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Jesus prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH

  1. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Hi friends

    Jesus prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH; whom he describes sometimes as God- the Father; and he used medicines to cure the diseases; this is the source of his signs he performed with the will of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

    This is the essence of Jesus teachings and his person.

    Do you agree?

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Being a prophet, a man of god Jesus had supernatural powers paarsurrey.
      He is not a normal human like you.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I never said that.

        Thanks

    2. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No, I don't agree. smile

    3. Dave Mathews profile image60
      Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus prayed to Almighty God, His Father, and Our Father as Christians. We also pray to Almighty God.

      There is no place in the Holy Bible that says that Jesus used any kinds of medicine to cure any of the people he helped, as a matter of fact, there were no medicines to help with such illnesses as blindness, leprosy, a withered hand or foot, death, so I don't know where you get your false information from.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friends

        Jesus was born of Mary and it is very clear that Mary had no husband called god; and Jesus was a Jew and Jews never believed that YHWH had any wife called Mary.

        Jesus only prayed to YHWH, the Creator as a Jew; and YHWH had no literal son.

        Jesus as god or son of god is mythical creation of Paul and the Church and its associates; myths never make a reality.

        This is what I sincerely believe; others could believe differently out of their free will with reasons.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      ralwusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      do you ever talk to self?

    5. jay_kumar_07 profile image60
      jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi
      WHY YOU ARE CALLING GODALLAH
      ALLAH IS ARABIC LANGUAGE  . IT MEANS GOD.
      PL
      CALL GOD GOD  OR  ALLAH ALLAH
      JAY.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God and Allah are synonyms; please check with the Arabic Bible to cofirm it; those who don't know it they get confused. You may take it AllahYHWH, if you like.

    6. ceciliabeltran profile image84
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He prayed to Avinu...

      Avinu, Shabashamayim (our father in heaven)

    7. ceciliabeltran profile image84
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yes Alef Lamed is AL as well as EL

      El is just a semetic word for G-d. Allah is also Allayim or Elohim. One and the same. same first five book of the bible too.

      but who cares. there is only one G-d. Listen to your own prayer.

      Allah Hu akbar. Allah, lâ ilâha illallâh.  Since Arabic is very close to Hebrew, it is literally the same word. Allah and Allayim/Elohim is the same G-d.

      But the symbol of islam is the moon, from Ishtar, the assyrian goddess of love. And the star of david is actually the sun of the symbolic union...has a lot of egyptian influences.

      So islam and judaism are divided in the attribute of G-d. Moon for mystery, Sun for the revealed. So really something greater is going on here. The opposites need to realize they are the broken ends of one stick.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Moon has not been mentioned as a special religious symbol of Islam in Quran. If fact Quran says:

        [54:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
        [54:2] The Hour has drawn nigh, and the moon is rent asunder.
        [54:3] And if they see a Sign, they turn away and say, ‘A passing feat of magic.’
        [54:4] They reject the truth and follow their own fancies. But every decree of God shall certainly come to pass.
        [54:5] And there has already come to them the great news wherein is a warning —
        http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0

        Quran mention of moon becoming into separate parts or pieces; or becoming apart; so moon is not a special religious symbol of any significance in Islam.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That has always been a most hilarious piece of Islamic mythology, Allah splitting the moon into pieces and then "spackling" it back together as a show of his power. smile

    8. Nayothara profile image60
      Nayotharaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There is only one God, this god you confused with seems sad.

  2. TMMason profile image72
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    He prayed to God the Father... yes.

    That doesn't included Islam's Allah, though.

    Islam does not agree with the definition of God the father in any way... and the Allah of Islam could more readilly be identified as Hubal the chief god of Kaaba.

    From the Hadith..

    About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba.

    This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)

    So?...

    The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".

    "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.

    There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".

    When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".

    The black prophet of Islam retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.

    Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped the moon-god.

    Well that about sums it up Paas... anything else.

    1. Joni Douglas profile image85
      Joni Douglasposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you.  Couldn't have said it better.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friends

      Take an Arabic Bible; Catholic or Protestant; where-ever one finds the word God it has been translated as Allah. Please ask the translator's who think Allah and the word God are synonyms.

      Quran did not invent the word Allah; it existed since the times of Adam or even before.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. TMMason profile image72
        TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Stop playing Samantics, Paas... lol

        The word Allah literally means, God... yes.

        But when you use it, the god you are referring to is entirely different then when a Christian or Jew uses it.

        We know what god your identifying it with... and it isn't ours.

        Anyone who has read the Ingeel and Qu'ran can see the difference... also the Torat though simlar is at its base different. You would know that if you actually read them instead of spouting regergitated talking points from the arabian PR office.

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There is only one God called by many names.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend Mohitmisra

            I agree with you.

            Thanks

  3. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    So paara
    And you know this because you were there right?
    Or did you just read your grim fairytale and decide it must all be true? lol

    1. the pink umbrella profile image81
      the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      haha...takin the words right out of my mouth earnesthub!

  4. pjk_artist profile image78
    pjk_artistposted 6 years ago

    Jesus Christ is the Christian's personification of the the existence of God within. All of the various religion's "prophets" tried to convey a central message.

    God exists within you...call him Allah...call him God...call him BooBoo. To pray is to use your imagination. To sin is to not realize your imagination creates the hell you find yourself in.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend pjk_artist

      Jesus is neither god nor son of God.

      I agree with your rest of the post.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. TMMason profile image72
        TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Is it that you do not care you mis0understand that phrase?

        Or that you do not care about the truth?

        I think you want to propagate the wrong information about something you have no undertsnding of to begin with.

        The word “son” (ibn) also has more than one sense. It can be used in a literal sense, as a child is born from the union of a father and a mother.

        But it can also be used in a symbolic or spiritual sense.

        For example, the Arabs say that a certain person is ibn al-wa

  5. TMMason profile image72
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    Not all religions pray to the same God.

    That is progressive liberal equating.

    It is old and doesn't cut it... read the religions you speak of and you can see the difference in the nature of the gods talked about.

    Simple...

    Stop trying to nullify someones religion by equating it to all others. There is a reason we are not all the same religion, you know.

