Prophet like Moses

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   SirDentposted 13 years ago

   I know that muslims believe Muhammad to have been the prophet like Moses the Bible said will come. If you look at the works of each one, you will see they are completely different.
   
   Moses was one who talked with God face to face.
   
   Muhammad reportedly recieved his word from an angel.
   
   This is only one difference between the two.
   
   Let the games begin.

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      crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      A couple of other differences:
      
      1. Moses was a descendant of Abraham through Isaac (Israelite), and Muhammad was a descendant of Abraham through Ishmael (Arab).
      
      2. Moses was brought up by his mother as a nurse in the Pharaoh's household, Muhammad was an orphan.

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         FranyaBlueposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         These are differences picked out of similarities
         
         Both were of noble families
         
         Both were known to be and raised as orphans within households other than that of their natural parents.

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         1. "Moses was a descendant of Abraham through Isaac (Israelite), and Muhammad was a descendant of Abraham through Ishmael (Arab)."
         
         2. "Moses was brought up by his mother as a nurse in the Pharaoh's household, Muhammad was an orphan."
         
         And they have been killing each other forever since over who has the right sky fairy!

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      mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This is one controversy , did Muhammad gain enlightenment or did he make contact with a higher intelligence like and Angel  which gave him tis message.

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         pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         muhammad is said to be getting god's word through a medium which is Gabriel..there is no controversy in this as far as muslims are concerned..they believe gabriel was medium through which god conveyed his message and later this was made into book called quran..

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            mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            So it wasnt a direct connection with god like the other prophets have had?

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               pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               "The Angel Gabriel visited the Muhammad many times over a period of twenty-three years. Gabriel taught Muhammad the verses and he instructed his scribes to record them. All the revealed verses are compiled in the Qur'an. "
               
               guess so..angel gabriel seems to be inseparable and it is considered to be medium..so i dont think Muhammad had direct connection..though muslims believe muhammad to be perfect human being..something like ideal human being and last prophet which brought last and final word of god..

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                  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes I have heard this story but they also expect another Prophet the Mahdi.

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                     pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     In last sermon that muhammad gave he had said-'O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN'...
                     
                     yes muslims in general believe that christ was lifted directly to heaven and he would come to fight negative forces during end days ,he along with mahdi would fight Ad-Dajjal ..
                     
                     some sunnis differ on mahdi but for shias mahdi is important believe..
                     
                     christ is considered to be prophet in long line of prophets by muslims..since christ was before muhammad , his second coming is in lines of muhammad's final speech...

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                        mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Well if he said it, he was wrong.

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                           paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           In last sermon that muhammad gave he had said-'O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN'...
                           
                           Hi friends
                           
                           Muhammad himself prophesied for the Coming of Jesus from one of his followers at end of times whose other name is Imam Mahdi or the Divine Guided One; so people have misunderstood Muhammad.And fortunately this has happened in the adven of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi.
                           
                           Thanks
                           
                           I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                              mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              If  Muhammad said this he was wrong.

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                                 paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Please bring forth your arguments with elaboration.
                                 
                                 Thanks

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                                    Michael Adams1959posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    One argument is Jesus the Christ actually lived on earth before Mohammed. Mohammed was born around 570-580 and notice  almost 600 years after Jesus.  According to Islamic tradition sometime after Mohammed's 40th birthday he was alone on Mt. Hira, near Mecca, an angel appeared suddenly to him and demanded he recite in the name of God. Failing to respond the angel grabbing him around his throat and shaking him violently until in desperation he did as he was told to avoid choking to death. This is no angel of God.It took 22 years of visions and writings for Mohammed to bring forth the Koran. From the beginning Mohammed himself however doubted the visions and his call and even feared for his sanity.He even felt he was possessed by an evil spirit from the visions he had and the words he wrote.

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   SirDentposted 13 years ago

   Moses was a shepherd. God called him to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt.

