Will Jesus sent me to hell for being an atheist ?

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rajivnandyposted 13 years ago
this question keeps bothering me at times .I still cant figure out why .
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The question itself shows you not to be atheist - just undecided. No, you will not be sent to hell. The kicker is that you will depart this life with the same spirit you died with. In other words, if you are not receptive to new learnings in this life you will not be receptive on the other side when you are taught. Life is eternal and further light and knowledge await those who are receptive. If you are receptive in this life you will be all the better prepared to recieve greater knowledge concerning your place in the universe.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You cannot and do not know this. New learnings? Dear me.
  
  @rajivnandy - Because of being constantly bombarded by people like this who claim knowledge that they do not have.
  
  Whilst they may mean well - they are lying to you. They first lie to themselves and then gain a measure of personal power by pretending to certain knowledge that you do not have.
  
  This person does not and cannot know this. The question you must ask is - why are they so prepared to lie to themselves and subsequently to others. History proves they are liars and do not know anything.
  
  Jesus did not exist and there is no heaven or hell as the parasites describe. Just ask yourself a few questions.
  
  Based on their behavior - do they act as though they know what they are talking about - or do they spend all their time arguing and fighting over who know the best fairy tail?
  
  Does it really make sense that you will live forever? LOL Does it really make sense that this person has special knowledge given to him that you do not? And you only get the "further light and knowledge" if you are "receptive" to this nonsense? Exactly.
  
  Relax - ignore the self serving scaremongering. When you are dead you are dead - that is certain - and none of the parasites have an answer.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  in implying that all parasites are ignorant you have gone too far this time, Mr. Knowles!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am reading Jean Meslier's "Testament" at the moment. Enlightening.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus did not exist? Really? Interesting? Then Census records from that time period is wrong? who'd of thunk it.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I mean really, you rant yet say nothing.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Y'am - reet odd innit - non other wot sez it an no Kristian dun made up them records (whoever invented the garbage in "Luke"). They wud not do such a thang coz then has wot gud morals............
  
  Love the claim though. Please add proof of this one single, solitary reference outside the bible to a person called Jesus.
  
  Because as far as I am aware - there was no census, and there are no records. But - I am happy to be corrected.
  
  Thank you.
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  wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What are you saying? Are you saying that fairy tales doesn't mean anything? Are you saying that they don't have a moral meaning that people pass unto the kids generation after generation because it feel good in their spirits.
  
  What would being bound to earth always in our thinking benefit us? Haven't there been advancements more from out of the box thinking than in the box? The spirit is life, not how blocks stack up which can be observed. We even use faith in the world in the natural than what we think; why not in God, our Creator?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can't read? You did not understand what I said?
  
  Guess not - never said any such thing. Never mentioned fairy tales. Bet it makes you feel good to lie about what I said though - huh? Morals? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
  
  Please stop lying about what I said - I know that lying os a big part of your religion - but - stop. Thanks. Moral meaning?
  
  Wot? I really don't care what you think - please back it up with something if you are going to tell me how it is. Your opinion? Not worth much - I don't put a lot of stock in what people who lie about what I say, say. Sorry.
  
  Please try again. This time without the lies and assumptions.
  
  Thanks
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  sustainableposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus will not send u to hell for being who nature wants u to be.He will rather let the world know through u that in the universal house,there are many mansions including atheism.His care is that u understand the steps that lead to the mansion of universal bliss!
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  wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Knowles, way nice move on fairy tales. If you choose to be bound to the natural, than your faith is in things. Things that you can see, touch and even eat are all imperfect.
  
  Ever thought of who created your life? Who created the universe? It sure wasn't anyone on this planet. If you don't have visions beyond material things and "show Me" , than other people is determining your purpose. God has a plan for you whether you know it or not.
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  wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Knowles, my man, please think of the track record of Christianity. Million and millions of persons proclaiming the truth of Christ. Experience over eons of time is the big daddy of what is true. Can you behold all of this?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If it is shown that the followers of Christianity are followers because their parents were followers, their parents parents were followers, and so on, and that each generation of followers were loosely based geographically throughout the world, we can behold that Christianity is like any other religion, taught from parent to child, and little if nothing more than based on the societies at the time.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ad Populum
  
  http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie … arity.html
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you ever eaten a fresh, strawberry with a subtle Champagne? Sublime - if not perfect. You are wrong.
  
