Was Jesus Sane or Insane?

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   TruthDebaterposted 13 years ago

   I recently began reading a book that makes a good case for Jesus. I highly disagree with the Christian religion along with every other religion I have encountered. The author of the book makes a good case, either Jesus was sane and taught good morals, or Jesus was insane and delusional with everything he said being a lie. Can an insane person teach good morals? As for the resurrection and what is written as truth, I am still highly skeptical. Does it make sense that so many after Jesus should believe when the ones alive during his time didn't believe?

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Whether or not, Jesus was sane or insane? He was sane and taught life knowledge to peasants(or anyone who would listen), so as to instill integrity into them, so as to bring forth a moral code of conduct for living life.
      
      A truly insane person cannot teach anyone anything.
      As you should be.
      Jesus' message has been manipulated by man, so as to control the masses, via the 'god' concept. Hence, why "Christianity" came a great many years after Jesus was executed for no crime. The "kingdom of god" that Jesus spoke of, was all about consciously controlling your own life, through the use of integrity in action. Be a master of self, love thy self and have compassion for those who cannot help themselves.
      
      That's my take on it.

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         TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks. If he did all of those things without being the son and way to God, it sounds like a good person. If he did make the claims about being the son of God and lied, his entire life with everything he taught was a lie if a resurrection never happened. What makes you believe he did never claim being the way to God?

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            Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I would think so too.
            Actually, when you look at the time which Jesus lived and those who were in power, which was a religious political type structure, and the fact that Jesus was executed for no crime, should show you the extent at which those in power would go to, to keep their truth the only truth.
            
            Realizing that, then you can understand why Jesus spoke like he did and what "claims" he was to have made? Please also remember, one key fact about religion- the language(primitive) was based on religious connotations and developed the metaphor about that time. So, when Jesus made statements, such as "kingdom of god" or "god is within you", he wanted people to take control of their life. Jesus spoke in metaphors and parables, so as to confuse those who were god-kings who ruled. He message was coded in the religious language and the translation to other languages(words do not exist, so other words that mean the same were used), is just one problem.
            
            As for the resurrection? Was made up by the religious in power, so as to give Jesus credit for having god-like powers.

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               TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks. What do you mean executed for no crime? I thought the crime was blasphemy. If no said crime, what did they tell people of why they were executing him at that time? If he was only speaking in metaphors rather than literally, wouldn't he have told his peers or the ones convicting him that he wasn't talking about a god in heaven? If he did speak in metaphors while not telling his true meaning, this would make him a liar as well.

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                  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Blasphemy? Jesus told them they in certain words, that they gave praise or followed a false idol. Remember, these were conscious people who were manipulating and enslaving those who did not know any better.
                  There really was no crime and blasphemy isn't illegal, but because of the religious political structure, any sort of consideration could be deemed as blasphemy against whatever god the god-kings suited to their rule. Again, sure lie to the people and it continues.
                  Don't confuse living now, with living then. Metaphors and Literal??? Think about it. Metaphors were the only linguistic tool to use to describe something else. Literal?? wasn't even a word that existed then, in any language.
                  The primitive language is all there was to work with, religious connotations and metaphors? Do you care to try and explain something to someone using only those two tools? I know I wouldn't. Especially, at the time he lived.

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      ProfessorProveItposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This is just another example of someone trying to stir up sh** and get attention.

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         TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Says the one liner.

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            ProfessorProveItposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes.  No sense in wasting people's time.  I call 'em the way I see 'em.  There ya go!  I just wasted more time with an entire paragraph.

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      goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sane or insane?
      
      Are you??
      

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   bsscorpio8posted 13 years ago

   Perhaps.

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      TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Very detailed response. Thanks

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         bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sometimes the most detailed responses require simplicity.You are very welcome.

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   KCC Big Countryposted 13 years ago

     this should get interesting.

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   getitriteposted 13 years ago

   I don't know if there was a real Jesus, or if he ever uttered a word of what is assigned to him in the bible, however, the Jesus character depicted in the bible would be treated for Psychosis by today's medical professionals.
   
   Psychosis:  a loss of contact with reality, usually including false ideas about what is taking place or who one is (delusions) and seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations)

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      TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks. As far as psychosis, what would the doctors say if witnessing the predicted death and resurrection? I don't think a person could be judged psychotic if their predictions come true. But that is a whole different subject, it's hard enough trying to find out if he ever existed in the first place, so you could be right. If we both imagined he did in fact exist, could a person with psychosis become one of the biggest role models in our time?

