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Mark Knowles-???-Who is this guy???

  1. nlogan profile image60
    nloganposted 6 years ago

    Is this guy on here to make christian people convert to whatever he is? I'm starting to think Satan has a laptop down there and Mark is the operator...Seriously...

    So my question is Mark, why do you even click on the christianity link....are you seeking something? Or you get laughs out of it?

    Mark what do you beleive in? If anything-here is your moment to shine! I really want to know your agenda---

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mark who?

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Who are you? Are you here to make atheist people convert to whatever you are?  I am starting to think Satan has a laptop down there and you are the operator...Seriously...

      So my question is to you, why do you even click on the Christianity link...are you seeking something?  Or you get laughs out of it?

      You, what do you believe in?  If anything-here is your moment to shine!  I really want to know your agenda---

      1. nlogan profile image60
        nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        yes, i am here to do exactly that!

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So it is okay for you but not for him?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUrrgBo9zEQ

          1. nlogan profile image60
            nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sandra-I dont bother him, or laugh at his beleifs! I have never insulted his beleifs,,, I just wanna understand what makes him come to religion forums and start havok? I'm glad to see he has a cheerleader in you....but please tell your boss to come chat,,,this forum is all for him!

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Psha!!!  Unlike your system of beliefs I don't have to stand behind a man to make a point. GO Team go! lol

              1. nlogan profile image60
                nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You need to do research-we respect our man as we do others, we're not behind them....

                Sandra-your time is over *ding* no more forum for you...u lost! lol

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                  sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Was that a threat?

          2. seanorjohn profile image80
            seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Mark is a good guy but he is very unhappy.Life has not been kind to him. Give him some time and space to reflect.

            1. Paradise7 profile image86
              Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You know, sean (or john), I kinda sensed that about Mark, a bitterness somewhere that comes from hardships or deep griefs in life...I hope he heals to the point where he can live and let live, very happily.

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              He seems pretty happy to me.

              1. seanorjohn profile image80
                seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                " seems" is the key word.He tries his best to mask his unhappiness.He is determined to get on with life but struggles to get through life.He is a decent man coping the best he can.

                1. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  If that's what you believe about Mark, then you obviously do not know Mark. wink lol lol

                  1. seanorjohn profile image80
                    seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    cags, I know I am usually flippant about things but I like to think the best of people and honestly Mark shouldn't be written off.

                2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
                  Maddie Ruudposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I had no idea we had so many psychologists on HubPages.  If we're having group therapy, I'd love to get in a good hour-long rant about people playing out their little neuroses in large scale on the internet.  Let me know.

                  1. frogdropping profile image86
                    frogdroppingposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                    Uffffff that'll be one the flies over many a head Maddie. A pity hmm

                3. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  While you, on the other hand, seem like a party down, wild and crazy, type of guy!  Fun is your forte!  Right?

                  1. seanorjohn profile image80
                    seanorjohnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yup, randy I am wild and crazy. How did you know? Last week Iwent to church and took communion twice just to get a bit more wine.That's the type of hell raising guy I am.

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                ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I would be pretty damn happy too if I was making over $100,000 a year on the internet!

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                  sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Zoinks!  *my eyes bugged out*

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                    ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I will just point out that I believe I have read this online, and am not disclosing information that he has told me in confidence. The problem is that I am now struggling to find the source, so I now doubt myself a little hmm

                    I hope that I am indeed correct... and I am now desperately looking for the source. The problem is that a google search on 'Mark Knowles $100,000' brings up a tennis player named Mark Knowles who played in a $100,000 charity event!!

    3. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A funny Christian trying to make an example of a non-believer. And this is what they each learn? Good job at learning. roll

      1. nlogan profile image60
        nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, I'm not making anyone an example, I just wanna know why he does what he does...and he can ask me the same...

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I said "trying", which leads to you calling him out in a forum like you have.

          I'm on similar ground with Mark, but we do go down different paths, on the greater picture.

          You come into a forum, with a chip on your shoulder, because if you have run into Mark before, then he has most likely shaken your faith and not so much insult you or be rude to you.

          It's your ego, just like the other religious folks, who are programmed by religious teachings. Yet, those who practice religious teachings, are not even practicing as they should be, solely due to their own ego.

          Those who are religious are SELFISH and have been for some time now. The first doctrine of all religions is to be 'selfless' in their life. It is unfortunate, when looked in the extreme, which everyone does, it only turns one into being selfish.

          A person trying to be selfless, will bend over backwards for anyone and everyone, up to the point, where they self-realize that they are being manipulated by others. After which, they will become SELFISH with their time and only help certain people.

          I'll leave it at that, but you're not in a position of strength, but in one of weakness. But, do enjoy. The show will be good.

          1. nlogan profile image60
            nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I have more strengh than you because I have God on my side! He has not shaken my faith at all!! I have posed a question about his decision to come on christian forums and abuse his right....

            Would a weak person even challenge someone with more popularity, I think not, but a follower like yourself wouldn't. 

            I challenge you, Cagsil to come play with team God, and get what I get! I'm not selfish because I want everyone to know the wonderful God I know---please look up meaning to words before you throw them out there! I would be less of a christian if I didn't spread his word!

            And with all your rude comments I still love you....smile

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If you have read my Hub on the subject, you would know that Team God (or God's Team) is the Toronto Maple Leafs.

              Cagsil, I invite you to look deep inside your heart and not only become a Christian (and it is important that you become a Greek Orthodox Christian like myself for it to really count), but also to become a Leaf fan

              1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
                SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Wow!...you got me Greek...i'm there too; and i'm moving to TO..where else is there to go?...in fact i'm moving downtown next to the AC centre.

                http://www.themagazine.ca/board/style_emoticons/default/hockey.gif

                1. Greek One profile image81
                  Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  you will be in a great location to watch the parade next spring!

                  1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
                    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    ...i know...you TO folks...have all the fun! 

                    http://philip.greenspun.com/images/pcd0155/gay-parade-20.4.jpg

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                DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol omg this thread is killing me!!!!!!

                1. Sufidreamer profile image82
                  Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Some threads call out to be hijacked and destroyed.

                  The Greeks are on the case - nobody destroys things better than Greeks. Time to start smashing plates big_smile

                  1. Greek One profile image81
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    we usually focus our efforts on national economies

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                    DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    yesss!!! I want to smash plates!

            2. Daniel Carter profile image92
              Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So many of us played with Team God, and realized the game was rigged from the beginning. But here's the interesting part: people like me just found out God is not anything like we were taught, although the universe is an amazing place. As to what it all means, I don't know.

              It's our experience with the spiritual, God, and the universe that teaches us, not relying on other what other people preach and teach. My experience says that God is nothing like I was taught. So I don't collect with believers. And I think Mark has it right. If you want to know the truth of anything, start questioning everything you thought you knew about it. Shake it up, and you'll suddenly see life and death like you never have before.

              You have a strange way of showing love by lashing out.

            3. psycheskinner profile image79
              psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "I have more strengh than you because I have God on my side!"

              Christian humility?

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mark Knowles is an Athiest, and is more than entitled to discuss his beliefs or opinions. As we all are.

      1. nlogan profile image60
        nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        He should start a Athiest forum, and I will be happen to say I won't ever come bother him!

        1. Greek One profile image81
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          have you checked out the forums about the peaceful spread of Islam?

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          How many times have other hubbers heard that line?

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I was going to start an atheist forum, but i just didn't believe I should..

            then I was going to start an agnostic forum, but I wasn't too sure about it

            1. Paradise7 profile image86
              Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Oh, go for it.  That way I get to count how many Christians that thrive on dissent visit it, and publish the results later in a hub that pisses  EVERYONE off!  big_smilebig_smilebig_smile

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                you realize you are not getting my subtle references to atheism and agnosticism, right?

                1. Paradise7 profile image86
                  Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I caught the "didn't believe" irony for the atheist forum...HAHAHA, I thought it was funny and didn't mean to blow it off; the uncertainty for the agnostic forum wasn't ironic to me:  I don't equate agnosticism with uncertainty.

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                sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry, that translated funny.  You just said that you want to count how many Christians thrive on descending to hell so you can publish results that piss everyone off!  lol

                1. Paradise7 profile image86
                  Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yeah, sorta.  You got it.  Though I don't think anybody descends to hell for whatever response they may give to a forum:  I really just wondered if the Christian people would be as curious about an atheist forum and what's going on there as Mark apparently is about Christian forums, which I really still wonder why, feeling as strongly as he does, he does NOT avoid like the plague.

