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If God is love, doesn't that mean he doesn't hate?

  1. Daniel Carter profile image91
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    So then, how is hate justified if only love comes from God?

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A Good answer to that question can be found in a book written by Phillip Gulley coincidentally titled: If God is Love

    2. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The easy answer is God doesn't justify hate.

    3. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      it's not justified..

      it's rationalized.

    4. IntimatEvolution profile image81
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I was not aware that God justifies hate.  What makes you think that he does?

      Hate is a passionate word.  It is describing how intense someone dislikes something. 

      Here is something to think about........

      I have a son.  When my son does something bad, I dislike his actions, but I do not hate him.

      God is God.  We are God's children, yes? I believe yes.  God doesn't not hate, he may disapprove or dislike, but hate..., God does not hate.  Not that I'm aware of anyhow.  If you have evidence that proves something different, I would be happy to learn from it.

      1. ladyt11 profile image60
        ladyt11posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You gave a very good answer and I like the analogy that you used about your son. There are some things that God says that he hates and justifiably so. In the bible Proverbs 6:16-19 states: There are six things that the lord hates. Yes seven are an abomination to him: A proud look(haughtyness), a lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies and one who sows(plants or brings about) discord among brethren. Note(although god does not like lying for any reason he is also talking about a person who is a liar/as an( innate trait, personality trait with no care or veracity) as in all things that he hates. False witness inludes someone who commits( deliberate) perjury to injure another person, or have another person scorned because of your false report of them.)These are things that bring society as a whole down and dosen't benefit anyone for good. What you described in your analogy is correct because whom god loves he chastens. Correction is necessary in life  when something is done that is not good or unethical you have to dislike it. If you don't dislike it you won't correct it.  I hope this helps

    5. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      the dimension of God,the Light is pure love.From that dimnension comes this extension we are in .here the ying -and yang exists both love and hate.

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      exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hate is not justified anywhere.
      What is hate. do you hate sinners? No, you pray for them.
      If you can talk to them, try to spread a few seeds, and pray that the seed get watered. maybe if we spread a little more of God"s love we can make a difference in our world

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, I don't.

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      romainebcposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If you believe the bible is the written Word of God then in it  is were you would find  your answer.  1 John 1:5-7. There is a devil that hates and all hate in the earth is of his doing not Gods... 1 john 10:10

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      _____________________________
      That's not what "God is love" means
      It means in order to know God, you must love.(God resides in love)
      Read this scripture
      1 John 4:8
      He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        1 John also says that we love because God first loved us. In other words, there wouldn't be love at all were it not for God. Without God there is no love. That's basically what it's saying. What is most intriguing to me (and disturbing) is how scripture is so freely interpreted.

        I'm really curious about what others think in regard to this subject. I know what I think, and whether it's right or wrong, is not as important and trying to understand why and what others think about it. I'm just curious.

        Thanks for the insight.

    9. imperial_han profile image59
      imperial_hanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Love exist becos exist of hate, how could light exist without darkness...
      We are in the process of either moving toward love or hate, and we will never reach them completely..as they are infinite. as high love will always hv even higher love and so on.... we are travellers to either way. (the love and hate of a man)  example love of peace mean hate of chaos, love of righteous indirectly mean hate of corruption and so on...
      love cant be achieve without hate, if so, we rather go to without love which mean without hate. Always be neutral.God's love is different kind of love, therefore i just want share my thought about human love is diferent that God love. in other word, we have so manythings to learn...hahaha

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And yet, it does. smile



        Sure it can. There's no reason it can't.



        Some more than others, evidently. wink

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      JustForSissiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Obviously, if a God is a God then everyone has the God-given right to hate, if that's what they choose. But if a God is a God then there's nothing out there TO hate except the work of that God. Basically, all hatred is hatred of God, if you believe in God. Very few do.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Do you? smile

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          JustForSissiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have no answer for your question. Is it relevant?

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Only if you think so. smile

    11. www.lookseenow profile image60
      www.lookseenowposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God hates disobedience, for example:

           “You have loved righteousness and you hate wickedness. That is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your partners.”  (Psalm 45:7) 

      This penchant of Jesus’ love of righteousness and hatred of wickedness moved him to obey God in all things.

      God, endowed man with mind, and knows how the mind operates.  If there is hatred, he instantly detects the bent of man’s mind and knows what it will lead to. That is why he gives warning against the consequences that are sure to follow. Jehovah knows exactly how evil operates from its earliest inception. There in Eden the account is nothing too subtle, nothing too crooked in mind or heart, but the hatred engendered there—one can read like an open book what God hates.

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Is it wrong for me to detect the bent of gods mind, too? wink

    12. VOICE CIW profile image80
      VOICE CIWposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God truly is Love, and He does not hate, He loves everyone. Because God is Love it is impossible for Him to hate. Hate does not come from God, hate comes from who people don't want to admit to his existence. Hate comes from Satan (the devil)..Satan's job is to oppose God and all the good things God do for people and the world. Satan does everything to disrupt God's intentions.

      1. bsscorpio8 profile image60
        bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Where does jealousy come from? Is jealousy a virtue? Remember; God is a jealous god, jealousy is an ugly trait in man, why would God profess "His" jealousy?

        1. Bibowen profile image90
          Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes. In fact, all "good" qualities are perverted in men: love becomes selfish desire; generosity to appeasement, mercy to the guilty can become injustice to the victim. Hate may be "negative" (especially if we are the recipients of it!), but there is no reason to think, in-and-of-itself, it's evil. A perfect God would exercise all of these qualities perfectly.

          1. bsscorpio8 profile image60
            bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So what separates us? Did man invent God out of fear of the unknown? "Are we living in a land where sex and horror are the new gods?"

          2. bsscorpio8 profile image60
            bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Seriously; what is virtuous about hate? What is "perfect" hate?

            1. Bibowen profile image90
              Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The only thing I mean here is that God's hatred toward evil would be proportionate to the evil displayed. I think we can rule out that God does not hate if you believe that He exists and that He is holy. He can't be indifferent to evil acts (like how the Nazis skinned the Jews or the experiments they did on pregnant women); he certainly can't love such acts. A God that would love such things would not be good.

              How is hate "virtuous"? I don't think this is complicated. Is it virtuous or a vice to hate cancer?

              1. bsscorpio8 profile image60
                bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hate is not virtuous; though it maybe a vice. Hate cancer?

                1. Bibowen profile image90
                  Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm just using cancer as an example. Would it be a moral perfection to love cancer or to hate it?

                  If you're going to say that God can't hate, you need to address what is a perfect being's response to evil. If only love emanates from God, then does he love evil acts and conditions? A biblical response to this question is that love is not the only response that emanates from God.

                  My point is that, as a perfect being, God's response to the events in his universe will always be maximally good, whether that response be love, jealousy, scorn, hate, compassion, or generosity.

    13. wifelv profile image60
      wifelvposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      First you have to understand what hate is. expresses  a  deep-rooted  horror  and  a  sense  of  repugnance  or  complete  rejection.  Hate is not a sin is often a feeling put in all humans as a means of survival.  If we did not have that ability we would as humans not survive.  Imagine if you ate some plant that tasted horrible and was poisons. If you did not have the capacity to hate it, you would eat it and die.  Even little children develop hate as a means of protection.  Unfortunately, hate can be mimicked and used for evil.  You can not have good with out evil.  Can you raise your kids on just love? You have to have boundaries and consequences in effort to teach them to survive in this world.  If you just showed them with fluffy love, they would disrespect you and treat you and others with disdain.  So hate is actually LOVE! ( :

      1. bsscorpio8 profile image60
        bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Dictionary   
        hate |hāt|
        verb [ trans. ]
        feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone) : the boys hate each other | he was particularly hated by the extreme right.
        • have a strong aversion to (something) : he hates flying | [with infinitive ] I'd hate to live there.
        • [with infinitive ] used politely to express one's regret or embarrassment at doing something : I hate to bother you.
        noun
        intense or passionate dislike : feelings of hate and revenge.
        • [as adj. ] denoting hostile actions motivated by intense dislike or prejudice : a hate campaign.
        DERIVATIVES
        hatable |ˈhātəbəl| (also hateable) adjective
        hater noun
        ORIGIN Old English hatian (verb), hete (noun), of Germanic origin; related to Dutch haten (verb) and German hassen (verb), Hass ‘hatred.’

