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How many Meccans got killed in battles while on war with Muhammad?

  1. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    I would like my friends to calculate the figure of Meccans killed in war with Muhammad- the Prince of Peace, during the life time of Muhammad. It will make a civilized comparison for humanity, I think.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image78
      ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      zzzzz....do not give yourself a reason to think you're under attack. general rule in peace.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't you mean you want to know how many people Muhammad senselessly slaughtered when he conquered Mecca?

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend Q

        You will be surprised to know; none; not a drop of blood was shed, and the hearts of the Meccans got convinced,converted and opened widely; as prophesied earlier; very peacefully indeed.

        It is a marvelous peaceful chapter of history; though misunderstood generally.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. pisean282311 profile image54
          pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          smile

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, it would be have been surprising if your fantasy had any truth to it. Unfortunately, Muhammad was a murderous despot and conquered Mecca, murdering everyone who got in his way.

          To continue fabricating your religious history only serves to make you less convincing and credible, if that were possible.

        3. sabrebIade profile image82
          sabrebIadeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Have you not read any of the historical accounts?

          Battle of Badr:
          14 Muslims killed
          70 Meccans killed, 43-70 captured

          Battle of Uhud
          70 Muslims killed
          44-45 Meccans killed

          Battle of the Trench
          Muslim casualties light, heavy Meccan losses.

          Right after that was the Siege of the Banu Qurayza where the Muslims decided that the men should be killed and women and children enslaved.

          After that in 630, Muhammad marched on Mecca with a force said to number more than ten thousand men, and with minimal casualties, Muhammad took control of Mecca.
          He declared an amnesty for past offenses, except for ten men and women who had mocked and made fun of him in songs and verses. Some of these were later pardoned

          So yeah, a lot of people were killed on the way to and going into Mecca.
          I know you'll ask for proof, so try...

          Ali, Abdullah Yusuf (1987). The Holy Qur'an: Text, Translation & Commentary
          Armstrong, Karen (1992). Muhmmad: Biography of the Prophet
          Crone, Patricia (1987). Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam
          Hodgson, Marshall (1974). The Venture of Islam: The Classical Age of Islam
          Lings, Martin (1983). Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources
          Nicolle, David (1993). Armies of the Muslim Conquest
          Ramadan, Tariq (2007). In the Footsteps of the Prophet
          Watt, W. Montgomery (1956). Muhammad at Medina

          1. profile image69
            paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          2. TMMason profile image64
            TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            it doesn't matter Sabre....

            He will deny and espouse the opposing view like a good lil Muslim. He even thinks the Madhi is going to come in peace. LOl Hahahahaha

            That is hysterical.

            Actually he thinks his Madhi has come already.... heretical and uneducated in his own religion. There would be no Jews or Christians, nor would there be unbelievers still upon the world.

            The entire world would be under Islam and Shari'a had the Madhi come. (or so the story goes.)

            But he insists...

            1. sabrebIade profile image82
              sabrebIadeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I know Christianity has had a long and bloody history.
              I don't embrace that, but I don't deny it either.
              True I wasn't physically around for the Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts etc., but I believe they happened.

              As far as I know from what I have read, Jesus didn't lead any attacks on caravans or cities.

              1. Disappearinghead profile image86
                Disappearingheadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Christianity acknowledges the crusades as a shameful period in history, along with the inquisitions etc. One never hears Islam apologise for their murderous history though.

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                  paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi friend Disappearinghead

                  The concern of the Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslims is the present era. The problems faced by humanity cannot be resolved in history. Every religion and nation has its own history and claims. These issues could be resolved in the roots only. Hence, the present discussion.I have presented things here from the Wikipedia, a neutral source.

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                    (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    True, they will only begin to be solved once religion has disappeared from the planet. Until then, we're screwed.

