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What & Why

  1. Fluffymetal profile image79
    Fluffymetalposted 7 years ago

    What religion are you and why?

    1. Hokey profile image59
      Hokeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am me.

      1. Fluffymetal profile image79
        Fluffymetalposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        and good I see

    2. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Born into a Hindu family but now beyond all religions.

    3. yolanda yvette profile image61
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm Christian.
       
      And I am so because one day when I found myself at what I thought was the end of my life, He was there for me, not only to deliver and restore me, but also to reveal Himself to me.   

      The God whom I'd disregarded for years, had accepted me without hesitation and even in spite of myself.  Love is action.  Many people say they love us, He's the ONE who proves it.  Who wouldn't want to serve a God like that?

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I Have a story similar to yours.
        But more than a few times, he has shown himself.

        1. yolanda yvette profile image61
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not surprised, since He is ever-revealing Himself to us.

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            As it is written in scripture, He knocks on the door to your heart and mind, but you have to open the door when and if you are ready.

            1. alternate poet profile image79
              alternate poetposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Of course those on the other side of this divide will say that it is all already in your mind to start with. 

              Buddhism and self improvement based 'religions', more correctly maybe 'ways of life' seem to recognise this also.

            2. yolanda yvette profile image61
              yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Absolutely.

          2. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes he is ever revealing himself to us, and here is what he looks like. Psychotic murdering lunatic that he is!


            "Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge!  Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD.  "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction".   (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

            Nice little god! lol

            1. aka-dj profile image79
              aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              "Nice little god!"
              Says an even (nicer?) little man!

              Now that's a BIG lol

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I don't like this sort of crud aka. You would not have the intestines to call me "little man" to my face, so why do it here?

            2. yolanda yvette profile image61
              yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No matter what you feel towards Him, He will always love you.

              And even though you mock my God, and me, for believing in Him, I love you.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Prove it.

                1. yolanda yvette profile image61
                  yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I already did.  Blessings to you and yours, sir.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No - you did not. You have to prove it to my and Earnest's satisfaction - not yours.

    4. kess profile image60
      kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My religion is called "Truth"
      I Live truth and I am Truth.

      Why ? Because Truth is the only thing that lives.

      1. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        By your definition then ALL people are TRUTH, because all are alive.
        Did I get that right?
        So others who have a different belief to you aren't wrong either?
        I LIKE that. big_smile

        1. kess profile image60
          kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are right that all people alive have truth.

          But since all will not live by Truth, though they  live, they are truly dead.

          And if they were to find Truth, it is then they begin to live or are born again.

          It is not wrong that others may have belief that may not agree with mine, the real error is not seeking after truth.

          For in this life truth leads you many situation and places unknow to you and these things define the present you.

          And when truth is found you would leave somethings behind and seek after others.

          For you are now seeking perfection and the way to perfection is the path of Truth.

          And all who live for Truth will eventually agree for Truth is one.

          But not all can live for truth because they were not of truth to begin with.

          1. aka-dj profile image79
            aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Have truth? What is that status?
            Find truth? Where? If they have it, where do they look for it?
            Then, how do you LIVE it?
            Don't we ALL live the truth we each have? Isn't that enough?

            1. kess profile image60
              kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Truth is not define by others but yourself and it is within you.

              Those of Truth will know those who belong  to truth,
              For Truth will Spring from you like water.

              These things you will know and on one can take them away, and this is called "faith"

              So the question is do you know  you are"Truth"?

              1. aka-dj profile image79
                aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry dear, I cannot BE truth. There is too much fallability in me.
                I feel much better putting my "faith" in One Who fits the bill better.
                I am happy for Him to BE TRUTH for me.

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      still looking for a religion that makes sense.

      1. Pandoras Box profile image81
        Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good luck with that! smile

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      SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this



      I am a follower of Jesus Christ. To follow Him is the only belief that actually makes sense.