        Thesaurus   
        hate
        verb
        1 they hate each other loathe, detest, despise, dislike, abhor, execrate; be repelled by, be unable to bear/stand, find intolerable, recoil from, shrink from; formal abominate. antonym love.
        2 I hate to bother you be sorry, be reluctant, be loath, be unwilling, be disinclined; regret, dislike.
        noun
        1 feelings of hate hatred, loathing, detestation, dislike, distaste, abhorrence, abomination, execration, aversion; hostility, enmity, animosity, antipathy, revulsion, disgust, contempt, odium. antonym love.
        2 a hate of mine is filling in forms peeve, pet peeve, bugbear, bane, bête noire, bogey, aversion, thorn in one's flesh/side, bugaboo. antonym love.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Such a good point, and pedophiles, murders, rapists, abusers, tend to fall under 'hate ' for me and I do believe hate is caused from people who actually live in a godless world.

      Daniel, I really miss you  sad

      But glad now smile

      1. bsscorpio8 profile image60
        bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So do you hate pedophiles, murderers and their likes? Is your world godless? Better yet, does God hate them?

    15. Sunnyglitter profile image84
      Sunnyglitterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is an interesting thread.  I consider myself religious, but I don't believe that God hates anybody.  He may be disappointed in us sometimes, but I don't believe that a loving God is capable of hating people.

      I hate how some churches and individuals go out of their way to be mean to homosexuals, women who have an abortion, and so on because "God hates them, and wants us to hate them too".  Yeah right.  God doesn't hate anybody, and even if he does, we aren't supposed to.  As they say, "only God can judge".  If only God can judge, then why are religious people always in front of Planned Parenthood, causing a scene?  It makes me sick.

      Oh, and if you believe in hell, only God decides who gets to go there.  The next person who tells me I'm going to hell just because I'm (GASP!) unmarried and about to have my 2nd child is going to get a piece of my mind.

      Missy

    16. britneydavidson profile image61
      britneydavidsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes God is Ocean of Love, he never hates anyone, If something bad happen to anyone it due to his or her actions of past birth or past actions of this brith also.

    17. Woman Of Courage profile image60
      Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hate is not justified. Hate comes from the devil. God loves everyone.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes! It is time for more of god's luv from "the good book"!


            Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

        You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

            "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

            A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)


            Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



        What a sick little murderer you god is!

    18. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      what/who the hell is this god thing you speak of?

  2. Haunty profile image83
    Hauntyposted 6 years ago

    Why do we think that there is only us, the aliens and then God?

  3. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Hate is an unfortunate condition of humans.
    It is not justified or justifiable.
    It just is.

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thats a fact.

  4. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Well slap my ass and call me Sally!
    Jim Hunter and I have found a fact -- possibly the only fact in existence -- that we agree on!
    Way to make my day, dude!

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I respectfully disagree on the previous statement.

      Wouldn't wanta ruin a good relationship...Sally

  5. myownworld profile image78
    myownworldposted 6 years ago

    Im unable to comprehend the concept of a god who could hate, punish people or even create a hell where they are tortured in misery! I just cant. For me, it has to flow from love... or there is nothing. I agree, hate is definitely a more human emotion; Id hate to think it was a divine attribute.. smile

    1. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This.

    2. wifelv profile image60
      wifelvposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Look at God this way myownworld.  If you have a child whom you have nurtured and raised and provided a loving and safe environment for.  Then, when he is 9 he decides your loving, supportive home is not what he wants.  So he sets out to live on his own in the world with out you all by himself.  Would you say that it was your fault he took off and decided to live in a dangerous world?  Would you not be loving if you did not force him to stay in your loving home and environment where he would we be safe? Or lets say you did all you can to contain him and he kept leaving no matter what he did.  Would you be unloving if you let him go to find out for himself so that he would come to his senses and hopefully want to come home? Would you not hate what he is doing?  Would you not punish him for disobeying  you? What if you put him in juvenile detention to prevent him from harming himself further?  If you did not do any of those things, others would consider your concept of being a parent unloving.  You see, God has to give boundaries other wise we would destroy ourselves and that my dear is love!  You are a God to your kids and they may hate the discipline but it is for their good.  Same things with God.  So you need to either stop disciplining your kids because that is not your value system or agree that God gave boundaries out of Love. Those same boundaries you use daily and embrace them socially.  Those who go to hell do not want love.

      1. bsscorpio8 profile image60
        bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Define loving environment. There are parental units out there whose "loving environments" would make, you run to the hills screaming in horror,yet that is all they know. Sometimes the best thing for the child is to remove them from the so called, "loving environment".
        You are opening up a whole new bag of tricks with your reasoning.

      2. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Would you send your son to hell for an eternity simply because he left your "loving" environment? wink

        1. wifelv profile image60
          wifelvposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Remember Love does not force anything it gives choices. Jesus died to give us life...if he did not, then we would all end up with Satan when we die and that is worse.  So, God had a plan and gave man kind a savior.  Love created a way for man to keep living.  The choices are limited for sure. But, your not understanding the magnitude of sin entering the word to destroy us.  The problem is this, people don't understand divine love.  If they did they would run to it...and want to be in it all day long.  We as humans seek love or the feeling of love all the time.  Imagine being in that atmosphere all the time?  The Lord wants you and I to know his love...we simply don't and try to reason it out in a human way.

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Would you send your son to hell for an eternity because he left your loving environment? Yes or no?

            Your previous post would suggest that you would. smile

  6. Dorothee-Gy profile image80
    Dorothee-Gyposted 6 years ago

    I think hate (which is one of the most negative emotions we can experience) is what we feel as a consequence of NOT looking at someone / a situation in the same way God does.

    Whenever we deviate from this unconditional loving way, we feel it, and the worse it feels, the less it is in harmony with God or our Higher Self or however we want to call it.   

    So hate can never be the answer God has, and we can never be in harmony with our True Knowledge if we do it.

    Just my 2 cents...

  7. jenblacksheep profile image85
    jenblacksheepposted 6 years ago

    Humans impose anthropomorphic qualities onto God but God doesn't love or hate (if he were to exist), coz he's not anthropomorphic!

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Your god is heartless and uses big words. mad

      1. jenblacksheep profile image85
        jenblacksheepposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am my own God so ... um ... ye!

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hmmmmmmm, now she seems monosyllabic.

          1. jenblacksheep profile image85
            jenblacksheepposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I only use big words when they are necessary. Anthropomorphic was the exact word that I meant so I had to use it!

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I always keep antidisestablishmentarianism at the ready.

              1. jenblacksheep profile image85
                jenblacksheepposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Do you know what it means?

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Nooooo...

                  Maybe that's why I never get to use it. wink

                  I wonder how the hell I could find the definition...

                  ... if only computers had some sort of a looky up thingy, I might be able to expand my vocabulary...

                  WOW!  I just invented Google!

                  1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
                    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Don't you wish?  Imagine the money signs.smile

                  2. jenblacksheep profile image85
                    jenblacksheepposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    It's something like the movement to stop people who want to get rid of the church

                    antidisestablishmentarianism

                    the establishment is the Church
                    dis-establishment is people who want to get rid of the Church
                    anti-dis-establishment is opposing the people who want to get rid of the Church

  8. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

      I like the way you said that. sometimes I feel a little sad for people who hate, I think it must be a terrible way to live, the disharmony.

