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the greatest sin is ?

  1. Jerami profile image75
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    To thine own self be true !

    this is not a statement to incourage a self serving lifestyle.

    I think that this is saying  ...  you can lie to your neighbor or to the rest of the world, but the most damaging thing that we can do is lie to ourselves.
     
      And we are ALL doin it!.. in ways that we are unaware.
      And We just caint quidit.

      Back on topic...  How many ways do YOU  lie to YOURselves.

       I'll go first. 
      I did the best that I could have done with what I had to work with.. 
      I have a lot of them but don't want to use them all up.

    1. wesleycox profile image80
      wesleycoxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The greatest sin is forcing religion on other people by posting religious statements in forums.

      1. Disappearinghead profile image84
        Disappearingheadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        This is the Religions & Beliefs forum. The clue is in the title. If they were being posted on the Arts & Crafts forum, mmmm you would have a point there. wink

    2. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The greatest sin is believing there's such a thing as sin and depriving yourself of many of the honest joys of life.
      Ya only live once for gosh sakes LIVE it!

      1. Jerami profile image75
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        But ya don't want to forget about sin.
        Do ya know what the definition of sin is?
        Sin is anything that is going to bite ya when you pick it up.
        It is a sin to lay your hand flat on top of grandpas Ben Franklin wood burning fireplace when it has a fire in it.

          When the fire goes out it aint a sin to touch it any more.

          And it can be a sin to hook a bra .... when your asistence wasn't asked for..

          Sin can be a lot of things depending upon timing

        1. Disappearinghead profile image84
          Disappearingheadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I believe that sin was originaly used in archery parlance. If when a bowman shot off his arrow it failed to reach its target by failing short, the instructor would sy "Thou hast sinned". Hence to sin is to fall short of God's standards. Fortunatley for us, He's already thought of this and given us His Son to stand in our place.

          1. Jerami profile image75
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You are right and again i can see a parralel between both statements. Seems like thr rules are about not hurting ourselves or others. Maybe a bit over simplistic, but I find it easier to stay within the boundaries when doin my simple thinking.  And then I fall short sometimes anyway.

      2. pisean282311 profile image52
        pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        @qwark i personally agree with u..there is nothing like sin only experience as far as i m concerned..

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend pisean282311

          When one sins; one misses the purpose of life; that is total loss, one must remember.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Wrong. Please consider thinking and using reason and rational thought instead of blind faith. I am sin-free, so you can take it from me - when one imagines sins (which do not exist) - then one feels obliged to tell others they are sinning - this causes wars and conflict.

            Truthful atheist who does not need to lie.

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              Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              couldn't have said it better, Marcus (less the run on sentence jeje.) Sin no longer exists. People miss out on life because they still think -and that thinking tells them SIN (Still In Neverland).

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I am practicing for the "Dark and Stormy night" contest,. That is my excuse in any case. big_smile

          2. pisean282311 profile image52
            pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            @paar i disagree with u..what is sin and what is not sin is subjective matter..when one does something which u call a sin might not be sin as per the doer or he/she might be doing it unknowingly..it adds to experience and serves purpose of life...

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I dunno what the "greatest" sin is....
      but I think the most subtle & deceptive one is unbelief.

      1. Jerami profile image75
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If something is true and ya don't believe it does hurt ya. As you say; it can be subtle.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Such as? Because I get the impression Brenda means - getting a divorce is OK now. LOLOLOLO

          1. Jerami profile image75
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm all out of such as's. 

               No I got one..  If somebody tells me that my pants are on fire I need to check before I dismiss the notion.

              Or if they tell me that the boat has a hole in it and I take it out any way.
               Now that I got started They keep coming.
               Na that is enough for now.

          2. Jerami profile image75
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well I got one one time. (divorce)
               That is a habit I don't want to get caught up in.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jerami, sin is law of a religion, hence one religions sin may very well not be a sin in another religion. The concept of sin loses all meaning when trying to determine what is and what is not a sin.

      Lying cannot be a sin. Lying is condoned under certain circumstances in some religions. In fact, people lie to each other all the time to protect their feelings from being hurt, for example.

      “Hymns and Christian songs have made many liars.”

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend (Q)

        Sin is doing anything against the commandments of the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

        Quran gives its commandments with the reasons as to why a commandment is given; all commandments are pro-life, attuned to the purpose of life and attuned to the purpose of Evolution set in motion by the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

        Mistakes and errors are not sins.

        There are no hereditary sins or the original sins as wrongly held by the mythical Christianity founded by the clever Paul.

        Sins are forgiven if the sinner repents, resolves not to commit it in future and ask forgiveness from the Creator- God Allah YHWH; he may forgive under his sole discretion without consultation with anybody, like Jesus.

