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The Third Coming of Jesus Christ

  1. profile image61
    haj3396posted 6 years ago

    Is there a Third Coming of Jesus Christ. YES!!! Jesus comes the first time as a Baby. Jesus will come again to take us to Heaven, and he will come a third time to bring us back to each where we will live.
    ".........and the LORD my God shall come, [and] all the saints with thee." when have you seen in the Bible where Jesus and all his saints are together. when he is going to heaven at his second coming and when he coming from heaven at his third coming. why is the lord coming to earth the third time.Jude 1-14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

    16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

    17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

    18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

    19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
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    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I reckon you know what to do with your god's judgment! lol

      1. psycheskinner profile image81
        psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Did I miss the second coming, maybe it happened while I was on holiday?

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          haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No you have not missed it ,It have happen yet, but, if you do not know about the third then you might have a problem.

      2. profile image61
        haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        no what should I do with it.

    2. Judah's Daughter profile image89
      Judah's Daughterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You got it!

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        WOW! I'm amazed that you found someone to agree with you. lol

        1. Dave Barnett profile image60
          Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Don't wet yer britches, lotsa people agree with lotsa others.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Not too often with her. lol lol lol

  2. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 6 years ago

    But.... but..... but do you still wanna buy the WatchTower? hmm

  3. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    The OP is correct about there being Three times mentioned that Jesus comes to the earth.

      Once as the baby Jesus who walked the earth from approx. 6BC until maybe 30 AD.

      Messiah the Prince  Came as he said that he would  (96 AD) and again (Rev. 14) around 900 AD. 
       The 1000 years of Satan being bound in the bottomless pit was finished around the turn of the 20th century.
       He, the Beast and false prophet are now gathering the kings of the earth together for the final battle.

       That is the way that I understand scripture after all the Interpretations are taken out of it.

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What you described WAS an interpretation of the bible. smile

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If that is true ???

          Then two plus two = four    was just an interpretation until it became commonly agreed upon????

           Does nothing become fact until it is commonly agreed uoun?

        1. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



          Since the bible is allegorical instead of literal, there can ONLY be interpretation.

          I think you are a master at tricking yourself.

          1. Jerami profile image76
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And what proof do you have that the bible is allegorical instead of literal ??

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Ever seen a Griffin?

              1. Jerami profile image76
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Can't say that I have. 
                   I don't know if they everexisted or not.
                   There are most likely more animals that are extinct than are alive today??   I'll not make any claims of belief or non believ based upon the information that I have seen.
                   

                   I can not prove that God exists but I'll bet my life that he does!

                1. getitrite profile image79
                  getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                  I'm sure there were Unicorns and Dragons and Mermaid and Satyrs.
                  All, of which, have become extinct, oh my! sad

                  God sed it
                  I believe it
                  Dat settles it.

                  It's amazing what fear can do to a mind.

                  1. luvpassion profile image61
                    luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I saw a report on this very subject...the griffin, dragons many archeologists believe these were interpritations by earlier societies for fossilized pre-historic bones.

              2. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                smile

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        haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Every thing is an in that in the Bible, you have to believe in something, I choose the Bible. The only time we will no if it's true is when it happen.

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, you don't have to believe in something. That is false, my friend. People are quite happy not believing.



          Others choose the Quran or the Talmud or any number of other scriptures available on the religious market. So what?

          Unfortunately, the bible does not support itself as evidence just as every other scripture does not support itself.



          Nothings ever happened, though. How many more centuries must go by before something happens?

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      haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you are right and so am I

  4. Daniel Carter profile image92
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    ...come again?

  5. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    It is a good thing if we allow ourselves to believe something with out it first becoming popular opinion.

    If we believe it!

  6. waynet profile image49
    waynetposted 6 years ago

    The third coming of Jesus Christ!

    Sounds like a daft attempt at a porn movie!

    1. mrpopo profile image88
      mrpopoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lollollol

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      haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      waynet why is it so hard for you to believe. All your have to do is read for yourself. I wonder who have lead you the wrong way, that you do not Love God any more. I know you did once.

      1. nightwork4 profile image59
        nightwork4posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        how is it so easy for you to believe that a book is right. it's a book, simple as that. why or what makes you think that it is written by "god" . this is a question that has always confused me. ever notice how all appearances of "god" , jesus, mohammed etc. happened before pictures were invented. not a thing since then oh, ya the virgin mary was seen is some ladies soup a few years back.

        1. wilmiers77 profile image61
          wilmiers77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The bible is the inspired word of God without any claim of being handily written by God. God is a Spirit. God Is. A picture of a supernatural being is not required. It is impossible to please God without faith. The written word of God has been working for millions of people over the pass 2000 years. Track record is miraculous, trail by fire proven over and over, and multitudes of witnesses to the truth.

          1. nightwork4 profile image59
            nightwork4posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            i don't believe it was the written word of god. sorry. but what i do believe that if a person thinks that they are being helped by :god: then it gives them strength . you state the track record is miraculous but where is the actual proof. just because a person prays for something and gets it doesn't prove that god helped. if praying works there are billions of people who's prayers where never answered. now that's miraculous.

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          haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Why do we believe anything, the Bible states it's of God the other books states there from man. I done see the problem. So you are asking me why should I believe in man over God. Think on these things

          1. nightwork4 profile image59
            nightwork4posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            the difference between me and you is that i have an open mind. i once believed in god (as a child) but common sense and looking at the world showed me how silly it was to believe in such a thing.
            think on these things instead of letting a book make your decisions.

  7. getitrite profile image79
    getitriteposted 6 years ago

    Fear+Delusion=Insanity

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      haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Insanity+Delusion= fear. Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

      6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

      1. nightwork4 profile image59
        nightwork4posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        i'm thinking that these paths you think he directed you to are ones you chose either selfconciously or by looking for them.

        1. wilmiers77 profile image61
          wilmiers77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Make a self-conscious choice with God in the equation, and it plays out differently than the one made without God in the equation. Track record of the successfulness of the choice with God in the equation is leading by miles.