    1. myownworld profile image78
      myownworldposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree... and hating or not being able to love must be even sadder....

      Reminds me of what Dostoyevsky wrote:
      “What is hell? I maintain that it is the suffering of being unable to love”

    2. wifelv profile image60
      wifelvposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If your honest, we all hate at times...come on lets stop acting like we are sooooo together and are all loving!

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    sunny5555posted 6 years ago

    God hated alot of things, and he still hates things that people say and do. there are alot of things in the bible that state it. even though he hates alot,he never stopped and will not stop loving his children, or forgiving them when they ask for forgiveness. In the bible some of the things he hates is wickedness, pride, to be proud, there is a long list

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      From a hillbillys point of view I'd say that God Don't Hate It;  But some things just aint goina happen in  HIS  house.

          And If ya insist on keeping some things up ??   Ya don't get to come into his house! 

         You have free will to choose.

      1. wifelv profile image60
        wifelvposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I love your hillbilly ways Jerami!  So sexy...

    2. Deaconess profile image60
      Deaconessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There isn't even a Hebrew word that means "hate." There is bazah (despise), and ma'as (loathe), but neither of those is the word being translated as hate in reference to God... the word, sane', translated as hate, actually means: not chosen/selected/elected/favored. Basically, when the bible says that God hates something, it would be better translated as God doesn't prefer it.

  10. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Does got disapprove of antidisestablishmentarianism?

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    sunny5555posted 6 years ago

    It is not disapproving, it is god hates

  12. SilentReed profile image88
    SilentReedposted 6 years ago

    God transcends love and hate. These are human frailties. When it rains, the good and the evil both get wet......unless you bring an umbrella :-)

  13. 7thangel@seventh profile image59
    7thangel@seventhposted 6 years ago

    Love is justified only through God, hate is justified only through man, so when God became man, His Love justifies His hate towards the man who deceives for the love of hate. Would you suffer and die for someone who hates? Lets rest the case....God Bless

  14. Bibowen profile image90
    Bibowenposted 6 years ago

    If God does not hate evil, he can't be good.

    1. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If a god can hate, he can't be all good. smile

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        @ Beelzedad: I agree with you on this. I wanted to find out more about people's take on this, and as suspected, a lot believe that god hates and loves, just like we do as humans, which makes utterly no sense to me at all. We are imperfect, while he is supposed to be perfect. Why would god act as frail and fickle as humans? He's beyond that, if he exists.

        @ misha: All I know is that love is good. Hate is not. All the other definitions, to me, are secondary to this.

        Love and hate coexisting is similar to the idea of light and dark coexisting. Like mohitmisra said, the yin and yang. But observation of the yin and yang, of light and dark, of love and hate, is different than BEING all of those things. I don't think you have to BE love AND hate. If you understand both, you have the ability to choose, and if so, why would God hate if he's so perfect?

        Makes no sense. And all this stuff about "loving the sinner but hating the sin" is pathetic to me. Why would god create such negative energy to begin with? He is about the positive, not the negative!

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Then you talk human emotions Daniel, and I am afraid with such tools we won't be able to describe anything divine... smile

      2. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Who told you he is all good? smile

      3. Bibowen profile image90
        Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hating what is evil is a virtue, not a vice. It makes no sense for a good God to love that which is evil. Evil exists. God hates it.

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          God then hates the very thing he created. That makes even less sense. smile

          1. Bibowen profile image90
            Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            God gave men creative capacity and a will. God does not create what man creates. God did not create the Mercedes E class. Men have done that with their capacity to create. Same is true with free will. God gave man the will; he did not produce the result. God no more creates evil than I do when my kids go out and do things contrary to my wishes. I may have sired them, but if they go out and wreck my car, I did not wreck the car. I can hate the fact that they wrecked the car even though they are my kids. It makes no sense to say "You gave birth to them, therefore, you caused the wreck."

            Try thinking through some of the things you say before you state them.

            1. Dave Barnett profile image60
              Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Not real sure on that. God is the author of all things, good or evil. The only evil that exists comes from the mind of man, just as the only good comes also from man, but God works through us, and acheives mighty works.

              1. skyfire profile image72
                skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                How you verified your claim in this post ?

            2. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And, then hated and punished men for using them.



              Yes, I've heard the old tired argument about how god gives free will to men but still manages to control everything. Something about having cake and eating it too.



              He must have created evil as the concept of evil doesn't really exist outside of religions. Carnivores are evil, yes?



              Would you send your kids to fiery pit to roast for an eternity? No? Then don't make the same ridiculous comparisons between you and your god.



              Likewise, dude. smile

              1. Bibowen profile image90
                Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, He hates what they're doing, and holds them accountable for their actions. Perhaps it's an "old tired argument", apparently it's also one that you can't answer except with a cliche.

                Actually nonreligious people talk about evil all the time: social evils, "crimes" against the environment, etc. I've heard more than one unbeliever call slavery "evil." Atheists on this site are constantly moralizing. Both believers and unbelievers discuss it. It's just that a Christian can account for it and an unbeliever can't.

                Finally, the Bible is clear that rebellious men are God's creation, they are not His children. You're right; I would not do such a thing to my children. Neither will God. I might destroy something that I created, but not something that I begat.

                So, you really have not countered the claim that God can hate evil and that this hatred is a virtue. It's a part of his moral perfection.

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  For me, the answer the obvious, your god doesn't exist, and I'm only entertaining the notion he does exist. However, the claims from Christians are diametrically opposed, he gives us free will yet everything is predetermined. It's a blatant contradiction.



                  Oh, I get the fact that the term 'evil' has been in our Lexicon for a long time and is used extensively by everyone, including atheists. So, are the words, 'unicorn and leprechaun.' Extending the concept of evil to nature though, doesn't really make any sense. Carnivores therefore must be evil because they kill. We must be evil because we kill animals to eat. Seems rather silly.



                  That seems like yet another silly contradiction. Your god creates 'rebellious men' LOL!



                  Yet, a place called 'Hell' appears to exist amongst believers, a place where your god sends those 'rebellious men' who were given free will even though their lives were already predestined. So many contradictions, how does one keep up with them all? wink



                  It would appear that attempting to counter any contradiction that religion creates is impossible, for believers, anyways.

                  God hates = moral perfection. Okee-dokee. smile

            3. pylos26 profile image75
              pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Bibowen…would you support the idea… ‘that of man creating life’…or does man simply assemble life components made by god.

              If the latter is true…then God made that Mercedes.

              Would you not agree?

              1. Bibowen profile image90
                Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I disagree. The Mercedes E. class was made by men. Yes, God gave man the creative capacity and the earth with its raw materials. But the car's creation came about as the cumulative experiences of men through trial and error. God did not have those experiences, so they are not His creation. As an omniscient Being, God knows that the Mercedes will be created, but foreknowledge does not equal "creation."

          2. the pink umbrella profile image72
            the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            na, it doesnt make no sense to hate something you create. I made a baked mac and cheese that was aweful, and i hated it!

            1. Misha profile image74
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Do you think PC and cheese would fire up better? wink

              You look sad today... sad

  15. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    It must be time to demonstrate the benevolence of the sky fairy again from the "good book"



        The act of murder is rampant in the Bible.  In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night.  In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God's irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport.  There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.


        Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)




        You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



        "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

         Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

        1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness.  (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

        2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



        If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



        A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

         If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord."  When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.  (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



        Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


        But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)


        1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



        2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden.  When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.  (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)


        One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

        The psychotic sky fairy is gonna get ya! lol lol lol

  16. Daniel Carter profile image91
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    @ Intimate: The question I posed was how do others justify hate, not how does God justify hate. I guess I didn't write it very clearly.

    @jen and ron: Here's one: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. Here are a couple more: Dum diddle diddle diddle dum diddle aye. Wotzit all mean? wink

    @ earnest: Yup, there's plenty of evidence that the Bible has a few problems, and that whatever God most people believe in is pretty psychotic. No wonder the world is ill...

