Most people are affraid of god cause they dont know him .and they are scared of him cause the cant see im ,but thats not true ,you can see him everywhere no matter what and here is some thing to prove it."one night i dreamed i was walken along the beach with the lord .many scenes fromo my life flashed across the sky.in each scene i noticed footprints in the sand .sometimes there were two sets of footprints in the sand,other times there were one set of footprints.this bothered me because i noticed that during the low periods of my life ,when i was suffering from anguish ,sorrow or defeat ,i could see only one set of footprints.so i said to the lord,"you promised me lord that if i followed you ,you would walk with me always.but i have noticed that during the most tryen periods of my life there have only been one set of footprints in the sand .Why, when i needed you the most , you have not been there for me?" the lord replied ,"the times when you have seen only one set of footprints, is when i carried you" this is another reason to beleive in god .cause he will carry you through the tuff times.
Seriously, please check your facts. The authors of the generally accepted Canon of Scripture, 66 books by 40 different authors, were not pagans who worshipped the sun, moon, or weather. The Bible actually teaches us just the opposite. Now if you don't believe the Bible, that's your prerogative, but don't spout off unfounded criticisms of a book you obviously haven't bothered to read.
Speaking of checking the facts, did you not know there were no books as the printing press was not invented yet. Did you also not know people in that day and age did not understand what lightning and thunder were but instead believed it to be gods?
are we to fear God? has any one looked up the hebrew or greek word that was used and found out exactly what the word actually means. king james' people did not allways use the beat word to use, for example look up the greek word that was used to write about the golden street in heaven, should they have used the word street? look up the greek word for mansions,
(Proverbs 1:7) The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge. Wisdom and discipline are what mere fools have despised. The fear of God is healthful; it is an awe and a profound reverence for the Creator and a wholesome dread of displeasing him.
so you state he was carrying you through the wort times. well if he was carrying you , why could you not feel his love ? using a dream as a way of believing in something sort of supports that idea that god is all in peoples heads i would say.
There is something really magical about the whole footprints thing. I am a spiritual teacher (psychic medium). One day before I was heading out to go to church I saw psychically (clairvoyantly) footprints on my wall!!
I thought, 'what the heck does that mean?!' I've always had paranormal things happen to me my whole life and sometimes...well it is a little ridiculous!!
I get to church and head down to the nursery with my baby. To my astonishment I notice at the end of the steps on the cement floor they had taped down small footprints. With a note on the wall to follow the footprints. I didn't know where I was going but I followed the footprints in total amazement that that was actually happening after my paranormal experience at home. It was kind of like deja' vu.
To my surprise I was led by following small footprints through two hallways to the chosen room where all the children would be for that particular day.
Strange but that's how my life has been. Since then I hold the footprints thing close to my heart.
I cling to the belief that everything is going to work out as it should. Actually for the best when we look at the big picture.
I'm not askeard of God! I'm just skeard that I'm not going to like it after it works out the way that ..I.. make it go.
Sometimes we get to going so fast that something has gotta get in the way to slow us down ... so we don't run over the clift. Sometimes runnimg into a brick wall is a good thing. We don't like it, but it was a good thing.
Just got a Ph. call and gotta go for a bit.. later
Some people are afraid to even admit that God does exist. So many contradicting statements have been made, and some are attributed to the Bible itself. I do agree that the fear of what God might do to you is a factor. Most people don't understand what is even written in the book, even those who preach the word, and very few are prepared to let their defences down long enough to understand, settling with letting others tell them what is there.
"are peope really afraid of god or afraid of what god will do to them?"
This is really a great question. I would venture to say that many if not the majority of god-believers in the world believe in god and go through the motions of ritual and ceremony not because of any rational or logical reasoning, but rather because of the emotional (and ultimately irrational) FEAR of what god will do to them if they don't obey.
It is the exact same dynamic as with children: children do not understand right and wrong, but they do understand reward and punishment, and they also understand authority (parents or teachers).
It's too bad that so many adults have chosen such an immature and simplistic mindset to guide their lives.
And, regarding dreams: I had a very vivid dream the other night that I was the richest person in the world. Therefore, I guess it must be true...
you don't want to be wise, i see. its too ew. reptiles and caterpillars fly later on you know...caterpillars do it in a matter of weeks and reptiles were able to do it for a couple of thousands of years. great, now we can eat them.
Well as I see it from my great great granddaddy on, we all just turned into worm food or ashes. Both are OK by me.
