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Why renounce rule? Is there any wisdom in it?!!!

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Hi friends

    If Cyrus- the Great could attain enlightenment while ruling with justice and serving his people and humanity; why could not Buddha?

    Cyrus left a legacy on the art of leadership and decision making, and he attributed his success to "Diversity in counsel, unity in command."[13] Cyrus the Great respected the customs and religions of the lands he conquered.[14] It is said that in universal history, the role of the Achaemenid empire founded by Cyrus lies in its very successful model for centralized administration and establishing a government working to the advantage and profit of its subjects.[8] In fact, the administration of the empire through satraps and the vital principle of forming a government at Pasargadae were the work of Cyrus.[15] Aside from his own nation, Iran, Cyrus also left a lasting legacy on Jewish religion (through his Edict of Restoration), human rights, politics, and military strategy, as well as on both Eastern and Western civilizations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You do what you have to do why bother so much about what the Buddha did, again and gain you keep posting this.

      Read his Buddha Sutras , a masterpiece and gain some more god knowledge and the higher truths of life..

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        crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I honestly don't understand the obsession with Buddha.

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friends

          I will read it; but first I should know who wrote it. I should be certain that Buddha wrote it and from what source.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Buddha wrote down absolutely nothing, the Suttas were written by his disciples.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friends

              Then why to read it; if it were not authored by the Buddha.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                For the same reason you read a book that is one, authored by someone no longer alive today, and two, authored by someone known to be illiterate.  You must take it on faith that your Qu'ran is the same as the first written Qu'ran, and that someone who was illiterate wrote it.

                I take it on faith that the Buddha's disciples persevered the Buddha's message.

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                  paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi friend

                  If one cannot verify; it is not a must to read it. One should not believe blindly but with reason, experience and verification.

                  You just make an experience. If we take one generation of 25 years; then it would be about 16 generation since the death of Buddha. The verbal transmission would have exchanged chain of  16 heads at least , if not more. Make five rows of persons whom you trust to be most memorizing; each row having 16 person in it. Then transmit text of passages as long as the pali canon; to the first person in the rows hitherto unknown to them. When the first persons has been given enough time to memorize the text, then he should go to tne next person in the row an transmit it to him; till the message reaches the last person in the row one by one. The last person should write the message. Since there are five rows; you will get five messages. Now see for yourself as to what has happened to the original message.

                  This would be an experience to rely or not to rely on a message that has reached after four hundred years.

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    The same can be said of the written word.

                    You do not own the first original Qu'ran, and it was written many centuries ago.  You have absolutely no verification that the Qu'ran you have today is the original.  Someone, anyone, at any point in history could have rewritten it for their own purposes.  You could be reading nothing more than propaganda.  You cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you are not.  So your Qu'ran is a waste of time to read by your logic.

                  2. mohitmisra profile image61
                    mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Distortion is inevitable in that way you are correct but this holds true for all religions . Maybe the book is still original but the message has been distorted and like I said before I dont think Muhammad has said some passages  the Quran.
                    Then spiritual books have great depth and misunderstanding it is easy.

              2. mohitmisra profile image61
                mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Earlier oral transmission was the most popular way .Read the Buddha Sutras and you will these are not the words of some ordinary person, I prefer it in wisdom to the Quran.

    2. SiddSingh profile image62
      SiddSinghposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What exactly is your point? Suppose it is ACTUALLY wrong to renounce, then what does that imply?

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend SiddSingh

        Buddha is presented by the Buddhists and Buddhism as an ascetic and as a person who did not value the family reltionship; which is absolutely wrong. It is no fault of Buddha; but the fault of
        Buddhists and Buddhism .

        The world only need to follow a Buddha who is pro-life, actively involved in the life, cares the family and parents cares his friends; to summarize a normal person.

        There is no wisdom in being ascetic and doing wrong to others.

        I love Buddha as I do love Zoroaster and Krishna.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. SiddSingh profile image62
          SiddSinghposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What is the source of this nugget of wisdom? Who told you this?

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            crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            He told himself this.  He's decided who the Buddha was, and that everything we think we know about him is wrong.  It's terribly naive.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friends

              Is enlightenment different than wisdom.