  Of course I have thought about it. And I have decided that there was no person "created" the universe and you do not know either.
  
  But - because you MUST have an answer - you have made one up. Not buying it. Your general demeanor, apparent level of understanding and quality of approach are not convincing me you have any answers. Sorry.
  
  Of course I have visions beyond material things. I have quite a powerful imagination. I just choose to understand that it is not reality.
  
  Nonsense. You cannot, and do not know this. Please do not speak to me as though I was a child.
  
  Thank you.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If microbiology reveals to us that we evolved from simpler lifeforms and cosmology reveals to us the universe came about on its own, then the answer to your questions is not a who.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  cosmology reveals to us the universe came about on its own?
  
  There is no such thing as on its own.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You know that how?
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Meditation ya know. These people who meditate can't even guess color of underwear their neighbor wears but they talk about origin of universe, big-bang from spiritual perspective. And movies like inception, matrix makes them more confident on their crap.
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  the pink umbrellaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, im pretty sure he did exist as a physical person, maybe even an inspirational one, but as for his devine powers...im thinking no
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why?
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  the pink umbrellaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I really dont want to be attacked for answering your question...ive seen enough of that on these forums.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus in a discussion of the darkness which followed the crucifixion of Christ (Extant Writings, 18).
  
  Pliny the Younger, in Letters 10:96, recorded early Christian worship practices including the fact that Christians worshiped Jesus as God and were very ethical, and he includes a reference to the love feast and Lord’s Supper.
  
  The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover.
  
  Lucian of Samosata was a second-century Greek writer who admits that Jesus was worshiped by Christians, introduced new teachings, and was crucified for them. He said that Jesus' teachings included the brotherhood of believers, the importance of conversion, and the importance of denying other gods. Christians lived according to Jesus’ laws, believed themselves to be immortal, and were characterized by contempt for death, voluntary self-devotion, and renunciation of material goods.
  
  Mara Bar-Serapion confirms that Jesus was thought to be a wise and virtuous man, was considered by many to be the king of Israel, was put to death by the Jews, and lived on in the teachings of His followers.
  
  Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.
  
  In fact, we can almost reconstruct the gospel just from early non-Christian sources: Jesus was called the Christ (Josephus), did “magic,” led Israel into new teachings, and was hanged on Passover for them (Babylonian Talmud) in Judea (Tacitus), but claimed to be God and would return (Eliezar), which his followers believed, worshipping Him as God (Pliny the Younger).
  
  There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.
  
  just som e secular information. In your f... ummm, there ya go, hopmework for ya.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/ … in_43.html The first thing i looked up, I found... your searching skills must suck immensely, whale cousin.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry. I do not see the word "jesus" on that page. Nor do I see the other thousands of references you claim as proof. I see that Yeshu only had five disciples, Matthai, Nakai, Nezer, Buni and Todah, and he was hanged (not crucified). Interesting.
  
  Your searching skills are somewhat biased, cousin. I see you have chosen to ignore what I said. I said there was a reference to "Yeshu" in this document. You have decided that this means Jesus. There is not a great deal of agreement over this point. The other references - I assume we both agree that they are simply references to the Christian cult - not Jesus? No one denies there is a Christian cult. Lots of them in fact. They all believe based in hearsay - which is why there is so many of them. You, yourself called that Catholic cult, "crap".
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your question in the title of your thread insinuates you are not an atheist.
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  rajivnandyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No...actually i don't exactly know about god's existence and plus people keep talkin about things like "when you don't believe or disrespect Jesus..then u make him cry ... :'(
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  tommyjposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. Bad grammar. Clearly a believer.
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  bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oooh, guitar.
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  rajivnandyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yea dude ...i play guitar ...for more details read the description.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was an atheist and attained enlightenment without believing in Jesus or any of the other prophets.God is my home, my source its where I have come from and will go back to.
  One needs to meditate ,that's the message of the prophets.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wow.. your property taxes must be insane!
  