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          1. nightwork4 profile image59
            nightwork4posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            that's completely false. there is no way a statement like that can be proven. it's like saying if i would have prayed to god first i wouldn't have gotten hit by a bus. the one thing i find humourous about religion is that when good things happen you believe gods hand was involved but when bad things happen it's because "he has reasons for things"

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          haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Notice the words you use I THINK, when I am saying God said. think on these things.

          1. nightwork4 profile image59
            nightwork4posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ironically i do think. i think for myself and it's really quite simple. each and every one of us is responsible for our lives. nothing or no one can or will change that. think on these things. hey you use "think " too.

  8. tjhooper profile image67
    tjhooperposted 6 years ago

    There are many many many different views when it comes to revelation, the rapture, and the prophecies of Daniel.

    There will always be a disagreement about what exactly the Bible says about the end times...In fact there will always be disagreements about any interpretation of the Bible.

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      haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      your are right, but it's the Holy Spirit's job to grid you into all truth. Now, if he can not do his job then give up the Bible.

      1. tjhooper profile image67
        tjhooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        To give up on what you believe in would be giving up on who you are. I will never ask someone who believes in evolution or another god to give up.

        I don't lie to myself. I have chosen to believe in something meaningful. Something that gives hope to a world filled with corruption and hate...This just means I'm optimistic.

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          haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So what you are saying is you will never believe in God. I am not asking people to give up what they believe in. I am ask people to take a chance on ever lasting life. Think on these things

          1. nightwork4 profile image59
            nightwork4posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            why not take a chance on making your life your responsibility completely. wouldn't that give you strength and courage to become a better , stronger person.

          2. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You really shouldn't be telling others to think about these things, as it serves only to damage your argument. When we do think about these things, we understand them to be nonsensical.

            Use the phrase, "believe without thinking" and you'll have a winner every time. smile

  9. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    tjhooper wrote:
    There are many many many different views when it comes to revelation, the rapture, and the prophecies of Daniel.

    There will always be a disagreement about what exactly the Bible says about the end times...In fact there will always be disagreements about any interpretation of the Bible.
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    Jerami says     That is absolutely correct!  Why are there so many interpretations?  2nd Peter 1:20 says that NO prophesy of scripture has any private interpretation.

    To do so is to break the first rule in understanding the end time prophesy.

    When we break the first rule ???  We are headed in the wrong direction and  The truth of the message is lost.

    1. tjhooper profile image67
      tjhooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't have to break the first rule really. Many many people have already done that, and now all we have is confusion. What am I doing to combat that?

      Get away from people's teachings, opinions, philosophies, and just focus on me and God.  I've been to Bible college. I did the seminars and when it just came right down to it, I made a promise to myself and God, that I will be more worried about the relationship instead of the knowledge.

      As far as my direction and how I'm supposed to act as a Christian...God told me to love him above all else, and then to love my neighbor.

      That is what I do.

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Very commendable ...  That is all that he asks.
             

           But if we are going to be searching for understanding of the prophesy , we need to keep personal interpretations out of it.

            I happen to think that if Daniel and Revelation were understood as it is written ?  There wouldn't be as many Atheists.

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Don't get mad at me for asking, but why on Earth do you believe that Daniel is the key to Revelation?

          1. Jerami profile image76
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sandra ..Actually I'm glad you asked

              9:1  first year of Darius  establishes the year Daniel relieves this vision  (538 BC)

              9:23   The commandment came forth..
             
              9:25  (Paraphrase)  From the going forth of the commandment it shall be 69 weeks unto Messiah the Prince.  Second coming!

              9:26   After 62 weeks they are goina kill the Messiah

              In 538BC Gabriel said that in 62 weeks (568 years) they are goina kill the messiah.

               Gotta have a way to understand the timeframes given in Rev.
              Apply this to all prophesy and a picture begins to form right before your eyes.

               Also much of the terminology is defined.
               The bear and the Rough Goat is the Mead-Persian kingdom.
               The leopard is defined as Greece.

               Daniel 7 describes that when the Little horn of the fourth kingdom comes to an end  the heavenly kingdom is established

               Daniel 11:45 and 12:1  Establishes that when He ( the king that rises up after the first ten replaces three kings) comes to his end... At THAT TIME there shall be a tribulation such has ever been or ever will ever be after this. And at that time the children of Daniels people shall be redeemed.

               At that time when  An emperor belonging to the fourth kingdom upon the earth starting with Babylon comes to his end; this prophesy is to be fulfilled.

               When the 14 Emperor died there was no longer a nation of Israel cause Hadrian evacuated all of the Hebrews through out the roman empire.

               Revelation was written approx 40 years before that Nation that these prophesy were given to, ceased to exist.

              This fact should change the way that we understand Revelation.

              There is much, much more but I wanted to shorten my answer as much as possible and still answer the question.

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And what about the one seal that no one reads?  Given to John and told it will taste like honey in his mouth but bitter in his stomach?

              1. Jerami profile image76
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That was a small book and he was told that he is to prophesy again before many kings, tongues, and people.

                  In 96 AD the prison on Patmos was closed.  John did in fact return to ( I can't think of which church?  DUH ) But he did return and preach the message personally.
                 

                  The sweet to the mouth is the satisfaction of learning something new but then the reality sinks in and causes ya to feel sick with remorse.

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                  sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Just wanting to know if you would like to study Daniel with me.

                  In it, it reads to me that Daniel called Belteshazzar is a false prophet, he told King Nebuchadnezzar a 'false prophecy' and that statue that was put up wasn't of Nebuchadnezzar but it was a statue of Daniel. 

                  Daniel is the chief of the magicians, advisors, and also the government. 

                  After the statue is put up,  Daniel convinces Neb. to issue a law that cannot be repealed, that everyone worship it.  Everyone does so except for Daniel. 

