Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Pope of Rome. The number 666 is engraved on the Jewel Crown passed down from Pope to Pope
can you prove that 666 is engraved on the jewel crown.... You might like this.. i heard that in the United Nations conference hall there are 1200+ chairs and the chair with 666 has never been sat in. All the chairs are numbered btw. Hehe.. I don't worry too much about revelations.. augustus ceasar totals 666 and so does prince charles.. never done the math.. revelations will take care of itself when the time is appropriated by god just like the rest of his book.
Even in the hypothetical case that the pope was the anti-christ, wouldn't it be pretty stupid to reveal it to everyone by wearing the beast's number on your crown. You'd think he'd keep it in his pocket or something.
It looks as if this thread is just trying to get attention...
I recall a picture of the pope with an emancipated christ hanging off a bent cross boldly displayed on the popes staff. I thought, thats weird. There are many freemason signs all over the world. pentagrams here and there red faced devils with horns and a tail holding a trident.
I may not be surprised if i saw 666 on a jacket emblem or the backseat of a chair in the UN building.
The beast with the two horns(USA) "Cause all both small and great,rich and poor,free and bond,to recieve a mark in their right hand, or in foreheads:And that no man might buy or sell,save he that had the mark or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.(Revelation 13:16-17) Here is wisdom.let him that hath undestanding count the number of the beast:for it is the number of a man;and his number is Six Hundred Threescore and six" (Revelation 13:18). The man that stands at the top of the papal (antichristian) hierarchy is none other than the Pope. His Tittle is VICAIRUS FILII DEI:
OK so you think McDonald's is going to put the Pope's decrees that the entire world, not just the Catholic world, the entire world including Islamic State must swear loyalty to the Holy See and have a tattoo of some Vatican seal before profits, before they sell some fat kid a cheeseburger in some hick bible belt town in the middle of nowhere?
The OP: Really? did ya'll not study Hebrew numbers in bible school? The Vav is mentioned twice in Torah: unbroken and broken. The Vav is a symbol of a tent peg -which binds all Torah script -especially the law.
The combined 3 reads only two ways:
In Adam (pre-fall) & Y`shua: unbroken In man: Broken
Note after the Vav is Zayin : the Crowned unbroken Vav. Again Y`shua, the new Adam. Crowned king of body, mind and spirit -the trinity.
people keep confusing this beast mentioned in Rev. 13 with the Little Horn and Antichrist spoken of in the Book of Daniel; teaching that they are the same entity. Not true.
All of these descriptions described in Daniel, Interpreted by Gabriel to be a King of the fourth kingdom to have dominion over Israel. This "Anitchrist" replacing three after the first ten kings of the Roman Empire. Hadrian who dismanteled the Hebrew Nation deporting all the residence through out the empire.
The Beast of Rev. 13 is clearly a religious establishment that comes up at a latter date than 138AD
The numerial value of the Hebrew letters add up to six hundred and three score. This is not in reference to the Roman numbers themselves (666)
they compare them to the ten without kingdoms, which were the ten tribes without kings. only Israel and Judah had kings. which you know jeremi. they cannot understand the numeric/symbol connection and so, "stick with what they know". Which is sad, because all of it is past tense.
explains why the believing still need to believe.
why believers are obsessed with 'evil' just doesn't make much sense. Did you know 80% of preaching today -in all demon-ations oops, denominations (oh, that misspelling must be a sign of prophecy?1 ) is about the 'devil' and 'Armageddon', not Y`shua resurrected?
I think that you could be correct concerning the ten kings mentioned in Rev. 17 that has not received a kingdom as yet... I see the ten kings that Gabriel described (Daniel 7) to be ten kings belonging to the Roman Empire.And then the Little horn rises replacing three after the first ten. Cause Gabriel said so. The tenth was Titus who destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem. Three others came up after him and then the LAST Emperor of Rome to have dominion over that Hebrew Nation (14 Emperor) was Hadrian who came up replacing three after the first ten.
I believe this Beast described in Rev 13 with 10 horns and ten crowns is yet a third entity, having similar yet different descriptions. The description is close enough to that giver for the Roman empire that they have to be connected in some way yet different. The dragon mentioned in Rev. 12 is yet a fourth different entity.
I could be wrong but this is the way that I understand it.
I have heard it said they are the numerical equivalent to the roman emperors name, Nero Dividivus (Nero reborn),... it is a strike against the state and a warning to beware the rebirth of a tyrannical state.
The numbers also match other Roman emperors such as culiglia.
I think there are many meanings to be gleaned from them, probrably one for every person who reads it.
Magic, superstition, witchcraft, paganism, devil worship, and the pope's crown. My, my my, what a plot line for a movie.
This is very old news. The Mormon missionaries used to preach this decades ago along with Jehovah's Witnesses. It's as effective as all the drivel associated with the numbers 9/11 and the fall of the Twin Towers, etc. I'm sure you can drag a lot of other garbage into this as well.