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Totally
  
  "Nothing really belongs to me,
  At the same time all is mine as far as I can see.".
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that's EXACTLY what the tax collector said to me the other day!
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  great
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  bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beautiful man.Beautiful.
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  lovelifebehappyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  whatever your belief is, is your choice.....any religion or any God you worship could not put or save you from hell...it is you, your mind and your actions that make you so...that's why some people meditate to free and clean thier from nasty thoughts because if thier mind is clean, they do good things to other people..the act of loving kindness...
  Think good, Do unto others as you would like others would do unto you...and let God (whatever your religious affiliation is), be your model and your guide....
  I think this matters most....
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  bsscorpio8posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And SEX!!!!
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  lovelifebehappyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are naughty!...hahaha!...but i like the way you are....keep smiling and be good....
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Question of rajivnandy:
  
  Will Jesus send me to hell for being an atheist ?
  
  Hi friend rajivnandy
  
  Jesus is neither god nor son of god; so you don't worry about Jesus; he cannot send you to hell. One should care about the Creator- God Allah YHWH , who is the Master of the Day of Judgment:
  
  [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
  [1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
  [1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
  
  [1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
  
  [1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
  [1:6] Guide us in the right path —
  [1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=1
  
  Please see [1:4].
  
  Jesus is only a Messenger Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH and a servant of Him. Jesus cannot send any body on his own to hell or heaven. One should, therefore, obey the Creator-God Allah YHWH with all sincerity.
  
  This is what I believe.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  lovelifebehappyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dear, continue to be good and do good to all living beings on this planet....it doesn't matter whatever God you worship...hold on to your own beliefs and be righteous in all your dealings..for religion doesn't matter so much...however, let us respect each other's religion and beliefs..in doing so, we avoid conflict and discrimination... that will result to Love and Peace...
  MAY ALL BE WELL AND HAPPY!...Smile...
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You have a good idea there and it would work well, except for one thing, the conflict, of which I've presented an example here:
  
  How can anyone respect the beliefs of believers when they don't offer respect themselves?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. That's what the Bible says.
  Mankind is without excuse. We each have a choice to make.
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  craftywhitchposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i do not believe that jesus would send to hell for not believing in him iits our choice and the bible has so many loop holes its unbelievable i do not go to church myself because i just stopped believing in him
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  wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  craftywhitch, I believe God wants you to start at the being; God is omnipresent, omniscience, and omnipotent. Pray for a more full knowledge of this. " God is love." Patiently, wait on a more fuller understanding of this verse; don't move. "...Be still and know that I am God..."
  
  Be patient until all believed loop holes are resolved; they are still calling you. "...make man a liar, and God the truth...".
  
  When a person lose faith it's usually because they have placed some limit on God and have accepted some world truths to be absolute.
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  Bibowenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, God has created the conditions for people to go to hell. In the end, it will be because they lack a savior for their sins that they go there. They rejected God and the salvation He offers through the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. The Bible teaches that God exists, that we know that He exists, but that we resist the knowledge of Him. The Bible talks about us "supressing the truth in unrighteousness." Some do not want to know Him (on his terms) because it makes them feel guilty. Or perhaps they simply hate the God revealed in the Bible.
  
  But if you're willing to accept Him on His terms, He will save you from your sins. Jesus said, "He that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here ya go:
  
  "It is plain, then, from these citations, that the word sheol, "hell," makes nothing for the doctrine of future unending punishment as a part of the Law penalties. It is never used by Moses or the Prophets in the sense of a place of torment after death; and in no way conflicts with the statement already proved, that the Law of Moses deals wholly in temporal rewards and punishments."
  
  http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/tbhell.html
  
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
why would you care what Jesus would or would not think if you don't believe in Jesus?

It's like wondering if you should dye your hair red if you are bald
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ShadowKing!posted 13 years ago
In 30 A.D. the English word didn't exist nor did the English language. In the early 300s A.D. the West Germanic word "haljo" (meaning "hole") came into use. Around the mid-400s Old English was born. In 1100 A.D "hell" meant "a hole in the ground". In 1601-1605, KJV translators took "hell"--meaning "hole in the ground" or "grave" and applied it to sheol, meaning "grave". By 1605-1611, KJV translators began rendering the New Testament. Hades, which they knew was equivalent to sheol, was rendered "hell", so was gehenna & tartaros which meant nothing remotely close to a grave. So if we go by hell's original meaning, No, Jesus won't sent you to the "grave." Natural causes or reckless living will do that.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  nice reply, different take.
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  Deaconessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very good points ShadowKing. I would like to add that the Christian image of hell was created by a man named Dante in poem contained in his written works titled, "The Divine Comedy." The Catholic church jumped right on it to instill fear and gain stronger control over the masses. I really don't understand why some people holdfast to the "idea" of hell, even when they are shown that it is indeed a figment of the imagination. Perhaps, it is because "hell" is so integral in their belief system... I mean... if there is no hell, then what do they need to be saved from?
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M.A.Nobleposted 13 years ago
It is amazing how an atheistic and philosophical question is answered by the same. I note that not one answer is a Christian one.