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   Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

   Moses was a former Prince of the largest pagan slave nation in human history; turned slave, murderer, shepherd; then deliverer and administrator of the first legal documents pertaining to covenant; then author of the historical events.
   
   Mohammad was a poet.

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   pylos26posted 13 years ago

   Moses had not the brains to be mule driver...but Muhammad did.

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There ya go! That didn't take long!

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      mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Each to his own.

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   pylos26posted 13 years ago

   stiff shirt.

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Moses was a man Messenger of Creator-God Allah YHWH; Jesus could not be like Moses as the Christians incorrectly claim Jesus was a god; no similarity between the two.
   
   Moses had a father; Jesus did not have.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   mevsmyselfposted 13 years ago

   Moses wants people to decorate things and play with draddle.
   Muhammad wants people to kill everyone who doesn't believe in him.

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   I have not imagined Moses as falling under the catigory or defination of a Prophet.  I could be wrong?
   
     I always considered Moses as being more similarly catagorized like a King.  I never compared him with Samuel, Jeramiah, Daniel, etc.
   
     And I am not sure if this makes any diffrence or not ???

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      SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         In this verse is Moses not the messenger of the promise of a Prophet to come ??? 
            There may be scripture describing Moses as being a Prophet and I am unaware of them. I just see him as being more like a King than as a prophet. Depending upon definition I guess he could be seen as both ??????? 
           I just never pictured it that way.

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            SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Moses is the one who wrote this. He is speaking of a future prophet, (a deliverer). There is only one who mets this criteria. His name is Jesus Christ
            
            The way I see him is he is a deliverer, a type of Christ, but not Christ.
            
            He spoke to God face to face. He didn't speak to God through a prophet nor an angel. The children of Israel feared Moses after Moses saw the glory of God. His face shined and he wore a veil to hide it from the people, but it was removed when he spoke with God.
            
            God did many miracles through Moses.
            
            When Moses died, God buried Moses Himself. Israel had never had a king nor wanted one until after they entered the promised land and saw the other nations with kings.

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               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Then we totaly agree.
                 I must have misunderstood the conversation.
               My apologies

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                  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  No apology necessary. I started studying up on historical evidence of Moses outside of Biblical documentation. I did happen to find a site about the Ebla tablets. It looks like a great site to read up on but it also needs clarification. I will have to do some research on it.

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                     Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     For the past approx ten years I've been focusing on the KJV, Attempting to unravel interpretation from those things actually stated in scripture.
                        Attempting to remain unblest as far as believing in God or not.
                        To analyze as a legalist would do in determining what is actually written, uninfluenced by centuries of interpretations.
                     
                        This has straightened my faith in there being a God  as described in the bible.
                        I may be totally wrong in my understanding ?? 
                        But of course I do not believe that I am!
                     
                       I think that "Interpretations" of the word of God has been our downfall from the beginning.
                        It is these interpretations that have created denominations of "Religion" and all of the debate where there should not be any.

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                        mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Very true ,its the lack of proper comprehension of the spiritual texts that has caused denominations and rift.
                        
                        Then off course family and politics had its hand .

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                           Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           As far as Christianity is involved...  I think that this confusion was intentionally caused at the time of the creation of the church that The Roman Empire built.
                              They stayed within the understanding of the religious people of the day only enough that they would participate in this New Church.
                             Because the common people were not allowed access to any of the written word contained within the canon for the first 1000 years of its existence;  the high officials could dictate doctrine as they chose.  By the time that scripture was made available to the people, Interpretations had been planted so deeply that the intended messages written in scripture had become a blur.

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                              wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Jarami, I think there is little doubt that you are correct in that the "interpretations" of the early church are suspect.  We all know the saying about absolute power and corruption and the church VIP's of the time certainly had a power base to protect.  That the doctrine of the day always seemed to protect and enlarge that power base is undeniable and ranged from women (stupid creatures - ignore or kill as required) to infidels (convert or kill in massive crusades as required).
                              