    Think about it.

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How many god do you think exist ?

  6. pjk_artist profile image78
    pjk_artistposted 6 years ago

    Very well said brother Mason.
    All religions do not worship the same god.
    Would you go so far as stating that all religions except one have got it wrong? That is they all worship a false god except for the ones who worship the correct one? (Of course we all know that OURS is the correct one and everybody else has got it wrong. ;o)

    I believe that the "correct god" would be one that any man on earth can worship independent of his faith. I believe that various men of various faiths have discovered this true God throughout history. They recorded their experiences and later the writings were used to create "workable religions and doctrines of men". The writers were called prophets. Jesus. Buddha. Mohamed. The God they found was personified in various forms. Jehovah. YHWH. Allah. etc.

    Unfortunately, man has misinterpreted these stories to be factual history and many men have abused and corrupted religion into a powerful tool to control the masses with fear or promise of eternal paradise.

    The good news is if you forget everything you've been told and go back and read the scripture again, this time looking for the message or lesson the original author was trying to teach you, then you can uncover a mystery.

    [Tell me if this is mirrored in the Koran.] The central theme of the stories in the old and new testaments is this. God exists in you. You are his son. There is only one son. God in you is Jesus Christ. You will experience everything written in scripture concerning Jesus Christ. You are the word of God. Heaven is....your skull! Jesus Christ is your own wonderful human imagination. God speaks to you in the form of visions.  You will have a vision of being released from your skull and see a babe in swaddling clothes who will call you Father. There will be three witnesses and two will deny it.

    My friends. I know its sounds "hard to swallow" but I (in the state of Andrew) am showing you Jesus. I know many of you will turn (as doing so you fulfill scripture) but I hope a few who read this will wonder..."What the hell is this guy talking about!" and suddenly realize...all these different religions are naught but a creation of my own divine imagination. God's imagination.

  7. Greek One profile image79
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    I think if Jesus read some of these forum topics he would most certainly pray

    1. Flightkeeper profile image79
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Or at least have a good sense of humor.

    2. pjk_artist profile image78
      pjk_artistposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus is reading these forum topics. Since he exists only in you, when you read something, Jesus is reading as well.

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        ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So when I watch porn, jesus can see that too? That is rather amusing.

        1. Rishy Rich profile image79
          Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not only that, He sees you even when u mast***bate big_smile

          1. pjk_artist profile image78
            pjk_artistposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            There's a passage in scripture (I can't remember the exactness) but it goes along the lines of: men hiding in the closet and thinking God can't see them or hear them and their evil thoughts....but scripture says God is everywhere and you can not hide.  This idea supports my assertion that the true God is actually your consciousness. So ya. God watches porn and wacksoff. HE makes alive and HE kills.  God may choose, through you, to enter into some of the most horrific states or some of the most wonderful.

          2. the pink umbrella profile image81
            the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            oh my, its getting serious in here....

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Hi friends

    Jesus knew that he was not a god or son of god; he had to pray to the Creator-God Allah YHWH, in times of tribulations as he believed that he could not come out of them without the help of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

    [36] Then Jesus came with them into a country place which is called Gethsemani; and he said to his disciples: Sit you here, till I go yonder and pray. [37]

    Jesus made his supplications to the Creator-God Allah YHWH, he wept and cried before him to save his life; even on the Cross he prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

    The Creator-God Allah YHWH accepted his prayers and saved him a cursed death on Cross.

    All praise be the Creator-God Allah YHWH who heard prayers of Jesus, an obedient of servant of Him and saved him a cursed death on Cross.

    Jesus died a peaceful and natural death at the age of 120/125 years in India.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. Rishy Rich profile image79
      Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Parrsurrey...Do you even know the history of your Allah?


      In pre-islamic Arabia, Allah was a Pagan God who had companions & associates. Your Allah had 3 daughters - the local deities of al-ʻUzzá, Manāt and al-Lāt were His daughters. Allah was thought to have had sons too but their names couldnt survive under muslim pressure.


      Muhammad was fascinated by monotheism specially bcoz he knew that Arab tribes would not stop fighting each other unless they are brought under one ruler - under one God.  Muhammad copied & modified the Christian & Judaeo text, borrowed materials from other religious sources like Zoroastrianism & compiled it to make an encyclopedia of religion.

      Allah has 99 names...Do you know why? Because these 99 names are the names of other Pagan Gods of Pre-Islamic era. Muhammad & his companions applied this 99 name theory so that the future generation would think that there were no other God but Allah & all God names
      belong just to Allah.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Pre-Islamic_Arabia

      1. pjk_artist profile image78
        pjk_artistposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Rishy said
        "Muhammad copied & modified the Christian & Judaeo text, borrowed materials from other religious sources like Zoroastrianism & compiled it to make an encyclopedia of religion. "

        Well said Rishy, although you'd better watch out what you say about Mo. Islamists can be quite violent when you cause them to question their faith. How could one face the world when one discovers everything you believe about God is false?

        You make a good point when you say  "encyclopedia of religion".  Man sat down long ago to work out  "workable" philosophies of life for men to live by and gave us all "mystical ancient texts" hashed into perfect tools to control mankind's thoughts and actions.

        No one would be in this forum were it not for their hunger for knowledge and truth about God. We must all try to forget what we've been told and read holy scripture looking for the MESSAGE that the original authors were trying to convey. A message on how to find the True God.

        God became man so that man may become God.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend

        I don't agree with you. It is only a guess work.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. Rishy Rich profile image79
          Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend

          We dont care what you think because this is the Absolute Truth! Prove it WRONG if you can!!!

          Thanks

    2. the pink umbrella profile image81
      the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      WHAT???????/

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    michaelmalyonposted 6 years ago

    Does any of the christians trying to defend Christianity have bibles? Then use them! John 1.3 all things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made that was made. The hebrew word for God in Genesis 1.1 is Elohim. This translates to God-s the suffic him denotes plural in hebrew, always!

    1. pjk_artist profile image78
      pjk_artistposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Re: John1.3:  This passage supports my assertion that God is imagination since nothing in this world made by man is made without first imagining it.