      1. mohitmisra profile image59
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Seeing the oneness of the prophets and religions makes sense, this is a a narrow belief on needs to grow out of  in order to find god and truth.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I believe to even begin to find truth one needs to go past god. smile

          1. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            God is the ultimate truth. : God beyond Religions yes smile

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          SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Narrow is the way and few will find it.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That would seem rather elitist to me Sir Dent! smile

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              SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this



              Look at it this way. You are on a 4 lane highway and your exit is coming up. Would you get on the narrower exit or stay on the wide road?

              God made a way for man to escape death and hell. God is not the author of confusion and did not create many ways as many say.

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                china manposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No - look at it this way -

                you are on a 4 lane highway and your lane runs out - do you drive on into the roadside barrier or go with the thinking people who moved across one lane?

            2. mohitmisra profile image59
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Its the real truth this means one pointed concentration or mediation.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No this is where a so called god's comprehension flys out the window. The expectation of a higher entity would surely include a better understanding, not the understanding that would exclude so very many of his "children" that is completely illogical to me. smile

                1. mohitmisra profile image59
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Its the way to god, perfect concentration or mediation along with no attachments. smile

                  Each is playing this game with himself, all is god.

  2. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    No religion at all.

  3. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    I guess you could say I'm a spiritual Christian, but I'm not into the organized religion part of it.

  4. alternate poet profile image79
    alternate poetposted 7 years ago

    I have no religion.

    BUT - One of the best I have seen around is Taoism, I had a fascinating few hours with a Taoist priest and a Taoist teacher. I was asking about the 'gods' that people keep in their homes in family shrines all around Asia.  I just love the idea that you go buy some plastic god with incense burners and little offering bowls attached then set it up in your house and get the local priest in. He then draws down some form of spirit from the 'unknown' and gives it the job of looking after the house.  Most of the gods are based on very similar but different Buddhist characters.

    What I especially liked - when I asked about the nature of the 'unknown' that they draw the spirits from they both had the same response, a kind of a 'who knows' answer.

    If things are not going so good and you live in a 'bad' way you can go chat to your god about it and try to improve, if you are doing everything right and still things are not so good you can evict your god and get another.

    I am definately no expert on Taoism but this is the take I got from it - just seems such a sensible way of dealing with the whole out there unknown thing that some see through science, others through god or gods, and others who don't care much anyway.

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      crmhaskeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Taoism is one of those interesting religions that is very tied into culture.  It has been influenced a great deal by Buddhism and Confucianism - I wrote a hub about Taoism and Wu Wei two weeks or so ago.

      I am Buddhist, but I greatly enjoy some of the Taoism philosophies like the one I wrote my hub on.

      1. Rod Marsden profile image79
        Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I read about Confucianism years ago and what I read I really didn't like very much. I always felt Taoism was more free spirited and the same can be said for Buddhism.

  5. Shadesbreath profile image89
    Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago

    I'm a grossly amateur philosopher reading my way through the deep thinkers and great artists, slowly, clumsily, and trying to find some measure of balance between desire and hope as it relates to reason and morality (be it evolved social behavior or divinely inscribed). 

    Doing so requires not picking A religion, but it certainly discounts none out of hand.

  6. figment profile image75
    figmentposted 7 years ago

    I'm spiritual, but see Mother Earth as my supreme being.  She is the ultimate decision maker.  Energy plays an important role.  I use the Bible sometimes as a sort of road map, but I've traveled my own paths and journeys.

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      When we hurt Mother Earth we do end up hurting ourselves.

  7. Fluffymetal profile image79
    Fluffymetalposted 7 years ago

    My only childhood memories was my mom taking me to a large oak tree and telling me that's where she prayed to God.  I never went to church till I was 11.  I was atheist for 7 years.

  8. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    Imagine no religion.