People without Christ's authority have answered you with their own human wisdom about things that can be answered by the Spirit of God. All those who do not acknowledge God and who do not accept him as their Father (through the Son) will stand before God in Judgement. All those who are not written in The Book of Life will die a second death and this means for eternity you will live a life without God and thi also means in torment. That answers your question because the term atheist suggests someone has willingly chosen not to aknowledge God and prefer to place their faith in humanism or paganism. God has provided many opportunities for everyone including atheists to get to know God personally (through his son ) but if you have chosen to ignore these then you have chosen willing in your heart and mind to reject Him! Therefore as God brought judgement on all those who rejected him in the Old Testament Historical accounts so it shall be in the New tesament accounts See Book of Revelation chapter 20 and chapter 21.

M.A.Noble
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  Deaconessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not everyone who denounces the existence of hell is an atheist. I have a strong belief in God.
  
  The thing is... the Christian idea of hell is nowhere in the bible, and so it is not we who denounce hell who speak without authority, but those who repeat what they have learned "outside" of the scripture. It is a belief empowered by fear, and it has nothing to do with God.
  
  2 Timothy 1:7... "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear but of power and of love and of a sound mind."
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  ShadowKing!posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To M.A. Noble:
  
  I believe your answer is simply a human inclination to refuse natural logic and cling to a predisposed cloak of self-righteousness. You speak of Christ's authority in which your use of these words sound idiotic. If any one was to have "Christ's authority" they have "Christ's Power". One doesn't need Christ''s Authority, Power, Blessing, etc. to enlighten someone about a fact. You need to study this thing called "hell".
  I find most Christians to be people of little wisdom. Logic should tell them that if hell is one of the great biblical debates, maybe, perhaps, they should investigate it, research it, study it. But no, people continue to cling to erroneous beliefs.
  For 300 years the ancient scholars refused to believe the world was round--clinging to a false belief even 75 yrs after a flat-earth theory was proven wrong. For 2,300 yrs people believe in some form of a Loch Ness Monster, 40 yrs for Bigfoot, before facts showed them these ridiculous characters don't exist.
  it's a theme than runs exceedingly long through human history. The case here is not that people believe in something false (that I can understand), it's that they believe in a falsity that's utterly ridiculous!
  And yet they call themselves...intelligent, open-minded, practical.......
  
  NOTE to others: I said: "most Christians have little wisdom" not all. if you feel you're not in this "most" category don't get offended.
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  thooghunposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "That answers your question because the term atheist suggests someone has willingly chosen not to aknowledge God and prefer to place their faith in humanism or paganism."
  
  Absolutely not. It is entirely the other way around. Atheism is not a position, and in many ways is something we all share, yourself included. There are many deities you do not believe in, simply because you've never heard of them.
  
  Similarly you make the bold and condescending claim to know the minds and experiences of others:
  
  "God has provided many opportunities for everyone including atheists to get to know God personally (through his son ) but if you have chosen to ignore these then you have chosen willing in your heart and mind to reject Him!"
  
  You have no way of knowing this, beyond a personal belief. You know nothing about me, and yet are ready to judge me. An interesting concept.
  
  P.S What do you make of people who have no way of knowing about your faith. Or, are raised and brainwashed into another? Are they going to hell too?
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pisean282311posted 13 years ago
now how can u be atheist when u doubt that jesus might put u in hell?..now coming to larger point there are 67% people in world who dont accept christ..there are 77% people who dont believe in quran and there are 84% people in world who dont believe in vedas..so point is if person doesnot accept religion defined god and would be put to hell..hell would be really really crowded place and it would have some really great people in it too...
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years ago
he sent me a while ago....sometimes i try to get out...it's hot in here...but then again I'm luving it......

