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Homsexuality and the Church

  1. rshipman profile image76
    rshipmanposted 7 years ago

    There are many opinions on homosexuality and the church. The question of the day is  "Does God accept the homosexual lifestyle? share you views with me.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No He doesn't accept it.  He doesn't accept sin at all.
      What He accepts is repentance;  what He does is cover the repentant and strengthen them to walk in His ways.

      I read your hub;  seems like a good testimony!  I know of others besides you who've come out of that lifestyle and given their temptations up to the Lord.  Thanks for being a witness that it CAN be done.

      1. rshipman profile image76
        rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        thank you so much  yes all things are possible through Christ.

    2. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is rather absurd to think that God would not accept part of his own creation, since according to believers, He created everything.

      If He doesn't accept gays, then He should accept His own inadequacies for creating them.

      1. pisean282311 profile image53
        pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        perfect ..i agree with u...also since god created humans as per belief , he should be responsible for thoughts which enters brain..if he wanted certain things in certain way , he should have programmed brain in that way only..

        1. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this



          Exactly.  But this simple logic is too much for the deluded mind to grasp.  Short-sighted ignorance will always prevail in the mind of deluded, fearful, hateful non-thinkers.

      2. rshipman profile image76
        rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        yes he does love his creation but he doesn't accept sin any type rather it be homosexuality or lying. Jesus died on the cross so that all of our sins would be covered and we could be free from sin

        1. pisean282311 profile image53
          pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          @rshipman well what is sin?..if lying is sin ..99% population of world would become sinner..ofcourse lying is not virtue but most do lie..dont they?..what about straight people abusing their partners..adultery too might be considered sin..isn't it?..homos are minority in numbers and how can be judge about what is bigger sin?..1 out of 7 people in world starving?..several other species becoming extinct because of humans?...crime against woman?..exploitation of people all across the globe..terrorism?...or homo sexuality?..

        2. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this



          As we have asked other believers who have asserted things like this, where is your proof?  If you have no proof, it is more than likely, only your biased opinion, which holds no merit in the real world.

          Furthermore, the act of "reforming" homosexuals is one of the worse abuses of the human psyche.  In my opinion, it is a form of brutal brainwashing, using fear and guilt.  It's tantamount to changing a heterosexual into a homosexual.

    3. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ...the bible says the homosexual should be killed.
      Does that answer your question?

      1. rshipman profile image76
        rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        that was the old testament before Jesus Christ came now his desire isn't for any to  be killed because of  their sin. But that we all come to repentance and be changed.

        1. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          rshipman:
          If you are a "believer," the bible is, literally, the word of god.
          If god is perfect and his words SPECIFICALLY demand that the homosexual should be killed, why would you think a god who could make no mistakes would change his mind?
          Are you intimating that god didn't mean what he said?
          "...don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain!"
          "Lions and tigers and bears...OH MY!"

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Believers speak for their invisible gods, as they've done so for centuries. You will not have an answer to this question until you hear from the horses mouth, so to speak.

      In other words, you'll have to go with what believers believe, and you WILL like it, or else. wink

    5. Paul Wingert profile image78
      Paul Wingertposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Homosexuality is natural in the animal kindom (humans included). Sin is man made.

  2. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Okay, I know I'm not going to be well liked for this comment, but yeah...

    What god would you be referring to exactly?

    Just curious.

    As for your question- Does god accept the homosexual lifestyle?

    What difference does it make? Are you asking because you are?

    Or are you simply trying to annoy those who are homosexual? Because, you refuse to understand that it is not your place to interfere in their life. But, I guess that would kinda slip your mind.

    You have your right to life and right to choose, it would be nice if the religious folk on planet Earth, would mind their business and stop infringing upon other people's life.

    Just a thought.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And there is the quandary, my friend. Even omitting religion, those of that preference of life infringe upon those who do not prefer it.
      Especially by making it a public issue. Had they kept it private, that lifestyle would have been no one's business but their own.