        The Creator-God Allah YHWH needs no artificial human sacrifice of Jesus or anybody else; it is no requirement for forgiveness of sins and is unrelated to it and cruel also.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Did you feel the need to repeat what I just said or did you not read my post, again?



          If that were true, there would not be anything in the Quran that would promote violence, which is not pro-life or attuned to the purpose of life, but only serves to promote Islamic beliefs.



          Quran right, Christianity wrong, yes, we know your Islamic agenda of provoking others while always claiming to be peaceful.



          Ah, the hypocrisy of the indoctrinated, always ready to commit acts of evil only to be forgiven so they may go out and commit them again without reproach.



          Anti-Christian propaganda or Pro-Islamic propaganda, you be the judge.

  2. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    I am true to myself. I know this, because of all the previous years that I was not and how it changed my life. wink smile

  3. LeanMan profile image81
    LeanManposted 7 years ago

    I am always true to myself except when I'm not.. I never lie (did I just sin?)


    What's happened to my nose??

  4. prettydarkhorse profile image64
    prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

    lie to others -- being deceptive

    if you lie to yourself you are creating a destruction to yourself only
    if you lie to others you trick them as well as yourself,

    I think I dont know how to measure the gravity of greatest sin, I would like to say -- brutality to children, abuse to children are the worst sins

    1. LeanMan profile image81
      LeanManposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi PDH,

      I have to agree with the brutality to children comment, I hate it when kids are made to suffer..

      By the way, talking of sinners, did you vote and who for??

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image64
        prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hehe, Hi Leanman, how are you,

        1. LeanMan profile image81
          LeanManposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm fine... how are you??

          1. prettydarkhorse profile image64
            prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Good, eating bagoong with veggies hehe ginamos

    2. DevLin profile image61
      DevLinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Gotta agree. We all lie to ourselves at some point, to get through some of our biggest ordeals. What we let happen to children, is worse than sinning.

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Please let's not start about "protecting the children" or "we must do for the children, we owe it to them". hmm

        1. LeanMan profile image81
          LeanManposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          heheehe

          I love children, but I couldn't eat a whole one...

        2. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But, Cags, sometimes the lies we tell ourselves about our children is the only thing keeping them alive!  big_smile

          And actually that might bring up a point - sometimes our lies to ourselves may be good things.

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe for you. hmm
            Not really, but if you want to believe that, I'm sure you can. hmm

    3. Jerami profile image75
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry just wanted a catchy title.
        But don't think that them folks that are abusing those children are lieing to themselves?

      Maybe whenever we self justify we are not being honest to ourselves????

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Justification is an excuse people make up to suit themselves, because they are not being honest with themselves or others. hmm

      2. prettydarkhorse profile image64
        prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        they dont lie to others, they are just mean hehe
        self justification, whats the measure, your own self value, based on?
        basically we are selfish -- self centered people -- we are always self justifying our actions for self preservation -- we dont admit at times we also falter

  5. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 7 years ago

    I'm dumb as a pile of rocks and ugly to boot.

    Wait......Did I lie about lying to myself?

    Or maybe.. I lied when lying about the lie to me?

    Can I just be true to my lies about lying when I lied and said I lie instead of to me?

    I'm so confused!

    1. Jerami profile image75
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Me too  and by the way your avitar is of the cutest little  boy?  since me. Or am I lieing to myself again?  I wasn't ever that cute.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My grandson.  It WAS a good pic!  Looks like a little elf.

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years ago

    I think the greatest sin is trying to convince yourself and others you've never made one.

  7. Jerami profile image75
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I think that every one has a boat load of self justification, excuses and alabis.  Whe never run out. until we stop using them.

      Ya know what they say  Use it or lose it.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are of course correct.  Mankind has the most amazing ability to rationalize whatever he wants into Truth.  Most of that is the willingness to use the self justification, excuses, alabis and outright lying to himself that you reference.

      1. Jerami profile image75
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So;  in a way of its own, this weakness of mankind just might be the covering for the most horrendous of sins.
          Pride and my own ability for self justification???

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And pride and justification feed on each other in a positive feedback situation.

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years ago

    the greatest sin is not helping someone when you can.  Anyone.

    1. Jerami profile image75
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So; ya need any help withy that catch clip?

      1. Jerami profile image75
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry I should not have ask that.  Do I need to express a realy good excuse for my being bad?


        gotta go do an estament.

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        kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

  9. Jerami profile image75
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    And I think that it is an atrocity  when people make me eat too much cake and ice cream. … Makes me fat.

    So  I stay out of the kitchen and don't give them a chance.  To hurt me.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Mark, while your fascination with me is interesting,  your continued harrassment of me only serves to prove your lack of manners and sensible thought processes.   Don't you have a cake to bake somewhere?