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Adult Contentposted 13 years ago
I'm not sure if that is even Jesus' job. (Heaven--unlike CA does not necessarily give all the unsavory jobs to a guy named Jesus. God Himself might be in charge of that kind of thing.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Hi friends

Jesus cannot send anybody to heaven or hell. He himself waits grace of the Creator-God Allah YHWH to be sent to heaven.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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M.A.Nobleposted 13 years ago
Your answers will be made clear eventually but it will be too late to realise Man's wisdom and debates get you nowhere!
Stop wasting time discussing hell and start learning about faith!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So we can be just like you? Perhaps you could tell us why you are so fantastic?
  
  Edit - oops - don't bother. I just looked at your rant against "abominations such as hindu temples" on your profile page.
  
  You have no authority. None.
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  thooghunposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I adore white noise. When reason fails, rhetoric begins.
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Shil1978posted 13 years ago
It seems incredulous to me that the majority of the world would go to hell - most of the billions who inhabit the world don't believe in Jesus, or for that matter agree on any 'one God.' Does not mean, the 'nonbelievers' would automatically go to hell.

There are many 'believers' who are not 'good.' Equally, there are many 'nonbelievers' who are very moral and good human beings!
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wilmiers77posted 13 years ago
The Infinite God knows the heart. Let's not get hung up on a names. Jesus has other names. He had God's Spirit. Other persons must come to know His spirit. Many roads lead to the Son Of God's Spirit, but one can not get around Him regardless the name they call Him. God promised that the standard that He shall judge by His Holy Spirit which Jesus possessed. The body to dust, but the spirit is eternal. Jesus's resurrection and ascension was God way of showing that Jesus is His standard, the One. God promised to send those to hell that opposes His Son's Spirit.
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fatfistposted 13 years ago
"Will Jesus sent me to hell for being an atheist ?"

Let's put it this way:

Your Goose is cooked! It's already in the oven as we're speaking.
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maplethorpejposted 13 years ago
Heaven nor hell exist. Read my hub about the paradox of heaven. There might be an afterlife, but being punished or rewarded for the way you act in this life won't determine where you end up in the next. Humans exhibit 'evil' and thus we assume there is a devil. There isn't anything supernatural about human behavior. Greed, lust, love, hate, altruism, thievery: these are all human characteristics at varying degrees, not good or evil.

If you contemplate life and appreciate whatever this reality is, you can't go wrong.
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  wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can't always appreciate anything that causes you pain and mental anguish.
  If one considers who, what, and when created us and all that exist alone with why and what is our purpose; we get God, and nothing less. If one consider the fact that we are developing technologically and religiously, what are the limits or what is our final destination? We get heaven by reasoning, and you have acknowledged the devil who is a proponent of pain and death, and this is called...!
  Put God in the equation, and you get supernatural every time. God's intelligent design trains us and we acquire knowledge, a toy space which lets us know more of God, our Creator. This toy space is incomplete, and needs the completeness of Jesus, the Son of God.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh please.
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vrbmftposted 13 years ago
Your question , will Jesus send you to hell...? leaves me with a couple of more questions for you? The first is Why would Jesus send you to hell for being an atheist? Secondly, tell us what it means to you, in particular, to "be" an atheist.

I also wonder if you have any interest in going to hell. Out of curiosity? Looking for a hot job? The hell here isn't enough for you? Laugh! Supposed to be funny. Hot humor!!

For me, going to hell and being an atheist are cookie cutter concepts or notions. They come out of a narrow view of reality, a kind of wicked spirituality or theology, sort of a power based theology where someone has the power to send someone to hell or the person on the receiving end has the power to rebel and say, I don't beleive in whoever you are. It speaks to almost nothing of what I experience in my life.

Despite all the pain in the universe, the universe is still an infinitely beautiful and "mawvelous" place to exist, and I am happy I am here. And just like I am not afraid of the bears who live but a few miles from me, I am not afraid of going to hell nor do I want to take away too much energy from my writing time to question myself whether I am a believer or an atheist or an agnostic.

Those are also power based words, each label implying that the other is more or less the truth than the other. I'd rather get together with a bunch of folks and together we can look around our lives and our community and at each other and discover all that there is to believe in.

There's too much to believe in to narrow it all down to the words like atheist and agnostic and believer. Be like saying, okay folks, from now on there are only three kinds of food and where is your allegiance? There's junk food, McDonalds, and Vegetarian. That's it. All food falls under one of those three categories. And by the way, if you pick McDonalds, you might go to hell. Yea, of course it's ridiculous just like those three cubby holes.