  9. Fluffymetal profile image79
    Fluffymetalposted 7 years ago

    There would be less to talk about when people got stoned

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Are you talking about grass stoned or actually having rocks thrown at someone until they are dead? Even today there are sects of some religions that practice the rock throwing you're dead variety. Not a very nice form of execution.

  10. Rod Marsden profile image79
    Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago

    I am an agnostic Christian. This means I don't go to church even though I believe in a creator.

    Why am I not a conventional Christian? I have found too many faults with conventional Christianity.

    1. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's a new one. Agnostic Cristian??
      I had this wierd understanding that a Christian is a pewrson who is abeliever in, and follower of Jesus Christ, the Son of the living (Creator) God. So, to b agnostic about that is ...I mean words fail me.
      BTW, Jesus was personally involved in the creation event.
      So, technically, if you believe in (a) creator, you believe in Jesus Christ.

      1. Rod Marsden profile image79
        Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Agnostic isn't the same as Atheist. An Atheist simply doesn't believe full stop. I believe in Jesus and God but not in any particular Christian structure. So yes aka-dj I do believe in JC. I just have trouble believing in any institution that came after him and operates in his name.

        1. aka-dj profile image79
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I was raised RC, and I left that Institution. I was never agnostic about it.
          However, as a believer I (we) belong to the Body of Christ, (the Church), and that is always made up of imperfect people.
          It's not about putting faith into an institution, but rather adding our gifts to "the body", to benefit all.
          (BTW, I did not confuse agnostic wtih atheist.)

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I was also raised RC, but don't do god or religion as I feel sure everyone on hubpages knows by now! lol

            1. aka-dj profile image79
              aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I can't answer for everybody, but..
              Ye, I know..!  big_smile
              BTW, I don't do religion either. I am still amazed how people can't tell the difference. hmm

              1. Rod Marsden profile image79
                Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I do concern for the environment better than I do religion I have to admit.

        2. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I  can agree with this point of view. 
             It is actualy hard not to.
             Too many diffrent denominations. And each denomination establishes their own set of rules to follow. 
             Too many choices for what truth is said to be.
             It seems that few people agree when I say this, and many are tired of hearing it, but here it is again.

             To understand the New testament all that is realy necessary is to understand the  WORDS  WRITTEN  IN  RED  LETTERS.
             Don't misunderstand me when I say that!
             To understand it all is a good thing, but most do not.
             
             When Christ delivered a simply stated message, we should not "interpret" what we think that he was "REALLY"  saying.
             If a disiple says something that we understand to be contradicting The simply stated words of Jesus, we should rethink what we think that the disciple said.
             To do otherwise would be putting the disciple above his teacher.
             It is realy that simple.

      2. Pandoras Box profile image81
        Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Agnosticism isn't a statement of belief.

        1. Rod Marsden profile image79
          Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Close enough for some of us.

  11. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    "Mother" earth is scary when she gets a sniffle or sneeze.
    One little shrug and she can wipe out millions of us like ants.
    I stand in awe of the power of this little blue/green planet. smile

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Keep in mind earnestshub it is the only blue/green planet we know about. Astronomers have been on the lookout for suns other than our own that support planets that may be blue/green but no luck so far.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Damn! I love the colour! lol

        1. Rod Marsden profile image79
          Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey! They're not giving up. They're still looking. in the meantime maybe we should look after this one.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You have that right! We do seem to be learning slowly, I hope we turn it around before she shrugs us off. smile

  12. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Gonna go read that hub crmhaske, sound interesting! smile

  13. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    I'm an Atheist. Hi earnest !! big_smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      .... and loving it! lol I think most of us are in no doubt about you either. How are you, you delightful alien!

