Are there, as some claim, many truths?

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   Dave Barnettposted 13 years ago

   I've heard it, maybe you have too. You may have possibly said it yourself, I know I did. The fact is this: There is only one truth, but the truth can be spoken about an infinite number of things. I beleive that we are here to find that truth that can be said to be universal. The truth that is just as valid for me as it is for you as it is for a child in china or an aborigine in africa, and until we find that truth, none of us will leave the reality that we are in. Follow my tract, because it's going where few would expect it to. Keep smilin'

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      fresnaveeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I sincerely believe in the same thing. There is one truth spoken many ways, or rather, spoken in many incomplete ways because no one knows The One Truth.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Why does everyone say that? No one knows the "one" truth.
         
         You are kidding right?
         
         I wrote a hub about the misconception- truth versus perspective truth. People continue to believe that just because they cannot find the truth themselves or do not recognize it, then other people(individuals) are going to have the exact same problem.
         
         It is a poorly made assumption.
         
         Truth is universal. It is dismissed because of religious beliefs and negative thinking people, who would rather not be part of humanity than be connected.

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            luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I agree, The Universal Law of Cause and Effect is one truth that determines the experiences we are creating for ourselves.
            
            There others, you decide which to believe.

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         Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         That one is locked inside us

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      leebertteaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No, there are many truths. Truth like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Truth is a matter of perspective. Even what seems to be an absolute truth can be questioned. For example, we all need oxygen to live. Do we really? That depends on how you define living. Are we really alive? What happens if we stop breathing> Is that the end of life or the beginning of a new phase of living? Each of these questions will have different answers when asked of different individuals and each answer will be a truth, and a falsehood depending on who is to make the judgement.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         A complete waste of space. Your entire statement. WOW!

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         Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Truth supersedes us, is not reliant on our pitiful opinions, beleifs, or even perspective, if it can be called universal. There are some things concerning us as sentient beings which cannot be relegated to mere opinion, and cops at a car accident would agree, that every perspective can be valid in it's own way, but the truth remains somewhere between them.

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      wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, there is one universal truth that is expressed in a multitudes of ways. Us Christians believe that possessing the Holy Spirit one immediately knows the one truth. He knows God who created us and all other.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         

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            ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Why are you laughing at his construct?

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I found it amusing. Hence, laughter.

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                  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  which part in particular?

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         mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         So true wilmiers77

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friends
      
      I think that truths about things lead to one Universal Truth; which leads to the Creator-God Allah YHWH and in this sense it is a name or an attribute of Him. Naturally He is the same in every part of the world and in every part of the Universe.
      
      This is what I understand; others could understand it differently with reasons, if they have any.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

   (swoon)
   
   You had me at are...

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Good question.
   What came to my mind as I read this is that there is only one truth.
   
   Posibly there is only one place from which we can see all of that one truth.
   
   Posibly we are wasting our time searching for that one truth.
   We might should be searching for that one position from which we can see all sides of the one truth?

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      fallenangel666posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know what you're all taking but can you give me some please?

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   TruthDebaterposted 13 years ago

   If there were objective truths, wouldn't all have came together and agreed on them by now? We still argue about what shape the earth is.

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      fallenangel666posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That's exactly what I'm talking about, why keep it to yourself? Give me some so that I can start tripping too.

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         TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I think you lost me. What is tripping?

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            fallenangel666posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It's when the sensual right hand hemisphere of the brain completely overides the left hand analytical hemisphere of the brain, leading to the stimulation of receptor sites which have nothing to do with reality.

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               TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Ah, thanks. I thought you was talking about eating mushrooms or something. I agree, the subjective is our reality.

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                  fallenangel666posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Some people are lucky, they don't need magic mushrooms or LSD to trip, they are genetically predispositioned to fantasise.

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               earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               You mean like belief in a sky fairy?

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Jerami wrote:
      Good question.
   What came to my mind as I read this is that there is only one truth.
   
   Posibly there is only one place from which we can see all of that one truth.
   
   Posibly we are wasting our time searching for that one truth.
   We might should be searching for that one position from which we can see all sides of the one truth?
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   fallenangel666  said   
   I don't know what you're all taking but can you give me some please?
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     It is kinda like the difference between playing football, and having a view from the top row in the stands.
      Yea the quarter back can see the centers butt better than you can...  But you can see that the line backer is goina be coming around the tight end and get him.
   
   All the players can see those things that they see better than you can.  But you can see a little bit of what everyone sees
   
      Sorry I don't have anything to share..  this must be natural

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      fallenangel666posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry I'm English, can you make the analogy with cricket please.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         No I don't eat crickets.