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image88
        Jeff Berndtposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good point!

        We heterosexuals should keep "that preference of life" private. Then it'll be nobody's business but our own. We won't celebrate our weddings in big public ceremonies, nor will we get them legally recognized by the state. It'll be nice and private, and that should be enough for us. We shouldn't need to have the approval of the state or the community at large if we want to spend the rest of our lives with, and build a family with, the person we love.

        We heterosexual couples shouldn't walk arm-in-arm, hold hands, or kiss in public. After all, that would make our preferences a public issue, when it should really be a private matter, and nobody's business but our own.

    2. rshipman profile image76
      rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      your comment is well accepted  by me I actually lived the homosexual lifestyle for over ten years and have been changed by the mercy and Grace of Jesus Christ.  may God bless you richly and show you his goodness.

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You changed because you felt the need to change. It did not happen for any other reason and once you learn to accept that then you might actually accept full responsibility for your entire life and find out that you have no use for "GOD", as you would say....

        Jesus' - NOT Christ - is your path to understand- his work and his words - not what is in religion. hmm

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    It would be nice if the liberal people would stop trying to take away the free speech of the Redeemed/Forgiven.   Just another thought.

    1. tobey100 profile image61
      tobey100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Amen (am I allowed to use that word?)

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yep;  so far anyway.   Who knows for how long, but so far.
        smile

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Brenda, no one is taking away your free speech, so quit pointing it out. It's a foolish task, because your post and ability to do so, is not hampered by what other people say.

      So, do everyone a favor- stay true to your religion- and do not lie about others. Because, your statement is an out-right lie.

      No one is infringing on your right to voice your thoughts, but that same token, everyone has the same right.

      I can see you are self-absorbed, but come down to reality, because your imagination is doing a number on you. lol

    3. rshipman profile image76
      rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree

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      zampanoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Love hides in the most misterious places...

    5. Daniel Carter profile image90
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I thought the conservative Christian radicals were trying to shut down free speech of those who disagreed with them.

      My bad.
      lol

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You can never confront Brenda on her beliefs, you are denying her freedom... Of course, she is allowed to insult and criticize and call names with impunity.

  4. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    ONO Boring.......... Here We Go Again hmm

    Who Really Gives a Rat's Butt?

    Why don't you address this issue to Warren Jeffs or some other religious cult leader that promotes a wide range of anal excavations and activities in the name of his god? yikes

    1. rshipman profile image76
      rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I  actually care because homosexuality is a much debatable issue in the church and the world by the way I;m a christian and soley believe that christ doesn't agree with homosexuality but truely loves the person

  5. tobey100 profile image61
    tobey100posted 7 years ago

    Depends on whether or not you believe the Bible to be God's word.  I would assume the church would do so, therefore homosexuality is unacceptable.

    Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

    Even though God loves his 'creations' he will still punish them.  He says so himself.  You love your children, do you punish them for being disobedient?

    1. Jerami profile image74
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is no doubt that these verses are telling us to not participate in anal sex. That just isn’t how our bodies were built to operate.
      The rest is up for interpretation, with everyone having their own.

  6. gamergirl profile image59
    gamergirlposted 7 years ago

    First, rshipman, welcome to Hubpages.

    The topic you have opened up has been discussed ad nauseum.  A search of the forums will show that not only has it been talked about quite a bit, but the discussion of this topic has led to many others - each a bit wilder and less respectful of one another than the last.

    The short answer to your question is that acceptance of homosexuality is not widespread in the Christian churches.

    The long answer would not benefit the forums here because it would only give people who thrive on attacking each other more to argue about.

    1. rshipman profile image76
      rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well I have learned coming from the homosexual lifestyle and now being a  christian not to have dsiputes about it especially with people who really dont understand it from a biblically point of view. GREAT COMMENT THANKS

  7. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    To those who indicate God does not accept homosexual activities, I would like to ask whether or not they believe He would accept various sexual acts engaged in by many hetorsexuals which do not involve coitus, but are simple engaged in for non-procreation purposes.