              Thanks

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                crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes.  Enlightenment is the process to wisdom.

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                  paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi friend crmhaske

                  In that case I believe a higher status for Buddah than the Buddhism or the Buddhist believe. Is that not appropriate?

                  Thanks

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                    crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Buddha never claimed to be anything more than a man.  He deserves to be remembered as nothing more than he claimed to be.

        2. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Each to his own.

    3. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There is also one story that says Buddha was banished from his kingdom.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I know who should be banished. The sock puppet! lol lol

        1. SiddSingh profile image62
          SiddSinghposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well he is not going to RENOUNCE the forums anytime soon!

  2. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    Cyrus was a King. He loved to rule.
    Buddha was a philosopher. He loved to teach.

  3. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I would just like to ask do you live with another person?
    If so they would be ready to jump off a cliff by now usmanali! You go on and on in these forums like a broken record.

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      crmhaskeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol, he sure does

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    logic,commonsenseposted 6 years ago

    Obama will not renounce his rule.  We will have to vote him out!
    He only thinks he is god!

  5. dfager profile image59
    dfagerposted 6 years ago

    God did not write any of the worlds holy books, they were written by men.  When God calls to people, we know His voice.  We believe by faith, not by man's authority.  Everyone's relationship to God is unique.  When we believe, we can submit to the authority of the holy books.  But it's not the other way around.  The books are not the authority unless we first believe that they are.

    People shouldn't try to convert other people, I think we're to love others.  We can't love others if we're always trying to impose stuff on them.  Love is freeing.  Love is seeing.

  6. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Delusion at it's best.

  7. SiddSingh profile image62
    SiddSinghposted 6 years ago

    Hi friend Parr,

    So you mean that since Muhammad was illiterate, he memorized whatever Allah told him?

    And then his friend learnt it by rote, and so on it passed. [Obviously Muhammad had a very good memory, in that he memorized an entire book . How many days did Allah take to REVEAL to him?]

    Where in this process was PEN put to PAPER, and words written? Who did it?

    How can you be so sure that what you have learnt from a written Quran is the same as was REVEALED to Muhammad? DO we have to take your word for it, or do you have any PROOF?

    Is it not possible that those who actually wrote put words of their reckoning into it?

    Yes, the so called Verbal Quran and Written Quran may be same, but that does not guarantee that either of them is the same as was revealed to Muhammad.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend SiddSingh

      One can verify it at any time zone; from Libraries in the world; one won't find any difference. The text of the Quran is the same whatever the denomination.

      Seeing is believing.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    2. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The story is an angel revealed these messages to him from god, it wasn't a direct connection with god and Muhammad.

      There are editions of the Holy Quran in English so there are different version of it.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend  mohitmisra

        The original Quran is in Arabic; the translation are done side by side with the Arabic text; so that those who don't know Arabic may understand it. No Muslim considers the translation in any language an alternative to the original in Arabic. So, there are no version of Quran; but version of translation of Quran.

        Angels do whatever is told by them to do by the Creator- God Allah YHWH; they cannot change anything on their own.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It makes no difference what language is being used as they can easily be translated.

          Muhammad created the Quran, that's why it's in Arabic. smile

          1. SiddSingh profile image62
            SiddSinghposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            NO.

            GOD, ALLAH speaks and understands only one language - ARABIC.

        2. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          A translation of a spiritual text is extremely difficult ,having great depth translation is bound to lose or misconstrue something and it has happened with the Holy Quran as well.


          So Muhammad was not directly in touch with god like the other prophets have been.

  8. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Really ?

  9. Rishy Rich profile image81
    Rishy Richposted 6 years ago

    hmm, after going through a brief study, I found an interesting trait in the ahmadiya muslim's faith system. They have a tendency of merging Two major characters into one. For instance, Jesus was Buddha & then in the second coming, Jesus was Mahdi(the islamic prophesized messiahs) & finally, Mirza Ghulam Azam was both Jesus & Mahdi. Mathematically,

    Mirza Ghulam = Jesus = Buddha = Mahdi roll

    Its like Superman = Spiderman = Batman = He-Man roll

             "3 In ONE" - WOW  roll

 
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