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            Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Just kidding ... but I don't know enough about cricket.  sorry

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               fallenangel666posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               It's like when the late Stephen Jay Gould tried to use baseball as an analogy for his belief in atheism, not exactly Universal is it. Anyway, what the hell has boring sport got to do with the human condition, it's just a tame form of war fare, the kind of people who indulge in war have nothing to contribute to the expansion of human knowledge.

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                  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  The comparison wasn't in the game.
                    The comparison was from the spectators prospective.
                  
                     Ya cain't know how the game goes unless you get to watch it.
                   
                     What can you know about the game if you only see the game from only one of the cricket players prospective.
                     Each player sees a diffrent reality.
                     To hear them all tell their side of it, you might not know that they were at the same game
                  
                     A very attentive spectator gets to see the game from all of the players perspective at once.

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                     fallenangel666posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Sorry I didn't mean to seem facetious, of course you have a relevant point, we are individuals and that's what makes us human, I wouldn't want to end up in a world where everyone thought exactly the same thing. Just like our physiological variation our cognitive variation is what makes us intresting, but still I cannot help leaning towards the more rational interpretations, even though I accept the limits of rationality. No matter what we believe we are all equal in terms of our humanity.

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                        Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        You were OK..  And no I wouldn't like life so much if everyone was the same.  And I wouldn't want to have an overview of how everyone was thinking either.
                           But if ya did? I bet that you would know the one real truth.   And still no one would believe ya.

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                           fallenangel666posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Of course no one would believe you, I'm not religious but all that would happen to you is what happened to Jesus.

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                              Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              I think I'd perfer a padded cell.

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   The universal truth is - everybody have their own one

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   neoraneposted 13 years ago

   I heard someone say once that Truth is eternal and absolute, but man's understanding is what is relative. I think it is black and white. All grey is light black.  You cannot take a true premise and add a false one and expect to get a pure result. Nor two false ones and come up with a true one, no matter you method of logic.

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   kessposted 13 years ago

   There is one Truth and I am it.
   
   For I am God and son of God and we are all one ... Truth

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      Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      we are all god. We create and destroy our own creations. We upset the balance of the planet, and have taken a garden and turned it into a landfill. We hold it in our hand to destroy everything, and are hell bent (no pun intended) to do it. We decide who lives and who dies.

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   ceciliabeltranposted 13 years ago

   The truth is out there and that is why life evolved. To have better and better ways to ascertain the outside world. Epigenetics is about that. Feedback, Response, Revision. That's how we evolve. We want to improve our mental construct of reality.
   
   Our reality is based upon our need. We can only perceive relative to our biological necessities. For instance, black and white is not black and white in a different light.
   
   In photography this is very obvious. Black and White is dependent on what you assign as 18% gray. Put 18% on a white board and white will become grey and grey will become black. So what is the true reality outside that?
   
   A more concrete example. The Cosmos. Gasses look different now that we are using better "eyes". They used to be vague backdrops to the stars. But now they are almost exactly like clouds. The imaging technology has changed but then and now are two true representations of the truth.
   
   So I guess what I am trying to say yes, truth is relative to the eyes of the beholder.
   
   But beyond that is the truth above what the eyes can see.

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    ceciliabeltranposted 13 years ago

    Did I kill this thread or was it dead to begin with?

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    Kangaroo_Jaseposted 13 years ago

    The Truth Is Out There......
    
    Mulder to Scully - X Files

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    BobbiRantposted 13 years ago

    To me, a True religion is unity.  Do the believers all believe one thing?  Is the religion unified or are there sects?  There is but one truth.  I can believe if I follow my highway by my house I will end up in London, just believing it does not make it so.  The Bible has ONE message and one only.

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       mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       why you care, is beyond me - look around you and really SEE the world, all that's in it, all the people and how they live and prosper - it's not all about what YOU believe, whether you like it or not!

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    Deaconessposted 13 years ago

    Siddhartha Guatoma explained that there are two types of truth... the relative and the absolute... the relative changes according to one's perspective... the absolute does not change no matter what perspective one views it with... if a truth can be debated, then it is by no means, absolute and should not be considered as such.
    
    For example, I can point to this tree outside my window and say that it is a tree. Can someone argue with me about it? We could perhaps debate about what kind of tree it is, whether it is big or small, what the differences are between a tree and a bush, the usefulness or uselessness of it, its ultimate purpose, how it came to be, what language possesses the proper name for it, or about what "defines" a tree... but as far as it being a "tree" it is what it is, and if there is no doubt that each and every person in this world would also agree that it is a tree, then the absolute truth is that what I am pointing at is a tree.
    