More proof that Christianity is as magic, superstition and pagan based as anything else in the world.
mystery and revelation is a tsim tsum, what it means is "contraction"when something is being born.
superstition and magic are byproducts of the interaction of mystery and revelation. they are under mystery, uncovering these mysterious things...magic and superstition became science--revelation, actual knowledge. they are part of the evolution of new understanding of the world.
it really is the case historically. what was alchemy became chemistry. what was shamanism became medicine. astrology became astronomy.
it started out with suppositions that became superstitions, and then in order to rise above it. the scientific method was formed where it checks hypothesis through a series of experiments to confirm notions.
666 is nothing more than Satan's area code. I think the actual phone number is 1-666-559-1667. It's not a toll free number but if you call from anywhere within the United States is free. Since Obama's shot everything to hell it's a local call.
I seriously think it has nothing to do with that, even if it's a fun thought. 666 is the beast, the animal with the harlot on top. its a metaphor for choosing to be an animal, a creature of the flesh, which is not so far from what you are saying.
I don't think its any particular entity. I think its the degradation of morals, and the one thing with the seven heads is just a metaphor for fragmentation, when you are not submitted to keter.
Twenty One's 216 Looks like 21 is taking the Hebrew V or Vav and instead of saying Vav=6. He is giving numbers to each letter in Vav But is giving the first letter in Vav the number of Bet=2 So he is saying Vav is V=2, A=1, V=6. This is wrong Vav is V and is 6 period. Bet has nothing to do with Vav. Now he will argue that he is right. But Hebrew don't use numbers
As I said before Twenty One's 216 Looks like 21 is taking the Hebrew V or Vav and instead of saying Vav=6. He is giving numbers to each letter in Vav But is giving the first letter in Vav the number of Bet=2 So he is saying Vav is V=2, A=1, V=6. This is wrong Vav is V and is 6 period. Bet has nothing to do with Vav. Now he will argue that he is right. But Hebrew don't use numbers
1. i never implied they were numbers. 2a. 6 and 6 and 6 is three six or 216 (a cubic symbol, not a number). 2b. V & V & V is V cubic symbol.
The placement in order of appearance in the aleph=tov is highly noteworthy. Note Zayin is the seventh -the returning light. Next is Chet, the eighth - life heaven Spirit/human spirit- eternal. Constructed by combining Vav & Zayin with the hovering between -as in hovering over the face of the waters at creation, where also, the perfect vav is mentioned.
The final forms of the letters kaf, mem, nun, pe, and tzadi were not used in Hebrew numbers originally, but in later years they were added to represent the values 500, 600, 700, 800, and 900. But you can't use these with information from a time when they weren't used. As in Revelations. They have to be calculated the same as they were at the time.
I agree with him in that in cases of revelation, it really is a blank page where you can cull anything from. So there is no right per se. the action that results from whatever insight you cull from it is the thing that will have a value of right and wrong.
really? well if that's true, than what holds the house/tent in place? Could it be the vav -the peg which also binds together the entire scripts? Isn't Beit the dwelling place? in Vav through Zayin? hmm.
nothing to do with it though...
OH, CECI, this one you'll like: it refers to keter -the channel
Vav: Concept: The power to connect and interrelate all elements within Creation. Meaning: A hook. Shape: An upright pillar. Number: 6. Space: Ox (Taurus) Time: Iyar. Soul: Right kidney. Sense: Contemplation. Archetype: Isaachar. Channel: From keter to binah.
**************************************** I meant as far as numbers. Bet is 2.
And the Hebrew letters have to do with creation. Bet is House not a tent.
Vav is Path 5 Keter to Binah-This is in the Jewish Tradition, not based on the Western tree The fifth path is called the root consciousness because it is the substance of the unity, joining itself to that understanding which emanates from within the world of primordial wisdom.
Bet (Vet) is a dwelling place, also referred to as the secret place, which naturally is referred to a home, house, retreat, court (bet din) etc. It more NT is used to define church, gathering of like minds.
As the saying goes:
"so all of Israel dwelt in tents" "the dwelling place of Him is with men"
The peg that keep the tent from flying away, unites it with the dwelling place is the Vav, same as the pegs used to hold the first tabernacle Moses built in place; later the pillars of the temple. The zayin and vav combine to form Chet.
"The peg that keep the tent from flying away, unites it with the dwelling place is the Vav, same as the pegs used to hold the first tabernacle Moses built in place; later the pillars of the temple. The zayin and vav combine to form Chet."
True, it is a connector as well as a channel as you mentioned. Just as the passage from the womb to the outside world is a tunnel that forms.
The End (that aleph pulled, the plow, the thing that opens the ground) and the Connector (space/channel) forms LIFE (chet) from Bet (womb, house, tent)
Womb, contraction, vaginal passage, BABY.
Chet, the gateway to CHOCHMAH- wisdom. life the gateway to wisdom.
yup, the Vav is man, connecting/the channel between heaven/earth. the chet is the walking unity -like adam & Him- (like beeleebers are supposed to) which is hovered over, though not touching, the vav-zayin.
very good analogy btw of the womb, cuz it works the same. the baby and mom are together, walking together, yet not actually touching. the um cord connecting them.
I know this is an ancient thread, but since someone already brought it back from the dead I thought I should mention that 616 was determined to be the actual number of the "beast" and 666 was the result of a sort of miscalculation/mistranslation.
I have hubs about 616 and 666 if you're curious about numerical properties. Since I can't link to my own hubs, I'll link the the math category page where you can find one of them
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