As everybody is confused about God and his identity, his role, his name, his power. Every one has his own believes, many of us not believe in God, like we all say God knows everything and he can see everything, so this post is for my dear God friend, requesting you to come here on earth and tell us who you are? where you live? your name? your role? your indentity? so that every human beings doubt become clear, because i know everyone doubts will be clear only if you come.
So all hubbers what do you think, will God come here?
Which one? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of them spoken of our past.
@Randy, didn't get You? you means there are hunderds of God?-------But God is one as per my knowledge.
hmmmmm! But dont you think God is one?
You still didn't say which god, nor where you received your knowledge about your particular god from! Did you inherit your religion from your parents? Or have you studied about all of the present popular religions and merely selected one you feel comfortable with?
Still I am not sure about who is God? that's why i told God so please come on earth and tell us who you are?
Jesus said, "Knock and the door shall be open to you." Therefore, whatever it is that you want to know...if you really want to know will be revealed to you. It isn't on the outside that you will find the answer but within you.
The best advice I ever got was one that my Mom gave me when she told me, "If you want to know who your spirit guide is then before you go to sleep ask and in a clear statement and the answer will come to you in your dream state." I had a dream about it that my spirit guide came to me and that was that.
Try it, go to sleep with a clear question on your mind and within three nights the answer should come to you. It should only take one night but remember everything happens by the third time at least.
We are 95 percent subconscious and 5 percent conscious. The knowledge of all things is within you. Dive within your subconscious mind and retrieve it.
personally speaking human beings are one of species that exist of earth ..we think we are important but may be we aren't..why should god or natural system bother?
As we are child of one God then God has to bother. For natural system it is fine, if it doesn't bother as natural system is non living thing. But God is living.
well we believe that we are only child of god..but what about other species..if god made them , they do are child of god..isn't it?..now in last 50 years , human race has been indirectly responsible for extinction of so many species..if humans are child of god , those species are special child because they can't think like humans do..so god would be more likely to stand for them.isn't it?..suppose u r god and u made the world and so many species..now species are dying , there is global warming , natural resources are getting scare , what would be your priority?..
We are only responsible for this global warming---so we have to sort out the problem.
In our mind there are lots of global warming going on so first we have to slove that.
exactly..that is whole point..god gave us most valuable gift..that is brain..now we have to make best use of it..we blow it up or we make most of it..god has done HIS part and he doesnot need to worry now..why should he bother when he gave what was needed?
God is already come and is in all things, you have seen and you have heard and still you are not able to perceive HIS reality...
Wake up to the light and know...
God is within you and all around you.
His word is TRUTH perceive it within your own self
I think the important question here is, what if nothing happens? God does not show up? Instead we got the pro and anit god people doing what they do best (arguing). Do you turn from your belief in god since he (she) was/is a no show? Do you make up some excuse for god (s/he was in the bath at the time, or something more believable)? Or do you find some other take on the situation?
The one thing I can say is don't hold your breath if you are expecting a miraculous virgin posting from a divine isp provider or anything so obvious
i don think so i have ask a wrong question, i feel this is suitable place and category to ask such a question. Many of us dont know God, so i have raised this question. May be some miraculous happen in my life due to this question.
I think perhaps this gets to the heart of the problem the believers and atheists have. What you think of as the presence of god, and the fulfillment of your request for his/her presence in your life would not be considered as such by the atheist. No amount of wonder and job and new found friendships etc. will change that disbelieving view. To the atheist this is the beauty of coincidence and even a bit of chaos theory, the result of us living to our natures and not attributable to a god. If we could get past the god part and just seek true connections in life for a greater good (feel free to give god the credit or mankind, the credit is of no importance anyway) we might find less divides us then the wonders that connect us
As mentioned, there have been many gods claimed to have existed over the years, supplanting each other throughout history. The gods change as civilizations change. Bibles themselves have changed from an Old Testament to a New Testament. It is within these new scriptures that the current god of Christianity has been defined.
In other words, there should be no confusion at all. And yet, there are so many different sects of Christianity alone that have it's members fighting and arguing over this defined god.