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm OK. Enjoying nice weather, even it's autumn here ! wink

    2. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      NNNOOOOO. Shock. Horror!
      I didn't know that.
      But that's ok with me. big_smile

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And you're OK by me as well ! LOL

        1. aka-dj profile image79
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          SMILING.lol

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            big_smile
            Anyway, I like to argue with you . SMILING

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Tantrum, that is so hard to believe. You? Argue? NEVER!!!!! lol lol lol

              1. tantrum profile image59
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Well, Not as I used to. I always get banned for nothing ! roll

                lol

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I noticed that! Not fair! What's wrong with telling people they're mother wears army boots and their beliefs are all horse droppings! I do it all the time. I had a little session before where I feel a few people would like to have me banned too!
                  I don't mind ripping a new a-hole here and there! smile

                  1. tantrum profile image59
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    And I didn't even say an F word ! go figure !!

  14. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    Dunno 'bout you guys, but I am having a ball doing it.
    Whatever you call it. big_smile

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hang around aka-dj I'm sure someone will find a name for it even if they have to invent one!

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        We are having Way too much fun aren't we?
        Better than chewing on each others buts like in some forums! lol

  15. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    Lets call it HPWWF.
    You know, the wrestling franchise type thing.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good enough! I just took a minute to go tell another fanatic to blow it! smile The HPWWF is all go! smile

      1. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Cool. I claim copywrite, and all royalties from it.
        I'll give you a 10% cut for making it official. :lol;

        1. Rod Marsden profile image79
          Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey what about me? I should get a cut as well!

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        Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        no no, it has to be WPWWE...WWF belongs to those wildlife guys. big_smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          OK looks like we may need to go with a small name change here, don't want to infringe copyright! smile

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            Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            yea, wwf had to change to wwe...so their new slogan was.."we had to get the 'F' out." ahhahah

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol very droll! Love it!
              Folks I need to grab some shuteye. I will see you all Manyana.
              Take it easy and have fun! smile

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                Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Have a nice rest.  smile

                1. Rod Marsden profile image79
                  Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  SLEEP!

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                    Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    who, me? I worship the god of awakeness!!!

  16. theirishobserver. profile image60
    theirishobserver.posted 7 years ago

    I am a worshipper of the great God Internetess, each day I offer sacrifice to fill his need for the written word, Hail the Hubblicious one:) sorry about that Fluffy in a bit of a funny mood smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

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        Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        morning earnest!!

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Good morning Justine!! smile

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            Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hope you slept well. nearly time for to get my kiddos to bed. I have a gut feeling this will be a long night tho...

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Don't forget to whip them all soundly! lol

  17. profile image68
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim; upholding reason, Revelation, rational arguments, peace, humanity, truth- and in search of Truth.

    Thanks

  18. bhaskar_c profile image60
    bhaskar_cposted 7 years ago

    I am hindu...  one of all Indian citizen

  19. goldenpath profile image82
    goldenpathposted 7 years ago

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)

    To me it gives the greatest liberty and hope for the living as well as our kindred dead and also sheds all barriers of human potential.

  20. figment profile image75
    figmentposted 7 years ago

    I think there is beauty to be seen across all religions as long as we leave the hatred and close-mindedness to ourselves.  We should appreciate what others believe, be interested why, and not hate or judge because they are not the same views as our own.

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, but sometimes it hard to find out what people believe, everyone jsut gets mad...or uses really big words I don't understand.  wink

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I used a big word once. It hurt my head, so I don't do it anymore! smile

    2. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know about that. When I see people not doing what needs to be done to save our planet because of some outdated religious concern or consideration I do get mad.

  21. profile image69
    logic,commonsenseposted 7 years ago

    Reformed Agnostic like the Stainless Steel Rat

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I love the Stainless Steel Rat. His wife and children are a bit of a handful though.

  22. Rod Marsden profile image79
    Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago

    I have a new hub where I use a glass of water to look into the past, present and possible future.

    No, it isn't magic or mysticism.

    I believe the method works though and I suppose such notions do fit into my own spirituality and whatever religious feeling I do have.

    The hub is called A Glass of Water...