                  2. erun1 profile image55
                    erun1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    What Miraz (supreme actor) of Ahmedi ..... so die of wash room ..... and who claims to Mary, Jesus, Adam , Noah and much more even once God !! therefore Miraz a Top class liar...... shame on him ............ 
                    And Ahmedi are not muslims because they believe in false Prophet Mirza and ignore the Ayat of Quran and Hadith of Prophet of islam Muhammad (saw) about the Muhammad (SAW) as SEAL OF PROPHET .......

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  And yet, despite such a bloody history, people flock to that cult and continue the shame.

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                    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi friend (Q)

                    The shame is mostly on the part of the Skeptics Atheists and Agnostics;they either had no good history or they are so shameful of that that they don't even own it.

                    Thanks

                    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          3. profile image69
            paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend sabrebIade

            Please check your sources as to how many people were killed on way to and going into Mecca; besides what you have already mentioned in your post " except for ten men and women who had mocked and made fun of him in songs and verses. Some of these were later pardoned".

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    3. topgunjager profile image60
      topgunjagerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      google it

      1. profile image69
        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        OK; and consequently the results have been presented here.

        Thanks

    4. erun1 profile image55
      erun1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      REMEMBER.... AHMEDI ARE NOT MUSLIMS >>>>>>>

  2. TMMason profile image64
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    Mohhamud peaceful...?

    Thats is just too easy.

    I ain't even goin to say anything Paas.

    And the use of the title "prince of peace" is halarious man.

  3. ceciliabeltran profile image78
    ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago

    and war begins

  4. ceciliabeltran profile image78
    ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago

    classic.

    1. TMMason profile image64
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You knew this thread was bait when you came thru the door.

      hahahahaha

      Isn't war what your fishing for?

      Chummin for chumps?

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image78
        ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        it takes three to make a forum going

        1. TMMason profile image64
          TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes it does.

          Yiu know me though.

          I am always up for the fun.

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image78
            ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            what is that dog doing by the way and why does this picture encapsulate you?

  5. TMMason profile image64
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    It represenst what I think I smell every time I hear a leant leftist liberal progressive spout off.

    It makes the perfect statement.

    Every time I hear the babbling inanaity of the left. I think..."What the hell is that smell?". Then I just look at the pic and it is all clear.

  6. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    i count 108 killed, 79 wounded, and 14 suffered a bad rash

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend Greek One

      Will you please provide the detail battle-wise?

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        oh it was terrible!!

        The dead fought until their very last breath, and then some even battled on after that for a few hours!

        1. pisean282311 profile image54
          pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          smile

      2. ceciliabeltran profile image78
        ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you must be very sad at the misconception and misinformation that is being spread about your people.

        1. Greek One profile image77
          Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          you mean by himself?

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image78
            ceciliabeltranposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            hey greek bends, how are we doing?

    2. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      can I update my total?

      I just got work that 1 of the wounded final died (his was a VERY long suffering)

      I now count 109 killed, 78 wounded, and 14 suffered a bad rash

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks

        1. Greek One profile image77
          Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          no problem.. i'll keep you posted as developments happen

  7. LeanMan profile image81
    LeanManposted 7 years ago

    I thought the Meccans were at war with Dan Dare???

    The Meccan was green, flying around on his little personalised flying saucer trying to cause problems for everyone...

    Or am I off on a different tack here??



    Mostly peacful and ass like LM

  8. LeanMan profile image81
    LeanManposted 7 years ago

    http://www.dandare.org.uk/

    I think everything you need about the war is on this website...

    1. pisean282311 profile image54
      pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  9. luvpassion profile image59
    luvpassionposted 7 years ago

    A peaceful war...hmmm, sounds more like a board game.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend luvpassion

      There have been wars for spread of democracy, you know.

      Thanks

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        no, democracy has always spread peacefully

        1. luvpassion profile image59
          luvpassionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I would like my friends to calculate the figure of Meccans killed in "war "with Muhammad- the Prince of Peace,

          You will be surprised to know; none; not a drop of blood was shed.

          You contradict yourself here Mr Ahmadi, if no blood was shed what did they do?

          Thumbwrestle?