    And so... because we can still debate God... this just goes to show that NONE of us, so far, know the absolute truth about him/her/whatever (or as the God of my relative truth conveyed to Moses, whose mind interpreted as thus: "I am what I am.")

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    Deaconessposted 13 years ago

    Is there anything about the higher powers that be, that we can all agree on? Even a very simple thing? That would be a good start I think.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Nope. This is why the ridiculous belief in a higher power will always cause ill will and conflicts.
       
       How about acknowledging that there is no higher power?

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          Deaconessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          How about this: There is a natural order to things. Is this something that we can all agree to?

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             Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I see no natural order to things. What makes you say there is?
             
             Things just are - how about that?

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                Deaconessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Hmmm. I see it everywhere and in all things... albeit that order can be interrupted and often is... and yet those interruptions continue to follow the natural order of its results.
                
                Now... here is where relative truth steps in, as you likely have already surmised... as our perspectives of what natural order is varied.
                
                Realizing 'Absolute Truth' is quite a feat... I take the Buddha's discourse on it as a dare... to find it.

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Ah - so you claim to know the way things "should" be and can identify when the "natural order" has been interrupted. How clever of you.
                   
                   In that case - there is no natural order of things, surely?
                   
                   
                   You are making an assumption that it is there. That is not to say there is no worth in looking to see if it is. I do it all the time, but am fairly certain there is no such thing.
                   
                   Seems to me you are making a semantic argument in order to substantiate the truth that you already have.

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                      Deaconessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      No, I do not make such claims... what I mean by natural order... are the natural laws that govern existence... and the one that stands out he most for me is the first law of thermodynamics.

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         I somehow thought it might. You are pretty certain this is inviolate then?

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                         Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         Exactly, we establish that a gods existence is highly improbable based on what we have as evidence and no one can speculate anything about their existence, let alone any characteristics.
                         
                         
                         
                         Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't you making speculations on a gods characteristics, as well as starting from the premise he already exists? Doesn't that contradict the post above about knowing anything about gods?
                         
                         Or, are you just quoting from the bible and are indifferent to it?
                         
                         
                         
                         
                         
                         That's a wee bit vague. I'm assuming by 'natural' you mean nature, but what to you mean when you say 'order?' And, what order do you see in nature?
                         
                         
                         
                         Could you be more specific?

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             TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I agree there is a natural or deterministic order, but I think there is also free will in uncertainty and randomness.

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                Deaconessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                My first intellectual response to this, is that uncertainty and randomness is the result of free will.
                
                There is a Hebrew phrase, "tohu va'bohu" which has an obscure meaning, and is often translated as uncertaintly and/or randomness. In the scripture, it is translated as "void and empty" which is what covered the earth before God decided to do something with it... which we could conclude means that tohu va'bohu is what happens to something when God has nothing to do with it.
                
                And this brings me to the Hebrew word khet... which, if you can wrap your mind around this, can be translated as: sin, life, and free will. And if you wonder how this can be... it is because the true meaning of the word is: "Separation from God"... sin is an action or state of being that is "away from God"; free will is our functioning "independently from God"; life results from our coming or being brought forth in "individuality from God."

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                   Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I knew this would be educational! Deaconess, your explanation is elegant. This points up what I have stated in other forums, that there is "Free will, or God's will", that by accepting God, one surrenders the placement of their steps, therefore, their path changes, and they become submissive to the will of God. I believe that this also requires our ego to be virtually slain within us. We become humbled.

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    fionadeogposted 13 years ago

    The truth may be is only one, but human interpretation makes it many from different perspectives, and by different people.......

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       Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I believe that it all forms a complete picture, and that is the one truth. There is evidence that there was a single belief which all others have evolved from.

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    paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

    Are there, as some claim, many truths?
    
    Hi friends
    
    There can be only ONE absolute TRUTH; as there is only one Creator- God Allah YHWH. Al-Haqq means truth, which is an attribute of Him.
    
    There cannot be many creators of this Univese; if there would be many; it will end in chaos; but it runs smoothly in systems and He sustains it.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       but that is ur truth..truth based on religion u were born in..in same way there can be other truth for other person..i guess that is what originator of the thread meant by many truths..depending on who u r , from where u r , where u born , which religion u lived in etc etc one creates a perception and view through which he/she defines truth..it varies..whole truth would be one but it might be different from what u or me believe to be truth...

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       Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Couldn't he have had some old drinking buddies to help? You know, like carry building blocks and such?

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