  11. Precious Pearl profile image75
    Precious Pearlposted 7 years ago

    If I were to choose one as being the greatest sin it would be grieving the Holy Spirit through doubt and unbelief.

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    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    ...sin itself?

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      SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I must say that I agree with this reply. The wages of sin is death.

  13. akirchner profile image94
    akirchnerposted 7 years ago

    Stupidity and prejudice - thinking that you have all the answers and judging others before you know all the facts.  Or not researching things and labeling people or beliefs based on what popular opinion is or what others say.  I think it is important in all aspects of life to keep an open mind and to be kind.  You can have differing opinions but when you label people or reject them, refuse to even consider other sides of a coin because of mindset or without at least trying to see the other side, you slip into being uncharitable and I think we all should be giving - of ourselves, our time, our minds, our resources.  No one is an island and I think we all need to be more tolerant.  The opposite in my humble opinion is the sin because we weren't put on this earth to judge.

  14. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Paarsurrey wrote:

    Quran gives its commandments with the reasons as to why a commandment is given; all commandments are pro-life, attuned to the purpose of life and attuned to the purpose of Evolution set in motion by the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

    (Q) wrote:

    If that were true, there would not be anything in the Quran that would promote violence, which is not pro-life or attuned to the purpose of life, but only serves to promote Islamic beliefs.

    Paarsurrey says:

    Quran is very peaceful and there is no violence in it. If you only could quote text of ONE such verse, with five preceding and five following verses for the usual context and then prove your viewpoint. I don't mind if others friends here join you in finding ONE such verse in Quran. THERE IS NO VIOLENCE IN QURAN; it is just your misunderstanding my friend.

    Now, get on searching any such verse.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. profile image60
      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Shout it from rooftops, shout if from the highest mountain tops of the world if you so wish.

      Taqiyaa

      Qur'an 3:28: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."

      “To save life, honour. Or property (either one’s own or of other believers) by hiding one’s belief or religion”.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend (Q)

        I give here the verse with the verses in the context, which you had not given lest you will be exposed:

        [3:24] Dost thou not know of those who have been given their portion of the Book? They are called to the Book of Allah that it may judge between them, but a party of them turn away in aversion.
        [3:25] That is because they say, ‘The Fire shall not touch us, except for a limited number of days.’ And what they used to forge has deceived them regarding their religion. [3:26] How will they fare when We will gather them together on the Day about which there is no doubt; and when every soul shall be paid in full what it has earned, and they shall not be wronged?
        [3:27] Say, ‘O Allah, Lord of sovereignty, Thou givest sovereignty to whomsoever Thou pleasest; and Thou takest away sovereignty from whomsoever Thou pleasest. Thou exaltest whomsoever Thou pleasest and Thou abasest whomsoever Thou pleasest. In Thy hand is all good. Thou surely hast power to do all things.
        [3:28] ‘Thou makest the night pass into the day and makest the day pass into the night. And Thou bringest forth the living from the dead and bringest forth the dead from the living. And Thou givest to whomsoever Thou pleasest without measure.’
        [3:29] Let not the believers take disbelievers for friends in preference to believers — and whoever does that has no connection with Allah — except that you cautiously guard against them. And Allah cautions you against His punishment; and to Allah is the returning [3:30] Say, ‘Whether you conceal what is in your breasts or reveal it, Allah knows it; and He knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And Allah has power to do all things.’
        [3:31] Beware of the Day when every soul shall find itself confronted with all the good it has done and all the evil it has done. It will wish there were a great distance between it and that evil. And Allah cautions you against His punishment. And Allah is Most Compassionate to His servants.
        [3:32] Say, ‘If you love Allah, follow me: then will Allah love you and forgive you your faults. And Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.’
        [3:33] Say, ‘Obey Allah and the Messenger;’ but if they turn away, then remember thatAllah loves not the disbelievers.

        http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=23

        Now you can see how wrong you are.

        Quran mentions of no Taqiyya, it could be "made in Skepticism" or the like.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. profile image60
          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          "Ibn Kathir (d. 1373, second in authority only to Tabari) writes, "Whoever at any time or place fears their [infidels'] evil may protect himself through outward show."

          Muhammad's close companion, Abu Darda, who said, "Let us smile to the face of some people [non-Muslims] while our hearts curse them"; another companion, al-Hassan, said, "Doing taqiyya is acceptable till the Day of Judgment [i.e., in perpetuity]."

  15. luvpassion profile image61
    luvpassionposted 7 years ago

    The greatest sin according to islam is, associating partners with god.

    Christianity...Then said he who had invited him: 'Master, which is the greatest sin?'
         
    Jesus answered: 'Which is the greatest ruin of a house?' 