Somehow it seems that those with religion assume others are without spiritus or without morality if they accept becoming worm food. Something about it speaks to me and helps me have a wonderful life using the "religiosity of soul" as Carl Jung put it, to direct a path that does not include religion.
But don't you think that many people are indeed afraid of the negative consequences of not obeying god, as it has been described in their religion (thinking mainly of the Abrahamic religions)? And thus, that fear motivates them to do whatever it is they are ordered to do?
the consciousness is mainly concerned with itself and itself alone. It organizes only when it finds its center. Most people cannot find their center and so they rely on others to tell them where it is.
but the center exists and it motivates emotions and reactions. so when the center is in conflict with the fake self...fear and conflict such as guilt manifests. and they project it to their notion of G-d.
projections of the drama of the consciousness...i however contest that it is not always mental illness. mental illness afterall is just when you cannot translate your inner language of symbolism to "reality" as we agree it is, to the beta state.
Indeed he was! There was quite the commotion for a while with my wife and myself trying to find and get them all while our young sons wanted to play with them and the cat just wanted to eat 'em. Fun times!
Sorry Jerami! Rattlesnakes are so common here we have heard all kinds of encounters. A local man was struck by a rattler a few weeks ago when he got on riding mower and the snake was lying on the deck. He was elderly and died very quickly. I've killed quite a few lately, a huge canebrake yesterday I almost stepped on.
Nope, we live in town. Now. Randy lives in the boonies. We still have a few snakes here in town, though. In fact, we had a big ratsnake attend our Memeorial Day cookout! We moved him to a wooded area so he'd be safe.
Yes, and I love it. Just today I saw 4 does with the fawns tagging along behind them feeding in the fields. Two of the does had twin fawns about 18 inches tall. A mother raccoon and 4 little ones were crossing the road and of course, many snakes. turtles, and a fox.
This is why I love my new camera. Plenty of photo ops!
They are really crawling now! The one I killed yesterday had been feeding recently and was in an area I walk through frequently. I've gotten to where I can spot them because I know where they prefer to bask in the sun. Snake tanning and rubbing snake oil onto their skin!
You must have prodded them when they were cold because the ones around here are usually very defensive. Neither are very aggressive toward humans but will strike you if they feel threatened or accidentally stepped on.
In the early morning hours before they warm in the sun they will be more listless!
Wow! I wish he had taken a photo! I just missed getting a pic of a huge coachwhip a while back. He rose up and looked at me before streaking away. They have excellent eyesight and are very intelligent. The way they look at you is kind of disconcerting, if you know what I mean.
RD, even here in town we have coons, possums, and a fox or two. No deer, though. Grendel hates that dang fox! When I take the pooches out in the middle of the night, the fox stands at the edge of the neighbor's yard and barks at the dogs. One night he followed Grendel around the yard. I think he's lonely.
The first thing god wants to do to people is have them believe in him. That gets them into jesus' book of life. The next thing god will want to do is clean up their life... and this is what people are afraid of.
I don't see it that way at all. I clean up my life because I take responsibility myself to be a good father, a good friend, an honest trader, a good grandfather.
These people are in my life every day. I don't need instructions from a malevolent invisible totally no-show entity written about by some goat herders telling me I don't love my grandchildren, or know how to be a moral person.
Aww - How sweet - I forgot you religionists do not understand the concept of irony. Jesus did not exist and no one has conversations with him. It was a joke to point out the hypocrisy of cousin yochanan. I didn't mean to get your hopes up. Sorry.
You will get there in the end. Guys in this sense is a-sexual. Sorry - I should have explained you can call girls "guys" as well. But - great riposte. Love the two-faced passive/aggressive attack as well - very Christian.
So far out in left field i can't even see the field you are standing in. Every born again christian states they have a personal relationship with the god of the bible. For us, this is fact. For carnal thinking unsaved sinners who claim to be athiest it is a stumblingblock. For us, the cross is a fact. For carnal thinking unsaved sinners who claim to be athiest it is a stumblingblock. There is never any hypocrisy in what i say its just that carnal thinking unsaved sinners who claim to be athiest can't relate.