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You could just search the forums for atheist threads  to get an idea.

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          ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So you want to make the Christianity forum exclusive only to those who share your exact beliefs?

          This forum is actually called 'Christianity, the Bible and Jesus'. Mark has read the bible, and is more than entitled to give his opinion on it accordingly. It doesn't say that you have to enjoy or follow the bible.

          You should perhaps bear in mind that Christians themselves often belong to different factions of the church and do not share the exact same beliefs as you. Different Christians have different perceptions of the messages in the bible. Just last week I watched Protestants and Catholics throwing missiles and petrol bombs at each other on the news.

          Mark was brought up as a Christian, in a Christian family, has attended church. He has as much right to complain about religion as you do of complaining about Starbucks if you do not enjoy a coffee.

          I am irreligious, should I leave this thread? Or do you only want responses from people that conform with your personal viewpoint? In other words 'Yes Men'...

          I would agree that Mark comes across a little too strong at times, but I would never wish for anybodies opinions to be stifled or silenced.

          1. Paradise7 profile image86
            Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No, no, I wouldn't stifle Mark's opinions.  I just wonder why he visits so persistently a topic that upsets him.  I'm more of an avoider than a confronter:  maybe that's why it seems strange to me.  Mark meets what upsets him head-on with guns blazing.  A difference in style.

            Here we all are, talking about Mark nineteen to the dozen, and I seem to notice he hasn't visited this thread.  Hope his feelings aren't hurt or something.

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              ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So does this mean that you are also the original poster, Nlogan? I was responding to the original poster, rather than anything that has been stated on here by you. Although it may well still apply, I haven't read the thread straight through.

          2. blondepoet profile image80
            blondepoetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That was so well said Ryan. smile

          3. nlogan profile image60
            nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No Ryankett I don't want to silence him, I want him to be respectful...

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              hahahahaha better chance to silence him

            2. Daniel Carter profile image92
              Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              There's a reality check: you "want" him to be respectful. But is that reality? Is he ever going to be "respectful" in the way you want him to be? And if not, how much more are you going to suffer because of that line of thinking? Is it worth it?

        4. psycheskinner profile image79
          psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Given how often the threat in the religious forum are about atheists, or gays or some other groups--do you serious expect the people involved to just ignore them?

    5. Marisa Wright profile image92
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No, Nlogan, but he objects to the Christians who try to convert people to whatever they are.

      The forums here are places to debate topics.  That means, places where everyone is entitled to express their views about the subject, for and against. 

      They are not intended as places to witness, or to preach one's beliefs.   If you want to discuss Christian topics with other Christians only, there are plenty of forums which are designed for that outside HubPages.

      Mark does go off the deep end sometimes, but if you'd seen some of the bigoted, closed-minded "religious" people he's battled with on these forums, you'd understand why he has a short fuse.

      1. efeyas profile image92
        efeyasposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thats exactly it if he has short fuse then why bother. It seems as thoughhe can't express his opinions without completely dibilitation those opinions of the other persons.

    6. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Really? You want to know huh? OK - I will help you out. Oh - and I only just noticed this thread - I am on GMT+1 and was asleep through a lot of the laughable psychoanalysis. Except for Shadesbreath and the Greek of course - they were bang on. lol

      "Know thyself" is one of my favorite maxims.

      I do find it entertaining that anyone who sees religion as an evil abomination (as I do) is automatically considered hateful and angry.

      The Christian religion - along with any other monotheistic barbarian religion belongs in the dark ages and - IMHO - is responsible for holding us back as a species. The teachings in the bible are our death knell.

      Go forth and multiply?
      The earth was created for man to use for his own purposes?
      A Chosen people?

      Herein lie the seeds of our self-destruction. Tribal thinking, guaranteed to cause conflict.

      The Christian religion is evil, forms the basis for Western Consumerism and Semantic legal systems and Governments that will eventually drown us all in conflicts -  perhaps even the "final conflict" that you all seem to be praying for.

      The Christian religion wiped out almost all knowledge during the Dark Ages - despite arguments against this. Most "witches" burned at the stake were educated women who could read. That was their crime - they could read.  What precious knowledge was the church destroying? We may never know. sad

      Christianity has been the cause/tool of the destruction of many other cultural groups, from the Cathars to the American Indian.

      The very idea that Christians are "saved" when all others are doomed is 100% guaranteed to cause a fight.

      This incessant need to "spread the word" is guaranteed to cause a fight.

      Your god does not exist. Your religion is evil and produces nothing but hatred and ill will. I will do my damnedest to argue against it until such times as we decide we can dispense with it. Then - maybe - we can sit down and take a look at the societies and values we create for ourselves and decide to make a change.

      Our governments are based on the same self-serving system that religion creates - and they are doing exactly what the churches taught them to do.

      Lets try teaching our children how to make ethical decisions for themselves - because they want to - not because the invisible Super daddy sez so. That does not work. Lets see if we can do it before we have hunted the last blue fin Tuna down for sushi and there are so many people on the planet we have no where left to go.

      You want to know what I think and look at some suggested alternatives?

      http://hubpages.com/hub/christians-on-hubpages
      http://hubpages.com/hub/Rational-Code-Ethics

      I despise this nationalistic/tribal thinking that your religions create. And I do not single Christians out - I happily say the same to anyone who tells me they have the truth spoken into their head by a invisible super being. There are just more of you here.

      Why is it a problem for you that some people think your religion is not a good thing? At least you can no longer burn me at the stake for doing so. wink

      Not interested in hearing that those were not "real" Christians. Sorry - they were.

      I hope that explains some.

      1. WryLilt profile image88
        WryLiltposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        *Claps* Mark you forgot about how most wars are started over religious differences.

      2. nlogan profile image60
        nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Mark, I think Rational-Code-Ethics is wonderful, but you don't follow that. It says:

        The Code
        1.Do not hurt, harm or abuse other people
        2.Do not force your will on other people
        3.Do not take what is not yours

        You have done all of these things, when you come to a christian forum and interupt it.  And there are plenty other codes you have broken but the first three are prolly the most important....


        I don't have a problem with your opinion but I do question the motives behind coming to find christianity forums and "burnin us at the stake". 

        If you don't agree then fine! But let's teach the children to value others opinion, and be respectful... You can't understand someone point of view if you come in with a negative attitude. And I challenge you to read the whole bible....

        I wouldn't be a good christian if I didn't try to save souls. I'm only doing what God has called me to do as a christian... Please respect that and others-thats all I ask.

        Proverbs 11:30 (King James Version)
        The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

        Ezekiel 3:18
        When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood.

        If I was you I would totally skip over the christianity forums, but instead you seem to get delight in confrontation....

        I thank you again for replying, I just wanted to know who Mark Knowles was,,, and it helped spread my agenda! smile Love u

        Natasha

        1. Greek One profile image81
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hold on there nlogan.... i called dibs on converting Mark!

        2. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You can't ask for respect when you don't offer any. To go about "saving souls" is not respectful to those you try to convert. In fact, it is quite disrespectful and very selfish as you are not interested in them personally but are only self serving to your ambitions. You are using them to forward your personal agenda.

          Be respectful by keeping your beliefs to yourself and you will gain the respect of others. smile

          1. nlogan profile image60
            nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Excuse me Beelzedad, you don't want me to post anymore christian forums---how dare you ask me such a thing?! and who is disrespectful now!

            Understand that I don't want to push anything on anyone,,,,I just wanna know why he disrupts christian forums-thats it! And yes if I did use him---it's only because God uses the unlikely to get his word across... only doing what I am suppose to do!

            So for you to say "keep my beleifs to myself" you must be talking to Mark also! READ your words carefully!

            1. lrohner profile image85
              lrohnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I can't take it anymore!  It's "BELIEFS"--ya get it? "BELIEFS". Remember "I before E except after C" and "'I' am the Lord your God. Thou shalt not have 'E's before me"???

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                aint that to trew!

                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL At least I can use a spel cheker. smile

                  1. Daniel Carter profile image92
                    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    All us gud kristians kan!

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                DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                oh, good one.  smile I always remember it that there is a "lie" in belief.

                also, an "end" in friend.  hmm thats wierd isnt it?

              3. Three-Legged Dog profile image80
                Three-Legged Dogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Can I get an 'AMEN'?!?!?!