                  He tells Neb. that the dream he had about the tree that reaches heaven that cares for all the birds and animals and gives life... Daniel tells him to cut it down but to leave the stump so that he can be restored after he praises the god most high.

                  So King Neb. leaves (he is not forced to leave but goes on his own) and lives with the wild animals and eats grass like cattle (sounds like a lamb or something) he gets drenched with the dew of heaven but instead he turns into an Eagle...

                  He says, after his sanity was restored he glorified the one who lives forever and he says this:

                  " His dominion is an eternal dominion; his kingdom endures from generation to generation.  All the people of the earth are regarded as nothing.  He does as he pleases with the power of the heaven and the poeple of the earth.  No one can hold back his hand and or say to him: "what have you done?" 

                  After that he get's back his kindgdom plus some but you that was the end of King Neb. in the book of Daniel.

                  Now King Belshazzar (not Daniel Belteshazzar) throws a party and orders that the goblets that his father (King Neb.) had taken from the temple in Jerusalem be used for all his friends, wives, concubines etc. to drink from and of course worship the idols of gold, silver, wood etc..

                  Anyways, so again Daniel is appointed a kings role given the purple robe and a gold chain and is head of the administrators, magicians, shucks, he was given rule over all the providences of Babylon. 

                  Now he pulls the same tricks with King Darius, convinces people to issue a law for 30 days that anyone who does not worship him be thrown into the lions den. 

                  -seeing as though he was the head of the admin, and appointed chief over the magicians etc... he doesn't get eaten by lions because they weren't there.

                  What I am trying to explain here is that Daniel is full of it and he is the 666, they guy who got numbered, the head of political rules, the magicians, the entire providence of Babylon, the one who causes people to worship him without even knowing it.

                  Read it carefully and you will see it too.  big_smile

                  1. Jerami profile image76
                    Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Was this from the book that is written in the KJV or one of the books that was not included in the canon?

            2. Brie Hoffman profile image81
              Brie Hoffmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Jerami, what kind of Christian are you?  I am born again from the Calvary Chapel Jesus Movement.

              1. Jerami profile image76
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I Don't know what kind that I am?

                   Didn't go to church much as a child.
                   I did most of my going to Church out in the woods or sitting on the edge of a clift,
                   Parents were Baptist.
                   I tried that some when in my 20s
                   Went nondenominational for a while.

                  Prayed for understanding and was inundated with this concept of endtime prophesy.  Reading them; attempting to rid myself of my predisposition of what I was taught that scripture said.

                    I think that church is a great place to be introduced to God.

                   Then develop an individual relationship with him.
                   He likes one on one. And if you are already his? He will talk to ya.
                  Learn what we can from reading scripture on our own instead of learning what some denomination wants for us to believe.

                   I gotta go pack a few different tools on the truck will ck. in in a few minutes before I have to leave.

                1. Brie Hoffman profile image81
                  Brie Hoffmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I am a believer, I talk to Him everyday.

                  1. Brie Hoffman profile image81
                    Brie Hoffmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Do you know who Chuck Missler is?

                  2. Jerami profile image76
                    Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    That is the same denomionation that I am!!  A Believer .

                      And if you are talking to him every day and he wispers back?
                    And if you are remembering what he said,Then that is all that ya need.

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          haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          who are you God/

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Jerami, anyone who does understand it will become an atheist would be more accurate I believe.

            People do not want to understand, because that would mean learning something that did not agree with their fear based faith. smile

            1. Jerami profile image76
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Just checking in before turning this thing off and going to bed.

                 You might be right but I don't think so.

                 If the prophesy were understood as written void of any and all interpretation  I think that there would be more people worshiping GOD and fewer people worshiping their doctrin. 

              And a few Atheist might convert when they SEE something diferent.

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        haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You only love God when you obey him. If I say I love my wife and never do what she ask me I really do not love. God said in John 14:15  If ye love me, keep my commandments.

  10. Diane Inside profile image86
    Diane Insideposted 6 years ago

    ughhhhh!

  11. wilmiers77 profile image61
    wilmiers77posted 6 years ago

    All referrals are about the second coming. No departure and returns for the third time. All happens in the second coming.

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I will say that every one of these prophesy written in the book Daniel was given to that Hebrew Nation that ceased to exist six hundred years before Jesus died on the cross.

         That Nation (children of "Daniels" people)  was given 70 weeks to quit sinning, repent and to anoint the most holy. Or Else...  They didn't..They killed him instead... and forty years after Jesus came and apeared to John (on earth) to gave him this Revelation  That Nation ceased to exist. 
      Their 70 weeks must have been finalized.

  12. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Sandra  ...In it, it reads to me that Daniel called Belteshazzar is a false prophet, he told King Nebuchadnezzar a 'false prophecy' and that statue that was put up wasn't of Nebuchadnezzar but it was a statue of Daniel. 

      After the statue is put up,  Daniel convinces Neb. to issue a law that cannot be repealed, that everyone worship it.  Everyone does so except for Daniel. 
    =============================================================
    Jerami said      This is the part that I do not see when I read these verses. Everyone does so except Meshack, Shadrack and Abednego. 
      I did often wonder where was Daniel?
    I also do not see where it says who or what the statue that was set up was of?
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    Jerami    ( Neb dreams that   (4:13) behold a WATCHER and a holy one came down from heaven and told these things to Nebuchadnezzar)

    Daniel only interpret the dream.
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    Sandra ....
      that the dream he had about the tree that reaches heaven that cares for all the birds and animals and gives life... Daniel tells him to cut it down but to leave the stump so that he can be restored after he praises the god most high.

    So King Neb. leaves (he is not forced to leave but goes on his own) and lives with the wild animals and eats grass like cattle (sounds like a lamb or something) he gets drenched with the dew of heaven but instead he turns into an Eagle...

    He says, after his sanity was restored he glorified the one who lives forever and he says this:

    " His dominion is an eternal dominion; his kingdom endures from generation to generation.  All the people of the earth are regarded as nothing.  He does as he pleases with the power of the heaven and the people of the earth.  No one can hold back his hand and or say to him: "what have you done?" 

