As we have Keralites and Bengali tantriks in India... are there any such equivalent occult science specialists, in the western countries? If yes, how effective are they?
Yes, they're called Chiropractors.
Sorry. Seriously though, yes there are those who derive thier income from performing "energy healing" or consulting with the spirits of the deceased (psychics).
Whether or not what they do is real or valid is entirely up to the individual. What they do is not "mainstream" in the sense that most people with an illness will go to a doctor first, and a healer second. There's plenty of people who do the opposite though.
I think "occult" as a term is a little too restrictive - it places experiences that are beyond traditional understandings of the world into a christian discourse (I think) when in reality many of the practicioners of these skills/arts would be more spiritual or non-denominational in their beliefs.
Hi ilmdamaily, Thanks for utilizing your time to answer my question.
Good to know that even in the western culture, there are a few who can help the people in such cases.
I knew there are some Fakirs in the muslim religion , who always do such healing work. Chiropractors are new to my knowledge.
"Occult" Not revealed- Secret..relating to super natural.
Occult do exist and yet no one know how people get their skills. Their around all over and yes it's been going on for thousand of years.
Mystics have existed all over this planet.
As per Wikipedia:
"The term occult is also used as a label given to a number of magical organizations or orders, the teachings and practices taught by them, and to a large body of current and historical literature and spiritual philosophy related to this subject ."
Magic is only a superstition; it is no reality, in my opinion.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
There is a whole range of comlimentary therapies and spiritual healing available in Western countries - reiki, energy healing, reflexology, angel healing, crystal healing, colour therapy, kinesiology, aromatherapy, the list goes on.
Occult science = oxymoron
I'm not even saying there isn't something to the occult. But a huge part of what gets the spiritual enterprises mocked beyond saving is the insistence of using "science" and terms like that.
Why can't religion and magic just accept that they are religion and magic. I swear, the spiritual community has the most massive insecurity complex.
It's like a hot chick that thinks she's fat so keeps gagging herself until she's a skeleton and then can't figure out why the quarterback won't ask her out. It's not another hot chick that ruined her chances.
Ha, love the analogy:-)
Very true also - i'm a huge fan of mysticism, spirituality and magic, but you're right - the insistence of using the term "science" is not only factually incorrect, but damaging to their credibility.
Epistemically, both are fundamentally opposed: the accrual of knowledge in mysiticism is through internal experience. The accrual of knowledge in science is through external validation through measurement and testing.
Methodologically - and practically - they are as far apart as can be.
Which isn't to verify/deny the truth people find in them, but merely accept that the two shall/should never meet.
Couldn't agree more on the oxymoron cited above, but if by "magic" you mean like a whole universe appearing from absolutely zip, I can't really go with the present state of our knowledge, because further back than the original event horizon lies only theories. I just met ol' Stephen Hawking over here on the other side of the Big Bang. Or maybe it's that danged black smoke from the island. Me, not exactly what one would call religious or christian. Do believe in something akin to God, and also that we are fully formed, yet a work in progress, otherwise Adam woulda blown up his nice garden with an atomic bomb. We are a work in progress, and evolution is just one tool. Do consider myself as a mystic, but not so into that occult talk. I don't feel occult. In Med terms occult is used to denote the presence of blood, as in occult stool. Poop and blood.
Can't agree with Ilmdamaily that Science and Spirituality should be kept apart. A thorough reading of Dr. Amit Goswami's book, "The Self Aware Universe - How Consciousness Creates the Material World," might just change a few people's minds. Goswami is no slouch: a quantum physicist and highly regarded in scientific circles, he's studied widely: cognitive psychology, neurophysiology, and theories of artificial intelligence, to name a few subjects.
Apparently Goswami's written other books: "The Concepts of Physics Quantum Mechanics," for one. The time for regarding Science and Spiritualy as being incompatible has well and truly coming to an end.
Dr. Amit Goswami is an indoctrinated religionist.
Read about his childhood, all the reasons for his beliefs will become clear.
Are there any experts of occult sciences, in western nations?
Occult Sciences are no sciences; only a superstition neither supported by truthful Religion nor by the natural science.
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