    It is very interesting to read the diversity of thought on this. And I think there are some very good thoughts.

    The opposite of love is not hate, as I understand it. Apathy, I've read by psychologists is the opposite of love. Hate is a form of love because it keeps you chained to the person it's directed to. The only way free is to forgive or become completely apathetic of that person(s). Makes sense to me.

    If that's the case, and I'm not saying it is, hate is a very sick form of love. I'm not sure that's completely true, but it sheds a lot of interesting light on the subject.

    If there is a god, I think it is misrepresented. If god is perfect in every way, it can't act like stupid humans do. So then, I'm not sure hate is justified. It just seems it's a very sick form of love gone bad. Needing someone/something to attack and destroy.

    I don't know really, I'm just musing on the subject. But it's interesting to get such diverse responses.

  17. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
    ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago

    God is love, but he still is able to hate.
    He hates sin.
    The opposite of love is NOT hate, but apathy. Therefore, God cannot be apathetic. He must feel and feel strongly.

  18. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    As long as we mean by love a human emotion we won't move anywhere. First define love Daniel, then we can talk. smile

  19. TruthDebater profile image60
    TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago

    If a God created all including the choice of hate, and the God hated some things about the creation, wouldn't the God have to hate themselves as well to hate something it created? So if the God did hate, wouldn't this mean the God has low self-esteem for hating their own creation?
    I also find it amusing how many try to define a Gods mind when no one has first defined a God.

    1. Dave Barnett profile image60
      Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, that's why he goes to therapy twice a week. Sorry, hours up!

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ________________
      What did God hate about creation?

  20. Flightkeeper profile image77
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    Wow, did we just have a non-believer quote scripture and seeking a question about God he doesn't believe exists? big_smile

    So ironic.

    1. TruthDebater profile image60
      TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks. If this was to me, noted I stated "if" "themselves" "it" "the" "their" "a". There is a big difference from making positive assumptions as if I know something I don't. There is where you are getting confused.

      1. Dave Barnett profile image60
        Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God is the author of all things Good or Evil

      2. Flightkeeper profile image77
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nope it wasn't to you TruthDebater, it was to the OP.

        Sorry.

        1. TruthDebater profile image60
          TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks. I apologize.

          At least it is now covered where I stand in the future. lol

    2. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's easy to assume I'm not a "believer". I'm just not a follower of any particular belief system. In other words, I'm not a joiner.

      I believe there is something remarkable in the universe and about it, based on my own experiences, and I don't know what it is. If that's god, then so be it. If it's something else, then I'm fine with that, too.

      Label and categorize me as you wish. Makes no difference to me.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think that the way that you feel cain't be that different than the way that Abraham felt about it at the time. 
        What you think ???

    3. the pink umbrella profile image72
      the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      FlightKeeper- im a non believer, and i read the bible everyday. I have constant questions about your faith, and am not confused, I know what i believe, and its not in the bible. Chew on that.

      1. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What a powerful observation, Pink. Thanks for the contribution.

  21. jenblacksheep profile image85
    jenblacksheepposted 6 years ago

    That can't be right. If apathy is the opposite of love it is also the opposite of hate. Love and Hate are both intense feelings whereas Apathy is more like the lack of feeling.

    I'm trying to think of a good metaphor ... people often say that in colours, red is the opposite of green but something having no colour (black?) would also be the opposite of being green. (I hope that metaphor works ... it's late and I'm tired).

  22. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    God does not hate.  Hate is a human emotion.  You think God is as shallow as humans? 

    Please............

    God does not hate.

    1. Bibowen profile image90
      Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's not a virtue to love everything. If God loved everything, it would be an imperfection in His character. Can God love a false statement? Can He love lies with the same intensity that He loves truths? For His love to be a perfection, He would have to hate what is evil.

      Just because God hates and we hate does not mean the nature of the two are the same. God's character is perfect; His hatred is a perfect hatred, rooted in full knowledge of any given situation.

      This isn't complicated: God loves the good and hates the evil.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Virtue?  Again, another human attribute.

        God doesn't hate.  I am not so sure he loves either. 

        Great leaders are generally impartial to love and hate.  Then again, God is not human.  I imagine his type of "emotions" are little above ours. 

        Why?  Because God is not human, he is a God. 

        Anyhow- no argument is going to convince me that he is a hater.  Haters are human.  Human.

        Start thinking of God in a Godly manner.  What benefits does he gain for hating this or that.  He gains nothing. 

        No God is not the hater, humans are.

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          After beginning this discussion with Bibowen, I had to refresh my memory in regards to scriptures and most definitely found a number of verses in which god does in fact state that he "hates" certain things and wants his followers to hate the very same things. He actually teaches this hatred to his followers and went so far as to command his followers to act violently on this hatred. Amazing stuff. smile

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
            IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            List them all.  You seriously do not expect me to take your word for it.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I can list them for you but why bother? Just open the OT! lol

              1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
                IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well earnestshub, because in the spirit of debate.  I feel I made a logical request of him.  However, if you want to steal his glory, by all means lets get it on. 

                I am not sure if you have read all my threads, to fully know my position, but hey let's go.  Let's read'em.

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Nah. I have listed hundreds of them in the past. Let someone else have a go. smile

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          God killed (murdered) lots of innocent people (if you don't believe me, read the bible).  I consider murderers to be haters

      2. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you don't love everything, why does that automatically mean that you hate it?

        But then, I don't think of all things in black and white. I think there are gray areas. A lot of people can't see gray areas.

        I just don't think that not loving something automatically means you hate it. I don't even think that's healthy.

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          yes, I think emotions are on a continuum, and have different intensities.  Like anger:  can be rage, irritation, out-of-control, in-control, - all different qualities and degrees. 
          Maybe hate is not necessarily the opposite of love, and sad is not necessary the opposite of happy?  They are just emotions with varying intensities.
          If I don't love something/someone, it doesn't mean I hate it/them.  Just doesn't mean I have attached feelings for them.  It doesn't mean I have to treat them badly or be disrespectful either

  23. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    God seems to contradict the belief that he is not a hater, and as this is the book most gods are based on, this would be your god speaking right?

       


    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

        You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)


        "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



        A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)


        Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)






    What a petty, crazed psychopathic hate-filled little sky fairy!
    lol

  24. CYBERSUPE profile image60
    CYBERSUPEposted 6 years ago

    I am 79 years old and all my life I was taught that "God Is Love".
    I don't ever recall that Hate ever entered the picture. Perhaps disapprove yes, but not hate.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Take a peak in the book you base your beliefs on. smile

    2. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A REMARKABLE amount of "good Christians" would disagree with you. However, good for you for not taking such a stance as them.

  25. wilmiers77 profile image60
    wilmiers77posted 6 years ago

    God doesn't hate any person.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You haven't read the bible either? smile

  26. brotheryochanan profile image61
    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

    Gawd some people are just a broken record in this kinda forum lol

    Oh wait!!! I've read the bible... the answer is so simple a chook should know it. lol.

    What does god hate is the question.
    You've heard of "love the sinner but hate the sin".
    God hates sin.
    God loves humans whom he created and sent his only begotten son, that WHOSOEVER (meaning anybody) believes in him (jesus) should NOT PERISH but have everLASTING life.

    Not a hard question at all.
    Why does god hate sin?
    Because sin messes things up. The only feasible working situation of a society being sucessful is by not sinning. Sin ruins everything. God went to horrendous lengths to keep sin out of what he was trying to do and now look at the worlds condition, just because everybody sins.

    Why will god judge sin and condemn those who do sin?
    Because god still wants the same things he wanted 6000 yrs ago. Utopia on earth, fellowship with man, a smooth running successful society that is happy, a place where he can walk with his creations.