            2. Beelzedad profile image61
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Where did I ask that of you? I never said that, did I?



              Yes, you do, you have admitted that is your calling.



              It's a discussion forum in which people may disagree with one another, that is the point of the forum. Why would you have a problem with others disagreeing with your beliefs?



              Exactly, so it is actually you who are being disruptive as it is you who is trying to convert people to your religion.



              No, I am talking to you. Mark would never have to say a word if it wasn't for Christians trying to convert in the first place. Converting is very disrespectful of others. You need to show respect before you get it. smile

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              pinkyleeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I don't respond much in these forums because of the crap people talk. Let me just say that you have not argued a very valid point nor have you stop to consider the other people on HP that frequent these types of threads and continuously bash those us us who are not of the same beliefs as you all who are " such devoted" Christians.

              Bee is simply telling you that bashing others or singling others out like you have done to Mark, is flat out disrespectful. Bee is right in the fact that you will not gain any respect like that.

              Each person on HP has a right to post where they want to because each person is different. Quite frankly trying to convert someone to believe in a spirit over the internet is such a crock of crap it ain't even funny.

              If you have a problem with someone keep it between the two of you by emailing that person. When you do crap like this is turns out to be like high school drama among adults.

              Just my thoughts on your actions

              1. nlogan profile image60
                nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                pinkylee, if he was to post something I didn't agree on, i would never go to that subject or even click on the link.....

                he has done this to a lot of forums, not just christianity, but I will definitely stand up for what I beleive...

                so if it's rude to ask publicly why he does this, then my apologies-anyway---it made good convo.... Yes I singled him out, but I didn't bash him....

                And God made the internet to spread the word, it wasn't on accident.

                1. Greek One profile image81
                  Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  i thought Al Gore made the internet?

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                    DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    the internet wasn't an accident? you learn soemthing every day.

                2. Daniel Carter profile image92
                  Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Most people think the internet is for porn. Only Al Gore thinks he made it. He thinks God put the idea in his head.

                  1. Misha profile image75
                    Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Didn't you know this is how God spreads the word? yikes

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                  DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I think he's standing up for what he believes. That simple.

            4. Sufidreamer profile image82
              Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Here lies the problem - there is no Christian forum here. This is an international writing site, which happens to have a forum attached. Here, people from all over the world can share ideas, debate, and question each other. If you open a thread here, it is going to attract people with different opinions.

              Ultimately, if you want a Christian forum to share ideas with like-minded people, without disruption, there are many out there, just as there are many forums for atheists/pagans/buddhists. There, the owners/moderators have the right to do as they please.

              Starting a personal passive-aggressive attack thread is a very low blow...despite your claims of 'loving people,' you have shown very little of that.

              @Greek: About saving Mark's soul - perhaps we could pickle it in Ouzo smile

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                a soul is an important thing Sufidreamer, but I'm not wasting my Ouzo #12 on anybody smile

                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Gentleman Jack please. It is sooooooo expensive here I am reduced to Pastis until such times as I make a gazillion. sad

                  1. Greek One profile image81
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    even though you are going to Hell Mark, I never thought you were a bad person (perhaps a reluctant mentor, but not a bad person) until now.

                    Preferring the product of inbred mountain folk over Crown Royal is beyond evil

                2. Sufidreamer profile image82
                  Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You drink Ouzo #12!?!

                  That is one bad Ouzo, man - far too sweet - I thought that you were a man of exquisite taste!

                  Don't worry, Mark - I am pretty sure that BDazzler has the preserving your soul with bourbon angle covered big_smile

                  EDIT: Great minds think alike, BD!

                  1. Greek One profile image81
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    until I make more that $5 in Adsense a month, I am drinking # 37

                  2. Daniel Carter profile image92
                    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Just get a shaman and Absolut and call me. That's preservation. Liquor up the shaman first, of course.

                3. Beelzedad profile image61
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry, but the best Ouzo I've ever had was on the Island of Ios, party capital of the world. smile

                  1. Greek One profile image81
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    did you meet a girl named Maria there too??

                  2. Sufidreamer profile image82
                    Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Try Lesvos - that is the home of great Ouzo. Barbagiannis Aphrodite (48% alcohol and a slow, delicious slide into eternal oblivion) is amazing stuff, although hard to find.

                    Mind you, I have never visited Ios, so might add it to the list of places to visit. smile

              2. BDazzler profile image84
                BDazzlerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                My strategy about promising him single barrel jack for eternity seems most promising.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It is certainly the most attractive offer so far. wink

            5. psycheskinner profile image79
              psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Um, i think it is you who needs to read more acrefully, and show me where he said "you don't want me to post anymore christian forums".  I think that might be more your agenda.

        3. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I do not value your opinion, nor do I respect it. Why should I? It is nonsense. Why would I teach children to lie about respecting ridiculous opinions from people who think a god is speaking to them? Please explain. I will happily teach them to respect your right to think whatever you like - but the actual opinion itself? What nonsense.

          Keen to know how expressing my distaste for your religion harms or abuses any one. Perhaps you could explain.

          Keen to know how expressing my opinion on your religion forces my will on anyone. Please explain.

          Keen to know how expressing my opinion on your religion takes anything from any one. Please explain.

          1. nlogan profile image60
            nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Your first sentence answered all your questions! Good Day Mark

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Dear me. You publicly accused me of harming and abusing other people, forcing my will on others, taking what is not mine:



              And then you demand that I respect your opinion? Why on earth should I respect this opinion? I would need a frontal lobotomy to respect this opinion. Or at least a bottle of Ouzo no 12. lol

              I asked you to show how I did any of these things - instead you ignore the questions and claim that you are taking this opportunity to force your opinion on others. The fact that you call it "saving souls for god" does not really change that.

              You are a perfect example of why I speak out about your religion.

              Plus - after calling me out in public - you did not even have the good grace to acknowledge or deal with anything I said other than to lie about loving me and pretend that you do not have a problem with my opinion.

              That is rude. sad

              You asked - I answered - you ignore what I said and claim that is being "respectful"?

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                ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Mark, completely irrelevant, and leaving the nutters behind for a second.

                If you had to 'label' yourself within a classification or group, e.g. athiesm. What would you call yourself?

                I have a current debate on this, in which I refute the label of 'athiest' and instead prefer to consider myself to have 'no religion'. What is your take on this?

                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The one and only reason I am labeled "atheist" is from an assumption that there is an invisible super being and anyone that does not agree needs a label. sad

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                    ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank you, and that is my very argument http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/48899 wink

                    I was called an 'athiest' so many times on here that I began to believe that I was an 'athiest'.

                    Now being called a liberal, that I am happy with. At least I would be happy with that if the American right wing didn't somehow oddly throw 'liberalism' in with the same pool as 'communism'.

                  2. Daniel Carter profile image92
                    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    And so your statement speaks volumes. I learned from your own comments, Mark, that you think for yourself, and are really not categorized or labeled very well at all. I think Ryan is similar, from observation.

                    Again, labels are a description, and the description is not a very good one in so many cases. Ultimately no matter how any of us are described, that description cannot contain us. We are not labels, but humans.

                    Likewise, I've read what Ryan has to say about this liberal/conservative stuff, and I don't think describing him as a liberal is all that accurate, and even he presses that at times.

                    Perhaps for lack of a better way to describe it, we are these labels to others, only for the sake of helping them identify with us, or identify us at all. But in the end, it's not really who we are, and so we get frustrated defending our right to be human and not a label.

              2. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                So - you are quite comfortable attacking me and then not bothering to respond?

                Sad really. No morals. None. sad

    7. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is respectful of Mark or anyone? Seriously...

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        if Satan does have a laptop, he probably bought it from....

        http://webstrategy.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/dell-hell.jpg

        1. Kangaroo_Jase profile image81
          Kangaroo_Jaseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hahahahahaha lollollollollollol

          EVIL INSIDE !!!!!

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          Home Girlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not from Hell, from Dell, hell came afterwards

          1. Daniel Carter profile image92
            Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            But the headline, "Mark Knowles goes to Dell" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You have completely MIS-read Marcus Knowles. Though I do not condone his percentage of condescending clauses, he is blunt and sometimes abrasive. But you have to understand what he is saying and to whom he is speaking -not to forget why he is. It's a challenge, but entertaining.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      wow 3 weeks and you know Mark that well.  Buzz off, I believe it is against the rules to start a thread like this against someone's beliefs or non beliefs, who are you, I happen to really respect Mark as a writer and have no judgement what he believes. 