  10. TMMason profile image64
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    At the age of 25, Momo was pressed into battle by his uncle Abu Tabir against the Ethiopians. What was the result of this battle for mohhamud?

    How many kills did Mohhamud himself, score?

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend TMMason

      It never happened; please check your sources.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  11. TMMason profile image64
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    oh it did...

    It is a shameful part of your prophets history and one better forgoten as far as Islam is concerned. 

    But yes. It happened.

    You know as well as I do.

    His score was 0.

    Because he ran from the field of Battle and hid.

    His uncle Abu Tabir could barely keep the people of the city of Mecca from killing him, or exiling him.

    Instead... they made him a shephard.

    Something which was considered the lowest rung of the ladder back then.

    Ahhh... poor Momo.

    That lil episode made it a pretty funny thing. When he came back from contemplating his cowardice and shitty life in the hills one day and said he was a prphet.

    I can hear 'em all laughing hysterically now.

    Hahahaha.... yeah musta' been a good one.

    That was a big hurdle to over-come in declaring and enforcing his prophet-ship.

    1. luvpassion profile image59
      luvpassionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Really...I had some respect for him til learning this info. Thanks TM. As a soldiers wife I have no respect for cowardice under fire.

      1. TMMason profile image64
        TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is true to luv. though Islam is loath to admit it.

        I as an Hon. Vet cannot abide a coward.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend TMMason

      I think you saw a bad dream. Now wake up; and quote your sources.

      Thanks

      1. TMMason profile image64
        TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You could read Serge Triffkovik and some others.

        But you wouldn't believe it anyways, Paas.

        You know the sources well as I do. The Qu'ran itself constantly defends Momo and makes allowances for his sick behavior, or bad choices.

        There are so many concilliatory verses in the Qu'ran for Mohhamud it is a joke.

        That book serves Momo's behaviour, and Momo, more than it serves any God.

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi folks

          There are no such historical sources; he might be referring to some fiction work. Others are requested to check and confirm.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. Greek One profile image77
            Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Im not sure how accurate it is, but "The sword of the Prophet" is a book writen by Serge Triffkovik.

            1. TMMason profile image64
              TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I believe he refrences it in there. I also believe Daniel pipes writes on it.

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              paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend Greek One

              I think he is not an historian; Muhammad had not uncle named "Abu Bakr" and Muhammad never fought against Ethiopians.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

              1. TMMason profile image64
                TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yes I noticed my error and corrected it  long ago man. To many Abus in Islam for me...

                The battle and the story is a fact. There were many such battles between the Ethiopeans and Mecca, not to mention the Muslims upon the founding of Islam, also.

                Islam did not spread through peace Paas.

              2. sabrebIade profile image82
                sabrebIadeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Srđa Trifković is a Serbian-American writer and was foreign-affairs editor for the paleoconservative magazine Chronicles  (1998–2009).
                He has a PhD in history from the University of Southampton.
                He is also director of the Center for International Affairs at the Rockford Institute.
                Trifkovic was also an unofficial spokesman for the Republika Srpska government in the 1990’s.
                He is the author of Sword of the Prophet, a book on the history and doctrines of Islam.
                Srđa is also the former consultant to President Vojislav Koštunica.
                He comments on Balkan politics, and is a regular columnist for several conservative publications in the United States.

                So he knows a bit more about history than I do.

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                  paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi friend sabrebIade

                  I thank you for providing me the information about the book and its author. Is the book available online? I will read it.

                  Have you read the book yourself?

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                  1. pisean282311 profile image54
                    pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    @paar ...then why did muhammad moved out of mecca at first place my friend?..since he did , it meant ppl didnt welcome his ideas..isn't it?

                  2. TMMason profile image64
                    TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes Paas.

                    You can purchase Trifkoviks book online.

                    You should also invest in a book by the name of... "The Legacy of Jihad", by Andrew Bostom, and his other works may help you out a bit too.

                2. profile image69
                  paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi friend sabrebIade

                  I have checked Srđa Trifković's book on the Wikipedia; it seems to be more on the current political scenario in the World rather than a history book on the life of Muhammad.