    And before i hear "well he should've left the tree out of the garden then"... he couldn't leave the tree out of the garden because he didnt want robots he wanted people to choose him. Choosing shows love. Love is shown in many ways but choosing to do the things that make another happy is showing love.

    1. C.V.Rajan profile image68
      C.V.Rajanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A nice attempt to explain things. Mostly appealing to me.

      But this:

      "God loves humans whom he created and sent his only begotten son, that WHOSOEVER (meaning anybody) believes in him (jesus) should NOT PERISH but have everLASTING life."

      This "only" son and "believe in him (Jesus)" is the one that keeps many people wondering about the right interpretation of Bible.

      Do you mean to say that God will not accept "any" other as his son (even if he has got all the glorious qualities like Jesus, but belongs to another religion?). What if someone believes some other divine personality (other than Jesus)? will he perish? Will he not be gifted with everlasting life?

      Don't you think by interpreting God like this, you are in fact undermining His omni-potency?

      CV

      1. aguasilver profile image86
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The full quote (and I'm using the Amplified bible to make translation easier)is:

        John 3 16:18

        For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([d]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

        For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him.

        He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation--he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.]

        Probably the best know bible verse of all time, and unfortunately folk normally only quote 3:16 and not the rest.

        But it is definitive in it's statement and clarity, so one assumes that either this (most famous) verse was an error, and God never meant for it to be written, or that God was deadly serious when He 'dictated' it to John.

        Nobody can state who will be saved and who will not, only God knows that for sure, and it's reasonable to assume that folk will be saved by their 'goodness' - until you read this statement in John 3 16:18.

        So each individual decides whether they believe this or not, and our eternal destiny rests on that decision, one way or another.

        If Pantheism is the correct pathway to follow, then all roads do lead to God and we will all meet up in eternity, if it's wrong, well that's the question each person needs to answer.

        For me John 3 16:18 was a slap in the face which led to me knowing that I had to form a conclusion about it's content, my conclusion too about 18 months of study to reach, and I elected that John 3 16:18 was sufficiently correct, especially in conjunction with many other verses, and the fact that by then I had started a personal relationship with Christ.

        So I am convinced, but for each human being, it's a personal choice.

        As for undermining Gods omni-potency, well God can do as He wishes, so if He has decided that Christ was and is His ONLY answer, frankly it matters nothing how many other 'good' men there are in the world to follow.

        We are the clay, not the potter, and He can make of us whatever He wishes, a pot for honour or for disgrace.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not much of a choice there - love and obey me or I will fry you in hell

  27. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Ah yes! The all caring god!
    That would be this one...

    My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out.   (Exodus 23:23 NAB)

    Such a gentle sweet way to deal with troublemakers!

  28. brotheryochanan profile image61
    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

    Lets see a person shoots 11 people at random in a city square? whats the penalty in our society?

    We have some penalties for outrageous behavior in societies. The death penalty is still around and used when necessary. Why can't god use the death penalty too? Just because we are so civilized? Early mankind was not so civilized. Warring, conquering, pillaging, raping was common to every nationality except israel, gods people. As israel wandered in the desert the amalekites picked off the stragglers at the end of the procession, the tired and weak of walking. Egypt wanted israel back as slaves and were willing to kill to get them. The amorites were murderers just for the sake of murdering, etc. The other nations did not have gods that taught them meekness, but cruelty and greed. Gods people were just trying to obey god and live according to gods humane rules at a time in history when savagery was rampant. Fire with fire, live by the sword, die by the sword.. god is fair.
    To Always be pinning death to god and saying he's unjustified is really just ignorance in a typed arrogant form of personal anger. And to repeat it over and over and over again shows inability to learn a new thing and an inordinate disdain for understanding.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Who's savagery? His subjects? The species he created? An omnipotent god who cant even get the serotonin levels right and then blames his own creations when they screw up??
      lol Parent badly then kill all your kids for being bad kids? lol

      1. brotheryochanan profile image61
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        wow is this post ever out in left field. It is just wrong on so many levels I have to wash my hands and shake the dust off my feet.

        I so wanna answer this though. The savagery of the NON worshippers of god. Gods subjects were peaceful. Yes he created the species but remember the garden? and how because mankind, and yes there was more than just adam and eve, chose to (a little)leaven(leavens the whole lump) the garden life with sin, he released them or today god would be hovering over us constantly and yelling in our ears, don't do that! a dictator in short, i'm sure you can see that. By being invisible and non-forceful he allows us our freedoms of choice and choosing which shows mans love for god in return he certainly shows his love for those that choose him. As for serotonin, the levels were fine in the garden but if everyone were magically made whole and healthy how would that help us be close to god? Would not sin abound more due to everybody being in awesome healthy shape? This might be kinda deep for you and reflecting on past posts we have had, i really don't want to spend much time because i know you will come up with a 30 second thought filled three liner a smiley face and sit back and think you are the best you can be, for this wonderful answer. awwww geeez, i answered it.

        1. Daniel Carter profile image91
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Earnest is hard hitting because he's a critical thinker. If it weren't for people like he, Mark Knowles and many more, we'd still be in pre WWI medical thinking without knowledge how germs are spread, effectiveness of penicillin and much more.

          We ARE supposed to question everything and take nothing for granted. Otherwise, we would never be able arrive at facts. We'd operate on what we were told to believe and on superstition.

          The key is to understand that shaking it up is not about destroying, it's about fact finding. When facts are derived, truth can be ascertained. When truth is embraced, we begin to make peace with reality.

          Perhaps both of you have points that are completely valid, but it's up to each individual to determine for himself/herself.

          Hence, we are not curse to each other, despite our very opposing views. We are benefit to each other for causing such reflection and evaluation.

          1. brotheryochanan profile image61
            brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Show me a fact in any posts of the poster in question

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What's the sense in showing you any fact, because you won't pay attention to them anyways. hmm

              1. brotheryochanan profile image61
                brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol
                Love your sense of haha.

            2. Daniel Carter profile image91
              Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              With all due respect, you would argue with whatever "facts" were provided, it seems. I think your need to argue and  be right for yourself is greater than your need to review any facts. And I'm not intending this as a sarcastic slap-your-face reply. I just see plainly that's where it is.

              1. brotheryochanan profile image61
                brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I think you are wrong. My question was not a brainstumper.. all you have to go is go to the profile, check out the hubbers activity and find some fact for me. thats all.
                Not hard. Your reluctance to comply and then to slander my good approach is reprehensible. You see only to slide out of a sticky situation.

      2. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Its called the cosmic joke earnesthub.Crack the code of life to discover it.

      3. brotheryochanan profile image61
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So ya have a baby and he grows up to be a crackhead, drop out of school loser with a horrid girlfriend, but yet the master of all love says, come live in my house. So they do and the couple don`t wanna work they want to laze around all day long and eat off the tree of knowledge and then partake of eternal life so theres no gettin rid of em, because your not allowed to kill and ya can`t punish them either.
        I like the box you have put god in, its sooo cute you believe that.

        1. Daniel Carter profile image91
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          If you put mentally unstable homeless people in a glistening mansion, how do you suppose they would care for it? Do you think they'd want to live there?

          I don't think it's about what God does to us, I think it's about what we do to ourselves. We limit ourselves. God doesn't have anything to do with it. We choose our happiness, our surroundings in most cases. If we don't like them, we leave. I don't think there is a God who thrusts us to hell. Doesn't make sense. We do to ourselves by living.

  29. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    No, it's all plain enough to an open mind. smile

  30. Dorothee-Gy profile image80
    Dorothee-Gyposted 6 years ago

    Imagine... There were no death...

    Imagine... instead of dying, we'd just go home to where we came from, rejoicing in the glory of liquid love and harmony...

    Imagine... we'd give someone the "death penalty", and in the moment we pull the trigger, we send them to heaven, and they have the best experience of their whole, miserable life...