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         getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         
         I'm Right.
         
         If those predictions of death and resurrection came true, then it would be a reality that none of us could fathom.  In the world that we live in, dead people always remain dead--no exceptions.  Anyone asserting that he has the power to resurrect himself, then, would be, immediately, assumed to be insane.
         
         A psychotic person could, very well become a role model.  It is according to how many people are gullible and fearful enough to believe his delusional assertions.
         
         Still, the psychotic role model is not what he says he is, however, to the believer, he is their only hope, because they, too, have become delusional, from our state sponsored indoctrination.
         
         The delusion is based primarily on fear, because all of us know that this story of Jesus, God, virgin births, and resurrections is abject nonsense.

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            bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Do you believe that this is the only reality that exist,that there is nothing beyond what YOU see and feel? How do you know about the dead?Have you ever been dead? If Jesus was Psychotic,who deemed him so? Perhaps those who deemed him psychotic were psychotic themselves.Some say that psychotics are closer to the truth than those who are considered sane. You know,they,"broke on through to the other side."

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               getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               
               
               Maybe there are other realities, however, I live in this one. If you prefer, you can live in any reality you want.
               
               How many times will this type of logic be put forth, as if somehow it has some validity.  It is known that nothing can be proven, ABSOLUTELY.  But when individuals assert things that defy the laws of our everyday existence, it is to be taken as only conjecture. 
               
               The only reason that the resurrection story has any validity is the alleged accounts of the alleged witnesses. To live ones life based on an improbable and unobservable conjecture doesn't make much sense.
               
               Furthermore if you have so much faith that the dead can be resurrected, why don't you try the experiment using yourself as the sacrifice?  Prove me wrong.

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                  bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  How do you know I haven't already experimented using myself? You don't,therefore,I have nothing to prove.This logic will be put forth probably as long as it has been around,and maybe even longer.YOUR everyday reality may not be OUR everyday reality.Does anything in the universe make ABSOLUTE sense? Is it supposed to? Furthermore,as the mind thinketh,so does it manifest.
                  
                  Remember,the Bible IS a story.

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            TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It's not always true that people remain dead, many have came back to life after death, just not 3 days after. I'm not going to try to prove a resurrection because I don't believe it. I agree that much of the belief is based on fear, but I think a lot is also based on love. I think many love their beliefs because it gives them purpose.

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   wilmiers77posted 13 years ago

   Jesus was very much sane. His mind is far advanced over even minds of today. I can understand you and people feeling this way because of the vast magnitude of His mind He at first sounds insane. In the scriptures are many witnesses that saw Jesus after His resurrection. It's the same or similar to reporting an UFQ today, and you know how that goes.
   
   Why don't you think this way; the truth usually comes out after the passing of time. It has been over 2000 years with vast advancements in science, and no one has disproved the resurrect; no body has been found; no conspiracy has been forth coming that held water or even came close; instead, only confirming witnesses continually coming forth verifying His Truth.

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      bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have never seen a UFQ,let alone a UFO.
      
      Who is to question the sanity of or insanity of Jesus Christ? That is like not seeing the whole forest because one is concentrating on a single tree.Like Bruce Lee said,"don't look at my finger,or you will miss all of that heavenly glory." Or something like that.Remember,with Jesus,they killed the messenger,he left behind a simple message.

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      TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks. The time can be used both ways, you could say psychology also developed over time making the acts of Jesus seem highly unlikely. If a large crowd seen a UFO at the same time and agreed that it was unknown, who would be more believable, the large crowd immediately after the incident? Or their family members they passed the stories onto over generations?

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         bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         If you will remember,UFO's were even spotted back then,in biblical times.

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            TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, but which are more believable, those of the past or those on youtube?

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No one has proven the resurrect either. Which means - by default - it is nonsense. 2000 years with vast attacks in science by religionists.
      
      And still - you have no evidence. None. Just 2000 years of war.
      
      Sorry. You must be very angry. LOL at the conforming witnesses and the capitals.
      
      Morals? None.

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   bsscorpio8posted 13 years ago

   Either could be equally credible,as a matter of fact,THEY COULD BE THE SAME ONES!

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      TruthDebaterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree, they could be. But most people of today prefer video over old scripts or rock carvings. Whichever has the most believers or the most details of that time is the most credible.

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   sandra rinckposted 13 years ago

   Does it actually matter?  Would it change anything?

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      bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps.

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   The jesus character is a watered down version of his father, without as much psychopathic murdering.

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   pladecqalvoposted 13 years ago

   There is no verifiable evidence that he even existed.

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