      Re Gen 1.1: Elohim is a plural form of one God.  Its impossible for us to fully understand but put simply...God(Elohim) is You, me, and every other human being ever to live or have lived on Earth.  We'll never understand while we exist in this 3 dimensional dreamworld.  Its like trying to explain what a cube is to a square.

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        Volliemanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus always referred to His God as His Father. Never Allah, nor the Creator,no YHWH,.As He was the Creator God, so He did not pray to Himself.
        Elohim is a uni-plural word, just as "family" is a uni-plural word, one unit of more than one member.
        I believe the Judeo-Christian Scriptures convey the true message of an Almighty God to His Creation, Man.
        Just as we include an instruction manual along with our creative endeavours, so our God gave us an instruction manual also, that if we lived by His Holy Spiritual Law as codified in the 10 Commandments we may at Jesus' return to earth,enter the Kingdom of God which He will rule over on this earth, from Jerusalem. Those true Christian, alive or dead at the time, (and there aren't many, in fact a little flock ) will be those who are resurrected and joined by the living Christians to meet Jesus on His return and will be Kings( rulers also ), and priests in His Kingdom. Not up in heaven, but here on this earth. Very few Christians seem to have been taught this, or they fail to understand. this clear teaching of Jesus. Essentially He came to deliver a message, but knew that mankind would not, except in the minority, believe Him and would conspire to kill Him. He accepted this fate as the only way man could be reconciled with our God, His sinless life as the only acceptable sacrifice for a sinful creation to accept His paying the death penalty for us. The wages of sin is death, and that penalty must be paid, and it is an eternal death spoken of here, so only God Himself could make a substitutional death penalty for us.
        This is where Jesus and His message, found in the Judeo-Christian Scriptures is entirely unique, all the others are imposters or the delusions of man.

        1. pjk_artist profile image78
          pjk_artistposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Vollieman said:

          snip
          Just as we include an instruction manual along with our creative endeavours, so our God gave us an instruction manual also,

          PJK: I'm glad somebody else understands this truth. Even more so is it an instruction manual on how we can use the power of Jesus Christ which exists only within us. How we can use this power to become Kings. This power is naught but our imagination.

          Vollieman said:
          Very few Christians seem to have been taught this, or they fail to understand. this clear teaching of Jesus.

          PJK: I'm not sure you understand either.

          Vollieman said:
          Essentially He came to deliver a message, but knew that mankind would not, except in the minority, believe Him and would conspire to kill Him. He accepted this fate as the only way man could be reconciled with our God, His sinless life as the only acceptable sacrifice for a sinful creation to accept His paying the death penalty for us. The wages of sin is death, and that penalty must be paid, and it is an eternal death spoken of here, so only God Himself could make a substitutional death penalty for us.

          PJK: Vollie its all allegorical. He was not some unique man from history. He exists eternally in every man waiting to be re-born. The only death was the death of God when he entered us. Like a seed. A seed personified as Jesus Christ in the bible.

          Vollieman said:
          This is where Jesus and His message, found in the Judeo-Christian Scriptures is entirely unique, all the others are imposters or the delusions of man.

          PJK: Its all a part of the play God's dreaming. Scripture describes every part of the play we may enter.

          1. the pink umbrella profile image81
            the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, the scripture says absolutly nothing about being born with both penis and vagina...and thats a serious inner and outer confliction that one would need guidance for. Not me people... But what about those people?

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Jesus prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH; whom he describes sometimes as God- the Father; and he used medicines to cure the diseases; this is the source of his signs he performed with the will of the Creator-God Allah YHWH

    Thanks

  11. Apostle Jack profile image60
    Apostle Jackposted 6 years ago

    You are so right in beliving that Christ is not God.As it is written:He that is sent is not greater than He that sent him.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      and he killed himself. smile

  12. cheaptrick profile image74
    cheaptrickposted 6 years ago

    What is God made of?....Everything?...Even Bad things?...Or Dirty things?
    I've heard folks say that Jesus was God Incarnate...Is that true?...If so then when Jesus prayed to the father...Was he talking to him self...
    I am not an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim...I'm a Heretic...

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes he was talking to his inner or higher self.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this



      Jesus was only a son of Adam/man; though he was born of Mary and had no father.

      That does not make him god since Adam, as per Bible, was without a father or mother. If being without a father could make Jesus a god or a son of god; then Adam must be Christian-double-god.

      Thanks

  13. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    A thinking out loud again.

      What if ???  Another way of saying the same thing.
      Something like a young child would have described it after she heard and saw it.

      Not yet!! 
    Jesus is a spirit  Right!!  (That is scriptural?)
     
            Now it's her turn.
      She said that "A spirit came over here from over there .. someplace?

      She said that ...  "He said, Yaul quit complaining !!!
    When you quit liking it over here ...  All ya gotta do is come outa here by going through the door over HERE.

      And he went through the door just to show us that it don't hurt    ..  so we wouldn't too be scared to follow.

      She then said, "He said a lot of other stuff .... But that is all that I remember.

  14. thirdmillenium profile image60
    thirdmilleniumposted 6 years ago

    Allah is a corruption of Yahwe, the real God

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Allah YHWH are the same; you may check with the Jews; only Jesus is no god and has never been.

    1. thirdmillenium profile image60
      thirdmilleniumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus is not God yes, but I am not sure about your tone.
      And, Jesus came down to Earth for the sake of sinners like  you and I. Mohammed did not. He was just another man

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus did not come from another planet; he was born here on this planet Earth; he was born of Mary; so he was just a man as he himself admitted.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Please elaborate

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Jesus was only a son of Adam/man; though he was born of Mary and had no father.

    That does not make him god since Adam, as per Bible, was without a father or mother. If being without a father could make Jesus a god or a son of god; then Adam must be Christian-double-god.

    Jesus knew it very well; that is why he prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH, whom he used describe as Father-God Allah YHWH when he was put on the Cross.

    1. libby101a profile image60
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That makes no sense... being without a father comparison... we already know why Adam had no Father... he was created... why does Jesus not have a Father Paarsurrey??? Because he was the son of God! Adam had no father because he was created by God!