    Wouldn't that be a curve ball for us short minded humans, who think this bit of earth life is all there is? Imagine there were something, 10 times, no, 100 times, no, thousand times more beautiful, peaceful, loving, delicious, glorious, unspeakable marvellous that awaits us when we cross this threshold.

    No one of us can say it is not there... Many people had glimpses of it... they come back and talk about the overwhelming peace and love they experienced... So, what are we doing now???

    Our ultimate penalty suddenly turns out to be the best we could do for them. What??? So what can we then do??? Nothing... That's the trick. Letting them live is the biggest penalty of all, and it kills us in return, since we have to feed them, to wash them, to give them health care, to heat in the winter, to build bigger buildings in order to be able to deal with all of them who behave wrong in OUR eyes. What a trap!!!

    This thought always makes me smile. We can't win against evil by suppression, since the evil is IN US and our judgement and when we fight it, we fight AGAINST OURSELVES. We can only love and forgive and try to understand, and to raise our frequency until we are not a match to it anymore, but we can never extinguish it by suppressing this part of human nature.

    What you do to your brother, you do to yourself. What a delicious game... Life is a mirror...

  31. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    That's works too.  It was just that you were so quick to answer for Bez, which maybe think you were interested in a good debate. 

    Earnestshub, we have tango before, and I've seen many of your posts. 

    You should know by now that I'm not a bible pusher, and I do not cram Jesus Christ down peoples throats.  Still, the bible was written by a man's hand.  Who that man/men were, hell we don't know.  However- they were human.

    As stated before my perception of God, is that he is not human.  Therefore, I do not feel he would lower himself to such a "human emotion."

    God does not hate.  And quoting scripture is useless.  The freaking book is nothing but stories told by humans.

    Furthermore, I realize you do not even believe.  So a conversation between us is pointless really.  Don't you agree?

    I know you are not going to change your opinion of Christ and God, just because I argue the points that God doesn't hate.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yep! That about sums it up. smile

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        smilewink

    2. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We actually agree to some extent. smile
      The pathetic little biblical sky fairy is not only a crock, if it were real it would be in jail!

      If I were to assume a higher intelligence it would need to be  one helluva lot smarter than any god I have read about. God and megalomania seem to be the same thing.

      I would be very unlikely to worship a god. A god worth it's salt certainly would make itself known to all and be smart enough not to force people to worship it on threat of death.

  32. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy317/mlmvicbc/eatingpopcorn.gif

    1. the pink umbrella profile image72
      the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lmao

    2. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You are incorrigible. And I LOVE it so much....

  33. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Intimate, you wrote.

    "As stated before my perception of God, is that he is not human.  Therefore, I do not feel he would lower himself to such a "human emotion.God does not hate.  And quoting scripture is useless.  The freaking book is nothing but stories told by humans."



    Why assign a god at all then? The "evidence" provided for the idea of a god is in the bible or quoran.If you think they are a pile of hate filled psychosis, where would your god come from, and why believe in one? smile

  34. Cagsil profile image83
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    You know, I have been good and stayed out of this thread(up till now), simply on the basis that it makes no sense.

    "If god is love, doesn't that mean he doesn't hate?" Is ridiculous in the first place, when you put it into perspective.

    A supposed supreme "creator" or a "god" would have such an intelligence, unmeasurable by anything known to humanity.

    With that said, and as IE already said- it/he/she or whatever, would be above such tripe known as human emotions(hate). This would also apply to "love".

    Thus, it concludes that it/he/she or whatever, is neither and cannot, nor would, have human emotions of any kind.

    Have a great day.

    1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
      ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wait wait wait . .
      Wouldn't this God have created a universe after His own ideals?
      And, having said that, wouldn't He want to create beings that were made in his own image?
      Furthermore, if those beings were made in His own image, wouldn't you think that this Being possessed every emotion in it's purest form?

      1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
        ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Also, why would you consider love an emotion?
        I believe it is something much deeper than mere emotion.
        Rather, a decision. A choice.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Emotions are a human description of responses created by cause and effect, for which, humans have not full control of.
          Emotions are not a choice. wink

      2. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hello Rae smile

        Why would it/he/she waste it's own time and effort to create something flawed? Not a great idea from something supposedly perfect.
        See above.
        No, it would be above any form of emotion, because it's perfect. Emotions are flaws in many aspects, with regards to humans. Flawed emotions within perfection is a flawed theory in and of itself. wink

        1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
          ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wouldn't you think that He would create something good and perfect, but over time since it was not completely God (what would be the point in creating another God?) it would eventually deteriorate.
          And emotions can be perfect. Unless they are used by humans. We are the ones who misuse emotions. If God had emotions, they would be in their most perfect form.

          1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
            ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And about love,
            it isn't an emotion, really, if you think about it.

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Actually it is. You're thinking too much of it.

          2. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And, you're basing that on what? You yourself said, in it/his/her own image. That would mean same, exact same.
            Perfect? No rationalize thinking can make emotions perfect. Humans are flawed.

            Again, you overlooked the fact that emotions are the effect, that comes from a cause. Like I said- "cause and effect" rules apply.
            If a god/it/he/she had emotions, then it/he/she would be flawed and not perfect.

            1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
              ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Love really isn't. Infatuation is.

              And not exactly - in His image would mean something similar to him. Not him exactly because only He would be perfect. Any imitation which fell only vaguely short of being exactly like Him or, in essence, the exact same Being as Him would be considered flawed because they fail to meet His standard.
              And how does cause and effect make anything imperfect? A God with emotions would still be perfect because that Being would define perfection - whatever He is would be perfect no matter what we think or what anyone believed. He would be the definition of perfection because He would be the first Being in existence - the One who created everything.

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                This statement truly shows you do not understand human beings or love. smile Sorry to say, but that be the truth.

                1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
                  ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I disagree.
                  This statement proves that you are the one who does not.

                  1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
                    ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Also, I find it interesting that you summed up that entire statement and just told me I was wrong.
                    You ran out of contradictions.

                  2. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    More B.S.!

        2. Daniel Carter profile image91
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          But if emotions are flaws, cags, why do you believe in compassion, understanding, etc? Doesn't the idea of emotions based in love (compassion, etc.,) mean that these are actually flaws as well? They are emotion driven in every instance that I can think of.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Daniel, first off please don't confuse the two you put together- compassion is understanding other people's plight. True understanding is not an emotion it is wisdom to know better.
            Emotions are flaws because it derives both strength and weakness, but it's unrealized by the individual at the time of the emotion. Usually due to a lack of wisdom.
            Emotion drives no one. Wisdom which brings truth to the fore-front of the mind is what drives people.

            1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
              ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I agree with you - compassion is often confused with an emotion just as love is. Compassion is a choice - to empathize and care. Love is a choice - to care for someone no matter what you feel emotionally towards them at the time.
              And you are right again - emotions are unrealized due to a lack of wisdom. But combined with wisdom, they can be taken under control and used to drive someone. God holds boundless wisdom along with emotion.

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I'll agree here.
                STOP IT! You do not have a choice who you love. Example: You cannot choose who you FALL in love with. It's a feeling/emotion that overwhelms the senses when it happens.

                There is no god.

                "god" is a metaphor, specifically used for gaining wisdom, which leads to truth- love self and master self.

                1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
                  ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually you can choose who you love.
                  "Falling" in love is a bunch of crap. If you can fall into love, you can fall out of it just as easily. You can fall into lust, and you can fall into infatuation, but love is deeper and stronger than that. If you've experienced real love, you will know what i'm talking about.
                  Love self? Master self? Impossible without God.
                  If there is no God, there is no purpose to life.
                  No reason to master yourself or to love.
                  It's all useless.

                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Which proves it is not a choice. wink
                    Lust is infatuation. wink
                    I've been in love, yes real love with three women in my life. So, I know and understand it.