    1. h.a.borcich profile image60
      h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Rod, I read the hub and I liked it! Not sure how it fits into religion though. Holly

      1. Rod Marsden profile image79
        Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I just believe that there are too many religions supporting the argument that we can do what ever the hell we want to do with this planet of ours and its okay because we believe in whatever faith.

        Other religious people believe that the end of the world is coming no matter what we do so its okay to sit on our hands and do nothing.

        I believe in affirmative action in keeping our planet viable for future generations. Belief I suppose is related to faith and faith is part of religion so there is my connection Holly.

        And thank Holly for checking out my hub and commenting.

        1. h.a.borcich profile image60
          h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this



          Believe it or not, I haven't paid much attention to religions as to how they specifically relate to being green. I do know that the church I attend regularly has newspaper and scrap metal drives. Also the youth group and young adults groups regularly do public area clean up and picking up garbage. We also take in item donations of just about everything and distribute them to anyone or group that can use them. Not once have I heard anything there eluding to a "heck with the planet attitude". Just what I see with where I am at.
          Many of my christian friends in business are also very aware of the environment. One has made a bussiness of repurposing items that would end up in a landfill into everything from potholders to reusable bags. Holly

          1. Rod Marsden profile image79
            Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You are very lucky to attend the church you attend and to be part of a community that is making an effort to take responsibility for waste. Always glad to know Christian environmentalists.

            "The heck with the planet I'm alright Jack" Christians are around but obviously not all Christians are like that nor do they need to be.

            Seems like you and your friends do believe in taking affirmative action for the present and the future and that really does count. Also you believe in teaching the young to also take affirmative action which is a very positive thing to do. Be proud of your community. Sounds like a nice place to live.

  23. theirishobserver. profile image60
    theirishobserver.posted 7 years ago

    I was a bit flipant wit my answer yesterday - sorry about that Fluffy - but got sun burn on my back and was in a bitch of a mood - I was brought/dragged up in the Catholic tradition - I think the Catholic Church is a place of great darkness - I am out raged about what the Catholic Church has done in Ireland and around the world in terms of child abuse - today I simply live life as best I can - I get up in the morning with the intention of doing the best I can and helping others if I can - I have no time for the religion of man - but I would still like to believe that I am spiritual - I believe in loving life smile

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      loving life is good theiririshobserver and if you extend that to loving nature as well then you have my vote.

    2. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sounds about right there, Irish.

  24. DevLin profile image61
    DevLinposted 7 years ago

    Humanist. The tenet is simplicity. Give a damn.