      I really am in shock and yes I am reporting you for starting this thread, whether they close it or not I don't know.

      I haven't read through it, I hope Mark didn't see it or is ignoring it. 

      If not, Mark, just keep taking pictures maybe the OP would like a portrait?  Front view then side view, close up face shots?

      Cheers

  2. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    He is a condescending va***a as one of your colleagues once established and even devoted a hub to that. But then I was accused of the same lol

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You appear to be smirking in your last post, Misha!

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, as a devoted lesbian I sort of liked the language smile

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wow, Misha!  I have to say one thing for you, you cover all the angles!  LOL!

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          Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Brilliant!

    2. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Misha, what is a va***a?  I'm trying to think of something perjorative to fill in the blank and just coming up empty...

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        have some "gin" and think about it

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          Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Now that's just weird.  I was just slurping a gin when I read your reply.  Just wiping it off the monitor.

          1. Paradise7 profile image86
            Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Honey, I was into the red wine...that's worse, much worse, because it isn't clear!

            Still thinking about the va***a, I need a couple more letters, and yes, Greek One, I AM stupid!

      2. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        LOL Greek got it right - just replace the stars with what he suggested. smile

        1. Paradise7 profile image86
          Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, like duh, y'know I really AM stupid, except I can't think of a vagina as a BAD thing, eh???  Or a perjorative term.  C**t, on the otherhand, I would've got right off the bat.

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ask Maddie. I used it once on forums, and then she asked me not to use it any more. So I do smile

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Here kitty, kitty!

            2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
              Maddie Ruudposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, that was Jason.  Vagina is a perfectly viable word, as long as it is not used as an insult.  Not because there is anything wrong with vaginas, but precisely because there is not.  (See if you can work that one out.)

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                Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Brilliantly correct and confusing at the same time.  I love it.

              2. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                LOL I don't remember, for some reason I thought it was you. smile Now, you remember the case no doubt, you did moderate this hub - so am I allowed to use "condescending vagina" on the forums when I (occasionally, like here) recall the case? I am having really hard time trying to work this out tongue

            3. Paradise7 profile image86
              Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Ooopppss!

  3. Mrvoodoo profile image61
    Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago

    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/Images/groundhog_day.jpg

    1. myownworld profile image79
      myownworldposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      big_smile exactly!

      we seem to have them periodically here....

  4. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    A long, long time ago, Mark was once a very promising student of mine at a very prestigious seminary.

    He was a great learner and the had tremendous potential to become more that just your average spiritual leader.

    Unfortunately, being as he was very young, he was susceptible to forces that were, shall we say, from the 'dark side'.

    He eventually left the order and became one of the leaders of an opposing organization.  I remember vividly out last conversation... i cut off his limbs and left burning on that exploding planet

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this
      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        not much of a Star Wars fan, eh?

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          How did you get Star Wars out of a cuckoo clock?

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol.. i got star wars out of my original post

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Doh!  "The dark side".  lol

    2. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This was hilarious, dear Greek One!!!!  LMAO!

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        thank you, dear..

        and here my wife says i watch too many movies!!!

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    Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago

    Mark Knowels is a person entitled to his opinion.  As are we all.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Even us heathens?

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        Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Especially us heathens, LOL

    2. nlogan profile image60
      nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I can't value his opinions unless he explains himself,,,,give me a good reason to put up with rudeness! IT'S NOT ABOUT ME BEING CHRISTIAN AND HIM NOT! IT'S A RESPECT THING, I WOULD NEVER AND HAVE NEVER TALKED OR LAUGHED ABOUT HIS BELEIFS! If he beleives in making people lives miserable- then fine,,, but at least make it known and I can deal with him better...

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        what you are essentially describing is an online spouse

        1. myownworld profile image79
          myownworldposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

        2. Paradise7 profile image86
          Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yo!

    3. skyfire profile image73
      skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This.

  6. Paradise7 profile image86
    Paradise7posted 6 years ago

    Mark gets out of hand sometimes, at least a little bit, in the way he expresses himself on the religious forums.  I don't know why an atheist would so persistently visit a religious forum.  It makes no sense to me:  why is he even interested, why does it not bore him to tears, to constantly enter discussion of something he has absolutely no feeling for?  Very strange.  Some people thrive on arguments and disputes more than on amicable conversations.

    Aside from that, Mark is a very knowledgable and valuable addition to HubPages for his online expertise, and, what I most enjoy, his reviews of science fiction.  He's a very engaging and articulate writer.

    1. nlogan profile image60
      nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      But I have never enjoyed one of his writers because as soon as I see his name I run....I wish I could know more about him to understand why he does what he does,,,so maybe one day I can see past the comments and redicules... thanks paradise7

    2. Lita C. Malicdem profile image81
      Lita C. Malicdemposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      My first time to learn about this guy's bit of sad history. But i really enjoy his hubs and his banters at the religious forums. I have great respect for his opinions.

  7. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    What would be the point of even having a Religion Forum if not to invite spirited discussion between those of varying theological viewpoints?
    Of course, this is not to say that Mark Knowles is NOT the devil incarnate. However, I'm pretty sure, knowing his stance, he doesn't believe in Satan. Am I right?

    1. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL!  big_smilebig_smile  Mark'd get a bang outta THAT comment!

      1. Shadesbreath profile image90
        Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Probably believe in Satan before he would God.  At least there is evidence of Satan at work.

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      Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well he has a beard so he must be batting for team Satan.

  8. Shadesbreath profile image90
    Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago

    Mark is not Satan.  They were roommates for a while, but Satan couldn't hold his liquor so Mark kicked him out.

    1. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That just totally cracked me up!  I'm gonna check you out, Shadesbreath!

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Shadesbreath is very funny Paradise.. you have never checked him out?

        He does, of course, have weird theories about fetuses having sex, but that besides the point

      2. Shadesbreath profile image90
        Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well, now that I know you're checking me out, watch as I turn, seemingly at random and flex in the most astonishing yet subtle ways.


        And Greek One, that was one of the most fun debates I've had on HP. I wish I'd had more time that night to keep that one going. It's fun debating with a crazy, Hellenic marble face.

        1. Paradise7 profile image86
          Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Your "Ten Most Asked Questions" hub made me a fan for life!  I really did spill red wine all over the front, honey, you owe me a white shirt!  I just sprayed with laughter!

          No, Greek One, of course I feel like I've known and followed you forever but somehow I miseed Shadesbreath.  Lord love a duck!

  9. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Nlogan said:"No, I'm not making anyone an example, I just wanna know why he does what he does...and he can ask me the same..."

    I don't think any one of us is qualified to answer that on Mark's behalf. Well, maybe his learned mentor, Greek One.

  10. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Oh, so THAT'S what happened!!
    I recall reading a post of Mark's awhile back about his roommate wanting to do flaming shots 24/7. At the time I didn't understand.
    Thanks for the living situation update, Shadesbreath!

  11. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    NLogan,
    Chill out and put the gun down, lady!!

    It's bad form to SHOUT ON THE FORUMS!!! It's also bad form to SCREECH AND WHINE WITH POTSTS FIL UF TYPOES LIKE THE WORD BELEIVE (it's believe) and the word should be "people's" not "people.
    If you are going to demand respect, you have to command respect.
    Just a friendly tip...

    1. nlogan profile image60
      nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      well----again I'm being insulted for asking questions, and sorry I don't run spell check ---Im naturally a fast typer, but if that makes me a bad person=my apologies....mightymom

      if he can come on a forum-that I post and insult me and my beleifs what is the difference in asking his agenda??? I see you have picked a side, so your tips are unwanted....

      You have no idea of how I ignore him and never say anything back so I have already given respect-do your research mommy!

  12. blondepoet profile image80
    blondepoetposted 6 years ago

    He is a good cook I am still waiting for a dinner invitation

    http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a400/shishirou/Chef.jpg

    1. Kangaroo_Jase profile image81
      Kangaroo_Jaseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      HAHAHAHHA, nice BP, thats the exact response I got from my last date....except fortunately she didnt look like Dom Deluise....

  13. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Kathryn:
    "Well he has a beard so he must be batting for team Satan."