                  I might agree on many points presented by him on the Militant Muslims presently and in the past.
                  He might have only studied the History of the West; I don't see any depth in his writings on roots of Islam or on the Life of Muhammad.

                  We Ahmadi peaceful Muslim; do see always Religion and State separately. You may like to view a Press Conference of Mr. Nasim Mahdi, Vice- President of our Community in America on FOXNEWS in this connection:

                  http://bit.ly/dttFZB

                  http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/ … lam-peace/

                  Thanks

                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  12. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    There were absolutely no killings on the event of conquest of Mecca, it was a very peaceful conquest indeed unparalleled in human history. I give hereunder a chart given by Wikipedia, link at the end:


    Conquest of Mecca
    Part of the Muslim-Quraysh Wars

    Date    11 January, 630 CE

    Location    Mecca

    Result    Muslim victory and Quraish surrender

    Belligerents
    Muslims
    Quraysh

    Commanders
    Muhammad
    Abu Sufyan ibn Harb

    Strength
    10,000    Unknown
    Casualties and losses
    0    0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca

    for the details, the above link should be accessed.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  13. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    Regarding Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, between Muhammad and the Meccans, Wikipedia adds:

    Thus, Muhammad was left with "no alternative" but march on to Mecca. With the 10,000 men of his army, he marched on to Mecca where he ordered his troops not to harm women, children, old people, those who surrender, those who are sick, those who are weak, not to destroy houses, and destroy trees or gardens.

    Thus, there was no bloodshed in the conquest of Mecca.

    Islam spread widely and quickly during the two years that the treaty was in effect.

    While Muhammad had 1,400 followers when he signed the treaty in Hudaybiyya, he had well over 10,000 for his conquest of Mecca two years later.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah

    As could be seen and observed Islam spreads more in peace than in war; due to its brilliant, rational and reasonable arguments.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. TMMason profile image64
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Stop it oaas... my stomach hurtds sooo bad from luaghing.... it isn't funny anymore.

      Islam spread through te sword Paas. We all know it.

      Your Islamic history is as revisionist, as the left's American history.

      You guys are toooo funny.

    2. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "Thus, Muhammad was left with "no alternative" but march on to Mecca. With the 10,000 men of his army, he marched on to Mecca where he ordered his troops not to harm women, children, old people, those who surrender, those who are sick, those who are weak, not to destroy houses, and destroy trees or gardens."

      As per your quote above....

      Why would someone have an "army" if he intends to spread Islam pecefully?

      We would someone give specific instructions for not harming certain groups of people if he intends not to harm anyone at all?

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friends

        I quoted the source as it is; one could form one's own opinion; it is OK with me.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  14. Rishy Rich profile image76
    Rishy Richposted 7 years ago

    Lets take a look at our peaceful prophets messages:

    Um Haram informed us that she heard Muhammad the Great prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition."

    Um Haram added, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?'

    He replied, 'You are amongst them.' 

    Muhammad then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, [/b]'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative." [/b]

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 175 Narrated Khalid bin Madan.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend Rishy Rich

      This is not in Quran; all teachings of Muhammad must emanate from Quran; where we have the context and reason/wisdom of the things happened in Muhammad's time; it is better than seeing things live. It is the root source among Muslims, whatever the denomination.

      Hadith was not collected in Muhammad's time; it was  collected some 250/300 years of Muhammad, and there is no consensus on their authenticity; it does not provide the context of the things.

      Why do you bank upon the auxiliary sources; shows your weak viewpoint?

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. LeanMan profile image81
        LeanManposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I prefer the teachings in the "eagle" comic from when I was a kid... Dan Dare always beat the Mekon in the end....

        No big debates, no problems...

        What are you two fighting about anyway?? God is God.. do you think he cares about your petty squabbles?? I don't think so....

        If you fight with an idiot no one will ever tell you apart.....

      2. Rishy Rich profile image76
        Rishy Richposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Who use to memorize the quran? His followers! Who use to write down hadiths? His followers! 