    Is oral sex or manual stimulation, for example, ok between hetorosexuals?

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Greek One,  I think that's a subject for another thread...?

    1. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, the reason that i posted here is because many say that homosexual activities are 'unatural" and thus are against God's will.

      If that is the case, how more 'natural' are the acts that i mentioned?  Surely they are not needed for procreation.  Yet i would venture to guess that those who oppose homosexual acts are (hypocritically in my opinion) Ok with these activities.

      1. pisean282311 profile image53
        pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hey greek one..where r u these days?

      2. kerryg profile image86
        kerrygposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well, the Catholic Church forbids oral sex, anal sex, masturbation, and birth control, so at least they have the decency not to be hypocritical about it.

        I do consider them amusingly misguided, though, since Jesus said not a single word about homosexuality but did make a pretty big freaking deal about ministering to the poor and the Catholic Church decided last year that its right to discriminate against homosexuals was more important than its Christian duty to minister to Washington DC's poor.

        But hey, I'm just an agnostic, what do I know? tongue

  9. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    If he doesn't, who's gonna decorate heaven after the rapture?  Who's gonna point out that Moses's tie is soooo B.C.  ?

  10. Shadesbreath profile image85
    Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago

    I wrote a hub that seems like comedy, but really shows how the church and religion and homosexuality works.  Plus it has cavemen in it. A win, win.  Check it out HERE

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sodomy.

      So easy a Caveman can do it?

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        Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol brilliant...

      2. Shadesbreath profile image85
        Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOL  lol

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    china manposted 7 years ago

    If you believe in the bible it IS a sin - if you believe in humanity, love and all the other things that the bible talks about then no it isn't.

  12. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.  The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet.  It's funny, as well as informative:


      Dear Dr. Laura:

      Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.  I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can.  When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.

      I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

      1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations.  A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians.  Can you clarify?  Why can't I own Canadians?
     
    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.  In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
     
    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24.  The problem is how do I tell?  I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
     
    4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9.  The problem is my neighbors.  They claim the odor is not pleasing to them.  Should I smite them?
     
    5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.  Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.  Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
     
    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.  I don't agree.  Can you settle this?  Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
     
    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight.  I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.  Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
     
    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27.  How should they die?
     
    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
     
    10. My uncle has a farm.  He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).  He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot.  Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.  Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
     
    I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.
     
    Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
     
    Your adoring fan,

     
    James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

    (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian smile

    1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
      SomewayOuttaHereposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i love your post - checking in during work - oops - gotta go - lecture starts soon....nice to 'read' you!

      1. rshipman profile image76
        rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        thank you

    2. rshipman profile image76
      rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow well the reason why many homosexual respond in that way to the church is because it comes across that they are being singled out and their sin is the most destable to God when it's not. However many of  those scriptures were from the old testament and dont apply today. God's word is very true that the wages of sin is death no matter what the sin may be thank God that we all have a chance to recieve eternal life no matter what type of sin we are in

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Mine was a response from a heterosexual by the way (and WHAT a heterosexual!!! ... and a Christian one at that.

        What other parts of the Old Testiment (or the New) shall we edit out because they 'don't apply today'?   Why not the ones pertaining to homosexuality?

  13. gamergirl profile image59
    gamergirlposted 7 years ago

    Hey guys, next time someone posts a thread that somehow slightly seems like they might possibly be interested in a discussion on homosexuality and the Church, remind me not to answer.  It turns into a "Jesus died so you don't have to kiss girls anymore, Gamergirl" type thread every. single. time.

    Oy.

    1. rshipman profile image76
      rshipmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hello thanks for you comment may GOD bless you richly in your life.

  14. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    by the way, what is the homosexual 'lifestyle' anyway?

    Are we just talking about sodomy... or is watching Sex in the City and wearing pink Lacoste shirts a sin as well?

 
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