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True meaning of the #666 in Revelations

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    bgalanisposted 6 years ago

    Revelation 13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.   Pope of Rome. The number 666 is engraved on the Jewel Crown passed down from Pope to Pope

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      bgalanisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You are to far out in left field for me I,am just quoating a scripture

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What's laughable is you associate it with the Pope.

      2. flyingwithmyfeet profile image60
        flyingwithmyfeetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        in some translations it says it is the sign OF man, but we don't reallly believe that. their is allso some belief that if you use numerical code on the word visa, and add the numbers you get the sign

    2. brotheryochanan profile image59
      brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      can you prove that 666 is engraved on the jewel crown.... You might like this.. i heard that in the United Nations conference hall there are 1200+ chairs and the chair with 666 has never been sat in. All the chairs are numbered btw. Hehe.. I don't worry too much about revelations.. augustus ceasar totals 666 and so does prince charles.. never done the math.. revelations will take care of itself when the time is appropriated by god just like the rest of his book.

      1. Disappearinghead profile image89
        Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The sin of the angle 666 degrees is exactly half the golden ratio phi, but of opposite sign.

        sin 666 = -phi/2 = -0.8090169944

        Freaky!

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          Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          nice, DH !

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            cool

        2. Wayne Orvisburg profile image78
          Wayne Orvisburgposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have no idea what that means!

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            golden ratio is the ratio of perfection and is the center of a perfect circle.

            the faces of the most goodlooking movie stars fit into the golden ratio mask. (actually so does my face...I'm not kidding lol)

            so what this means is half of my face is 666! just kidding. i think you got it at ratio of perfection.

    3. DavitosanX profile image79
      DavitosanXposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Even in the hypothetical case that the pope was the anti-christ, wouldn't it be pretty stupid to reveal it to everyone by wearing the beast's number on your crown. You'd think he'd keep it in his pocket or something.

      It looks as if this thread is just trying to get attention...

      1. pisean282311 profile image57
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        exactly

      2. brotheryochanan profile image59
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I recall a picture of the pope with an emancipated christ hanging off a bent cross boldly displayed on the popes staff. I thought, thats weird.
        There are many freemason signs all over the world.
        pentagrams here and there
        red faced devils with horns and a tail holding a trident.

        I may not be surprised if i saw 666 on a jacket emblem or the backseat of a chair in the UN building.

    4. Paul Wingert profile image79
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      666 is the Jewish code for Roman Emperor Nero.

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And where do you get that?

      2. Daniel Perrys profile image60
        Daniel Perrysposted 15 months ago in reply to this

        The beast with the two horns(USA) "Cause all both small and great,rich and poor,free and bond,to recieve a mark in their right hand, or in foreheads:And that no man might buy or sell,save he that had the mark or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.(Revelation 13:16-17)
        Here is wisdom.let him that hath undestanding count the number of the beast:for it is the number of a man;and his number is Six Hundred Threescore and six" (Revelation 13:18).
        The man that stands at the top of the papal (antichristian) hierarchy is none other than the Pope.
        His Tittle is VICAIRUS FILII DEI:

        V........5      F........0   D...500
        I..........1      I........1    E......0
        C..........100   L......50   I.....1
        A..........0       I..........1    =501
        R..........0       I..........1
        I..........1              =53
        U(V).......5
        S..........0                  = [666]
             =112

        1. Disappearinghead profile image89
          Disappearingheadposted 14 months ago in reply to this

          OK so you think McDonald's is going to put the Pope's decrees that the entire world, not just the Catholic world, the entire world including Islamic State must swear loyalty to the Holy See and have a tattoo of some Vatican seal before profits,  before they sell some fat kid a cheeseburger in some hick bible belt town in the middle of nowhere?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm with Cagsil on the lughter.

      The OP: Really? did ya'll not study Hebrew numbers in bible school?
      The Vav is mentioned twice in Torah: unbroken and broken.
      The Vav is a symbol of a tent peg -which binds all Torah script -especially the law.