    After that he get's back his kingdom plus some but you that was the end of King Neb. in the book of Daniel.
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    =============================================================== Jerami    King Belshazzar ( This was Nebuchadnezzar’s grand son the night of Oct 14 of 539 BC)
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    Sandra said    King Belshazzar Now  (not Daniel Belteshazzar) throws a party and orders that the goblets that his father (King Neb.) had taken from the temple in Jerusalem be used for all his friends, wives, concubines etc. to drink from and of course worship the idols of gold, silver, wood etc..

    Anyways, so again Daniel is appointed a kings role given the purple robe and a gold chain and is head of the administrators, magicians, shucks, he was given rule over all the providences of Babylon. 
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    Jerami says ...  Belshazzar offered these things to Daniel after he interpreted the words on the wall but Daniel didn't accept these gifts 5:17

    That same night Cyrus diverted the water from the underground river that supplied the city;  his troops marched into the city and conquered it unchallenged.  When Cyrus marched into the city the next day claiming it as his own the city celebrated. Cause Cyrus was known as a liberator.
    Cyrus appointed his uncle Darius to sit as king over Babylon while Cyrus continued on his campaign.
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    Sandra  said  Now he pulls the same tricks with King Darius, convinces people to issue a law for 30 days that anyone who does not worship him be thrown into the lions den. 

    -seeing as though he was the head of the admin, and appointed chief over the magicians etc... he doesn't get eaten by lions because they weren't there.
    =======================================================
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    Jerami  said...  It was Daniels jealous subordinates that talked Darius into passing a decree that anyone praying to any God other than Darius  in these 30 days be put to death.
       Daniel prayed to his God every day so they knew that they should be able to get rid of him.

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I found it..

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was talking about this.  You said that you couldn't discuss this unless I used the King James Version because you couldn't find it. 

        So I pulled it out of the KJV and you ignored it and went with the the first one because it is easier to say, "Oh they were just jealous", then it is to address what it actually says because when you read it for what it is, you will see that you are wrong about Daniel.

        1. Jerami profile image76
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I forgot to adress this second comment on this thread.

              You said that Daniel instigated having the decree instated.

            It wasn't Daniel; it was his subordinates that went to the king and tricked him into making that decree. They did this in hopes of getting rid of Daniel.  Their plan didn't work.

    2. Dave Barnett profile image60
      Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The old Walkin' on water trick, just a different form

  13. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    haj3396 wrote:
    you have to believe in something
    ============
    Jerami says ....And everyone that says that don't is lieing to them selves!!
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    Beelzedad said ........No, you don't have to believe in something. That is false, my friend. People are quite happy not believing.
    ...
    Jerami says   In anything???
    ----------------------------------
    I choose the Bible.

    Others choose the Quran or the Talmud or any number of other scriptures available on the religious market. So what?

    Unfortunately, the bible does not support itself as evidence just as every other scripture does not support itself.
    ==

    Jerami says ..... When it comes down to it  ???  Can I prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to you that ... I ...am here, who, and  where I say that ,,,I  am ????    The answer is   NO !
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    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Do you always refer to yourself in the third person? wink

      You don't have to believe in gods to be happy.



      Look up the words 'prove and evidence' to see if you can spot the differences. smile

    2. Dave Barnett profile image60
      Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Just light patterns and floaty little molecules made up of atoms, spread out enough, as transparent as air.

  14. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Boy is this conversation off topic. lol lol lol lol lol

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well...........   will you help get it back on ???

         HELP    ME  !!

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Jerami,

        People want Jesus to return, so all the myths about all scripture would die and become reality.

        People do not have faith, they have hope. Jesus is dead, never to have risen again, just like everyone else. It's a sad day when people believe foolishness over living in the here and now.

        There is no putting this thread back on track. lol Simply because it was doomed before it ever got started. wink

  15. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I do happen to believe in what I believe in!

       Most of my arguements on here have been to the Christian, concerning what is written in their/my bible.

       If we are to stand upon the bible as our sourse;  we should at least read it unhindered by preconceived ideas as to what we were told that it is saying.

       This is the only thing that I have been debating.

    1. Dave Barnett profile image60
      Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I said it , and I'll say it again. Just read what Jesus actually said. You can find editions which highlight his words. If you seek the truth, it isn't a bad place to start, but reconcile it with other teachings because inspiration comes from God, and he speaks to everyone, if you have the ears to hear. Some will say that is full of S***, but then I'm used to those who can't see or hear.

      1. Dave Barnett profile image60
        Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And by the way. Jesus appeared to his disciples, in the flesh, soon after his corpse was discovered missing. Further, he appeared to them a few more times. In the flesh. So how many times?

      2. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Dave, you might want to separate Jesus' works from the foundation of religion, so you can best understand it. hmm

        Just a thought.

        1. Dave Barnett profile image60
          Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Dead is dead, slick. and came back, is came back. It's just like with Easter. People miscount to their own purpose, but it is written "As Jonah was in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of Man be in the bowels of the earth. 3 days and 3nights." If you can squeeze three days and three nights between Friday, late in the afternoon, and Sunday(or Monday for that matter!) I wouldn't go round saying who knows what about what. Check that!

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, and ignorance is blissful to those who believe in an imaginary entities. Good going, you're a prime example of the conflict religion brings to the world.

            Have a great day!

            1. Dave Barnett profile image60
              Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hey, don't get yer panties in a bunch. I don't believe in what you think I believe, I'm very deceptive that way.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Just your words are enough to understand you're clueless. So, don't worry about what I think you believe, because your belief is irrelevant. tongue

                1. Dave Barnett profile image60
                  Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  a bit unreceptive to others perceptions, the insensitivity of a yearling ass, If you just want to insults others with the darkness swamping your limited thinking, why are you here. I didn't realize that this is just about what you think. EXCUSE ME, talk about irrelevant little pricks.