      Jesus prayed to his Father... he knew he had a heavy burden ahead of him!

      Mohammad was a prophet... Jesus was the son of God! Mohammad was a man who claimed he had a visit from an angel(no witnesses)... he copied most of what is written in your bible Paarsurrey.. then he added his version! He was merely a man who claimed things! Jesus was the son of God who came from heaven in human form and was born to the virgin Mary. He died on the cross. He was not saved from the cross! That's mohammad's version! Once a man, whoever he is, is on the cross he dies. Nobody came down from a crucifixion unless they were dead!

      Mohammad was the prophet... a false prophet who claimed things!

      No offense... but I try not to dispute other religions but you keep saying Jesus is merely a prophet which is putting down the Christian's religion! You might as well stop posting that you are peaceful at the end of your posts because the truth is in most of your posts you talk about Jesus is not the son of God and he is only a prophet! And you get all this from a man who claims to have had a vision! I will believe Jesus is the son of God over a man who claimed to see an angel who had NO witnesses!

      1. libby101a profile image60
        libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And Jesus did not use any medicines... that is from Muhommads stories! Mohammad sure had an imagination! Did anyone but Mohammad witness any of these false teachings?

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If Bible failed to mention that Adam had no father and mother; that is the mistake of the Bible. Human beings existed before Adam; he was  the figure head of a new era and he received Word of Revelation/Guidance from the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

        1. chubatemjen profile image60
          chubatemjenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          He lived and Walked with men...before His resurrection.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Adam died a natural and peaceful death and was not resurrected; the same was as did Jesus; he was never resurrected but died a natural and peaceful death and is buried at Mohallah Khanyar, Srinagar, Kashmir, India.

            The resurrection tale is fabricated by Paul and the Church.

            1. DevLin profile image60
              DevLinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You understand the term whack job?

              @TMMason- You're getting better with your debating skills.

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                We are just discussing things in search of Truth.

                Everybody is free to believe whatever one thinks to be true; no compulsion in matters of faith/religion.

                1. DevLin profile image60
                  DevLinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Except you. You state all you post is fact. It's all based on the rantings of a man in power claiming to be the messiah reincarnated. If he hadn't been in power, he would've been committed. Fortunately, he took the peaceful aspects of the Qur'an and promoted it to his benefit. He was just another delusional religionist looking to leave a lagacy of being the most peaceful leader of any country. Those nervous breakdowns tend to make some look for their immortality.

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Whatever I write or state is my opinion and what I sincerely believe in; it is fact if it is truthful otherwise not. I don't proclaim anything; I am an ordinary person on truthful path; and most eager for still more truth whereever from it may come. Please don't believe me if you are not convinced with me heart and soul. You or anybody else could always convince me with reasonable , rational and brilliant arguments. Most welcome

        2. libby101a profile image60
          libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The Bible did not fail in saying Adam had no Mother and Father... we knew he didn't have one because God himself created him!

          I believe that you do truly believe in the Qu'ran and what Muhammad had to say! But I think you are wrong! Muhammad was not a true prophet, not of God anyway! True prophets called by God do miracles thus to prove to the people they are a true prophet! For example: Moses! He was called by God himself in the burning bush! And he did many miracles! God never, every sent an angel to call a prophet! There is so much more to discredit Muhammad! He had motives for his so called visit from the angel Gabriel! No witnesses except his wife who never saw the angel... she only said the invisible angel that she could not see was not evil because Muhammad told her he stayed until she showed her private parts... Very convincing... an invisible angel left when she revealed her privates!
          You say you are eager to learn more truth where ever it may come from.... Muhammad married a 6 yr old baby! Then had sex with her when she was only 9 yrs old! That is not a prophet of God. That is sickening and perverted! He also took 14 wives after his first wife died... yet the Qu'ran clearly states that a man can only have up to 4 wives... he thought of himeself better than his own people!

          He was not peaceful either! He faught his way intot the meccan peolple killing many to force the Qu'ran on them! Not very peaceful to me!


          Jesus is the turth, the light, and the way! Jesus is the true son of God! He performed miracles! He died on the cross... nobody saved him from it! That's Muhammad's tale! I don't put my trust in a man such as him!

          God Bless!

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Do you believe the following?:

            The Angel Gabriel Spoke to Mary

            Gabriel told Mary that she is going to have a baby, and to call him Jesus. Also that Elizabeth her cousin is six months pregnant.
            Gabriel in Hebrew means: God is mighty.
            Luke

            Mathew

            Luke 1:26-38
            The Birth of Jesus Foretold

            26 In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee,27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.28The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."
            29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be.30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God.31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."
            34 "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"
            35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month.37 For nothing is impossible with God."
            38 "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.

            http://www.birthofjesus.orconhosting.ne … Angel.html

            Did Mary had a witness of the above? If, yes; who was the witness?

            Thanks

            1. libby101a profile image60
              libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Mary did not self proclaim herself to be a prophet! Muhammad did! With Prophets of God it was manifested in miracles for proof! Where is Muhammad's miracles like Moses's miracles?

              Thanks

              1. marty1968 profile image61
                marty1968posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hey libby can you check on your facebook page

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                So you agree that there is nothing wrong with Gabriel coming with a truthful Word of Revelation and it needs no further witnessing as happened in case of Mary. Mary did not doubt Angel Gabriel when he foretold of birth of Jesus.There was no other witness; and lo Jesus was born.

                Is your first point well-answered, and understood by you?

                Then we will discuss your second point.

                1. libby101a profile image60
                  libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No Paarsurrey! My point is a prophet is called by God and visited by God...as was Moses in the burning bush! Mary was not called to be a prophet so she was visited by just an angel! God comes to prophets to call them, not an angel!

                  No I don't agree that the angel Gabriel brought revelation to Mohammad! I think Mohammad was visited by something NOT of God! I think he didn't know how to read or write and could not search the sprictures to realize the difference!

                  When a true angel of God visits someone they are clearly scared at first... but never did an angel leave the person upset. They always calmed the person down and put the fears to rest! But Muhammad's wife had to calm him because he was so scared he was still shaking! That is not God... that is something evil!