Since the gods have changed over the years as civilizations have changed, it isn't likely any gods will be showing up any time soon, or ever. These are man-made gods, contrived to suit the civilization of the times.
Why do you ask who will descend from heaven -that is to bring the Anointing down to you, or who will go down to the pit and bring the Anointing up to you -- but it says: the word is very close to you, if fact so close, it is in your heart and mouth. Why? So you can actually do what it says. Not so difficult after all.
"I will write my laws on their hearts; be their Abba; they my people." "I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh" ; "To each is given a measure of faith --so no one has any excuse."
He will be back, but remember that He has already done what you asked, and we crucified Him.
His Holy Spirit has remained with us, and anybody can contact Him in a second, problem is, most folk will not do that.
When He was here last in the flesh, He told us that there would be no more signs and wonder shows, so in a way, He pre-empted your question and answered it before you asked it.
Earth is a testing place, here is external, we all will die either from ages, sickness, being killed, and other causes.
Everything at here is just temporarily, everything is leased to us by God, our knowledge including discoveries, science, and so on, our eyes and our eyesight, our health, our emotions, and so on..everythings...
One day, we will be judged and that day you will be asked, what have you did with your hands, mounth, eyes, wealth, health, times and everythings that you have responsible with.
So friends, if disaster happen, is a test on human faith, remember life on earth is external, do not blame God, for the things happen, good or bad, best or worst, becos afterall, earth is a testing place, live wisely, live faithfully, and be true in our deed.
How could you said i have faith in God, when you only use mouth to say it but not heart and action to commit it. "never said you have faith until you been tested."
Every powers come from God, everything happen on earth is under His authority, therefore anything happen, fire, tornado, earthquake, war, farmine, genocide, and so on.. is for reasons. We work our best to deal any matter that arise in our daily life.
Peace to everyone.
What "test" was god conducting when he wiped out over a quarter million people in a tsunami? What can we learn about god with this "reason" for mass murder? What can we do about anything from this example?
"Unto Allah is your return an he is able to do all things." Holy Quran
Once you understand death and God you will not ask this question.
Yes, I will ask that question.
Btw, which god am I supposed to understand?
No, We all are the posession of God, we do not own anything. God own us.
Mass murder is the term you give,is not God term, I dunno not God reasons, as our knowledge and understanding is limitation, As i told you many time, life on earth is very short, but human still think they live very long, they think they will live forever on earth, Arent Tsunami is one example to show you how fragile is your life, Is a test to human.
Do good deed all time, but do not do ignorant, simple helping somebody to commit evil is not good deed, but is a test on whether you applying knowlegde or not...
Live great life, not live slave to money, or slave to politic, or slave to evils, but live with purpose.
I understand how fragile life is and don't need the example of murdering a quarter million people to get that. That's like pushing in a stick pin with a bulldozer.
Nothing you've offered has answered the question as to why your god would murder hundreds of thousands of people, many of them believers like yourself, just to make a point of faith.
"that's like pushing in a stick pin with a bulldozer"
Friend, its good that you know how fragile life is, but not many people understand like how you understand...
each human understanding level is different compare other
If they understand, they will not waste their time, will not commit adultery, will not commit many other sins, but see, some people their understanding based on mouth only, if they really understand, they will commit on it, appreciate their life and do things that is just and fair.
They continue live wild, commit so many things that totally unjust.
they ask black magic, they seek witchcraft, they have evils intention on each others, they have greed, lust and so on... they want be powerful, fame, and so on..
But they forgot everythings is belong to God, good and bad, all of them belong to God, they make their wish from demon, rather from God, even the power of demon also come from God, God have allowed demon has certain authority on earth to deceive people. Merely Life is just a test( do not say you have faith unless you been tested).
Understand my dear fren..
"Do not said you have faith unless you are being tested"
Yeah, thanks for dancing around the question without answering it. Since the "demon" has not provided similar examples of mass murder, I would tend to think your god is the one who is the ultimate evil.
If life is a test, your god failed miserably in it's delivery.