    That strikes me as a beardist remark. Are you beardist? Fess up!
    Might I remind you that JESUS also sported a beard?
    Although I've heard that post-resurrection he went with a more metrosexual soul patch smile

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      Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Dam, I am undone, I can't stand beards.  I am indeed beardist.  Thank you Mighty Mom for pointing out this fundamental predjudice.  Maybe we could start a forum where bearded people and non bearded people could come together and debate on such things as 'the goatee' a fashion statement or a hideous mistake.

  14. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Greek One:
    Not to worry. Us polytheists got you more than covered!

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You mean you believe in a God named Poly?

      1. Daniel Carter profile image92
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No Greek, not just Poly. It's Poly, Wally, and Doodle. Poly means *many*.
        wink

        1. Greek One profile image81
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          you mean from the Greek "poly" meaning "many"?

          That language is way too confusing for me

          smile

          1. Daniel Carter profile image92
            Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, it's definitely Greek to me....

  15. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Excuse me for trying to help you actually make some friends and supporters here on Hub Pages.
    Taking on Mark Knowles directly is not a very smart way to begin.
    Taking on Mark Knowles behind his back by complaining about him to others (he is actually quite well regarded) isn't very smart, either.

    And, believe it or not, how you express your opinions does matter. That includes using ALL CAPS strategically, in small doses, so you don't come off as shouting. It also includes reviewing your posts before you post them to make sure they're coherent. Hub Pages even makes editing easy -- you can unpublish and edit and republish again within 5 minutes. So there's really no excuse for multiple typos.

  16. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Greek One: Yes, My God is named Poly. Or, as he-she is better known here on HP, MISHA!

    Kathryn: Yes, I think that's a capital idea for a debate. Of course you realize, one of us will be forced to argue that being "bearded" is a sin. How are we gonna decide? Virtual rock,paper, scissors smile?

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      Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Haha! Hilarious.  Waking up every morning to find the 'sinful' beard has returned.  and that's just the women over 60!  Love these debates.

    2. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Awwwwwwwwwwww ♥

  17. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    This Forum and the Politics Forum are the deep end of Hub Pages. If you want to swim here, you have to be able to do more than tread water. Expect to get some water splashed in your face (and I don't mean baptism).

    If someone has a strong view on any aspect of Christianity, the Bible and Jesus, they are welcome to write a hub about it. There, they have more control over the comments.

    In the Forums, however, once you post a topic it's wide open and fair game for everyone. That includes Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Darwinists, Wiccans, Devil Worshippers, and yes, even Mark Knowles himself=)

  18. Deaconess profile image60
    Deaconessposted 6 years ago

    I thought I read somewhere, him saying that he is a Deist. If this is true, then he is not an atheist.

    Religious debate is healthy for one's spirituality. People shouldn't be afraid of or dismayed by it.

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He bows to FSM!

  19. Ohma profile image78
    Ohmaposted 6 years ago

    I would really like to know why every Christian with a beef singles out Mark. Yes he is an outspoken atheist but he is certainly not the only one posting here. Yes he can get a little aggressive but there are many that do.
    I think the good Christians must have a lottery each week to see whose turn it is to take cheap shots at Mark when he is not even around. Sad soooooooo sad!

  20. Mrvoodoo profile image61
    Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago

    Vagina.

    May I also post pictures? big_smile

    1. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, if you pop some penis pics in there, too.  (JUST KIDDING!) Or is "penis" and unacceptable word to use on the forums as well?  They're just body parts, great when they work.  Like eyes, arms, legs...so forth.

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        DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        HAHAHHHAHAAAA! "great ...when they work." I cant believe I missed all this yesterday. lol

  21. Paradise7 profile image86
    Paradise7posted 6 years ago

    Oh, come now, Mark singles out the Christians, first.  He really does agitate a lot on the Christian forums and has been known to start an argument where there once was none...

    I like Mark.  I like his writing style on the hubs.  He's a good writer. But we all must admit, he really goes over the top often on the religious forums, going out of his way to insult people that weren't previously hostile, or preaching...or doing anything that anyone but Mark, who is hypersensitive to all mention of the Christian outlook, could find exceptionable.

    I really don't know why he does this, why he visits so persistently those forums garunteed to get him in a high state of rage.

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      Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I hear what your saying.  However, sometimes when you are in the mood to participate on the forums, the bulk of the topics are religion related.  I know when this happens, we should post our own topics but sometimes it's just too tempting to dip in to the God slot.

      1. Paradise7 profile image86
        Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, I've dipped in the God slot myself, and dipped right back out again when it got a little toooooo crazy/hostile for my appetite.

        1. Mrvoodoo profile image61
          Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ^ Are you still talking about Vaginas here?

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            Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL. I'm sure it was just a slip of the tongue.  Dam, now I'm doing it.

          2. Paradise7 profile image86
            Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hooo ha!  Yes, God's a female, , and She is highly PO'd at anyone treating that lightly!  Boy, I'm walkin' near the edge tonight, aren't I?

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If that is what you fear, then most likely how you'll see it. wink

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              Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Nah, your doing great girl.  Keep up the good work!

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            DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            man meat, God slot..hahahahah

            holy beavis and butthead

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              i never stop talking about vaginas

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                DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                unless you stop to talk about crown royal.

                1. Greek One profile image81
                  Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  they both hit the spot smile

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think that we can all agree with that. BUT, when was the last time you saw him calling somebody out by name in the title of a forum thread?

      That is kind of low, and is precisely why I cannot condone this thread. If he is guilty of incitement, which he no doubt is, then the OP is guilty of the same to a higher degree.

      I have experience a thread with my name in the title, as a result of simply not agreeing with an opinion, made worse by the fact that the same poster also sent we threats of physical violence to my inbox and still frequents hubpages (go ahead and have a search if you wish).

      I feel it much more appropriate for Mark to be criticised in a direct response to one of his offending comments, on a forum thread that he chooses to participate in. In that scenario I would not feel the need to defend him or his character.

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        Kathryn LJposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well said.   I'm shocked that someone threatened you Ryankett, not really the spirit of Hubpages is it?.  This ganging up on individuals is fundamentally wrong. Oy you lot, leave Mark alone.  If he's not playing, he's not playing.  Also, the psychoanalysing him is a little weird people.  He's a big boy and can look after himself.  If your reading this Mark, I may not always agree with you but your remarks are always entertaining.

      2. Paradise7 profile image86
        Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You're probably right, Ryan, and that's probably why Mark hasn't shown up here.  It does seem, ah..very pointed.

  22. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I'm getting stupid again...

        I think that the origional post was asking;  why does Mark peeeeeeeee on every christian camp fire that he can find.


       Looks like he is driven ...   By what????

    1. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not stupid.  Jerami, I don't think anyone but Mark really knows why he does this, and he apparently doesn't want to answer the question.  I've been looking for Mark's response to all this for some time now, and he's not at home to this thread, I guess.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Guess he ain't     And I respect Marks right to have his opinion.    And in some ways he is right in my opinion concerning zellious, blind faith, don't know what is in the book but I worship it types.
           
            Faith in God is a personal thing.
             Maybe ???   god don't want to have a relationship with some people.
             I know that I am kinda like that.
             Some of them may be mad at me for that.
             But if they wern't so mad about that; maybe I'd like them more?????

        1. Paradise7 profile image86
          Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It was Ryan who pointed out to me that actually naming a particular hubber on this thread was like an attack on him, like trying to get people on HubPages to gang up on him....I really didn't think of this thread in those terms until Ryan pointed it out, which was pretty insensitive of me, because how would I feel if it was MY name out there on the forum thread in a fairly negative context to begin with???

          I really must have taken my stupid pill not to see that point of view.

          I'm still not really sure what I believe but I think in the long run, I'll sort of end up going by the Bible over any other religious work as a guide to a more spiritual life.  That's just me, I'm sure there's lots of validity to everyone's point of view, simply because you're so right, spiritual matters are  deeply personal and numinous experiences for people.


          For an atheist who rejects any kind of spiritual life, I'm sure that person has some ethos that makes his interactions with others acceptable socially as a perfectly adequate substitute.

          1. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I like to think that every one has a purpose in life.

        2. stilljustwonderin profile image61
          stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          HI!  I think some people come on here just to get under other peoples skin.
          It seems that if you don't "not believe" with them, they want to attack.   
          Love ya bro

  23. Stevennix2001 profile image84
    Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago

    as a great king once said.........

    CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!? lollollol

    1. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, luv.  I'll pour some water on the BBQ if I can.