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    It wasn't about what I think and yet you try to make about what I think. Talk about ignorant action.

                    Why am I here? If you are unable to figure that out, without the insults???? which you claim to being wielded at you... WOW!

                    Get a life man.

      3. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Do you take your own advice?

           If you begin building your belief system by reading the things that are written in RED (Jesus said) and believe these; you would clearly see that they do not speak of THE great tribulation or his second coming of Christ as being in our future.

           In Matthew 23 Jesus was bashing the scribes and Pharisees



        V34 “Wherefore behold (listen)   I send unto you prophets,   and wise men and scribes; and some of them    ye shall crucify, and some of them ye shall scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city".

        V35   That upon you shall come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,…
        V36 Verily I say unto you, all these things shall come upon this generation.
        ==
        Jesus is telling the Pharisees what they are going to do to his disciples!!!


        The disciples that had just heard Jesus telling the Pharisees all of this, as written in C. 23 ask Jesus:    When are these things that you just told them going to happen?


        {Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted  (I can picture Jesus point to one disciple) and shall kill you (as he points to another) and yea shall be hated of all nations. }

        Jesus told the disciples many things that are to happen before the end of days
        (For their Hebrew Nation)

        24:34   Verily I say unto you,  THIS generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
            But I caint tell ya the day or hour.
           
          If you read the words  written in RED; unhindered by previously held interpretations and beliefs, you can THEN see the message as it was intended.

        1. Dave Barnett profile image60
          Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          My point exactly, There you can see clearly that Peter failed to understand some things, and he is the foundation on which the church was constructed, But I have to disagree about Jesus, or the Spirit, and the last days, because "The other, " who is coming, the Spirit of Truth, can only be in the end times. he also mentioned the signs of the time of the end. Also, I believe, that cycles, especially historical cycles, repeat, this is the concept of the Baktun system of the Mayan Calendar, so, a prophecy can have pertinence throughout history, time after time. Gee, I'm so terribly myopic!!!LOL

          1. Jerami profile image76
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            , because "The other, " who is coming, the Spirit of Truth, can only be in the end times. he also mentioned the signs of the time of the end.

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               From which verses are you referring to??

          2. Dave Barnett profile image60
            Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Besides Vagisil, you are the one who couldn't dance. You'll soon discover what is imaginary and what is not. That is why I wanted to know why you were here. After all, we are discussing God.

            1. Jerami profile image76
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              ??????????????????????

  16. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Oh but I did.  I'll go find it...

  17. waynet profile image49
    waynetposted 6 years ago

    If you compare the first and the second coming of Jesus against a possible third, you might just be able to measure sperm levels for each!

  18. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    sandra rinck wrote ....  I was talking about this.  You said that you couldn't discuss this unless I used the King James Version because you couldn't find it. 
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       ME     In My comment I attempted to say that without looking at the same version as you were looking at I "couldn't" honestly nor intelectually answer your questions concerning what a version that I haven't seen says.

      When reading the KJV I still do not see what you say that you see. Sorry.

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    sandra rinck wrote  ...  Daniel 3 who is the statue of?

       1Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.

       2Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.
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            I do not know who or what the Image is of.  These verses are not specific?

       I would wonder where Daniel is at that time?  Because this chapter does not mention him.
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    sandra rinck  said  ...   3:30Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, in the province of Babylon.

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          OK
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    sandra rinck  wrote 
    5:11
    There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers;

       12Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation.

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       This chapter is describing events that are said to have happened the night of Oct. 14, 538 BC.

    I do not understand what the question or statement is that you are making of this chapter??

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am saying that you said that you use Daniel to interpret Revolation.  Given that Daniel in himself is said to have the spirit of many gods, not 'the god' then what he is saying is not true, but of one truth of many truths which is that he is a liar, a false prophet. 

      In Revelation, it says to be watch out for the false prophet.  In the story of Daniel, it is certain to me that Daniel himself set it all up to make it look as though King Neb. had set up a statue of himself and forced people to worship it.

      But if you ask nearly any christian who thinks they know what they have read, they will tell you that King. Neb. set up a statue of himself and made everyone worship it.

      Daniel is also the culprit in convincing King Neb. to put up a statue which I presume is a statue of Daniel because he honors him as the host of what he thinks is god. 

      From popular understanding, the Tree of life is the symbol of Christ but in this story, King Neb. has a dream about it but Daniel tells him to cut it down but get's intervention saying, leave the roots.

      Popular understanding is that Jesus would pull it up from the roots if it is bad with regards to the parables.  So when reading this particular story, it seems pretty clear that Daniel knew well what it meant and King Neb. was not the devil king as he is portrayed to be.

      Also, Daniel is the head of Babylon. What do you hear a lot about?  "Get out of Babylon", "Babylon will be destroyed."  "Babylon is the great whore". 

      So why would they say all of that, and then fall victim to believing that Daniel is the great prophet when he is nothing more than a liar who was head of political affairs as well as the magicians and all of the above.

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You may have a point concerning who this image is of.
        You would think that if Daniel had been someplace else it should have said so.  Daniel probably would not have been expected to bow to an image of himself dedicated to himself.

          But that is not to say that he aproved of it, and being how he didn't mention this he wasn't proud of the fact.

           Nebeuchadnezzar placed Daniel over the magicians, It seems to me that this commitee might have been cut down to one (Himself) 

            If we are to believe scripture at all I would think that we would have to begin with those things that is said to have been spoken By Jesus Christ.

           Jesus recognized Daniel as being a prophet. Had Daniel been a false prophet I doubt that Jesus would not have refered to him as "Daniel the prophet" (Matt. 24:15)

           But what do I know?


           I do use the timeline comparison given by Gabriel to analize the timeframes stated in Revelation.

          I consider the symbolism defined by Gabriel in the book of Daniel to also give a hint to the meanings of these same  symbolism as stated in Revelation.