                  I think Muhammad was indeed visited by an angel... but not an angel of God! A prophet of God does not marry a six yr old little girl then have sex with her at 9. I'm sorry but you can judge a tree by the fruit it bares! Muhammad's wife died and he went on and married 14 women! When he instructed the people throught he qu'ran to only marry 1-4 women! In Moses time they took extra wives like this... Then Mohammad talked his step son into marrying a young lady... then later Muhammad sees her in her bedroom and can see her form and lusts after her... but doens't have sex with her... but tells his step son... and his step son divorced this young lady so that Muhammad can marry her! Moses allowed divorce but God told Moses that was not so since the beginning but because of the hardness of their hearts he allowed it... allowing and instrucing is two totally different things! God is not going to tell Moses it was not so then instruct Muhammad that the people should divorce. And have 1-4 wives and then tell Muhammad he could have 14 wives... and then marry a 6 yr old little girl! I dont' think any of this is God!

                  I seriously think Muhammad was truly a FALSE prophet! And he has led many people astray! You should read more on Muhammad's life and understand the man behind the whole ordeal!

                  You say he was peaceful and say he never pushed war... but the truth is he pushed his way into the Meccan people and forced them by war to accept the Qu'ran! That was the whole purpose of the war! He was not being denied freedom of religion as you describe.. he was forcing others to take on the qu'ran and rid of anything else! The Meccans thought Muhammad was a false prophet because he could NOT perform miracles as was told to them about true prophets in the Torrah. And the manner to which he was called the knew he was a fake... so they were not accepting his qu'ran... but they were forced to by war!

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I think you have misunderstood the Bible.The Creator-God Allah YHWH is only attributive; He never comes to anybody in person. Your concept of God is very limited; a bush was enough to accommodate your god, perhaps you think.

                    The Creator-God Allah YHWH lit the bush only and Moses got dazzled by the light.

                    Exodus 3
                    Moses and the Burning Bush

                    1 Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the desert and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, "I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up."
                    4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, "Moses! Moses!"
                          And Moses said, "Here I am."

                    5 "Do not come any closer," God said. "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground." 6 Then he said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob." At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

                    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se … ersion=NIV

                    The Creator-God Allah YHWH lit the bush as a sign and only conversed with Moses.

                    Please rectify your understanding of the Bible.

  17. Never_Forget profile image60
    Never_Forgetposted 6 years ago

    Haven't any of you people watched Zeitgeist yet?

    What is up with religion and this forum, seriously...

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Is it a discussion forum? Do they allow discussion on their concepts?

  18. Never_Forget profile image60
    Never_Forgetposted 6 years ago

    Searching for the truth is a lost cause. People have been searching for the truth for thousands of years with no luck. We are like ants. Ants don't know that they are such a small organism surrounded by a vast universe of other, more intelligent lifeforms. How can we expect to be able to fathom an omnipotent and omniscient creator with our feeble minds that can't even remember something from 20 years ago in most cases.

    The truth is that life is precious and you should live it to the fullest. Don't waste your days searching for answers that are not meant to be provided. Live your life and follow the golden rule. Treat others how you want to be treated, stay positive, and enjoy life. It makes no sense to waste your time on earth worshipping something that you can't even be certain exists for fear of being eternally punished if you don't.

    PS.

    My comment about Zeitgeist earlier was a joke. Please do not watch that movie it's filled with BS and half-truths.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That is why the Atheists Skeptics Agnostics could not find Him ; the Creator-God Allah YHWH says that no eyes could see Him; it is He Himself who comes near to one's inner eyes that one sees Him.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        LOLOLOL

        Yet U now wot god sed? lol Did wot Adam is wot innit?

        Woz adam a monkey?

      2. Never_Forget profile image60
        Never_Forgetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was religious all my life up until about 3 years ago when I finally grew up and realized that faith is something that humans are extremely good with.

        The human brain is capable of producing so much faith that it is literally possible to make yourself believe in anything you set your mind to. Don't you think it's odd that everyone who has a religion is too stubborn to admit they could be wrong?

        Is it a coincidence that a Christian is just as sure of their God as you are of yours? I think not. It's physiology. It's all in your head.

        The fact is anyone can "see their inner God" without having religion in their lives. I am agnostic and I have no idea what created me, nor do I think it even matters in life. I know that this life is precious and I know the difference between right and wrong and do the right thing as much as possible. I go out of my way to help people whenever possible. I never let the negatives outweigh the positives.

        I am a very spiritual person, and I can plainly see the inner God in myself without having to label it. We all have inner Gods and the name or background story behind it is irrelevant. You are missing the whole point of life.

        "Ego", "pride" or "vainglory" are 1 of the 7 deadly sins, correct? Well, get this. Having a religion that you believe to be the "only one" automatically causes you to violate this deadly sin. That's a bit of a weird catch 22 don't you think?

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don’t want to confuse you. It is good that you help people.

          Would you please tell me what is right and what is not right? How do you know as to what you know is right, is in fact right; and what you think is wrong is in fact wrong? How do you measure it?

          1. Never_Forget profile image60
            Never_Forgetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Moral laws, don't kill rape steal or maliciously decieve etc.. Every society has had them all across the world even though they never had any contact with each other. Maybe it's instinct? Maybe this instinct is something given to us by our creators? Who knows...that's the point :-)

            To be more specific...positive and negative energy is everywhere in life from molecules to earth itself. The existence and prominence of positive and negative energy are what allow "right" and "wrong" to exist naturally.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Jesus prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH; whom he describes sometimes as God- the Father; and he used medicines to cure the diseases; this is the source of his signs he performed with the will of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

    This is the essence of Jesus teachings and his person.

  20. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    the simple fact is Mohammed was never a messenger from God the Bible was written over many centuries by many people, the Quran was written by one man in his own life time, he took from the old and new testerments and tried to make it his own. He told you that you can only have 4 wives but he had 14. He took a 6 year old CHILD and had SEX when that CHILD who was only 9 and Mohammed was 55years old ( or there abouts), that is so sick , NO MAN OF GOD, just a dirty old man PERIOD. Mohammed never was anything to do with GOD he was pure pagen, and Islam still preaches HATE PERIOD Remember Mohammed never  was and never will be a man of God except in his own mind. And there is no such person as a peacefull Muslim.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Just quote one passage from NT Bible which has been exactly copied in Quran.