      The combined 3 reads only two ways:

      In Adam (pre-fall) & Y`shua: unbroken
      In man: Broken

      Note after the Vav is Zayin : the Crowned unbroken Vav. Again Y`shua, the new Adam. Crowned king of body, mind and spirit -the trinity.


      DS, lol spot on. I forgot that.

  2. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    lol lol lol

  3. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Are you talking to yourself? roll

    1. Origin profile image59
      Originposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's what I thought too. big_smile

  4. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    666 are good for hanging your ties on. smile

    1. Disappearinghead profile image89
      Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I know that if you dial 666 on a UK phone, a policeman comes along upside down. smile

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I didn't know that! Essential information really. smile

  5. brianzen profile image61
    brianzenposted 6 years ago

    Actually the whole thing was John of Patmos talking about Rome according to History Channel. So it was probably reference to a specific official.

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    brianzenposted 6 years ago

    Is there a famous roman fitting that description? (other than popes)

  7. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Some biblical logic.

    "I know the bible is the truth, the bible tells me so" smile

  8. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 6 years ago

    The total of the numbers on a roulette wheel is 666. Hence gambling=Satanic ritual........

    1. Paraglider profile image88
      Paragliderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I wish people wouldn't say things like that without warning - I had to write a basic program to check!

      It's true, except that most professional Roulette wheels have two sets of numbers (so they can be bigger, without having to have a silly big ball) and so add up to 1332.

      So it's OK to play in a casino, but not at home wink

      1. Onusonus profile image86
        Onusonusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Good point Satan.wink

        1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
          ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

  9. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    people keep confusing this beast mentioned in Rev. 13 with the Little Horn and Antichrist spoken of in the Book of Daniel; teaching that they are the same entity.  Not true.

       All of these descriptions described in Daniel, Interpreted by Gabriel to be a King of the fourth kingdom to have dominion over Israel.  This "Anitchrist" replacing three after the first ten kings of the Roman Empire. Hadrian who dismanteled the Hebrew Nation deporting all the residence through out the empire.

      The Beast of Rev. 13 is clearly a religious establishment that comes up at a latter date than 138AD

      The numerial value of the Hebrew letters add up to six hundred and three score. This is not in reference to the Roman numbers themselves  (666)

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      they compare them to the ten without kingdoms, which were the ten tribes without kings. only Israel and Judah had kings. which you know jeremi.
      they cannot understand the numeric/symbol connection and so, "stick with what they know". Which is sad, because all of it is past tense.

      explains why the believing still need to believe.

      why believers are obsessed with 'evil' just doesn't make much sense. Did you know 80% of preaching today -in all demon-ations oops, denominations (oh, that misspelling must be a sign of prophecy?1 lol ) is about the 'devil' and 'Armageddon', not Y`shua resurrected?

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think that you could be correct concerning the ten kings mentioned in Rev. 17 that has not received a kingdom as yet... I see the ten kings that Gabriel described (Daniel 7) to be ten kings belonging to the Roman Empire.And then the Little horn rises replacing three after the first ten.
          Cause Gabriel said so.
          The tenth was Titus who destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem. Three others came up after him and then the LAST Emperor of Rome to have dominion over that Hebrew Nation (14 Emperor) was Hadrian who came up replacing three after the first ten.
           
        I believe this Beast described in Rev 13 with 10 horns and ten crowns is yet a third entity, having similar yet different descriptions. The description is close enough to that giver for the Roman empire that they have to be connected in some way yet different.
           The dragon mentioned in Rev. 12 is yet a fourth different entity.

           I could be wrong but this is the way that I understand it.

  10. TMMason profile image74
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    Actually there are two numbers for the Beast...

    The greek Septuigate states 666

    the latin Vulgate states 616


    I have heard it said they are the numerical equivalent to the roman emperors name, Nero Dividivus (Nero reborn),... it is a strike against the state and a warning to beware the rebirth of a tyrannical state.

    The numbers also match other Roman emperors such as culiglia.

    I think there are many meanings to be gleaned from them, probrably one for every person who reads it.

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    raoul113posted 6 years ago

    Roman numerals VIVIVI or perhaps WWW

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Whoa
      That's interesting.
      I was thinking of that last night!