        Its not weakness in my view, its the hypocrite nature within most muslims which hide the flaws of islam by selectively choosing hadiths depending on the context of any arguement!

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend Rishy Rich

          Hence; we only depend on the root; the first source of guidance for all the Muslims that is Quran; and in fact the only powerful historic source of Muhammad's life and his time. It is for your convenience also; you find all things that matter in a compact source.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. Rishy Rich profile image76
            Rishy Richposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I dont think the root mentions that Jesus moved to India neither the root mentions the name "Mirza Ghulam" roll

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              paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think, it does not pertain to the topic here; you may however express anything you like; It is OK with me

              Thanks

    2. erun1 profile image55
      erun1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      First of all .... you did not mention the book name and secondly  that is 100% accurate if spoken My Prophet of Islam Muhammad (saw) !!

  15. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    I think everybody here now agrees that there was no fight between the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah done in March 628 CE till the death of Muhammad in June 632.

    If there was one; please correct the figures; otherwise it would be considered a peaceful period; and Islam progressed in peace very much as is evidenced:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No, the evidence is clear, Muhammad murdered many to spread Islam.

    2. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol.. i love you paarsyrrey...

      you set up a forum topic without fact about a certain place where Islam has spread peacefully.. and then despite what anyone writes, you always sum up with "I think we can not agree that Islam spread peacefully"

      What geographic area are we covering next?

      Brazil?
      Mexico?
      Uranus?

      1. Rishy Rich profile image76
        Rishy Richposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Who lives in uranus? big_smile

        1. Greek One profile image77
          Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          a secret army of soldiers that have been stuck up there since I ate those two big macs the other night

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            (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So, you're just a modern version of the Trojan horse?

            Beware Greek One's bearing Trojans. wink

            1. Greek One profile image77
              Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              i hope i don't have to wait until the cover of night sad

  16. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friend Greek One,(Q),Rishy Rich and others who opt to respond

    Please see; I asked for only the period  CE 628-632;

    "I think everybody here now agrees that there was no fight between the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah done in March 628 CE till the death of Muhammad in June 632."

    If you disagree; then please mention their names or number of Meccans killed in this period with your evidences in this connection.

    If you cannot; then obviously, there was none.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      there were 24525 killed

      they were all named Bob

      1. LeanMan profile image81
        LeanManposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        if it is not the war between dan dare and the mekon..

        Maybe he means mexicans...

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You mean nobody was killed as you have not given any source to confirm; I get it.

        Thanks

  17. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    Muhammad was born in the year CE 570 and he died in CE 632; he died at the age of 62/63 years.
    He lived in Mecca upto the age of 52/53 years.
    He migrated to Medina in CE 622; and live there for about ten years.

    Out of this in the last four years; the period between Treaty of Hudaybiyyah and the peaceful conquest of Mecca there were no killings of Meccans.

    Now going to the post of our friend sabrebIade on page 2, four days ago, the previous battle between the Meccans and the Muslims was Battle of Trench.

    “Battle of the Trench
    Muslim casualties light, heavy Meccan losses”

    Please see details by accessing the link:

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/43801

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. profile image60
      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Now I get it. "Peaceful" means going to war and slaughtering everyone, with Ahmadi.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend (Q)

        It is Muhammad's arguments that convinced the Meccans; so they attacked Muhammad and his followers lest their blind faith would come to an end.

        You could see Medina people were only 3000 in numbers when 10000 Meccans attacked Medina; but after a year or two, when the Meccans tore away the Treaty of Hudaibiyya, and Muslims marched to Mecca; Muslims have increased to 10000 people. They all peacefully joined ranks of Muhammad.

        If you ponder; you will agree with me; no compulsion.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. profile image60
          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Only if my brains disappeared entirely and were replaced with bat guano.

          1. erun1 profile image55
            erun1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upOhSJTt8RE

            watch !! this video VERSE OF QURAN clearly mentions that Muhammad (saw) is seal of Prophet

            1. profile image60
              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              How do the deluded ramblings of one Muslim fanatic make clarity of another?