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

             15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

          What exactly does this mean to you? The abomination of desolation. Remembering again, he had one truth of many, had 1 intervention.  Was given 1 seal that was kept secret. 

          If the truth is that he is the false prophet who caused many to 'stumble', then what truth are you looking at.  What did he do?  He had women and children fed to the lions. 

          Again, he was a master manipulator, could have had any one of his servants take back the lions and then if he was so good, why would he then allow the king to feed the lion children and women?

  19. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    We can get sidetracked by debating the lesser details written in the book of Daniel and miss the simplest of facts.

      All of the visions described in Daniel were to and for that Hebrew Nation that they were given to.

      They (the visions) were describing the first four kingdoms upon the earth that had dominion over that nation; beginning with Babylon.

       And a time line comparison between Angelic time and earthly time is given in chapter 9.

       62 Prophetic weeks is the same as approx. 568 of our years.

       This timeline comparison was given to us for a reason. So we can use it when studying prophesy.

       When understood, the prophesy proves the rest of the scriptures.

  20. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    sandra rinck   said    15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
       What exactly does this mean to you? The abomination of desolation.
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       Some people believe this to have happened just before Jerusalem fell to the Roman army in 70 AD.   
      During the civil war that was going on between the different sects,  dead bodies were piled up in the sanctuary of the temple as well as through out the streets of Jerusalem.
       This would have been an abomination unto the Lord.

       Others including my self believe the Abomination of desolation to have been set up when Hadrian set up two statues upon the Holy ground where the second temple had once stood.
    One statue of his god Jupiter the other was of himself. Hadrian planned to build a temple to Jupiter on this sight.
      At this time ALL of the Hebrews were deported through out the rest of the Roman Empire.
      As far as the Hebrew people were concerned , the land lay desolate for the next 1680 years.
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    sandra rinck   said   Remembering again, he had one truth of many, had 1 intervention.  Was given 1 seal that was kept secret. 
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    I do not understand unless you are speaking of Daniel 12:4 where Daniel is told to shut up the words and seal the book?

    I find it curious that the descriptions as described in the previous verses seem to match the events that are to take place Rev 7:9-17   (after the sixth seal of Revelation is opened) and also Daniel 13 and 14. Could the sixth seal of Rev. be the same seal that Daniel placed on this book?
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    sandra rinck   said    If the truth is that he is the false prophet who caused many to 'stumble', then what truth are you looking at.  What did he do?  He had women and children fed to the lions. 
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    When did Daniel do this
    I see no reason to believe Daniel to be a False prophet.

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    sandra rinck    Again, he was a master manipulator, could have had any one of his servants take back the lions and then if he was so good, why would he then allow the king to feed the lion children and women?
    ====================
    Again I do not recall Daniel feeding anyone to the lions.
    Nor do I recall Daniel having authority to allow or disallow the King to do as he pleased.

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Okay but what is the abomination of desolation?  To me it reads more like being forsaken.  Not so much about an empty city in ruins.

      As for the children being fed to the lions.

      6:24And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.

      For a guy with such favor, it doesn't strike you as odd that Daniel can do anything he wants to and Darius believes his god is the god of the living yet doesn't do anything about stopping him from casting even the innocent wives and children into the lions den?

      1It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;


         2And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage. Jealousy?  What jealousy, Daniel was the head of them all.  Or perhaps Daniel didn't much like being equal to the others even if he was first.

      7All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions. All of them including Daniel was in on the action of issuing this law.

      10Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.

      Why would Daniel make this law and then break it, and then have all those people fed to the lions? Oh wait...

      2And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage. How does Daniel regard himself?

      Looks like a little checks and balances going on here.  Was Daniel hiding something?  They could find nothing on him but an outright disregard for the law that even they wrote, why would they do this?

      You don't at all see this as condescending and suspicious?

      4:35And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

      who would say to Daniel, what did you do?

  21. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    There is an intresting story on SciFi station. about secrets at the area 51 and the vatican.   will ck in during comercials

  22. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Verses 4, 5 & 6 clearly state that these men were going behind Daniels back in an attempt to get rid of him

      They lied to Darius ........   and said that this was a unanimous decision that Darius should sign this statute.

       I would think that "lying to the king", causing him grief and feeling betrayed and foolish ....could be seen as cause for execution.

       Daniel may have had no recourse.  If you were king would you keep someone working for you that has humiliated you publically?   Back in this time you would not have simply fired them. The only way that you fired a person for misconduct was to put them to death.
      Whenever you killed someone you also killed anyone that might seek revenge.

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      prove it.

      4Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.

         5Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God.

         6Then these presidents and princes assembled together to the king, and said thus unto him, King Darius, live for ever.

      It seems like you are ignoring that Daniel was with them as well.  They were commissioned to give account of each other and that did not make Daniel exempt and Daniel didn't like this much. Nor does it sound like he much liked the idea that the others said "King Darius, live forever".

      8:20The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.Who had them killed?

         21And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Which king was turned into a grass grazing animal?

         22Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.Who was also given power besides Daniel from the first king?

         23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.Who then reigned?

      7:28So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

  23. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    Guess I'm content to await His return with anticipation, just watching and praying as we are instructed.

    Signs are looking good, the increase on iniquity seems to be progressing well, the laying one with another in unnatural ways is well advanced, the increase in knowledge with no understanding is really impressive and the wars and rumours of wars, along with the rest of Matthew 24 is ALL coming together nicely...

    So not too long to wait His return and our departure,or should that be the other way around!

    Anyhow, no problem, I've read the end of the book, and God wins!

  24. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    sandra rinck  said  ......It seems like you are ignoring that Daniel was with them as well.  They were commissioned to give account of each other and that did not make Daniel exempt and Daniel didn't like this much. Nor does it sound like he much liked the idea that the others said "King Darius, live forever".
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      These verses make no mention as to where Daniel was.  He might have known what the presidents and princes were going to do?  He might have put them up to it? And he might not have?
       I really do not know ?? 
       When I study the prophesy I am always trying to eliminate any interpretations that are already present in my mind due to  things that I had previously been taught. 
       I am certainly going to make every attempt NOT to add to those by inventing further  suppositions.