      1. libby101a profile image60
        libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's not be exactly copied! Muhammad couldn't remember half of the stories in the Torah... he couldn't read or write... he was going to memory of what he had heard! This is why there are so much that doesn't agree with the bible!

        And the NT is another story! Muhammad wanted people to believe that Jesus did not die on the cross! So, of course, he made the NT out to be false! His reasons behind this was simple! He tried to convince all religions in his day that he was a true prophet of God... nobody believed him. They knew he was a fake. As long as Jesus was known as the son of God by the Jews he could not persuade the Jews... so he changed the story to suit his needs just like he would change laws in the Qu'ran if he wanted a specific woman or booty. Muhammad was a conman!

        1. libby101a profile image60
          libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I meant christians above, not jews!

          1. libby101a profile image60
            libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            He could not persuade the christians or the Jews! And to keep his followers from knowing the truth... all throughout the Qu'ran you will see his hatred of Jews and christians!  He hated them for not buying his lies!

        2. pisean282311 profile image59
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          well i dont think muhammad was conman..He was very very sincere..He believed in what he preached...Whether what he preached was true or false is different story...but a conman wont risk his life and live in desert for 10+ years without hope of ever succeeding...so he was sincere but as i said what he preached was true or false is different story

          1. libby101a profile image60
            libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I don't know Pisean! I would be eager to accept what you say if he hadn't used the Qu'ran and his status as "prophet" to get his own sexual desires and booty from war! If he truly feared Allah he wouldn't have did this!

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              This is misinformation;please see the roots

            2. pisean282311 profile image59
              pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              @libby101a well you are right from where you see..if someone comes up and says that a 54 year old got married to some 6 or 9 year old kid..it is shocking as per current standards...there is no element of doubt about it ...But we can't judge a man who lived 1400 years ago with standards of 2010..that wont be fair ..now my point is not defending muhammad and what he did..my point is what he did was what he believed in..he didnt fool people , he actually believed that what he was doing was right thing and he was guided by some angel..so his premise was not fooling people...he sincerely considered himself to be prophet...now whether gabriel actually visited..whether it was gabriel at first place..whether muhammad received divine guidance as claimed...was muhammad actually a prophet..these all things are debatable..for muslims he is prophet ..for christians he is not...

              now for jew christ is false prophet..does that make christ a con man?..f

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't agree with you. Except for a minority of radicals majority of Muslims is peaceful since the root teachings in Quran are peaceful, humane, reasonable and rational; and above all full of wisdom.

  21. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    The Quran teaches if there is a earlier peacefull verse and a later more violent verse , the later verse superseeds the former. So it is not radical muslims changing the rules. The Quran commands them to.Mohamed hated jews christians any body that did not accept Mohammed as a messenger of God. Mohammed was and never will be a messenger of my God. PERIOD. Wake up Christians Mohammed and Islam want to destroy you, your faith, your way of life. And Mohammed lied to his own people, ....... you are commanded to ONLY have 4 wives......... but I Mohammed can have 14 wives............ Islam explain that?

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Please quote the text of the verse of Quran with  some verses preceding and some verses following for the context; and then establish the correctness of your viewpoint.

      1. andycool profile image70
        andycoolposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Just stop talking nonsense and stop quoting! You're a fanatic and need to be treated. Quoting from the Holy Koran does prove nothing about your depth in the subject and your intellectual ability.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Jesus Prays in Gethsemane (Mark 14:32-42)

    32 And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray. 33 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy; 34 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
    35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. 36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
    37 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour? 38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak. 39 And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same words. 40 And when he returned, he found them asleep again, (for their eyes were heavy,) neither wist they what to answer him.
    41 And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise up, let us go; lo, he that betrayeth me is at hand.

    http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospel … ark14h.htm

  23. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    if I have quoted the quran wrong prove it? andy cool I just quoted the quran if I have quoted wrong prove me wrong do not insult me with your unproven words did I hit a raw nerve I guess it upset you andycool the truth dose that, and your only comeback is insults no facts just insults, old saying if wrong prove it, can you?. Who is the fanatic,? I'n not I just belive in the Bible as THE ONLY WORD OF GOD, after all Jesus said " you shall have NO other God's except me" Jesus died on the cross to save us all , even you. paarsurrey again I say to you if I have quoted wrong prove me wrong. It is not up to me to prove I am right if you disagree then then is what you belive, if you are upset by my words then as I said eirlier prove me wrong, simple.
    also answer why you can only have 4 wives and Mohammed can have 14? or is this a blog were only the bible can be quoted, and misquoted, I am starting to think that this is the case, I am Catholic I belive that my Lord Jesus Christ never prayed to allah or any lessor God Jesus prayed to the Father PERIOD. Jesus never used meds , Jesus did not have to. Again I say to you if I am wrong prove me wrong. There is no passage in the Holy Bible that mentions Mohammed or Allah , if you think  there is produce it so we all can see it, if not then do not say what you cannot prove about the Bible.
    I have to say this no person that was crucifed ever came down from the cross alive, it just never happened, the Roman Gards made sure you were DEAD But I guess andycool you can only insult, that is ok because you know no better, and you do not upset me because as a Catholic I fogive you.
    'abba ( O father) all things ............................. Mark 14 36 . All I know about the Quran was told to me by a arabic Muslim cleric after all it is Muslims that say the Quran cannot be translated, so I asked and was told. Is this Cleric also speaking 'nonsence' with poor abilities? I think not.! After hearing everything the Cleric said I was sure that Islam was not to me A peacefull faith, to me Islam is not a true faith. That is what I think and it was said without insults to Islam, we are adults we can make up our own minds with out insults andycool now guess you will tell me that the Cleric was also a fanitic and speaking nonsence and had no depth of what is in the Quran?????
    I am getting so tired of hearing Jesus did not die on the cross, that Jesus died in India, I say this is a INSULT to all Christians and CAN NOT BE PROVEN, so please stop the lies and insults.
    Jesus prayed to God the FATHER ( no other Gods)
    Jesus died on the cross PERIOD
    Jesus is one facet of the holy Trinty ( Father Son Holy Spirit)
    Jesus said ' I am the way the truth and the light'
    Jesus said 'you shall follow no other Gods except me"
    The Holy Bible was written by many over a verry long time, the Bible has stood the test of time.
    The Quran was writen by one man (who claimed to be a prophert) who also could NOT read or write, but wrote the Quran in his own life time.
    The bible writen by many'
    The quran written by 1 only.
    think about that 1 man against many , who do you think was right?