                    B.S.!
                    More B.S.! Purpose is for you to determine. Nothing else is required. No god required.
                    More B.S.! It shows you do not understand nor gained any sort of wisdom from life as of yet. The reason one would master oneself is to self-improve. tongue

                2. karobi profile image73
                  karobiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  cagsil I am surprise peoople are saying they do not have control over emotion and feelings. This is where a lot things are missed up. Of course God created man to be able to have dominion over everything concerning him and his surroundings when you are connected to your creator. But the problem is that man is always disconnecting himself from his source, then if you do how can you actually control your emotion because you don't have the capability. For instance, if anyone just wake up one morning and said I can stay on my own I do not need air again, he is looking for trouble. That exactly most us are doing. S if you rely on your own understanding Cog you can't control emotion but if rely on divine knowledge of the Almighty God yes you can control emotion.
                  Thanks

                  1. Beelzedad profile image59
                    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Maybe that is the inherent problem with our world and why we tend to destroy it. Perhaps, we should not have dominion over anything but ourselves? smile

  35. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Hi Deborah! He didn't seem to think much of mankind! smile

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Earnest.
      I always reply with scripture when people use scripture.
      I came out of Christianity when I was 18.
      But I am still amazed how people don't understand the meaning behind the words.
      All scripture and all mythology have the same meaning/message.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed. smile

      2. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Very interesting and insightful comment, Deborah. I agree that many stories, legends, myths, etc., have the same messages as the scriptures. So then, it does cause me to wonder if they are all a collection of man's attempt to make sense of all the things he doesn't really understand, or fails to see, or can't quite comprehend. Therefore, the power in their collective meaning.

  36. angieswf profile image61
    angieswfposted 6 years ago

    Interesting topic.. Proverbs 6: 16-19

    16) These six things doth the Lord (God) hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    17)A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18)An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, (plotting evil)
    19)A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among bretheren (spreads strife).

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    God is a universal consciousness, an energy divided into every living thing. Therefore, it's capable of being molded according to the intentions of one or many people. If you get a thousand children and teach them how to hate, together they will be able of terrible things because there is a higher concentration of universal consciousness among a thousand souls than in one single person. That's why it's so important that we all pray for the healing of mankind and our planet. And why it's so important to teach our children to be compassionate from an early age.

  38. mandarkaranjkar profile image62
    mandarkaranjkarposted 6 years ago

    In reality,god does not hate...or rather it can be said that god cannot hate.The hate here in the world is created by human beings and not by the pure god....and this also does not mean that every being is not a part of god....he absolutely is but due some ignorance,he is away from the fact that he is god....hence he is love....

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      In reality, you need to learn more and also become more wiser.

      There is no god.

      1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
        ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "More wiser"?
        Wisdom is accepting God, not rejecting truth.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          B.S!

  39. Cagsil profile image83
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Hey Rae,

    Understand one thing- NO GOD is required to love and live life.

    If you think so, then obvious you lack the understanding of living life.

    End of story!

    1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image59
      ohmygoodnessraeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Translation: you've run out of arguements because even the foolish recognize truth when they hear it.
      It angers them and they reject it by shouting "STOP IT" and "BS!".

      That is all I have to say. I'm finished with this debate.

  40. Apostle Jack profile image60
    Apostle Jackposted 6 years ago

    Hate only means to strongly disagree.To reject
    what upsets the flow and order of things that is LOVE.

  41. C.V.Rajan profile image68
    C.V.Rajanposted 6 years ago

    The time span as well as mental capacity of man with which he judges the acts of God are highly limited. God's canvas is much bigger and much wider, spread beyond the vision of man.

    With his limitations, man tends to judge acts of God and segregates it saying "this is love" and "this is hate". He tends to declare judgment: "since this act of God seems to be done in hate, you cannot say God is love".

    Saints and sages are ones who have divine communion with God and hence their vision is very very wide. It's they that declare "God is love" because, they understand that in the larger picture, even "acts of hate" are truly "acts of love" which ordinary mortals cannot comprehend.

    "How can you hold 4 liters of milk in a can of one liter capacity?" - Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God is an energy that consists of everything that is Creation. That being the case, such energy can be shifted towards wonderful results such as discoveries, love, and kindness... or chaotic ones such as greed, hate, and cruelty towards others living beings and the planet. God is not a separate deity. That is why when you get thousands of people praying for something specific you get better results than when it's one single person. More energy is being used towards that particular result. Same thing when some religious fanatics brood hate by the thousand. They teach children to hate and it is this God-energy being used to destroy that makes groups such Al Qaeda so devastating.

  42. Bibowen profile image90
    Bibowenposted 6 years ago

    Nothing has been given here that would provide a logical inconsistency between the statements "God is love" and "God hates." God's central character upon which all other characteristics hang appears to be His holiness. God is love, but the Bible also says that God is just, God is merciful, God is jealous, and God is angry. As for saying God "transcends love and hate" this is just Nietzschian nonsense. There is no reason to think that hate is only a human emotion. And even atheists must think that hate has some value; they're constantly dumping it throughout the forums.

    As I have said, the most perfect being would hate what is evil. He would not love it and He would not be indifferent to it. Does a good man hate slavery or love it? How about child abuse: love it or hate it? I'm not asking atheists this question b/c they have no right or wrong to lean on, but I think a Christian should be able to answer this. A good man hates slavery, poverty, and child abuse.

    For the response that "God cannot hate what he creates," this also is senseless. Given free will, God could certainly hate the results of what His creation chooses. Evil is the wrong use of free will; it is the taking of a gift and perverting it. As a good being, God hates it.


    For the response that "God cannot hate what he creates," this also is senseless. Given free will, God could certainly hate the results of what His creation chooses. Evil is the wrong use of free will; it is the taking of a gift and perverting it. As a good being, God hates it.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting that you are unable to discuss your belief in a deity without attacking those of us who do not believe.

      Also interesting that you think atheists cannot tell the difference between right or wrong. Odd you do not see why you saying this will almost certainly provoke a negative reaction from those of us capable of discerning right from wrong without needing to reference a bronze age book. And last time I checked - your book condoned slavery.

      Your assertions as to the feelings of your invisible super being are not really worth responding to, but it sounds awfully like an ordinary guy the way you describe it. Laughable that there can be an "evil use of free will." Guess it ain't so free after all huh? wink

      I must admit - I have never understood the ridiculous assertion that god is a good being. According to who? You? Dear me.

      Shocked they allow you in a classroom. sad

      1. Bibowen profile image90
        Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        For an atheist, there is no right and wrong. "Right" and "wrong" are mere opinions. For the atheist, slavery is a choice; he has no ground to stand on to condemn it. And, I'd be quiet about the issue of slavery; atheists are latecomers to the topic.

        As for the status of slavery in the Bible, you are mistaken...


        I'm Shocked! Shocked!
        http://lh6.ggpht.com/_90-7gfbA4VM/Sa-9VYOZ4-I/AAAAAAAAAYk/lulGeOmuj6M/Rains3_thumb.jpg

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes - my right and wrong are "mere" opinions. And everything is a choice for me - yes. The fact that I choose to do the right thing without the threat of punishment by the Invisible Super Daddy proves the superior moral and ethical standards of atheists compared to you and your ilk. Thank you for pointing that out.

          Your "right" and "wrong Are also "mere" opinions - they are just not your opinions. Clearly you are unable to think of opinions for yourself. Sadly the goat herder that wrote your opinions for you was unable to imagine the future. Sorry dude - You speak for you. No one else.

          You have no authority. None.

          1. Bibowen profile image90
            Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Your error is in saying that "I choose to do the right thing." But, what is the "right choice" for an atheist? It's whatever he chooses. He lacks a basis to say what's right and wrong beyond his choices, just one reason why he's not trustworthy. And, you don't have to thank me for pointing these things out; I'll do it for free.