                              This brings out a question, in my mind at least.  It has left modern man with the problem of interpreting the bible, with no real guidance as to just what is correct, which has given rise to millions of different interpretors who all claim to be right.  This does not seem conducive to God's plan.
                              
                              Rather, is it possible that God has already interpreted as much as needs interpretations (Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon perhaps)?  Or has the interpretation been done thousands of years ago in the KJV (take it as read - a literal interpretation)?

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                                 Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Nonsense. You say this as though there has not been 2000 years of wars fighting over this and this is a recent problem. Why ignore reality and history?
                                 
                                 Sooner or later - you must reach the rational conclusion that there is no such thing as god and stop asking stupid questions that lead to stupid wars.
                                 
                                 There is no interpretation to be made. Accept reality. There is no god. Now - how about we all sit down and stop fighting over this nonsense? How many Mormon wars have there been already? And who in their right mind would trust the King of England?

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                                    wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    You make my point, Mark.  I would not and do not trust the King of England.  I am not aware of any Mormon wars of conquest, other than cultural or economic, but I do not necessarily present them as correct, either.  Perhaps a remote Inuit village has the true word.
                                    
                                    Or perhaps the bible should be taken as real and literal.
                                    
                                    On the other hand, the wars are never stupid to the believer.  Just ask the muslim Jihadists if it is "stupid" to kill the infidel as required by their god and thus gain access to the pretty girls.

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                                    SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Let's look at some history shall we? After jesus acended to heaven on a cloud, the Romans paid bounties out to any who would turn Christians in. Pagan did this in the beginninjg of the church and all but one of the original twelve disciples was killed by the Romans.
                                    
                                    Show me how the original twelves started wars with their beliefs? They were persecuted for doing nothing but preaching repentance to all within ear shot.
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    Most of the time there would be no fight, no argument, no debating if atheists would allow believers to dialog in these forums. But of course it is your right to post in these forums and start fights and blame believers for starting them.
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    I have no idea about any Mormon wars. Maybe you can enlighten me.

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    The Darkened Oneposted 13 years ago

    I have got one:
    
    1. Moses was Gay
    
    2. Mohammad was Bi-sexual

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       The Darkened Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       & fyi, Jesus died a virgin...wat a loser!

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    wilderness  wrote
      This brings out a question, in my mind at least.  It has left modern man with the problem of interpreting the bible, with no real guidance as to just what is correct, which has given rise to millions of different interpretors who all claim to be right.  This does not seem conducive to God's plan.
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    Jerami wrote
      What I have done is to scrap them all (Interpretations)
    
       Read Daniel 9:1  This establishes the year that Daniel receives this message from Gabriel as being either 539 BC,
    
      Then Daniel prays and makes supplications until Gabriel comes and delivers a message from God. (verse 21 thru 27)
       We should not change the meaning of these verses in any way, for any reason.
       This establishes a timeline comparison to be used when understanding prophesy.
       This became the foundation of my new belief system.
       The words that is said to have been spoken by Gabriel to Daniel come first and formost in my mind. If these can not be trusted then none of it can be trusted.
       Any understanding that I may think that I have MUST fit within the boundaries of the foundation that I have established for my self.
       We should all give this concept a fair chance to work.

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       wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I fear I am hijacking this thread - if so, let me apologize.
       
       It seems you are referring to interpretations of prophesies, while I referred to all interpretations currently being made of biblical writings.  It just seems to me that 10 people can read the same verse or verses and give 10 different meanings of what the old english words mean.  Different meanings, in turn, means that it is not possible to understand what God truly wants from us.

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          To translate something from one language to another is one thing.
          
            To interpret the meaning of something is to imply a diffrent meaning as that wich might have been supposed.
          
            I do not believe that translation is 1% the problem that interpretation has become.

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    wilderness  said ...I fear I am hijacking this thread - if so, let me apologize.
    
      Yes maybe I have too.  Sorry everyone.

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