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I requested the reference chapter/verse, please

      Thanks

      1. skipper112 profile image60
        skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        As I explained I do not speak Arabic the Quran was explained to me by a Islamic Cleric so I cannot give you what you ask for. As you know the Quran I think you can find what I have said if you look. But I will ask next time I talk to him to give me references. Also will you answer my question how can Mohammed have 14 wives when his Quran says only 4 wives, how can this be?

    2. skipper112 profile image60
      skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jeasus did not say" you shall follow no other Gods except me" that was God the father.
      Jesus did say 'I am in the father and the father is in me"

  24. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    I am still waiting for a answer How can Mohammed have 14 wives, but the Quran says you may only have 4 wives? How is this, it looks like Mohammed is not bound by his own Quran, and he wrote it.I think it strange please explain that to me?

    One more thing  YHWH is Jewish not Christian so Jesus never prayed to YHWH.
    Jesus prayed to the Father only.
    Jesus preformed many miracles,whitnessed by many.
    Just give me one miracle preformed by Mohammed, JUST ONE??
    I still say there is not one peacefull muslim even you only atack Jesus, you atack the bible, yet get upset if the Quran is questioned, old saying my friend " what is good for the goose is good for the gander" you demand chapter and verse yet do not give references to your attacks on Jesus or the Holy Bible.
    FACT Jesus died on the Cross.
    FACT. Jesus is not buried in India THAT IS TOTALLY FALSE AND INSULTING TO ALL CHRISTIANS.
    FACT Jesus only prayed to The Father PERIOD
    FACT It is only Mohammed that tried to say Jesus did not die on the cross, but like everything from Mohammed no one else saw this we only have Mohammeds word for this, every body accepts Jesus died on the cross except Mohammed think I'll belive the truth Jesus died on the cross. PERIOD
    TM Mason said the truth 2 months ago and you still atack Jesus and the Holy Bible I think you are very unsure of your faith.

  25. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    I think your question has been answered Jesus only prayed to God the Father not Allah or YHWA or any other lessor God only the Father. Can you accept this simple truth?

    1. libby101a profile image60
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree skipper! I think a lot of Muslims have been fooled by a man many, many years ago! I think Paarsurrey needs to stop putting down Christians and start reading up!

      I don't normally talk about another religion, but geeze! All I see is Paarsurrey's nonsense that Jesus didn't die on the cross or jesus is just a prophet and it is insulting! If he is "peaceful" then why does he do this? I know he realizes it is going to anger christians!!!

      1. pisean282311 profile image59
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        well muslims respect jesus..they wont call jesus names..but their concept doesnot allow them to view christ as god...muslims cannot insult christ because christ is very very important figure in their religion too..He is also called prophet...

        1. libby101a profile image60
          libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I realize what you are saying... but you realize to the Christians saying Jesus was just a prophet is very insulting! And to keep running it in the ground by posting new threads over and over knowing you are insulting Christians is not using respect! And he knows it's insulting because I have told him and so has others!

          He just keeps posting things like "Jesus did not die on the cross" and on and on....

          I think if you are going to put "peaceful" in your signature then you should live by that code! Stirring up strife is not peaceful!!

          1. pisean282311 profile image59
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            his purpose is not insulting but slowly getting people out here and outside here..adhering to what he believes...

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You are very right. On the other hand we Muslims believe it is the Christians who insult Jesus by saying he was a god while he was no god; he created nothing, everything remained the same, they eulogize him out of proportion.

          Anyway it is an argumentive thing

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image84
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            don't argue with metaphors... we respect the notion that a meteor is worth making a temple over.

  26. Morson profile image59
    Morsonposted 6 years ago

    You are an Ahmadi and Ahmadis are not Muslims because you believe in Muhammad as final Prophet of God and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was not the messiah or Jesus and when TRUE Jesus will arrive he will not take any new shariah with him.

  27. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    I belive your 1st statement has been answered, so unless you have more insults, it is over. God bless

    1. skipper112 profile image60
      skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sorry pisean he shows Jesus no respect he tells us Jesus did not die on the cross, he says Jesus is just a prophet, he insults Jesus , he insults christ, ( Christ was just  a prophet) he insults the Holy Bible that only proves what I said  that there is not such person as  a peacefull Muslin, he knows full well he is insulting, and cares not.
      Parrasurey you know you are insulting you don't care, you can only insult, you cannot answer any questions about Mohammed, like why can he have 14 wives and 'his' Quran said you can only have 4 wives? Who was the 'angel' who he saw in his 'Vision' that only left after he saw Mohammeds wifes  'private parts'  ? Not a angel of God that's 4 sure. Why did Mohammed marry a 6 year old CHILD and have sex when that CHILD was 9 years old? Gee I have been told by Muslims that girls mature quicked in the 'heat' of the desert, That I do not belive. What is your answer Parrasurey? THAT IS IF YOU WILL ANSWER??????

  28. jay_kumar_07 profile image60
    jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago

    jesus never prayed in cross to god to save himself. He already handover himself to gods faver at garden prayer.

    Thenonly the blood scattering started.PILOT and his people are not done anything.He prayed for the people because he knows the automatic scattering of his blood.

    His blood scattered and drained.He came out from tomb  as like lazarus and met some people and left.

    But he was waiting for some miracle in cross.He realise himself only on SUNDAY morning.
    He wants to show himself to somebody and did.