  12. Daniel Carter profile image90
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    Magic, superstition, witchcraft, paganism, devil worship, and the pope's crown. My, my my, what a plot line for a movie.

    This is very old news. The Mormon missionaries used to preach this decades ago along with Jehovah's Witnesses. It's as effective as all the drivel associated with the numbers 9/11 and the fall of the Twin Towers, etc. I'm sure you can drag a lot of other garbage into this as well.

    More proof that Christianity is as magic, superstition and pagan based as anything else in the world.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mystery and revelation aren't the same things as superstition and magic.

      1. Daniel Carter profile image90
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Most of what the Bible contains is magic and superstition disguised as "mystery" and "revelation," in my opinion. You can call it what you like. I'm sticking with what I know.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Indeed.   So am I.

      2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        mystery and revelation is a tsim tsum, what it means is "contraction"when something is being born.

        superstition and magic are byproducts of the interaction of mystery and revelation. they are under mystery, uncovering these mysterious things...magic and superstition became science--revelation, actual knowledge. they are part of the evolution of new understanding of the world.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I can buy the first sentence I suppose, though I've never heard of tsim tsum, because I understand the "contraction" reference, which is actually Biblical.

          But I don't buy that magic and superstition become science.   The thing that's curious about or tries to explain Truth cannot evolve INTO the Truth.

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            it really is the case historically. what was alchemy became chemistry. what was shamanism became medicine. astrology became astronomy.

            it started out with suppositions that became superstitions, and then in order to rise above it. the scientific method was formed where it checks hypothesis through a series of experiments to confirm notions.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          so pretty much i am the one just nodding in agreement today. lol

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol

            i seriously wonder why i even bother. I'm procrastinating. that's why.

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              Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I am stalling - 5 hubs on milk and cheese.
              if only i could use the forums as example. lol

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                Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                okay, only could muenster three hubs for it. i mean hey, its only cheese and milk for Goudas sake!

                1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                  ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  how about different kinds of cheese from different animals. i like goat cheese

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                    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    too many in there like that. plus the rules are the ingredients of cheese, how to store it etc, which i did in 2 hubs! lol

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          God pulled back or contracted a little, leaving a space. Luria called this, Tzim-Tzum

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    hmmm
    maybe that's a phone number.
    lol but who knows...

  14. ceciliabeltran profile image85
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    my friend the shaman once told me that 666 in actually vav vav vav...the beast : www. you're in it. world wide web lol

  15. ceciliabeltran profile image85
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    it's a beast because its like a collective brain.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    6³ = 216         
    2 1 6 = 9

    Beit Aleph Vav = Tet (Inverted Truth; good within)
    9 is the symbol immutable Truth;


    216 is also Shemhamphorash or the Divided Name (Exodus 14.19-21)
    216 is also a websafe color palette...


    http://www.hebrew4christians.net/Gramma … v/vav.html
    http://www.jewfaq.org/alephbet.htm

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      this is intense!

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        9 is completion. so bet aleph vav is a description of the physical universe. the beast. matter.

  17. tobey100 profile image61
    tobey100posted 6 years ago

    666 is nothing more than Satan's area code.  I think the actual phone number is 1-666-559-1667.  It's not a toll free number but if you call from anywhere within the United States is free.  Since Obama's shot everything to hell it's a local call.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

    The number isn't 6,6,6,. It is Six-hundred Sixty-Six. 666.
    So it is not Vav, Vav, Vav

    Revelation 13:18
    Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    Count the number of his name, means to add up the letters. For Instance, Deborah would be 4526918=35

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      vav vav vav is 666
      or it could be six hundred sixty six
      or it could even be 6.66
      or 66.6
      or 18=9
      bet aleph vav 216=9.

      it's all 9, deborah.

      vav vav vav, space space space.
      space to third. the three dimensions of space.matter.

      9 the completion of a cycle of manifestation, matter.

      666 is the material realm, the body.