Good for you mark you have given me an opportunity to enlighten you once again. Christians are allowed to judge or weigh up situations, we need to be able to do this to 'reprove works of darkness'. I'm sure you know the scripture this comes from We are not allowed to pass a sentence as in a court room. If i said you need to clean up because you are going to hell that would be a judgment, but because i recognized the work of darkness that needed to be reproved i simple stated he had some cleaning up to do, if when you read the posts and notice the anger, i am right. If you knew half of what you think you know you might know some things of value in this forum. Not really a judgment but an observation And i thought you said whales were your cousin, clearly i am not a whale. Thanks for stopping by but no thanks for your comment as i know you will not be enlightened. Again another observation and no sentence passed if i had've added because you are thickheaded now that would have been a sentence passed and i am not about to say that.
Love God for he loves you. Fear Justice for he could care less and is as a beast on a chain of obedience to his father. A disobedient and spiritually vapid generation has much to fear from Justice or who you would call the Destroying Angel.
The duality of all things, multiplicity, ancestors rise within, speak, and make dreams and visions, clouded by the mists of time. Positive and negative, like the beating of the heart, the thinking of the mind, the blinking of the eye. Energy as in E=MC2 as in, the value of E. Einstein as god.
lol Justice doesn't speak for himself he is usual considered and written about as the rod of His mouth amongst other euphemisms. Justice is an angel not a God and would never consent to being worshiped but in Exodus was a force to be reckoned with all the same. He witnessed and then presided over the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. He stood in the pillar of fire and repeatedly punished Israel when they rebelled against Moses. He consumed the sacrifice of Elijah. These things he did and more in the name of his Father who is God. He is an angel and a voice in heaven of a specific tenor none the less. If you didn't understand that you don't understand your scriptures and blamed your loving Father in Heaven for all that distemper.
well i dont believe in religious god and so fear induced by most religion dont effect me...if god is real i dont think god is something to be sared or feared of...and if god is not there again what is there to fear?...so in both case fear is last thing which should be attached with god...
Amazing eh kelly. You post something wonderful and glorious like that and all the evil venom of satan servers zooms to your doorstep, one moderator away from cursing at you. LOL sad isn't it. well pssst, they all failed at christianity probably because they are too evil to be good Good post well said God bless you for it. We the righteousness of God enjoyed reading your post. Keep up the good work and remember God loves you and so do those of a 'higher morality' love you to, your christian brothers and sisters. Thanks beautifully said. Nice to read a positive post for a CHANGE
Jesus is the "higher morality", how can you not know that? divisive post as usual mr. mark people obviously do judge others by themselves.. what i wrote is not about ME. i have no doubts your heckles stood up and that your flesh dictates what you say.
You are the one claiming a "higher morality," cousin. And the rest of your attacks on anyone who does not believe as you do is not anything other than divisive.
All your posts are about YOU. You are only qualified to cast judgment in your own name. You are what I believe is called a "false prophet," in your speak.
You are not speaking for Jesus or god, you are speaking for YOU.
What a shame you are unable to see that and will continue to purposefully raise hackles by speaking in this fashion. Then - of course - you can accuse the other person of something for rising to your bait.
As far as I can tell, you have accused and judged just about every one you have spoken to on these forums. I must admit I lolled when you were laughing at some one because you think they are going to burn in hell while you rest in paradise.
Is that what you have learned from Jesus' "higher morality"?
This is what you actually said:
So - you were not saying Jesus has a higher morality, you were claiming that honor for yourself and your christian brothers and sisters.
This is why i prefer emails now to trolling the forums. Your comment by the way i just deleted and it did me great pleasure to do so .... feel free to leave another.
When i realized that no atheist really cares about truth and i don't mean biblical truth, although they really dislike that lol, just ordinary truth, basic, human, truth. God showed me Matthew 10:11-15 and said this now applies. So free i am. I will pop in occasionally and answer some questions but the bottom line is i will not get into discussions unless i am emailed. I am spending more time with God and you can be chagrined about that all you want.
So you see the higher morality is any christian who doesn't go out of their way to post 'lies' or 'misinformation', it would be one who actually cared if his contradictions were shown NOT to be contradictions, but even in this, the higher morality of atheists parallels the muslim dogma. "Do whatever you have to to acheive the goal". Its not even the high morality you claim, however falsely to aspire to, it is basic human truths that are not in the rules of atheists. Like so many deluded atheists whose bumper sticker says: "Gehenna bound" enjoy your trip
I see that nobody has tried to define what they understand "God" to be before discussing it. So does anyone in this thread really know what anyone else is talking about? I think a discussion like this needs to begin with people stating what they take "God" to mean, otherwise everything that follows is pretty much meaningless.
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