    1. jay_kumar_07 profile image60
      jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      pl any guide

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The only sentence in Bible which Jesus spoke in Hebrew on the Cross and is recorded in the Gospels; denotes it:

      Matthew  27:46

      [46] And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [47] And some that stood there and heard, said: This man calleth Elias. [48] And immediately one of them running took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar; and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. [49] And the others said: Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to deliver him. [50] And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

      http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47027.htm

  29. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    Guess this blog is over,???

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Jesus could do nothing except with the help of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; of himself he was helpless; as Jesus showed to be on the Cross.

    1. pisean282311 profile image59
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      jesus is said to have done so many miracles..isn't it?

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        With the prayer to the Creator-God Allah YHWH and with His help; as Jesus was His prophet messenger; and he helps the prophets messengers.

        1. skipper112 profile image60
          skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Paar go start another blog ( as you always do ) you have lost this one!!!! as you always lose.........................

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Quran does mention that Jesus with the commandment of the Creator-God Allah YHWH did show signs and miracle; but the miracle and signs don't make one god or son of god.

        Moses showed mriracles; greater than Jesus; but Moses was not god or son of god.

        The Creator-God Allah YHWH created sun, moon, earth. What did Jesus create? Nothing

        1. skipper112 profile image60
          skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          which God do you follow paar ............ God (CHRISTIAN)..............Allah (MUSLIM).......YHWH ( JEWISH).....................
          Why do you quote 3 Gods can't make up yur mind Paar?

        2. libby101a profile image60
          libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Paarsurrey so Jesus performed miracles but Muhammad couldn't??? and you trust Muhammad over Jesus?

  31. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    paar answer this Question 'How can Mohammed have 14 wives, when the Quran ( word of Allah) says you can only have 4 wives??

    1. libby101a profile image60
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Because his God was made up! Therefore he made up his own rules as he went along! He used his status as a "prophet of God" to get what he wanted...booty and women!

  32. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    which God do you follow God (CHRISTIAN)    Allah (MUSLIM)         YHWH ( JEWISH) ?

    Do you follow all three or only one paar?

    well said Libby

  33. Master Life profile image59
    Master Lifeposted 6 years ago

    Jesus prayed to God the most high God (El Elyon).  Jesus prayed to the living God who is El Shaddai (Almighty God).

    1. skipper112 profile image60
      skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yes master life I want paar to have the 'GUTS' to answer a question

  34. skipper112 profile image60
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    paar why did Mohammed have over 14 wives and the Quran say only 1 to 4 WIVES?????
    paar why do you always quote God (CHRISTIAN) Allah ( MUSLUM) YHWH ( JEWISH) WHICH GOD DO YOU FOLLOW???
    paar do you belive in what you say , you quote 3 Gods, you are AFRAID to answer any QUESTIONS, untill you answer questions paar YOU CANNOT BE BELIVED you talk with WORDS YOU DO NOT BELIVE you QUOTE THREE GODS, MAKE UP YOUR MIND PAAR  ANSWER QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!

    GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD PAAR JESUS PRAYED TO GOD THE FATHER PERIOD WILL YOU EVER LEARN, JESUS NEVER WENT TO INDIA NOT EVER. YOU CAN NOT PROVE THAT, SO WAKE UP ANSWER QUESTIONS THEN WE MIGHT THINK YOU CAN BE BELIVED WE MIGHT BELIVE YOU ARE FAIR, MIGHT BELIVE YOU ARE HONEST

    WELL PAAR DO YOU HIDE OR ANSWER QUESTIONS!!! OR DO WE HAVE TO ASK A TRUE MUSLIM!!!!!!!

    1. Diane Inside profile image86
      Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Whoa, Skipper, You said a mouthful.

      Also just wondering what faith are you, I am Christian.

      1. skipper112 profile image60
        skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Diane, I am catholic and christian, you and I belive in Jesus Christ, and the Bible God bless

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Yes , Jesus did pray to the Creator- God Allah YHWH- whom he used to address as Father to save his life; Jesus prayed at the garden of Gethsemane and right on the Cross.

    Christians were not interested in saving his life they wanted to see him dead perhaps for the redemption of their sins; he requested them several time to pray for him like he himself was praying; but the Christians liked more to sleep than to pray.

    Were they justified in sleeping than praying?

    1. skipper112 profile image60
      skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      paar as you , as usual are uniformed and a Christian hater, I will enlighten you Jesus NEVER PRAYED to your God Allah. As usual you talk about something of which you are TOTALY UNIFORMED, You really only pick bits and pieces from the Bible to try and prove your uniformed  view's. You cannot understand the Bible because you only look for pieces to pick out of context, you do the same with the Quran. And you always answer anybodys post with a question. Paar Jesus did not use med;s Jesus never prayed to your God Allah, so take your Christian bashing and take a HIKE and take your UNIFORMED quotes with you ok.
      May My Lord Jesus Christ fogive your uniformed LIES.

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Who you? The captain of 'Heaven Bound" the flagship of God's cruise line?

        1. skipper112 profile image60
          skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Druid Dude,
          Nope just a Christian, who dislikes Paar's insults and double standards.
          He 'loves Jesus and Mary ' in the Quran, but Insult's Jesua and Mary in the Bible,double standard PERIOD
          as I said to paar,
          May my Lord Jesus Christ  fogive Paar for his unreasonable and untrue
          insults.

      2. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Funny how you accuse Parr of doing exactly the same thing as Christians. smile

        1. skipper112 profile image60
          skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Beelzedad,
          G'day 1st I do not hate Islam, I wish Islam was peacefull. Unfortanly Islam (in my mind) is far from PEACEFULL.
          I do get a bit upset and defenensive with paars illinformed and untrue attacke on Jesus the Christian Church and Christians in general.
          I truly belive that all religion's could live to-gether in PEACE, I truly belive if the terrorism Keeps up more war can result against the terrorist;s and that could lead to a world conflict, does Islam or any other Religion want this.
          Beelzedad, I am quite happy to discuse Religion with out insults, but paar ( a peacefull Muslim ) sure makes it  hard, as soon as a thread gets too hard , paar asks a question to answer a question or just leaves.
          God bless

 
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