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It says six hundred three score and six. It is not 6,6,6, and therefore is not vav vav vav
        9 Is the creating energy of yesod. The sexual pleasure of consciousness
        Malkuth 10 is the body

        1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
          ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          so what would it be then?

          isn't it 9 too?  just like the 613 mitzvots is the expansion of the 10 mitzvots

        2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
          ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hmm...what are we talking about again. 218, or vav vav vav?

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            Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            where do you get the 2, 1 and 8

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    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

    V is V not B
    Bet can be B/v Avraham or Abraham
    But V Vav is not Bet so the 2 is wrong

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    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

    Alef=1=A
    Bet=2=B/V
    Gimel=3=G
    Dalet=4= D
    He=5=H
    Vav=6=V/O/U
    Zayin=7=Z
    Chet=8=CH
    Tet=9=T
    Yod=10=Y
    Kaf=20=K
    Lamed=30=L
    Mem=40=M
    Nun=50=N
    Samech=60=S
    Ayin=70=SILENT
    Peh=80=P
    Tsaddai=90=TS
    Qof=100=Q
    Resh=200=R
    Shin=300=SH/S
    Tav=400=T

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yes i know, how is that relevant to 218=9 and 666=9?

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    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

    The name or title of someone, a group, a religion, that adds up to 666. Or that has the Consonants that are equal to 666
    Like Tav, Resh, Samech, Vav= Trsv,  Without vowels.

    You would have to use every combination to figure it out.

    You could also add the vowels. They didn't back then.

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It wasn't me, it was from James (21). I was just marveling at the mathematical phenomenon.

    2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      have any ideas what it is deborah?

  22. ceciliabeltran profile image85
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    vav vav vav is also www.

    I seriously think it has nothing to do with that, even if it's a fun thought. 666 is the beast, the animal with the harlot on top. its a metaphor for choosing to be an animal, a creature of the flesh, which is not so far from what you are saying.

    I don't think its any particular entity. I think its the degradation of morals, and the one thing with the seven heads is just a metaphor for fragmentation, when you are not submitted to keter.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe only caring about pleasure in the flesh. Maybe ego, anger, reaction, sexual lust.

      There is no proof Vav was said W in the past. Vav=V/O/U

      I know a lot of websites say V was said W but not on the sites by the Hebrews

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        i think the formula he gave was 6 to the third power, which was 216. he was just playing with the numbers. 9 has many fascinating tricks that implies so much about the nature of reality.

        i think its more that than an actual modern entity.

        prophecies have a tendency to apply to numerous things, biblical revelations are usually less fantastic and more grounded on spiritual well-being.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          6 x 6 x 6 = 216  bet aleph vav   2 1 6 = 9

          6 + 6 + 6 = 18 ayin (silent) 1 8 = 9



          600 + 60 + 6 = Mem (final) Shemech Vav


          This procedure is called: gematria.

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            Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I know what gematria is . Mem is 40
            and how is Bet alef vav involved?
            mem final or not =40

      2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        as for vav, there was no w, true. w evolved in europe.
        trink vasser for drink water, and so on. voda for water (watah)

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    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

    Twenty One's 216
    Looks like 21 is taking the Hebrew V or Vav and instead of saying Vav=6. He is giving numbers to each letter in Vav
    But is giving the first letter in Vav the number of Bet=2
    So he is saying Vav is V=2, A=1, V=6.
    This is wrong Vav is V and is 6 period. Bet has nothing to do with Vav. Now he will argue that he is right.
    But Hebrew don't use numbers

    To add 1+2+3 the Hebrews say Alef+Bet+Gimmel=Vav

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    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

    As I said before
    Twenty One's 216
    Looks like 21 is taking the Hebrew V or Vav and instead of saying Vav=6. He is giving numbers to each letter in Vav
    But is giving the first letter in Vav the number of Bet=2
    So he is saying Vav is V=2, A=1, V=6.
    This is wrong Vav is V and is 6 period. Bet has nothing to do with Vav. Now he will argue that he is right.
    But Hebrew don't use numbers

    To add 1+2+3 the Hebrews say Alef+Bet+Gimmel=Vav

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      please read when you read my posts, DS, thanks:



      1. i never implied they were numbers.
      2a. 6 and 6 and 6 is three six or 216 (a cubic symbol, not a number).
      2b. V & V & V is V cubic symbol.

