own and they came across the art of making paper long before we did.
Pepper I believe comes from the Arabs. Today we use Arabic numerals as the main way in which we count. If the Muslims had not brought us Algebra the Americans might not have landed a man on the moon in 1969.
Yes there have been great moments in Muslim history where the search for knowledge and meaning and understanding was even more important than war and conquest.
Are there still Muslim Humanists out there? Probably. I would like to think so. If some of them could move to Egypt it would be a good thing for the Egyptian Christians living there.
Jesus was a Jew. Mind you in a recent dig archaeologists have found evidence of a Greek presence in Nazareth where Jesus grew up so he may have known a few Greek traders and may even have learned some Greek. Jesus, however, was definitely Jewish. Sorry Greek One. Mind you the Greek Orthodox Church is very old and possibly predates the Catholics.
I got the impression that Samaritans worshiped a fish god. They might have originally came from the same gene pool but their beliefs were different from the Jews which explains the animosity. The story of the good Samaritan makes it clear that Jews generally didn't like Samaritans but Jesus thought there could be good in any people.
Hey! Sir Dent Maybe the Samaritans were half Jew and half fish. That would explain why their towns and settlements were close to the sea. And we all thought mermaids and mermen could only be found in the waters near Ireland and Scotland. I guess half fish and half human creatures got around.
I don't know anything about the teachings of there being diffrent levels of heaven. Paradise, heaven, and the kingdom of heaven. Seems to me that The kingdom of heaven would be more difficult to enter that the regular heaven ??? Is Paradise and heaven on the same level ???
It seems to me that to be bought and paid for by the blood of the lamb may not gain us entry into the "Kingdom OF HEAVEN"
It seems that good works does not earn Salvation, but it takes good works to store up treasures in heaven? And posibly an almost rightious behaveior to become Judges and kings in the kingdom????? I don't know just saying ; It seems to me
It seems to me to be about bed time. Will check in in about 7 hours with coffee in hand.
Earnest I checked out the movie you have referred to.
Some of it I have come across before in the documentary Jesus the Evidence (it was shown on SBS over a decade ago and is not likely to ever be shown again.) I also have the paperback to the documentary. It covered the connection with Jesus and the Egyptian myths including the virgin birth which also belongs to Greek mythology. Blood washing away sins is incredibly old.
Anyway the last bit of the video you've shown us getting into modern times tends to lose itself for me. It is the earlier section only that is food for thought though I am glad you brought it to my attention.
As you yourself have said some parts are good and some parts are just basic half truths.
I am used to the dramatic sounds you get in modern documentaries and I would like to think they don't have much of an affect on me. There are all sorts of tricks to the trade of conveying you actually know more than you really do.
The Josephus bit I have come across before and I don't believe his reference to Jesus a complete fake. I believe he did write about Jesus, his crucifixion and his followers and probably not in too flattering a light. Then some time after Josephus' death a Christian scribe came along and in transcribing the work made it more pro-Christian. Interference rather than out and out fakery. Words were changed but I still take this as evidence that even if Josephus never met Jesus that he knew about him soon after Jesus' death. What he really had to say about Jesus we may never know but I take it as for real that he had something to say. It is an historical account even if it is far from perfect.
Spiritual not religious whatsoever. Follow no rules or believe in things that may be interpreted from several religions, which in my opinion, do not count as religions, just actions and behaviors that I am responsible for, not something else. If that makes any sense.??? "_
Ron the Josephus part was not a strong case at all, nor many other references. I had some difficulty with the information provided about 9/11 in particular the other isolated building that looked to me as if it was imploded with well placed demolition gelignite or similar strength explosives. Like most things for or against a certain prejudice makes it hard to get to the facts, and apart from the very convincing video of the building coming down almost free-fall the rest meant little unless it checked out. I may do some research on the government's answers about that one though. It looked weird dropping like that. Maybe the sped up the film a bit?
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