      1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
        Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        whoo hoo.  thanks paradise. you truly are a woman after my own heart, as i love bbq's!  lollollol

  24. WryLilt profile image88
    WryLiltposted 6 years ago

    I wouldn't even come close to mark when it comes to religious theory however I grew up with parents who thought at the time that reading the bible was the perfect way to relax. I've seen many different beliefs and there is only one thing I'd use as an excuse to argue with a christian:

    'It's not that I agree/disagree with you to the same blind extent you hold your belief. It's that I want to make you think. If I can make one person think about WHY they believe what they believe I've done what I intended.'

    Some people, in particular members of this forum, get so crazy in their tiny tunnel view that they can't think about it from any other perspective.

    In closing I'd like to give this link to people who say that "If given proof of something, they'd change their mind."

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/48242

  25. KCC Big Country profile image83
    KCC Big Countryposted 6 years ago

    *bats my little moneky eyelashes*  Mark Knowles is my hero!

    1. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi KC!

      1. KCC Big Country profile image83
        KCC Big Countryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        *waves little monkey paw*  Hi, Pardise 7!

  26. waynet profile image47
    waynetposted 6 years ago

    He is God...bow down before him...do it now!!!!!!!

  27. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Thuth be known, how do we know that nlogan ain't Mark???

        Ya just don't know what ya don't know.   Ya Know?

    1. 0
      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is just extremely unlikely. In fact, about as much change of Nlogan being Mark as a diety existing... which for you is 100% and for me is 0% lol

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wasn't saying nuttin.   just sayin that ya just don't know what ya dont't know;  Ya know?

            seen it dun bfor ;   sure i'll will see it agin.

  28. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    ..you're all good people supporting him like this especially since he's not around...i'm sure he can stick up for himself without a problem...

    i guess if i had a question for one of you...I might just send you an email and have a one on one conversation if I really wanted to know who you were....i like the direct approach.

  29. 0
    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    Stop the fuss, or keep it going.
    Mark Knowles is just the daughter of a wealthy florentine pogen.

    1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
      SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL...okay now we'll be scratching our heads...zappa fan ru? me 2.....

  30. 0
    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    fun is what it's all about.
    zappa fun included.
    How could it be othewise ?
    Absurdity can be rather amusing.
    Proof of that is abundant.
    Retire now to your tents and to your dreams.
    Tomorrow...

  31. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    ...watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow...

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fjzsSIqYsWE/hqdefault.jpg

    1. waynet profile image47
      waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      MMMMMMMmmmmmm slushy goodness...what's that flovour.....Husky wazz! ugggh!

  32. 0
    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    hehehe. If it's coloured yellow...
    What colour are your thoughts ?

  33. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Mark please stay out of this forum topic.. it is ABOUT you, not for you.

    Once we have canvassed everyone and determined who and what you are, we will advise you as soon as possible.

    Thank you for your patience

    smile

  34. rgarnett profile image91
    rgarnettposted 6 years ago

    This whole forum makes me want to go read what Mark Knowles has to say on HubPages. I don't usually frequent the forums, but I think I may make a habit of it. I might find some new and interesting people to follow and read.

    Such a controversial guy ... there are so many people on HubPages and ... this one guy sure has made a name for himself. Is it strange that I am shocked ... one man is singled out for speaking his mind. I have never seen a site where people were singled out for discussion like this.

    It seems to me, that if I was this Mark Knowles person, I would be uber pissed off - however, I saw only one response from him, at least from what I read and it seemed quite calm and civil. I can't imagine what sparked this forum topic.

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      are you aware that he has been known to feast on the flesh of baby seals while they are still alive?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That was only once and ages ago - therefore it does not count. wink

        1. Paraglider profile image92
          Paragliderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What, like the creation, you mean? wink

          p.s. - thanks for the link!

        2. Greek One profile image81
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          oh i meant no insult.... I'm Canadian... so I encourage you to dine on our unique cuisine smile

        3. BDazzler profile image84
          BDazzlerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So, what if you did? I mean baby seals are cute and all but you are, after all, a culinary expert ... and one must write about what one knows ... I mean, seriously, what if you were researching how to sell baby seal eating tools on Ebay or Amazon.

          I think Greek One is being far too rough on you.

    2. BRIAN SLATER profile image86
      BRIAN SLATERposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Your right rgarnett, Mark Knowles is a rebel and knows exactly what he is doing by keeping out of this argument. Like all radicals he starts something then steps back and waits. He's probably sitting back in his chair watching his hub score climb higher and higher with every thread.

  35. Daniel Carter profile image92
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    just a thought: If you believed everything you thought, never having it questioned, would that be a good thing? How many times, because of questioning your own thoughts and beliefs did you actually gain new, valuable knowledge?

    For me, much, many, perhaps countless times.

    Mark questions everything to get people to see things in a different way. People who think his methods are brutal are entitled to think so if they wish, but I think he's doing most people a favor. If you never question your beliefs, you never wake up to reality. It seems to me that those who are least secure in themselves are the ones most prone to react vehemently to such jolts of questioning.

    I'd like Mark to confront a few religious and political figures and my exwives. I would find that refreshing as well. He's welcome to confront me anytime. I'm good with that.

  36. rgarnett profile image91
    rgarnettposted 6 years ago

    I just think he has a right to defend himself when he is being called out so publicly. Even if he does eat the flesh of baby seals. Poor seals tongue

    Mark ... I read some of your hubs - they are not nearly as controversial as I thought they would be! The OP gives you a lot of credit for turning HubPages on its head. I don't see it. I guess that means your hubscore is going up the more times I click.

    I think that nlogan and Mark Knowles have a lot in common. They both like confrontation. For if nlogan didn't like confrontation, she wouldn't have singled him out. If we are asking for respect, perhaps we might give some - calling someone out in a public forum - dedicating a forum topic to his name - is not what I call respect.

    Oh and just for the record, I don't want you to save my soul. I have that covered. Its distasteful to think that everyone wants your brand of God - its incorrect to assume that everyone needs your brand of respect, because at this point, it seems to me that respect is not what you are after.

    Team God? Do you play baseball in the sky - ridicule those who are not exactly like you, don't agree with you, condemn those who are not the same as you? By the way this issue was addressed by a member of Team God, I will pass on joining that Team.

    1. nlogan profile image60
      nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No, I don't like confrontation, and I am a really loving person- but since he seems to disrupt christian opinions and forums, I used him to further try to save souls.... every little bit helps.... If you have been reading I haven't been rude or distasteful, we are just having good debate.....

      And he needs the attention so badly-that's why he comes to forums(christian forums), so I gave him what he wanted-attention, because I'm a giver!

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have to admit you have been absolutely gracious with your posts, even though the irony is thick enough to taste.  However, you want to 'give' your beliefs but Mark, and I and many others, consider it about as useful as giving us your cast off underwear.  All we want you and all the other proselytising christians to do is to keep your fantastic beliefs to yourself.

        The anti-christian, religion in general, view is not atheism or barabarianism it is common sense and grounded in the understanding that religion has been a negative factor in the progress of civilzation, constantly dragging societies back to the stone ages or medieval times.  We have had our renaissance and just wish all of you would catch up.

      2. Sufidreamer profile image82
        Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I doubt that you have managed to save any souls - all that you have managed to do is make yourself appear spiteful, selfish and petty.

        Saying that you don't like confrontation and opening a 'personal attack' thread is a contradiction - not what I would call the actions of a truly loving person. Passive aggression is still aggression, whatever sickly-sweet, 'I Love you All Really' coating you try to bury it under.

        1. Greek One profile image81
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          incidentally, last night for dessert i had some sickly sweet!

          1. Daniel Carter profile image92
            Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe I should wave my souvlaki stick a little more if dessert is included...

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              wave it enough, and sure enough something sickly sweet will come out

      3. rgarnett profile image91
        rgarnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you were so loving, I don't think you would have compared him to Satan. That's not exactly my idea of respect or love thy neighbor. Your attempt to 'save souls' just turns people off, because Christians like you are the reason that people don't believe there is a God. You should be ashamed of yourself. Like others with your brand of Christianity, you hide behind God and twist His real message around to further your own agenda.

        Pushy. Disrespectful. Condescending. Intolerant. Judgemental. Distasteful. Contradictory. Hypocritical. Close-minded.