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      alderdearposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      " a proof is that which deprives us from any rational objection)
      The enquiry so far(ie prior to BOOK ONE 2008);
      The arguments are
      A-religious ;1-miracles,2-prophets,3-scripture.
      1-miracle :-god exists because who did such and such miracles!!
      if the happened they may happen again !!how did they know they are miracles.eg we now speak to someone who is in Australia, 100 years that would have been classified as miracle.
      Miracles themselves in need of proof, we need to establish the existence of a supernatural being in order to consider such events as miracle(provided they really happened).
      2-Scripture:- if you read the Bible or the Quran or..etc you will see that God exist(ie these books prove ...).
      This is missing the original question (in philosophy this type of argument is called circular because it is missing the original question), we must have a PROOF (KNOWLEDGE) of His existence in order to consider a revelation.
      If you do not proof his existence then the so called books will have to be some utterance from human origin. those who argue that these contain either a historical credibility are not aware of the meaning of the Branch we call history, same goes for predictions(prophesies), and most corrupt style is those who speak of the Quran as agreeing with the scientific discoveries of the new age(sciences relies on induction=probability any counter evidence will render the so called theory "like BIG BANG" untrue).Science is a belief system you can check with all the so called intelligent thinker!!
      3-PROP HIT(MESSENGER):-God exist because Jesus,Moses, Mohamed...etc being trustworthy and told us that GOD exist!
      Trustworthy :- he speaks his mind , this is nothing to do with truth!!truth is the correspondence of the statements with REALITY,not your mind(you are not lying but you are not saying the truth.They are trustworthy has no credit when we want to get to knowledge,he did not mean to mislead you this is trust.
      there is an other argument where they claim that going through some spiritual experience will take away doubt and you will feel his presence!!this is a subjective irrational way when the issue of the other Being is objective.they confuse the certainty that is psychological with the intellectual certainty.
      B-theological argument:1-teleological(purpose and design) 2- cosmological(what has a beging has a cause or something does not come from nothing) 3-ontological (the idea necessitates his existence)
      they are all the same in that;- they are trying to use the nature of the universe in order to deduce the other being ie GOD.
      I showed you how evidence can only lead to belief (two possibilities God exist OR God does not exist EQUALLY).That is why they are still going (verification or falsification),this is the story with belief claims if any of these were a PROOF then God would have been known to exist.
      A PROOF is the only way to know and in every issue there ie only one proof.
      Psychology of belief:- if these argument only give belief why is it some choose one possibility over the other;
      theist insist that God exist is true!!
      atheist insisting on does not!1
      This is not imposition on the mind, so it is plain clear that the choice is due to the ABSOLUTENESS of man. This shows that those who are theists are more irreligious than the atheist(they should be sincere and admit their AGNOSTICISM they should ask the real God for a PROOF).
      There is an other problem(serious challenge) called IDEALISM wher the existence of the real world is at stake, it disputes the realness of BEING on the basis of  dream experiences!! how can they ignore it and use the nature of the universe to argue for the EXISTENCE of A GOD!!!.
      This is the position of man prior to BOOK ONE.Man is born ignorant and will remain so unless he is given KNOWLEDGE.
      We will turn to the REAL method that destroys these ways and frees us from this ARTIFICIAL thinking .
      It will start once we admit our agnostic state and become dissatisfied with belief , hence insisting on KNOWLEDGE.
      BEST regards ( i need a feed back! please let me know if anything is not clear , or if there is an objection so far)

      1. Rod Marsden profile image79
        Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        For some of us the question of whether God exists or not isn't the issue and hasn't been for a long time. The question of whether any religion is worthy of our time is the issue.

      2. DevLin profile image61
        DevLinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sort of.
        You start out sounding as though pro-God, but ended oddly. Can I be a Prophet by your definitions? I'm very trustworthy. I aslo work a charlity for free. Standing for the needy. Never lie, not a radical, turn the other cheek. As long as I'm not hit. But being non confrontational, I do alright. If Ernetshub is trustworthy, can he be a Prophet for the athiests? His belief in science is of the same conviction as the belief system of any organized religion.

        Being a Humanist, just means caring in general. About every body on the planet, and all life that is around you. We take care of our own little corners of the world. If everyone did that, would we be having all this talk about the planet? As for forcing our religion on anyone, Jefferson said it himself, "It makes no difference if my neighbor has one, or ten Gods. It neither breaks my legs, nor picks my pockets." We could care. We welcome anybody.

        Not all Humanists are atiests, nor agnostic. Einstein being one of the more famous of us. Those that still believe there's a God though, don't see what any text can do for them, when no one can get trhe basic tenet right. Christians prach from different books to prove a point, yet can't get the first damn ten rules right. Hypocrisy. Islam has fantics thinking they get 72 virgins in heaven. They really think they'll get laid in heaven. Give me a break. Makes me wonder if all suicide bombers are impotent, and think they'll do better dead.

        I was raised Episcopalian, and served on the altar for 7 years. I heard it all. I questioned all. I feel I have that knowledge you speak of. Enough so, I decided to just give a damn. Simple.

        1. Rod Marsden profile image79
          Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I have more faith in God and in individuals than in God based organizations. I get the impression a lot of people feel that way. You sound fine DevLin and so does Ernestshub but I'm not much of a follower.