      The placement in order of appearance in the aleph=tov is highly noteworthy.
      Note Zayin is the seventh -the returning light.
      Next is Chet, the eighth - life heaven Spirit/human spirit- eternal. Constructed by combining Vav & Zayin with the hovering between -as in hovering over the face of the waters at creation, where also, the perfect vav is mentioned.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

    The final forms of the letters kaf, mem, nun, pe, and tzadi  were not used in Hebrew numbers originally, but in later years they were added to represent the values 500, 600, 700, 800, and 900.
    But you can't use these with information from a time when they weren't used. As in Revelations. They have to be calculated the same as they were at the time.

  26. ceciliabeltran profile image85
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    the funny thing is we all know what gematria is, we all know the meanings of the values but all three of us are coming up with different permutations of the same body of knowledge. lol

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is funny, Woowoo. Hilarious actually. lol

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        it is funny! I find it hilarious....so whose right?

        woo-woo 1?
        woo-woo 2?
        woo-woo 3?

        It's all woo-woo!lol

        Seriously there are really no determining whose right. it's just a mental exercise. these revelations don't really reveal anything but more mystery.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No one. There is no "right." wink

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Just some are more right than others wink

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              LOL

              Well - louder about it in any case. lol

            2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
              ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              He's a chronic leftie, Misha.

              I agree with him in that in cases of revelation, it really is a blank page where you can cull anything from. So there is no right per se. the action that results from whatever insight you cull from it is the thing that will have a value of right and wrong.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Rubbish. There is no right.

                Got to have an answer don't you, Woowoo? wink

                1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                  ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  so i can worship G-d?

                  Well PC, if there is no right and wrong from the personal perspective then why are there emotions that lead you to or away from something?

                  Disgust-Pleasure
                  Distaste-Interest
                  Anger-Love
                  Distress-Relief.

                  There is right and wrong, particularly from a personal point of view.

                  You have a distaste for religious people- wrong
                  You have an interest in SEO and Movie deals -right

                  Yeah...don't bother to not agree because I know you won't. You are au contraire no matter what.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    iGod maybe. lol

              2. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I think I know "him" a bit longer than you do, and am quite aware of where he is lefty and where he is righty LOL. But thanks for letting me know smile

                Oh, and no, there is no right - per se or otherwise, as well as there is no wrong, or good, or bad for that matter. Someone lied to you smile

                1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                  ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  it was a rhetorical.wink but you're welcome.

          2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            exactly!lol

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    really? well if that's true, than what holds the house/tent in place?
    Could it be the vav -the peg which also binds together the entire scripts?
    Isn't Beit the dwelling place? in Vav through Zayin? hmm.

    nothing to do with it though...

    OH, CECI, this one you'll like: it refers to keter -the channel

    Vav:
    Concept: The power to connect and interrelate all elements within Creation.
    Meaning: A hook.
    Shape: An upright pillar.
    Number: 6.
    Space: Ox (Taurus)
    Time: Iyar.
    Soul: Right kidney.
    Sense: Contemplation.
    Archetype: Isaachar.
    Channel: From keter to binah.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ****************************************
      I meant as far as numbers. Bet is 2.

      And the Hebrew letters have to do with creation.
      Bet is House not a tent.

      Vav is Path 5 Keter to Binah-This is in the Jewish Tradition, not based on the Western tree
      The fifth path is called the root consciousness because it is the substance of the unity, joining itself to that understanding which emanates from within the world of primordial wisdom.

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        bet is a womb

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          If you say so.
          In the Jewish Alphabet Bet is House

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            yes it is but in the kabbalah it is used as a kind of containment. like a housing more than an actual house.

            2 is the separation, hence house. Berieshit= 2 beginnings, 2 heads

            house head. all pertaining to two consciousnesses. a phenomenon that happens when one woman pregnant-- becomes two individuals. Hence the shape of the letter B

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              Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Bet (Vet) is a dwelling place, also referred to as the secret place, which naturally is referred to a home, house, retreat, court (bet din) etc. It more NT is used to define church, gathering of like minds.