        If you don't like challenges in your opinion and you would like to live in your bubble and never open your mind to someone else's opinions, then I am sad for you. Frankly, I don't think I believe in the same things that Mark Knowles does - but I do believe he has the right to believe or disbelieve in God - he doesn't need saving. I don't think God made it your job to demean someone with an open forum of attack. Its just not cool.

        1. Pcunix profile image91
          Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          While I can agree with everything else, nasty Christians dont create atheists.   Until much later in life, I was only exposed to very nice Christians.  No messages of hate, judgment or anything like it.  I still rejected it as utter nonsense the moment I realized they were serious and not just telling tall tales.

          Nasty Christians can create bitter, angry atheists, but they have no responsibility for the base.

          My wife was exposed to the judgmental, hypocrite kind.  She hates them with real venom, but again, she knew they were screwed up right from the get-go.  Actually, because she was surrounded by them, she thought there was something wrong with her own self.   Why couldn't she believe and feel so superior as they did?   Only after meeting more people did she understand that she was not the sick one.

          I loved a story a friend told us of going to a wedding and being seated with ten very born-agains who immediately set in to convert him and his wife.  He listened to them for a while, put his hands on the table and said "You are all mentally Ill.  You CAN be helped, but not by me".  And they left.

          1. Sufidreamer profile image82
            Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That's always the problem - we used to have a lot of moderate Christians here and some great debates, with very little nastiness. Sadly, most of them became very frustrated with the extreme views and left, or do not bother with the religion forums - I rarely do anymore. Not worth it sad

            1. Daniel Carter profile image92
              Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I think it's because the clock is ticking down for the Rapture. Do or die time. Don't be left behind. Two minute warning.

              The rest of us DO want to be left behind. I'd hate to be sucked up in the Rapture with that crowd or their evil god.

              There. I said it.

              It's a good day.

              1. Sufidreamer profile image82
                Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Must admit - I never understood that Rapture thing. I am in full agreement - I would much rather be left behind.

                I personally believe that it is a load of tripe, but people are free to believe what they want. What I don't like is the glee that some seem to take in the thought that billions of people will end up in eternal torture if their twisted view is correct.

                1. Daniel Carter profile image92
                  Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Which is shockingly consistent with their view of humanity and "God's love" and other "virtues" of the Christian mind.

                  Truly not the most rational approach to living.

                  1. Sufidreamer profile image82
                    Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Have to agree with you there - that is a very poor representation of Christian values. I know many Christians who go out and help people, regardless of their faith/belief/politics. They are the people that I have respect for.

                    If a god decides that it is OK to torture billions of people for all eternity, then I would turn my back on such a God, rather than take joy from the idea that people are going to suffer. smile

            2. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And this is our loss. sad

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                so you guys both now focus on making this moderate Christian a well off internet guru??

          2. rgarnett profile image91
            rgarnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oh, Pcunix, you are always my voice of reason. smile You always put things in perspective. I always appreciate your perspective. LOL

            I suppose, I was pulling from my own experiences with that particular comment. I found that all I received was a bunch of nasty Christians and they really did color my view of God. I have now since figured out that I just must believe in a much different God than the people who condemn me.

            I want to retract that portion of my comment. You are absolutely right, its not nasty Christians who make people disbelievers. But I still believe if she would live by example - by the real message everyone is always preaching about - this thread would not have been created in the first place.

            Unlike some who are defending Mark in this - I hadn't even heard of him really until I came across this forum thread. I didn't know his views and I didn't know how postings in other forums. Now I know that I don't agree with him, and you know I don't agree with you, lol, on the God thing.

            The difference between my brand of Christianity and the others in this thread (nlogan, et al) is that I am not going to stand for a personal attack on someone. Its insulting and its not nice. Christians are supposed to love people, see the good in people, and not intentionally instigate an arguement.

            As ryankett said, its not about whose beliefs are better or right. Its about the personal attack on another person. I don't care who believes what and I don't think its anybody's 'job' to make them believe in God. This type of action is certainly not the way to do it.

      4. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You use people for your own ambitions, to confront them with their beliefs. You said you were attractive, buy that isn't attractive at all. You said you're not confrontational and a loving person, but you called out Mark and insulted him personally. Everything you say you are is null and void by the OP you presented.



        The question then remains, a giver of what? It wasn't just attention. smile

  37. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    uh, did you see what he was wearing on his head?  Clearly an Ottawa Senators fan

    1. BRIAN SLATER profile image86
      BRIAN SLATERposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have never heard of an Ottawa Senators fan??

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        oh yeah.. there were a couple... but the bird flu vaccine took care of most of that

  38. 0
    pinkyleeposted 6 years ago

    On top of all this you have only been here for three weeks so to act as if you know Mark is such bologna

    1. BRIAN SLATER profile image86
      BRIAN SLATERposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      pinkylee, rgarnett is entitled to say what ever she thinks,just like Mark whether that is 3 hours, or 3 weeks. Time shouldn't stifle opinion.

      1. nlogan profile image60
        nloganposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        thank you brian

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        pinkyleeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        My statement was not that she can't speak her mind. My point is to single someone out and basically in a round about way attack them without even knowing them is wrong on so many levels. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but for her to say that she wouldn't click on a link that she doesn't agree on yet she picks on Mark about something he has said in different forums is contradictory on her part.

        There are some very out spoken people on HP and those that take the time to read and get to know that would not make assumptions about someone like nlogan is clearly doing in my opinion.

  39. Len Cannon profile image89
    Len Cannonposted 6 years ago

    f'in lol

    "I'm starting to think Satan has a laptop down there and Mark is the operator...Seriously..."

    I can't think of a higher compliment. Mark Knowles has officially won the HP forums.

    1. Daniel Carter profile image92
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wait. Where are all our numerology and anagram people? I'm sure "Mark Knowles" means something really sinister. No, wait, make that funny.

      1. 0
        DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol  you just forgot the smiley, see, now its funny!

      2. lrohner profile image85
        lrohnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nope. Neither. But put two Mark Knowles together and you definitely have Maker's Mark! smile

        M A R K    K N O W L E S

        http://i32.tinypic.com/vpl2d0.jpg

        1. Daniel Carter profile image92
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          OMG you need to post this in "mark of the beast" forum and hub it. The world will be converted and you'll be the new prophet.

          lol

  40. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    So I have summarized the discussion of this forum post and I am glad to present it here for our collective review...

    1) Mark Knowles is evil and is going to Hell.  The only way for him to redeem himself would be for him to convert or mentor me so that I can make a living off of Adsense and quit my dad job (which is Hubbing while at work)

    2) As she is not Greek Orthodox, sadly nlogan is also probably going to Hell (but in a lest warmer spot than Mark)

    3) Alcohol is good. 

    Now.. let us focus on how Islam spread peacefully in Kentucky's Jack Daniels brewing plants

  41. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    ...but you forgot about the leafs....

    http://cdn2.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/75505/leafs_20parade.jpeg

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      like i said... i USED to love you

      1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
        SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ...not fair....i luv you...

        http://a6.vox.com/6a00c225280961549d011015f0d99e860b-500pi

  42. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3118/2287276686_3060324094.jpg

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      not impressed at all

    2. Daniel Carter profile image92
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Apparently that's true, considering he and wifee splitskied. She finally found out God made him do it for porn.

      Someway, love is SO conditional.

  43. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Al Gore made it FOR porn

  44. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    ...can we make up now...is this better?

    http://www.tosports.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/leafs_27sm1.jpg

  45. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    nope.. now i am in love with her

  46. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    ...but..... i still luv you...you'll luv me back one day....i'll wait...so for now...

    http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/give%20up%20cat.jpg

    1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
      SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ...i can only wait for so long......Daniel?....

      1. Daniel Carter profile image92
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm always in love. Love is a many spintered thingee.
        wink

        1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
          SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ..finally...i think............you're somewhere on the left coast...this'll do...

          http://wutbumperstickers.com/c/someone/someone_in_oregon_loves_me_bumper_sticker-p128925852083690762tmn6_152.jpg

          1. Daniel Carter profile image92
            Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Burned in love.
            Burned by love.
            Burned up by love.
            Bun in hell love.

            Those are things I relate to. I guess I'm just noncommittal these days... having been used as firewood with a little added accelerant.