Speaking of food, do you know what God's favorite food is? What's your most heavenly food? What food would you die for? What food would you go to hell for? Any food you would go to heaven for?

I'm not sure but I think God's favorite is a toss up between Angel Food Cake and Devils Food Cake. What? You thought it was barbecued ribs! Well, when you think about Adam, that makes sense!
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drej2522posted 13 years ago
Mark...history does indicate that there was an actual man who claimed to be the savior of god, perceived as attacking the Jewish faith and was crucified for it. Now whether not he was 'actually' the savior??? (shrugs)...that would be based on faith.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really? History outside of the bible?
  
  Please - enlighten me. Seriously. Forget Josephus -....
  
  Go!
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  drej2522posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'm not talking about Biblical references. The heck with that, I'm a freakin agnostic!
  His existence is taught in any western civilizations class or world history class. (and yes, I know such books are somewhat biased, but really what isn't these days?)
  
  You want a literary reference?...like an encyclopedia or a (.edu) reference? I'm not quite sure what you are looking for here.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Anything. Any historical reference outside the bible (other than references to the bible by - "western civilizations class" or "world history class" - what ever they are).
  
  Wikipedia says.
  
  "according to the Gospel of Luke"
  "According to each of the fourcanonical New Testament gospels"
  "In the synoptic Gospels "
  "According to the Synoptics"
  "The Gospels state that Jesus"
  "The principal sources of information regarding Jesus' life and teachings are the four Gospels"
  
  So - really - I will be pleased to hear anything.
  
  Seriously - any impartial reference to the man.
  
  Anything.
  
  Go!
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  drej2522posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting enough, no matter what source I try, the gospels are always some sort of source...even if it's indirect. Hmm, I guess I never really tried to research his existence outside those guidelines. I stand corrected.
  
  So, I guess you're under the impression that the man didn't exist at all? I don't know if I ever ran into that conclusion before. I would say most think someone was there, preaching something.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well - I have looked. Hard.
  
  I have managed to find one, single solitary reference outside the gospels - to "Jesus The Magician."
  
  But - most people - as you did - swallow the "fact" that there is "historical evidence."
  
  Which - there is not.
  
  So - yes - I have come to the conclusion that He is a convenient construct. Perhaps a rebel did exist at that time? Perhaps the "king of the Jews" was murdered for speaking against the Roman rule? Who knows? I certainly do not trust what the bible says.
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  drej2522posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  true...people are sheep (as am I). Honestly, the subject was never compelling enough for me to research otherwise (which relates to laziness).
  
  Or...there is this...I think I would like to think that there was someone like that. Someone pure and good, who had a vision to change the world. I have no quarrels with that and it's kind refreshing if, in fact, it was true.
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  wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, a hard head makes for a soft ass. We all are using faith every day; even in a world of imperfection. We have faith that our autos will start and carry us. We exercise faith when we sit in a chair that it is not going to collapse. This goes on and on daily.
  
  I choose the Creator over creatures and thing!!!!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I maintain my car, fix the brakes, change the oil etc. The faith I have comes from knowledge that it is properly maintained - and you know what - some times they break down.
  
  I don''t care what you choose to believe. Really - care factor zero.
  
  I am bothered that you feel the desperate need to tell me though.
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bjspivey-riversposted 13 years ago
In response to this question, many people have offered their opinions. But that is all most of it is...opinion. Some have made Biblical references. None of us has ever died and come back to tell you the true answer to your question. Since you say it keeps coming up in your mind, I would suggest you read and study Jesus and His life. If you read His sayings, you will find the answer to your question. I believe we will all face the judgement at the end and God will decide who goes where. But that is my belief. You need to find out for yourself.
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Mark Knowlesposted 13 years ago
Please stop lying to me cousin. There is little - if any - reference to Jeebus outside your little book.

Sextus Julius Africanus - Christian politician, unable to determine when he lived.

Pliny the younger - no reference to Jeebus - only to his fan club.

Lucian of Samosata - no reference to Jeebus - only to his fan club.

Talmud - arguments about as to whether or not a reference to "Yeshu" was actually a reference to Jeebus.

Mara Bar-Serapion - reference to a "wise king" of the Jews - no mention of Jeebus.

Gospels - ummm - not secular. Sorry.