       According to what is written!!!; is the level in which I try to keep my understanding.

      It does not say when these events as recorded in chapter 6 is supposed to have happened. We can only assume that this was the first year of Darius because he was setting up the local government.

       It was common when Cyrus captured another land that he appointed a "lesser" king who then reassigned leaders within the existing infrastructure. 
       Something of the nature in which is described in Daniel is the way that Cyrus handled his newly acquired real-estate.   
         

      Daniel is never heard from again after the third year of Darius (535 BC)   The same year as the Hebrews actually left to return to Jerusalem and begin the rebuilding of the city.

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      7All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions. All of them including Daniel was in on the action of issuing this law.

      Daniel 10

         1In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.




      Daniel 11

         1Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.

         2And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

      7:28So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

      If you were really trying to only read what was written and avoid interpretations, you could read this as it is instead of denying it. 

      Protect the notion of Daniel being a the prophet if you must, but Micheal the protector of children, ruins Daniel.  In the end, the God you think you are believing in does not win. 

         45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

      Daniel 12

         1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

         9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

         13But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

         21But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

         13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

      I figure you really just want to interpret what you wish to understand in the way you want to understand it but according to this book. 

      It is Daniel, who is standing on the other side of the river who is going to try and stand against Micheal. 

      Daniel goes off to a mountian in the sea.

  25. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    aguasilver  said    Anyhow, no problem, I've read the end of the book, and God wins!

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       ME Too

  26. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    v4 ...  the presidents sought to find occasion against Daniel
    v5   then these men said that we shall not find any occasion against this Daniel except ...  concerning the law of his God.

    v6  Then these men went to the king AND  SAID

    THESE MEN SAID  (They went to the king and lied and said)  v7
    that all the presidents and governors all agree  ...They lied to the king.   And the king knew immediately that he had been lied to when those men brought their accusation against Daniel before him. but he could not resend that statute..  We could imagine that the king was angry with those men that lied to him.
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      Sandra  rinck    said …. 

      7  All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counselors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions. All of them including Daniel was in on the action of issuing this law.
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       But the king knew immediately that he had been lied to when those men brought their accusation against Daniel before him. but he could not resend that statute..
       We could imagine that the king was angry with those men that lied to him.
        The king must have felt betrayed by those men.
       So he fired them according to the customs of the time.  He killed them!!

        I'll answer the rest of your comment shortly.  I'm working on it now.

  27. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I can't make a reasonable comment to verses taken out of three different chapters but layed out together as if they are supposed to make sence all mixed up together.

       I think that we are flowing rather well up until this point.

  28. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    For me the main point that is made through out the book of Daniel is that all of these visions of prophesy are concerning that Hebrew Nation that these messages were given to!!!

       And I think that the comment about  "And after three score and two weeks  Messiah be cut off  (Killed)  is of greatest importance; if we are to correctly understand the book of Revelation.

  29. Flightkeeper profile image78
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    Good grief, wasn't the first time enough for Jesus? I mean if I was Jesus and I went through all the crap that we humans put him through I would say Been there, Done that, That's it.

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      haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is history, Jesus came as a baby, to let you know what he was willing to do to save you. Then he went back to heaven to prepare a place for you so when he come the second time he will take you back with him. And he will come the third, with you back to this earth, where you will live forever

  30. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    sandra rinck wrote:
    Just wanting to know if you would like to study Daniel with me.
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       Are we done ????

       I am curious is we have changed our out look any at all ????

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I gave it all to you straight on your own terms and you pretty much blew it all off and when push came to shove you settled with saying, "well I read the end and God wins."  So be it, you blew me off in exchange for the answer that would not disturb your core belief.

      I think about Romans.  David says, no one seeks god.  Those who seek will find, and when they find they will be troubled...

      This baffled me for a long time because what I assume you believe to be 'god' is what it is except that this god is more like the devil. 

      It's perplexing for sure but if you ever get over the hurdle of understanding why no one looks for god but finds it in the same, it really will trouble you to the core.

      I do believe in something good but this thing I believe is not the one that people attribute as the one in the Bible.  I find similarities indeed but the 'god' I loved and believed in first would never hurt a soul, not ever.

      But having searched it out, if you will.  I may have gained knowledge and understanding but what I feel I had lost is my innocents because what I wanted to gain, I lost. 

      So, at my own personal crossroads, if you will.  I am left with trying to find what I first loved.  And that was something special.  It was the kind of thing where it didn't matter what it was or if it ever existed anywhere but between me and what I imagined my god to be.. my friend but all of that was stripped away and by what? 

      I believe, if you aren't careful, you will lose your soul to this book.  Don't feel sorry for me, don't even pray for me because what I want back is something that that god took but wont give back.

      I don't think it is funny but I can hear the heckle call now.  If you don't think that hurts people who actually do have hearts, then if all things are to your god.  Then your god is a thief. And indeed, he does win.

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        @  Sandra   ..  The comment I made about "I Read the book and God wins" was to an other post.  It was not directed to or a part of our conversation.  Forgive me if I made it apear that way.


            You said...   I do believe in something good but this thing I believe is not the one that people attribute as the one in the Bible.

            I totally agree with you on this.  He/It  is not as "Religion" protrays him to be.
           

           I do believe that when we understand the prophesy as stated in the book of Daniel;  And the timeline comparison is analized without the hinderence of religious interpretations influencing our mind ...  When we apply this timeline comparison (mathmatical equation) to these references whenever an angel delivers a message in vision form.... 

           This PROOVES that religion has taken a left turn someplace when it should have gone streight ahead on, believing what their God said without changing the meaning of the written word of prophesy.

           When we change the meaning of the word of God to mean anything other than the clearly stated message;
           A lie is followed.

           After 1,000,000 lies have been told, how do we recognize the one truth that does exist?