            1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
              SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              ...you forgot.....remember.....i'm gonna remind you.....Elvis is in the building.....'Burnin' Love'....

              http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8Sc1JvrfFRA/STAlpVpffHI/AAAAAAAABeU/WbrH4A--i0E/s400/burnin+love+front.jpg

              1. Daniel Carter profile image92
                Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Nice.
                In my case, "a hunka hunka burned up love..."
                wink

  47. Jane@CM profile image60
    Jane@CMposted 6 years ago

    Glory be...someone on HP is going to save my soul.  Let us have a moment of silence.......





    Okay, its 5 o'clock somewhere - lets drink.

    1. Susana S profile image93
      Susana Sposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What a bloody good idea! tongue

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        Home Girlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I believe (or is it beleive now?) you guys, are nuts.
        If anyone feels like he/she is insulted, don't got to forums, don't read them, don't answer them! Don't participate in them. It's so simple.
        By the way, Mark, is it your real face or avatar? Just curious... or is it qurious?

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That is me. big_smile

  48. Diane Inside profile image86
    Diane Insideposted 6 years ago

    This thread is irrelevant he does'n have a soul he said so hisself. So why bother with figuring out why just leave him be.

    Look at him as a pest, and move on.

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Talking about somebody in their obvious presence, rather than directly to them, is rather rude. In fact this whole thread is rather rude.

      Imagine sitting in a room with two other people, with one turning to the other and saying "Please tell Diane that I am not talking to her because I think that she is a pest".

      That is effectively what you have just done.

      1. Diane Inside profile image86
        Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So what, I think HE has been a little more rude than that, If he doesn't like it I'm sure he will let me have it he always does.

        1. Daniel Carter profile image92
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Taking offense is easy. Being secure enough with yourself to realize where the other person is in life, is not so easy. Taking offense over most things isn't always the wisest choice. The way you would approach things is fine. The way others approach things may not be your way, but you wanting them to use your approach and taking offense when they don't only makes you suffer, not the other person.

          1. Diane Inside profile image86
            Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Who was taking offense, Me, NOT! What did I say leave him be. and move on right.

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          ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Now I can quote the correct person....

          So you would be happy if I started a forum thread titled 'Diane Inside-???-Who is this woman???' and then subsequently initiated a long thread trying to get people to join me in ganging up against you?

          Of course, it wouldn't really matter to you, as you don't use your real name. Imagine if this was done with your real name. It would be unsettling wouldn't it? So are you the bully or the bullied? In this case, I would consider you the bully. If I picked on you with a forum thread, I would consider you bullied.

          Perhaps what they say about the bullied becoming bullies is true, and Mark is no angel. But it still reminds me of a playgound. "he said, she said, your not my best friend anymore, your fat, your ginger, lets go call him names, blah, blah, blah."

          You can't pick a fight and expect the victim not to turn right around and smack you in the face. And that is why I am backing Mark. And you know what, if Mark started a thread right now called "I hate Daniel Carter" for example.... I would criticise Mark for that. But he hasn't, he wouldn't.

          And of course, it all boils down to one thing. For me anyway. Whilst you lot are sitting around trying to score points, Mark Knowles is secure in the knowledge that he can piss around all that he wants on forums..... he has likely made $300 since the start of this forum thread 20 hours ago. He always has the last laugh. Mark wins, hands down, everytime.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Are you saying Mark can do whatever he wants to because he's a money-maker here,  kinda a teacher's pet or something?
            hmmm...

            1. Daniel Carter profile image92
              Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You did miss the point.
              But that's okay. You got out of if what you wanted.

              1. 0
                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No, actually that's exactly the point ryankett was making.

                1. Daniel Carter profile image92
                  Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  As thou sayest...

                  1. 0
                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No.  As ryankett sayest.
                    Don't even try to blame me for something he said.

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              ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No. I am simply pointing out that he fully achieves all of his objectives on this publishing platform. Many who post on this site have to ask themselves what precisely it is that attaches them to the site. Some seem to invest an awful lot of time in the forums with no real benefits to themselves.

              One such example would be yourself. You have posted 257 forum posts for every 1 hubpage. I, on the other hand, have posted 8 forum posts for every 1 hubpage. Mark has posted 41 forum posts for every 1 hubpage.

              What I am trying to say is that Mark makes a full time living online. You, on the other hand, seem willing to waste away the last years of your miserable life on the hubpages forums with no real purpose other than to involve yourself in pointless forum threads.

              All my personal perception of course, but I have to admire Mark for what he has achieved in life. I naturally question the motives and presence of others however.

              I also made no reference in my completely hypothetical estimate of his earnings to hubpages. Mark takes a six figure sum online, I guessed at $120k (probably a conservative guess), I divided that by 365. That equals $328 per day.

              No matter what Mark involves himself in, spending his life online chatting about pointless crap is fully justified. I simply admire that about him, as do many others. He is a success story, and I am happy to celebrate that.

              1. Diane Inside profile image86
                Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You know there are other here who have other incomes other that hubpages or the internet, that do us just fine. So why is is your concern what we do with our time. It is okay for him to do whatever because he makes money that proposterous.

                1. Daniel Carter profile image92
                  Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You missed his point as well.

                  Yes, very well stated, Ryan.

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                  ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The only thing 'proposterous' about this thread is those who feel the need to cut and paste and twist other peoples words. But thats fine, at least I am confident enough in myself not to have to invent new angles.

              2. lrohner profile image85
                lrohnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                EXTREMELY well said, Ryan. As usual.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Ah, so freedom of speech (included in our civil rights) is only as good as the amount of money generated by the speaker?

                You've posted a long post here trying to qualify what you said, but ultimately what you said was that it's okay for Mark to say anything he wants to say as long as he makes money for HubPages,  unlike little ol' me who doesn't make as much money for HubPages.   

                How very fair and balanced you are!
                How very tolerant!
                How very civil-rights-upholding!
                roll

                LOL
                NOT.

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                  ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No you have misquoted me. But thats ok, I realise that those with no real argument have to fabricate one.

                  I am simply saying that no matter how many people try and knock Mark down, he is always a winner. He knows that he is winning, many others know that he is winning.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Winning at what?

                    And no I didn't misquote you.

                2. Len Cannon profile image89
                  Len Cannonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You care a lot about civil rights.  What was it like marching in Alabama back in the day? I appreciate all the work you did for America in the 60s!

          2. Diane Inside profile image86
            Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Whatever, makes you happy. Yes a deal with the devil will make you a rich individual.

            1. Diane Inside profile image86
              Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And another thing, If You like Mark so much and think he is so smart and very prosperous. Don't you think he does not need you to take up for him. I mean really, just sounds like you hanging on his coat tails. Leave it alone and let him defend himself if he feels it is necessary. Which he obviously don't.

  49. wildorangeflower profile image54
    wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago

    I read through the thread, religious forums always go back to the antique question of the GODs existence which nobody can prove or disprove. Futile exercise specially if you think you are the correct one and trying to change other peoples view about it. Old people's view seldom change or never at all.

    So if you don't want to be in a futile exercise just don't join the forum.

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      Home Girlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      W-e-e do not - DO NOT -  have religious forums here on Hubpages! We have just forums and everybody is free to come and go as he pleases and that's the beauty of it!

      1. Diane Inside profile image86
        Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But there is a categories called Religion and Beliefs, that is precisely a religous forum if the poster choses it to be so.

        1. Len Cannon profile image89
          Len Cannonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          To be fair, all topics show up on the main board regardless of what category they're posted under.  Even if someone were to specifically check where the thread came from in the first place, there is nothing to dictate what posts go where.

          Gay bashers get to post in the LGBT forums. Europeans are allowed to post in US politics forums.  If you can't deal with dissenting viewpoints, report it or ignore it.

          Lord knows I have almost shot a kidney out my back from the effort it takes to ignore some God awful thread that makes me want to blow my brains out.  I only get mad at myself for participating, though.

  50. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Is making personal attacks & back-bitching allowed in christianity?or perhaps rewarded? just asking cause after obama, i think mark knowles is the second person  who got so much holy christian-love on forum threads.

    1. nlowman profile image60
      nlowmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      In actual doctrine, personal attacks are not kindly looked upon, but interacting with many christians would have one think otherwise. It's sad because many of the ideas in christianity come from a very lovely place, and then crazy humans come around and combine their own agendas with what doctrines actually say...all religions included.

      As a side note, I have no affiliation with any of these "high power"/"god" organizations. I simply went to a Jesuit university and have studied both the old and new testament probably more than many christians, at least many that argue with me over what the bible says.

 
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