Thanks for the time, we can discus next time,
God never failed, for again is our human with limited knowledge, again fren,
be take care.peace..pray that you will see the way.
Everything is own by God, but 1 things that make human special is , God has gave us one most precious things and one of the reasons we live on earth and being tested. that is FREE WILLS, we own free wills, free choice, to know good and evils, and to choose in which we want, and its free.
God did not command us like robot, if like that , we are no different compare with angels only different in the form, but function is all same.
Do you have a wrench available?
If so, please use it to tighten the nuts or bolts which you have loose. I think you are coming undone.
What god are you making reference to? Last time I checked, there is no god.
like you told - Last time I checked, there is no god ? what does it mean?
That means, last time I checked with myself, and sorted out what I believe in from what I understand, ends up with the same positive results...there is no god.
The subject god is a religious problem, brought on by religious people, who came from a generation of strict control and self-absorbed egos.
The "god" concept of religion is false and always been false, because when you look at life- there is no god required to live life.
oh! Cagsil--i like your statement - "The "god" concept of religion is false and always been false, because when you look at life- there is no god required to live life." ----------------------
But you know if we beleive there is God then we will fear for doing wrong and evils---------------if we are in trouble we have soem hope in God.--right dear?
u have a point but problem with religious beliefs it that at times it does more harm to humanity..if we see history none has killed human more than on basis of religion...riots , slaughters, power games have been attached with my religion , my god concept...on positive side it does serve purpose which u mentioned...
If you think if everybody know that GOD is one for all religions--then all problem is solve.
Same way if we all realise that we are child of One God ( supreme God) then we all are brothers and sisters----so again all problem is solve.
If everyone simply lived their life without the thought of god, it would be even better.
@britney i beg to differ..let us take religion for example..now this applies to all religion..Islam believes in allah ..right?..now muslim community has three larger sects called sunnis , shia and sufi ..they believe in same god , same prophet and same book..search google to see how many times sunnis and shias have fought..in hinduism there are unlimited sects and castes..there have been violence between them ..in christians too we have catholic and many others..even if god comes and say hi , i am god..500 years down the line , we would have many division , all claiming that their way is only way..guess that is how humans work...
Be better as self-control, self-guidance and learn some self-responsibility. See...no god required.
Human beings are self-guidance, it is what we have a conscience for.
yes Cagsil, you are right. First we have to know ourself, who we are ? and what is our responsibility on this earth? Then all problem is solved.
Okay, if you do not know who you are, then you have problems more than anything else you'll ever attempt in your life.
Our responsibility is to be self responsible about our actions and to hold ourselves accountable. We are to be civilized to one another, so the rest of the world can heal and progress forward to a world where peace can reside.
However, religion throws in a wrinkle, because it automatically causes conflict. Those who are religious(mystical god types) cause conflict every second they open their mouth and speak of god, as though it is something that is real. When the truth of the matter is that there is no living proof of a god ever being in existence.
just a simple question for you Cagsil---who you are?--then i will tell you my answer?
Excuse you... "Who you are?" makes no sense. I am me. I love me. I prefer to spend more time with myself. I've found my core understanding of my life and self-realized that there is no god.
I have no questions regarding my life. Therefore, I have no need for a god nor do I have any form of desire to be a god either.
God, the mythic figure is an illusion, which was brought forth to control the masses, because of an pre-conceived notion that humanity is inherently evil at it's core. Too many people believe that if people were to believe god did not exist or found out that god did not exist, then chaos would ensue.
Research works wonders. I highly recommend it.
@britney i got to go..it was pleasure to talk to you...thank you..
but you have not given me asnwer - just a simple question for you Cagsil---who you are?--then i will tell you my answer?
question is for cagsil , so i didn't answer..who am i?..I am a seeker who is still seeking for answers..
ok i ask same question to you also pisean? what you will say?
No you are not seeker---Your real identity is you are --"SOUL" --your body is your costume which you have wear to play your role in this world.
When we die our body remains here but SOUL goes away and take new birth. So you are SOUL. Realise your real identity.