           This is just an opinion but I think that when we understand the Book of Daniel as written; uninterpreted, the beast that is described in chapter 13 IS  Religiousity,  born in Rome in 326 AD.   And all other denominations of Religiousity is the daughters of the whore if they follow their mothers doctrines.

           First of which is the second coming of Jesus Christ being always in the future tence.

           The prophesy as written in Daniel clearly state that these prophesy is delivered to THAT Hebrew Nation that came to its end of Days in 135- 138 AD.   And the times of the Gentiles will last for at least 1335 days.

            This happens to corrispond to approx 1892 AD.

            This also corrisponds with the BIRTH of HITLER.

            When the concept that a week in prophesy  = approx 9.13 of our years are truly analized,  You would be suprised to find 1000s of tidbits of circumstancial evidence. Too many to ignore.

           In finishing this comment...  I will reafirm that you are correct.   Religion ain't telling it right...

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          haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          this is what you call in"interpretation." she have no foundation on what she believe, but man and man only claim wisdom, which he got from God. the Bible claim inspiration from God.

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        haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        sandra rinck you are in danger, please look to God not man for wisdom. What if your are wrong Mr. Then your life will continuos  as is, but, if I am right you are in danger.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol This should help a lot!


          Sandra I have been through the loss you have felt, ( I know, in my way, which will be different for all of us.)
          I would try to explain it sincerely like this.

          The love that is lost when religiosity is injured feels like loss of connectedness with the god-head.

          This loss can be overcome by knowing the truth about ourselves from a different place in our mind that can be taught by understanding self. Sin as it is known is understood as a shadow aspect of self that is both dangerous and useful, if not essential to self love. Religiosity does not deal with the dark side of self. It lacks the courage to do so.

          Owning our dark side is like a religious experience.
          When we know that we are evil and capable of any bad deed ourselves we discover that we can gain self worth by the truckload.
          No god/devil to trade with, no psychotic mind games, just an understanding that we are not good or evil, we are all good AND evil, and the way to live a happy and moral life is to find self love through knowledge of self. As an admired psychologist once told me. "It's your myth, you live it if you can!"

          I live my myth of being a loving father a good loyal friend and the worlds best grandfather! lol

          My life is wonderful every day, I made it that way by making my decisions based on simple things.
          I enjoy my children and their children, so I live with them.

          I like transactional analysis for the kids to learn a bit about love and respect. I cheat these days with the grandchildren through a great little book, "I'm OK You're OK"

          Religious belief has the capacity to hold us in a state of mind which has a rather tenuous grip on a falsified or proxy of our own self love, and chinks in our self worth will not permit the self love to be felt directly through religion which is why it evangelises.
          Someone should have shouted "Thou protesteth too much!" ages ago to the evangelistic!

          You have excited my mind to the truth that with enough courage people can open their minds wide, and their hearts as well. smile

  31. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    How might one "interpret" this?

      The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'  (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

    Seems pretty straightforward. And totally psychotic! lol

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It would be one of the longest Hubs That I have written if I were to answer this adequately.

         A short version ....       Everyone knows that ya can’t work 365 days a year. Ya go crazy, burnout, no longer 1/2 as productive as ya might think that you are.
         Too many people try to go by the "WORD" of the law and not the spirit.  They did that when a man was seen picking up a piece of firewood on the Sabbath and was killed for it.
         That wasn't what the Lord was talking about. 
        Somebody just wanted to feel the power of being Hall Monitor"

        It was the people that had the hard hearts!

         Ya also gotta remember what these laws of Moses was written on. The Material didn't last that long.  How many times was it recopied?    And most of these were lost in 586 when the Temple was destroyed.
         Hebrew traditions had been lost by the time that they had returned from Babylon.  EZRA was commissioned to reestablish the old tradition by reassembling the written text.

         He might have done a pretty good job but it probably had some errors.
         It was an instance of the religious establishment attempting to reassert itself.

         I forget if it was you or Mark that said,   ..."I have never met a true Christian, but I have meet their sales team"
         I'm sure that there is "a little" bit of  truth in that.
         And I bet that they were selling "THEIR own" concept of what they believed the bible says.

        Just cause I am a poor salesman does not mean that the product is as poor as I am.

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      haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      When your child disobey you, you discipline them in time. God is saying in time I will discipline you, if you don't change, and my discipline is death.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Which makes your god a psychopath. How did you just walk past that? lol

  32. maplethorpej profile image86
    maplethorpejposted 6 years ago

    Listen people... Everyone is losing their head over interpretations... Obviously it isn't possible to see the future. Otherwise, things would be a little bit too predictable. The point of apocalyptic prophecies is for people to be on alert and realize that times are increasingly chaotic and man's evil  now has the potential to destroy the world... NOT the devil, but man.

    We need to stop bickering about prophecies and make sure our civilization doesn't fall due to 'unprophecized' events (basically, events that hadn't been foreseen but they're right in front of our eyes).

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      haj3396posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      maplethorpej you need to read the Bible, I hate that a person like you and with the mine you have, not see that the Devil is real. Everything the bible have said have come true. Do that tell you something?

  33. Apostle Jack profile image62
    Apostle Jackposted 6 years ago

    If you wait for the 3ed time for Christ to come you will be one of those that was not intented to make it into heaven,

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      According to Daniel 9:26  And if Jesus was the Messiah, and the NT is correct? The Messiah was cut off (Killed) 62 weeks after 538 BC.

         The 69th week (Until Messiah the PRINCE) would then have been fulfilled around 94 AD. Huh  That is when Rev 1 says that God sent Jesus to give the revelation to his servents???
      I think that that was his second coming.
       
        We have just been misinterpreting Prophesy for 1900 years.

        This second coming was promised to that Hebrew Nation that later ....ceased to exist in 135 AD.   Did God break that promise that was promised to "that" Hebrew Nation??   

         That Hebrew Nation that ceased to exist in 135 AD is a different Nation than the one that exists today.

 
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