              As the saying goes:

              "so all of Israel dwelt in tents"
              "the dwelling place of Him is with men"

              The peg that keep the tent from flying away, unites it with the dwelling place is the Vav, same as the pegs used to hold the first tabernacle Moses built in place; later the pillars of the temple.
              The zayin and vav combine to form Chet.

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                ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                but bet is dual, see. it is a safe place that separates the light from the darkness. it is both creative and destructive in that it separated unity. I said "I" and became determinate from All.

                So house is a safe place, and a separation from one, a womb. as in the case of the words bereishit (beginning) bara (create) Ben (son)
                balderdash (valderdash)

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      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oooh...I get this.

      Vav is a connector and a spacer.

      You know like the spacer between - and +
      the firmament
      the trunk of the tree
      the neutron
      and so and so forth.

      Its the space where the opposites transact their relationships.

      Interesting...

  28. ceciliabeltran profile image85
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    Misha wrote:

    "Oh, and no, there is no right - per se or otherwise, as well as there is no wrong, or good, or bad for that matter. Someone lied to you."

    Right and wrong, good and bad are values we assign. They are not fixed points in space.

    There is no right in interpretations of a revelation. Not one thing, it all depends on the action it inspires.

    As for good and bad, these too are values we assign to lack and fullness, light and darkness.

    But reality is neutral, it is our choices that are not.

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Closer, but you still seem to assume that there is something universally good or bad...

      'it all depends on the action it inspires' - implies those actions can be good or bad, universally...

      'reality is neutral, it is our choices that are not' implies that choices can be good or bad, too smile

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        actually we are not disagreeing. read it again, Misha.

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, I am not disagreeing, I am just pointing out disparities between what you say and what you do smile

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            that's a huge disparity then. Because I say it and you do it. one is verbal the other is actual. lol

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I can't believe my English is THAT unclear yikes But obviously it is, as I cannot get the message across... Well, may be better luck next time.... Ciao smile

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No - this is Woo woo lala here so do not despair - she has her own special language and has all the answers. big_smile

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Thank you Mark! Wee, and I was thinking about cutting myself already... ah, those wimin... yikes

                  You saved my life! lol

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    My pleasure. You know where to send the check. big_smile

                2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                  ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't have the answer to why you are wired the way you are...just hunches.big_smile

              2. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                it was joke dear, I don't always take the bait. i choose my battles.

  29. ceciliabeltran profile image85
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    Twenty One wrote:

    "The peg that keep the tent from flying away, unites it with the dwelling place is the Vav, same as the pegs used to hold the first tabernacle Moses built in place; later the pillars of the temple.
    The zayin and vav combine to form Chet."

    True, it is a connector as well as a channel as you mentioned.  Just as the passage from the womb to the outside world is a tunnel
    that forms.

    The End (that aleph pulled, the plow, the thing that opens the ground) and the Connector (space/channel) forms LIFE (chet) from Bet (womb, house, tent)

    Womb, contraction, vaginal passage, BABY.

    Chet, the gateway to CHOCHMAH- wisdom. life the gateway to wisdom.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yup, the Vav is man, connecting/the channel between heaven/earth.
      the chet is the walking unity  -like adam & Him- (like beeleebers are supposed to) which is hovered over, though not touching, the vav-zayin.

      very good analogy btw of the womb, cuz it works the same.
      the baby and mom are together, walking together, yet not actually touching. the um cord connecting them.

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol you're a hoot!

  30. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 14 months ago

    I know this is an ancient thread, but since someone already brought it back from the dead I thought I should mention that 616 was determined to be the actual number of the "beast" and 666 was the result of a sort of miscalculation/mistranslation.

    I have hubs about 616 and 666 if you're curious about numerical properties.  Since I can't link to my own hubs, I'll link the the math category page where you can find one of them smile

    http://hubpages.com/education/popular-a … amp;page=3

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image83
      Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago in reply to this

      666 equals 9 and 616 equals 4.
      Both numbers have their challenges.

 
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