You earn, play, watch TV, go for tour, everything related to body but what your SOUL wants?-
A soul? You have proof you have a soul. Please bring it to the attention of the next doctor you see. You will make history!
the faith i was born in believes i m soul but i m not 100% sure about that..that is why i m seeker..who knows whether soul does exist or not..we believe in that because our brains make us believe in that..in same way we may not believe in that because our brains makes us not believe in that..our brain is still not been explored 100% and we dont know what it creates..what ever we have in our knowledge domain is still minimum of what does exist..
that is why i call myself seeker...if we take fully convinced atheist , he would give all reasons about why god doesnot exist ..if we take fully convinced believe , he would give all reasons about why god exist..but where does this conviction comes from?...what are we minus our brain?...world does exist in our brain ..storage , logic , analysis , judgment and also faith (which is right hemisphere job)...so i cannot 100% deny what u r saying neither i can be 100% sure about it...
@Cagsil, and @ pisean282311 --oh! it shame --you dont know we are really soul?--you never thought when we die --our body remains here same as it is --so what is that which gone away?-that is soul.---Scientist also try to catch soul but they can't!--They have put live person on transparent mirror box that is fully closed and after soem thime that person dead and soul fly away by breaking that mirror. Scientist even not able to see the soul as soul is very very small. Got ?
alright let us keep that way..why are u scolding me?..u believe we are souls right..i said i dont know..u feel it is shame that i dont know..now if it is shame , let it be..how do i believe in something which i am not convinced of?..did i deny that what u r saying is wrong..i said i can't reject nor can i agree..u have right to believe in what u think is truth but why do u want me to feel ashamed about something which i dont know?..give me link of experiment u r talking about..let me go through it and then comment..
I am very sorry pisean282311, my intention was not to hurt you, it is wrong word use by me.
yes, you are right, everyone can beleive as per there experience, anyways i am also on learning stage. Will meet God one day and tell my experience with you all.
This statement is completely out of whack. Meaning it is meaningless. You insinuate you have particular knowledge about human beings having a soul or spirit?
It's B.S.! But, thank you for the "spirited" discussing.
Soul and Spirit are simply descriptive words for describing the actions of another. These two things do no exist with current knowledge known. But, nice try.
People have made many things their god as far as priorities and their time. Squandering time on useless things can become a god, but there is only one true God and His son Jesus Christ who will shortly return to get his church.
Wouldn't it be nice if the figment of some people's imagination were actually a real being and it materialised tomorrow. imagine all the horrendous religions it would disband and how many of its followers it would dump into the hell of their choice - before it looked around to what was else was going down
According to Hume
"'Tis an established maxim in metaphysics, That . . . nothing we imagine is absolutely impossible. We can form the idea of a golden mountain, and from thence conclude that such a mountain may actually exist. We can form no idea of a mountain without a valley, and therefore regard it as impossible."
In other words, Hume is saying that if it can be imagined...it can be possible, and if it is unimaginable...or can't be imagined, then it never would have been discussed in the first place.
Yes he does - I even started writing my post by saying that while it is clear to me that god is a literally a figment of the imagination of some people - then didn't bother. My apologies, a god is not impossible, now many people imagine the moon is made of blue cheese . . . . .
We now know the cheese thing has been proven wrong, though there are those who still say we haven't been there at all.
This is the problem isn't it ? enough people doubt for it to be only 'proven' by consensus of opinion, there are many theories that hold water but they also rely on consensus - the televised thing is not proof is it - it is a tv show that might be real, I saw on tv that the moon has little fluffy creatures that talk like musical instruments.
MY BELOVED CHILD...I CAME HERE UPON YOUR REQUEST...
EVERYONE WHO TRULY LOVES GOD...KNOWS ME FROM THE BOTTOM OF THEIR HEART...YOU KNOW ME TOO...NO ONE KNOWS ME BETTER THAN YOU..THEN WHAT IS IT THAT IS BOTHERING YOU? ARE YOU HURT BY THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES 'THE ATHEIST'? OR IS IT THE ABSURD THREAD CALLED 'GOD PARADOX' POSTED BY SOME NON-BELIEVER THAT MADE YOU CONFUSED?