No one is denying you guys are loud mouthed about your beliefs. But - this only proves that you are loud mouthed about your beliefs. No morals - that is your problem. You will burn for all eternity.
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TruthDebaterposted 13 years ago
I think Jesus should have read psychology 101. It's amazing how many people now believe the faith backed claims, just imagine how many would have believed without mention of a hell.

Do the churches of today preach more of heaven or threaten with hell? I would imagine those that threaten more couldn't keep as many followers and believers as those that focus more on heavenly rewards.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend TruthDebater
  
  I agree with you that the churches should focus more on the mercy of the Creator-God Allah YHWH:
  
  [7:157] ‘And ordain for us good in this world, as well as in the next; we have turned to Thee with repentance.’ God replied, ‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things; so I will ordain it for those who act righteously, and pay the Zakat and those who believe in Our Signs —
  [7:158] ‘Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate one, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them. He enjoins on them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful for them the good things and forbids them the bad, and removes from them their burden and the shackles that were upon them. So those who shall believe in him, and honour and support him, and help him, and follow the light that has been sent down with him — these shall prosper.’
  [7:159] Say, ‘O mankind! truly I am a Messenger to you all from Allah to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no God but He. He gives life, and He causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet, the Immaculate one, who believes in Allah and His words; and follow him that you may be rightly guided.’
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=156
  
  So God's mercy encompasses everything "but My mercy encompasses all things; so I will ordain it for those who act righteously, and pay the Zakat and those who believe in Our Signs —"
  
  One should therefore take benefit of His mercy.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So it is Allah that will send me to hell for not believing? Not Jesus. How very unreasonable of it.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Jesus cannot send anybody to heaven or hell. He himself awaits grace of the Creator-God Allah YHWH to be sent to heaven.

The Creator-God Allah wants that everybody including the Atheists Agnostics should be sent to heaven by becoming believers in Him and by doing good and rational deeds:

[4:146] The hypocrites shall surely be in the lowest depth of the Fire; and thou shalt find no helper for them,
[4:147] Except those who repent and amend and hold fast to Allah and are sincere in their obedience to Allah. These are among the believers. And Allah will soon bestow a great reward upon the believers.

[4:148] Why should Allah punish you, if you are thankful and if you believe? And Allah is Appreciating, All-Knowing.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=147

See the verse 4:148, the Creator is not interested in sending anybody to hell; if one does good deeds and believes in Him one could go to heaven.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Awww - Allah is going to punish me for not believing in it?
  
  How incredibly unreasonable.
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
If I do not believe in the light bulb and refuse to turn on the switch?

Is it the light bulbs fault for leaving me in the dark?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is no light bulb. It is your fault for imagining the invisible light bulb and then trying to convince other people wot it is there.
  
  Sorry.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying that it is my fault that you are in the dark; because I can see the light??
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No Jerami. I am not in the dark - thanks for asking.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm glad ! As long as everybody has got what they want I guess there is no problem ?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If Mark is in the dark and you are in the light, why doesn't the light illuminate your god for all of us to see?
  
  Maybe it is your god who hides in the dark?
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It seems as though some people can not follow the progression a series of metaphors.
  That conversation started out with ME being in the dark cause I didn't believe in light bulbs.
  
  I actually never said that Mark was in the dark and I in the light.
  Do not focus on the last sentence of a metaphorical exchange a
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Some life choses to live in the dark, for example, There is a 50,000-mile-long mid-ocean ridge, of which the Mid-Cayman Rise is just one particularly accessible part that scientists have only began to explore.
  
  We do know that bacterial and othe single celled life forms as well as tube worms live in the crushing pressure and darkness of the ocean depths.
  
  If evolution is true...is it possible that some life here on earth originated from these and therefore are genetically dispositioned to live in the dark?
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  wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mark Knowles, you are holding a losing, worldly belief. We all realize such as we approach death. There is a long history of of persons heavily invested in the world expressing near the end that it now means nothing.
  
  Documented statements of atheists consistently reflect a reverse to God as they near death. So, all that they could see, touch, or possess wouldn't preserve them, only a reaching out for God in desperation.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting, your source for such wild wet claim ?
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TruthDebaterposted 13 years ago
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Kathryn LJposted 13 years ago
Best oxymoron I've read for weeks! Thanks for making me smile.
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