    Every one was silent, when Jesus with his finger pointed to the foundation, and said: 'If the foundation give way, immediately the house falleth in ruin, in such wise that it is necessary to build it up anew: but if every other part give way it can be repaired. Even so then say I to you, that idolatry is the greatest sin, because it depriveth a man entirely of faith, and consequently of God; so that he can have no spiritual affection. But every other sin leaveth to man the hope of obtaining mercy:  and therefore I say that idolatry is the greatest sin.'

    Any similarities here?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Teri.
      Is that a direct quote from the Q'uran?

      1. luvpassion profile image61
        luvpassionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Brenda...actually the first is from a devout Muslim Cleric, I'm sure he got it from Quran.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The greatest sin according to islam is, associating partners with god.



        Hi friends

        I quote the text of the verse with the verses in the context:

        [31:7] And of men is he who takes idle tales in exchange for guidance to lead men astray from the path of Allah, without knowledge, and to make fun of it. For such there will be humiliating punishment.
        [31:8] And when Our Signs are recited to him, he turns proudly away, as though he heard them not, as if there were a heaviness in both his ears. So announce to him a painful punishment.
        [31:9] Surely those who believe and do good works — they will have Gardens of Delight, [31:10] Wherein they will abide. Allah has made a true promise; and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
        [31:11] He has created the heavens without any pillars that you can see, and He has placed in the earth firm mountains that it may not quake with you, and He has scattered therein all kinds of creatures; and We have sent down water from the clouds, and caused to grow therein every noble species.
        [31:12] This is the creation of Allah. Now show me what others beside Him have created. Nay, but the wrongdoers are in manifest error.
        [31:13] And We bestowed wisdom on Luqman, saying, ‘Be grateful to Allah:’ and whoso is grateful, is grateful only for the good of his own soul. And whoso is ungrateful, then surely Allah is Self-Sufficient, Praiseworthy.
        [31:14] And remember when Luqman said to his son while exhorting him, ‘O my dear son! associate not partners with Allah. Surely, associating partners with God is a grievous wrong.’
        [31:15] And We have enjoined on man concerning his parents — his mother bears him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning takes two years — ‘Give thanks to Me and to thy parents. Unto Me is the final return.
        [31:16] ‘And if they contend with thee to make thee set up equals with Me concerning which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not, but be a kind companion to them in allworldly affairs; and in spiritual matters follow the way of him who turns to Me. Then unto Me will be your return and I shall inform you of what you used to do.’

        http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10

        Please see verse [31:14] above.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  16. Jerami profile image75
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    paarsurrey wrote:
    THERE IS NO VIOLENCE IN QURAN

       You just lied to your self!   I hope thay you feel bad upon yourself??????????

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Thanks.

  18. Jerami profile image75
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I think that the greatest sin that we committ is the lie that we tell ourselves and believe it!

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    Non-offensiveUserposted 7 years ago

    The greatest sin is SIN itself!

  20. optimus grimlock profile image54
    optimus grimlockposted 7 years ago

    damn you guys have great points! Casting judgement onto others before you cast it upon yourself, that is the biggest sin along with lieing!!!

  21. watchya profile image59
    watchyaposted 7 years ago

    The greatest sin is not to love yourself.

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    Non-offensiveUserposted 7 years ago

    The greatest sin is to deny chipmunks with flowers.

    1. watchya profile image59
      watchyaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Because I love myself ,I always deny them big_smile

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        Non-offensiveUserposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Love yourself and small furry burrowing animals...

        1. watchya profile image59
          watchyaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I don't have the time. Busy with real men big_smile

  23. BDazzler profile image80
    BDazzlerposted 7 years ago

    I wrote a hub on the topic ... it's not what most people think.

    1. watchya profile image59
      watchyaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Very boring topic big_smile

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    Non-offensiveUserposted 7 years ago

    The greatest sin is to waste your valuable time screwing around on this thread instead of leading a productive life.

    1. watchya profile image59
      watchyaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So why are you here ? LOL

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        Non-offensiveUserposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No one's perfect.  Even chipmunks have vices.

  25. USMCwifey09 profile image70
    USMCwifey09posted 7 years ago

    There's a difference between sin and mistake. Mistake is an act (of sorts) that the person is unaware that whatever it is they say, do, act is wrong (either defined by religion or society, or whatever they follow). Sin, on the other hand, is knowing before hand what you're doing in wrong, and still continue to do so, even knowing what the consequences would be.
    Sin is sin, period. Whether it's lying, cheating, murder. All of it is wrong. Now, clearly murder is more atrocious than say, stealing from your Dad's wallet, but if you are an active believer in any form of religion, then you (presumably) understand that there's a higher being that is to be the judge.

    *this post is not meant to be judgmental of anyone's beliefs, and is not meant to purposefully offend, it's merely my own opinion.

 
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