I thought everyone had to wait a full 6 days before they could post after begetting a new account? Then on the 7th day thou could post?
Dont doubt me My Child...I am here to help you
It is really bad, you are thinking yourself as supreme God, it is insult to God, you will repent on your words, better change it.
@imperial_han - and not slave to your god.
@mohitmisra - do you understand death? Have you ever died? I think I have a better understanding of death than you. I have been dead. There is no difference in a life that goes on after death. To clarify, my life before death was exactly the same as my life now, after my death experience.
The only reason anyone requires a god is to mitigate those things that happen in their life. They are not satisfied with the answers that they can come up with for those happenings.
Get over it! Take it as being what life is all about. Use the energy you expend on talking to your god in a more productive way - perhaps talking sensibly about issues that affect us all and try to come to some educated conclusion.
If it turns out that there is a god then it will be pleased with the results of what you have learned.
If there is no god then you will not have wasted your limited time on earth spouting man-made fallacies at all and sundry.
There is no conclusion to the god or no god argument as there is limited knowledge at play and an impossible conundrum as to how to prove a negative. So much time wasted on trivia. We can all get by without god being at our beck and call. This god does not answer prayers. Why would it? There are so many other better things for it to do!
I tihnk theres a lot to be said for accepting the fact that we don't know and may never know what goes on. Most people tend to want to know everything and this could be a lesson in itself really. Perhaps 'God' (I use it as a broad term be he/she a being or just an energy) visiting earth, could in fact destroy our quest for higher knowledge of life, morals, etc. Which his/her presence would be almost the same as knowing too much about life (ie which religion, which set of rules), and having an instruction manual, in which case, why would you want him here, life would be lifeless if it was a step by step set of instructions. I can understand the problems it would solve, but it would create a further ignorance in my opinion about life. I say this with all due respect to anyone and their opinions, sicne I beleive my point is valid but not absolute.
Wow! just look at all of the above responses. Maybe we should change that name, that label, the word "God" to something which arouses less emotional response. What ever It be: He/She/It, it is something we cannot grasp with our intellect. Still, it seems everyone reaches a certain point in life where they need a life philosophy they can live with. This means of course, no matter what we're told, we'll go on seeking...
You are right that the only way to answer the question is for God to come to earth and to tell us who he is.
Nobody will believe who God is, or even if he exists, until they experience just what you said.
C. S. Lewis took on the first part of your question (God coming to earth) in his book "Mere Christianity." Lewis was a very smart guy--a Don at Oxford and a Cambridge Professor who could quote from memory the vast majority of Medieval and Renaissance English works--and he started out as a committed atheist. He didn't finish up that way though. He found convincing evidence to answer your question. Very readable book. Would recommend you give it a look and make up your mind for yourself.
If you prefer exploring things with other people, there's a course called "Alpha" that's offered all over the U.K. Very open to critical discussion, and no topic is off-limits. Once a week for a few weeks. Holy Trinity Brompton church in London offers it, if you happen to be in that area. Also highly recommended.
The answer to the second part of your request has two parts: God telling us who he is, and us hearing him tell us. The resources I mentioned above both talk about what God has told us, so takes on the first half.
The only way for us to be able to hear him, however, is for him to touch us in a way that we can know deep within ourselves that it really is him. He tells us he is love, and that means we need to experience first-hand that he truly loves us to get this final part of the answer.
For me that happened through a combination of feeling his care for me, and objective facts like God healing my wife from diabetes, and my daughter from dyslexia. Both healings came with dramatic changes that couldn't be explained away.
Anyone who has no answer to your question is just speculating. Human speculation has never yet led anyone to "the right" God, nor has it ever ruled out the existence of God. It's all just so much talk.
God has promised he will reveal himself to anyone who is honestly seeking him. I've suggested a couple of practical ways to do this; if you have a better way then go for it. If not, give them a try. If you follow these steps or something like them with a genuine desire to actually find God if he should reveal himself to you, at some point God will reveal himself to you. He loves you very much, and it has nothing to do with you making yourself good enough for him to accept you. He already took care of that when he came to earth.
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