  18. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    1.    Muhammad was born in the year CE 570 and he died in CE 632; he died at the age of 62/63 years.
    He lived in Mecca up to the age of 52/53 years.
    He migrated to Medina in CE 622; and lived there for about ten years.
    2.    Out of this in the last four years; the period between Treaty of Hudaybiyyah and the peaceful conquest of Mecca there were no killings of Meccans.
    3.    Now going to the post of our friend sabrebIade on page- 2 (http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/43398?page=2) the previous battle between the Meccans and the Muslims was Battle of Trench.
    “Battle of the Trench
    Muslim casualties- light, heavy Meccans losses”
    5.    It was the Meccans who in large numbers preferred to attack at Medina; Muhammad had to defend his position with much less numbers; so it was the Meccans who were the aggressors and were at fault, and those who were killed were the responsibility of the Meccans on both sides.
    6.    Before the Battle of trench; the battle of Uhud was fought:

    Battle of Uhud

    Part of the Muslim-Quraysh Wars
    Date 19 March, 625
    Location: The valley that is located in front of Mount Uhud, and it is located about 5 miles (8.0 km) from Medina
    Result Tactical Meccan victory
    Strategically indecisive

    Belligerents
    Muslims Quraysh-led Meccan coalition
    Commanders –Muslim:
    Muhammad
    Hamza ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalibbr>Ali ibn Abi Taleb
    Muslim Strength:
    700 infantry,2-4 cavalry

    Commanders -Meccans
    Abu Sufyan ibn Harb
    Khalid ibn al-Walid
    Ikrimah ibn Abi-Jahl
    Meccan Stregth:
    3,000 infantry,
    200 cavalry[1]

    Muslim Casualties and losses :70
    Meccans Casualties and losses: 44-45

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Uhud

    It was the Meccans who were the aggressors as they attacked Medina with much large numbers than Muslims in Medina. The casualties of Muslims of 70+casualties of Meccans 45= 115, was therefore the responsibility of Meccans; Muhammad only defended his position.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Have you noticed yet that no matter how many times you repeat this mantra, no one is biting?  smile

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend (Q)

        I will express truth peacefully as I see it; I don't mind if some have deaf ears:

        It was the Meccans who were the aggressors

        Muhammad only defended his position.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But you don't, you only cause conflict, no peace. That is what we observe.

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    So we have observed that going reverse from the opening of Mecca for Muhammad upto the Battle of Uhud; the Meccans attacked Medina; they were the agressors and in large numabers they attacked and Muhmmad had to defend his position with much less numbers and he won with the mercy of the Creator-God Allah YHWH. The Meccans being aggressors were responsible for the killings that happened.

    I think now everybody understands it.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, your work here is done. I suspect you'll be leaving now?

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I am here; don't worry, just going for a walk.

        Thanks

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    1.    Muhammad was born in the year CE 570 and he died in CE 632; he died at the age of 62/63 years.
    He lived in Mecca up to the age of 52/53 years.
    He migrated to Medina in CE 622; and lived there for about ten years.

    2.    Out of this in the last four years; the period between Treaty of Hudaybiyyah and the peaceful conquest of Mecca there were no killings of Meccans.

    3.    It were the Meccans who attacked Medina ,in large numbers, in the battle of Trench, battle of Uhud and battle of Badr; hence they were responsible for any blood shed done and causalities suffered by both sides.

    I think it should not be difficult to understand for anybody.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, but it is very difficult to understand, considering most of the known world was conquered by Muslims in less than a century.

      Do you understand the word, "Conquered?" smile

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    Muhammad never invaded any country "to conquer"; what he has to do with conquering territories? He won hearts of the people with brilliant arguments in Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Muhammad conquered what is denoted in brown while the Caliphates conquered the rest of the known world after his death.

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Age-of-caliphs.png/800px-Age-of-caliphs.png

 
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