          There is absolutely no reason why all Humanists should be atheists or agnostic. No reason at all. In fact you will find many humanists that do believe in one religion or another.

          I once saw an artist's impression of what the 72 virgins a terrorist would be entitled to in heaven would look like. Believe me they'll be doing a lot of running and in the other direction. And you don't have to speculate too much about why they are virgins either. Laid, maybe, crushed to a pulp continuously forever most definitely.

          Just giving a damn is a fine start.

          1. DevLin profile image61
            DevLinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            True. The number of Muslim Humanists used to be astounding. I'm not sure of their numbers now, due to to I give a damn. It's their thing, I leave it alone. None of my business.

            I just know what Earnest has to say about religion, that's why I used him as a reference.

            When it comes to God though, I've seen too much to discount the existence. But again, that's my thing.

            1. Rod Marsden profile image79
              Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              As for Muslim Humanists, when the Muslims took over Cordova in Spain they did something extraordinary. They made the place a center of learning where everyone including Christian and Jewish scholars were welcome. It was through this city that the knowledge of the ancient Greeks filtered back into Europe. In terms of architecture check out the mosque at Cordova. Quite impressive. When the Christians took back the city they kept the learning and the trade established by the Muslims going. Even to this day southern Spanish food contains spices originally brought to the region by the Muslims.

              At one time Muslim medicine was more advanced than our own and they came across the art of making paper long before we did.

              Pepper I believe comes from the Arabs. Today we use Arabic numerals as the main way in which we count. If the Muslims had not brought us Algebra the Americans might not have landed a man on the moon in 1969.

              Yes there have been great moments in Muslim history where the search for knowledge and meaning and understanding was even more important than war and conquest.

              Are there still Muslim Humanists out there? Probably. I would like to think so. If some of them could move to Egypt it would be a good thing for the Egyptian Christians living there.

  25. Origin profile image61
    Originposted 7 years ago

    I'm a skeptical Christian who believes that the universe is infinite, and with that comes infinite possibilities.

    big_smile

  26. Greek One profile image80
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    I am Greek Orthodox...

    just like Jesus was

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus was a Jew. Mind you in a recent dig archaeologists have found evidence of a Greek presence in Nazareth where Jesus grew up so he may have known a few Greek traders and may even have learned some Greek.
      Jesus, however, was definitely Jewish. Sorry Greek One. Mind you the Greek Orthodox Church is very old and possibly predates the Catholics.

      1. Greek One profile image80
        Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you know, i was kinda joking lol

        1. Rod Marsden profile image79
          Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry Greek One. What I said about Greeks and Nazareth still happens to be true. You Greeks as traders really did get around.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Actually Jesus was only half Jew. His mother was a Jew but His Father(God) was something other than a Jew.

        1. Rod Marsden profile image79
          Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well there we enter into the realm of faith. Even as a half Jew he was still brought up in a Jewish household.

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            SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Samaritans were half Jew and half something else. Jews hated them also.

            1. Rod Marsden profile image79
              Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I got the impression that Samaritans worshiped a fish god. They might have originally came from the same gene pool but their beliefs were different from the Jews which explains the animosity. The story of the good Samaritan makes it clear that Jews generally didn't like Samaritans but Jesus thought there could be good in any people.

              1. Rod Marsden profile image79
                Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hey! Sir Dent Maybe the Samaritans were half Jew and half fish. That would explain why their towns and settlements were close to the sea. And we all thought mermaids and mermen could only be found in the waters near Ireland and Scotland. I guess half fish and half human creatures got around.

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                SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I have no idea if they worshpped fish or not. I do know the people of Nineveh worshipped fish or a fish god.

      3. Iamsam profile image64
        Iamsamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        as per bible Jesus is the son of
        God hence you cannot say he was Jew or greek

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          As per you, he was born a human, so he most certainly can be considered a Jew or Greek.  smile

          Was your mother raped by an invisible being? Jesus' mom was. wink

          1. Rod Marsden profile image79
            Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe it was love and not rape. Maybe invisible was a big turn on for her.

            1. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Being invisible seems to be a big turn on for billions of people. wink

              1. Rod Marsden profile image79
                Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You got it Beelzedad!

  27. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I don't know anything about the teachings of there being diffrent levels of heaven.
    Paradise, heaven, and the kingdom of heaven.
    Seems to me that The kingdom of heaven would be more difficult to enter that the regular heaven ???  Is Paradise and heaven on the same level ???

       It seems to me that to be bought and paid for by the blood of the lamb may not gain us entry into the "Kingdom OF HEAVEN"

      It seems that good works does not earn Salvation, but it  takes good works to store up treasures in heaven?
      And posibly an almost rightious behaveior to become Judges and kings in the kingdom?????   I don't know just saying ;    It seems to me

       It seems to me to be about bed time.  Will check in in about 7 hours with coffee in hand.

  28. Iamsam profile image64
    Iamsamposted 7 years ago

    Human,

    that is the way I Born

  29. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    The new zeitgeist movie has some good bits about religion. Overall I am not impressed though. Some half truths in places and rather long. I watched it all just now. Some parts are food for thought though. smile
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 611744924#

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Earnest I checked out the movie you have referred to.

      Some of it I have come across before in the documentary Jesus the Evidence (it was shown on SBS over a decade ago and is not likely to ever be shown again.) I also have the paperback to the documentary. It covered the connection with Jesus and the Egyptian myths including the virgin birth which also belongs to Greek mythology. Blood washing away sins is incredibly old.

      Anyway the last bit of the video you've shown us getting into modern times tends to lose itself for me. It is the earlier section only that is food for thought though I am glad you brought it to my attention.

      As you yourself have said some parts are good and some parts are just basic half truths.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ron I was pretty surprised at the amateur attempts to imbue it with something more than itself by using dramatic sound too.
        Very average but as we both noted, it had some good bits. smile

        1. Rod Marsden profile image79
          Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am used to the dramatic sounds you get in modern documentaries and I would like to think they don't have much of an affect on me. There are all sorts of tricks to the trade of conveying you actually know more than you really do.

          The Josephus bit I have come across before and I don't believe his reference to Jesus a complete fake. I believe he did write about Jesus, his crucifixion and his followers and probably not in too flattering a light.  Then some time after Josephus' death a  Christian scribe came along and in transcribing the work made it more pro-Christian. Interference rather than out and out fakery. Words were changed but I still take this as evidence that even if Josephus never met Jesus that he knew about him soon after Jesus' death. What he really had to say about Jesus we may never know but I take it as for real that he had something to say. It is an historical account even if it is far from perfect.

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years ago

    Spiritual not religious whatsoever.  Follow no rules or believe in things that may be interpreted from several religions, which in my opinion, do not count as religions, just actions and behaviors that I am responsible for, not something else.  If that makes any sense.??? "_  smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeh, ya gotta run it yourself Kimberley, right way to live! smile

      1. Rod Marsden profile image79
        Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Right on earnest, in the beginning, the middle and the end its your life and you are better off running it yourself.

  31. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Ron the Josephus part was not a strong case at all, nor many other references. I had some difficulty with the information provided about 9/11 in particular the other isolated building that looked to me as if it was imploded with well placed demolition gelignite or similar strength explosives.
    Like most things for or against a certain prejudice makes it hard to get to the facts, and apart from the very convincing video of the building coming down almost free-fall the rest meant little unless it checked out. I may do some research on the government's answers about that one though. It looked weird dropping like that. smile Maybe the sped up the film a bit? smile

    1. Rod Marsden profile image79
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I got the impression it came down fast because of a construction flaw but I could be wrong. The angle you film at can also give an impression of speed.

      As you say Earnest when both sides are playing loose with the truth it is hard to know where to stand.

 
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