            When I say that it's wrong for the Nazis to have skinned Jews alive, is that just my opinion or is there something more to it than that? They may be my opinions, but they're not just "my opinions." They are my opinions and they are right. It's my mere opinion that a t-bone is better than a ribeye; it's not my mere opinion to say that what Jeffrey Dahmer did was wrong.

            In fact, it's only your opinion that it's merely my opinion. As an atheist, that's really all you have (and probably the reason for all the bluster). As a believer, I stand on a body of truths that are absolute, objective and obvious, even to goat herders.

            Oh......you don't need authority when you're right.

          2. wifelv profile image60
            wifelvposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Where did you get your right and wrong from?

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Mark, I got a job for you. We are putting a little group of paranormal researchers. We need a photographer that can capture images of spirits and orbs. What do you say? wink

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am quick. If they are there - I will capture them. wink

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            klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If you were to capture some unexplained ghostly vision with your camera, would you try to give it a scientific explanation too? or would you open your mind to the idea that spirits may exist afterall? Just curious... tongue

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I would at the very least try to open the mind of those who profess ghosts and spirits. smile

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                klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                how about trying to convince the spirits that they are not real? You'll have a full time job there! Good luck! big_smile

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  How about showing me one first, then we'll talk. smile

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                    klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    If you never get to see one, I promise to go find you if I die first. I'll drag you out of bed if I have to! But then again, you are the one covered in gray hair. wink

            2. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I never said spirits don't exist did I? Where am I supposed to have said that? I am sure there are many things that exist that I do not know about.

              Although, I am not sure that - if they do - they would choose to interact with us. Why would they?

              Either way - I would certainly try and find an explanation - scientific or other wise - but would not necessarily jump to the conclusion that it was a "spirit" if I could not immediately find one.

              What is a "spirit" by the way?

              1. aguasilver profile image86
                aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "What is a "spirit" by the way?"

                It's what we either fight against or succumb to dependent upon whether we are spiritually alive or dead.

                The 'real' world is spiritual, good ones and bad ones, this life is just a test bed to see whether we are a live or dead spirit, bit like those light bulb testers in the electrical store, the dead bulbs get trashed and the live ones get given out to serve until the filament burns out.

                But we all return to spirit form in the end, as either 'duds' or live ones.

                1. bsscorpio8 profile image60
                  bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  spirit |ˈspirit|
                  noun
                  1 the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character; the soul : we seek a harmony between body and spirit.
                  • such a part regarded as a person's true self and as capable of surviving physical death or separation : a year after he left, his spirit is still present.
                  • such a part manifested as an apparition after their death; a ghost.
                  • a supernatural being : shrines to nature spirits.
                  • ( the Spirit) short for Holy Spirit .
                  • archaic a highly refined substance or fluid thought to govern vital phenomena.
                  2 [in sing. ] those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period : the university is a symbol of the nation's egalitarian spirit.
                  • [with adj. ] a person identified with their most prominent mental or moral characteristics or with their role in a group or movement : he was a leading spirit in the conference.

                2. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Cannot answer the question then?

                  Religionist nonsense and I am not buying it - Sorry.

              2. luvpassion profile image59
                luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "there are many things that exist that I do not know about."

                Road-sign

                                                                 WELCOME
                                                                         to
                                                         THE  TWILIGHT ZONE!

                wink

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                klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know Mark, maybe because they want to pose for a picture?
                Either way,  a ghost can appear anytime anywhere... you just need to read the signs!

                http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af94/ljfi/funny/Ghost_Egg.jpg

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh - I have "seen" several.Conjured one on purpose once, and scared myself and everyone else within earshot shitless. lol

                  You just need to understand why you can "see" them sometimes. wink

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                    klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No, seriously... I do believe.. it's just that I tend to laugh at everything and anything. smile Leaving the forum now... have to do lunch for my Spirit Guide who has been anemic since 1865. Talk to you later... Byezzz!

                  2. luvpassion profile image59
                    luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You don't strike me as someone who'd scare easily -Perhaps the one you conjured was the Holy Ghost and that's what scared you.

                    It would explain alot. wink

              4. wifelv profile image60
                wifelvposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                One thing you guys can't do who are not filled with the spirit of God is cast out spirits! HA!  In the name of Jesus We have authority over those spirits and they come screaming out of people.  You will quickly believer once you get in the presence of true evil and you have not way to protect yourself from them.  Only the Blood of Jesus can make them bow down.

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow! You know some spooky people!
                  Are they all religious by any chance? lol

        2. Bibowen profile image90
          Bibowenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Since you're trying to capture the unseen, how about the wind and the kind atheist...

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The wind is nothing more than the atmosphere in motion, and we can observe the entire makeup of the atmosphere. They do teach this stuff in high school, you know.  smile

    2. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Okay, now you've got me really confused. wink

      "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46)

      1. wifelv profile image60
        wifelvposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hummm, Beelzedad you know about child trafficking?  How so?

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The bible tells me so. smile

  43. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    As far as slavery goes??  We are all slaves to someone or something.

      Some masters feed and house their slaves better than others.

      As an old song went...  "Everybodys gotta serve somebody"

    1. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You were actually sold and bought by someone? Sorry to hear that dude. smile

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Actually you, too. Your government owns you...

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly !!!

  44. wildorangeflower profile image56
    wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago

    If he is everything and everywhere he could also Hate

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God is an energy, a blank canvas. We (humans) are the ones that use the canvas to give it direction and vision. So, yes... God is everywhere and in everything, but it's not capable of hating. We are the only ones that hate. Animals don't hate. They just do what nature dictates.... Although... I did have that vicious parakeet... hmmm... I wonder! hmm

      1. wildorangeflower profile image56
        wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        what if God has real emotions, does it mean he goes crazy because he knows what his emotions will be and try to circumvent it, he plays with his own emotions and mind, this is true if God is real  -- we don't know if he is real, we don't know if he is unreal. We don't know if he is a flesh.

  45. bsscorpio8 profile image60
    bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago

    If God is capable of jealousy, why would this same God not be capable of hate? Two emotions that are associated with we mortal humans.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Gods jealousy   is kinda like the kind of jealousy that you feel when your hear your son or daughter calls their new step dad..  "DADDY".

        You love your child enough to not kill them or their new "DADDY".

        The kind of jealousy that ya don't do anything with but feel hurt.

      1. bsscorpio8 profile image60
        bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jealousy is jealousy.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, no - god's jealousy is something we cannot comprehend. Well - except Jerami can. smile

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            kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            smile

          2. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I don't understand!  But any attempt to understand just a small aspect of God is better than to not even try.
               How can anyone accept or reject something that they do not even try to understand.
               The reality of what jealousy is, is revealed in the behavior that follows that feeling..

      2. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So, now you think the Invisible Super Daddy wot created a Universe we can barely begin to grasp the immensity of..........

        gets hurt when we worship another god?

        Dear oh dear. If I am going to worship something - I want it to be invincible............  or at least tougher than I am. lol

  46. aguasilver profile image86
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    No need to apologise, we expect nothing less from you!

  47. paradigmsearch profile image90
    paradigmsearchposted 6 years ago

    "If God is love, doesn't that mean he doesn't hate?"

    Give it a rest.

  48. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Yes, gods love!
    Here is some of gods love, straight from the "good book" as usual. smile

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    Nasty crazy little god! lol

    1. C.V.Rajan profile image68
      C.V.Rajanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "Next time I see you playing with that Electric Iron box, I will cut off your fingers" says the father to his mischievous son. Does it mean he is really going to do it?

      Scriptures are for all sorts of people. Some can understand the essence of teaching easily. Some dull heads are to be drilled into. Some adamant ones need a threat to make them understand and behave. (Or behave even if they don't understand!)

      I believe scripture wordings at different pages pertain to different class of people applicable to the different historical times when they were spoken.

  49. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    What sort of people are all the death threats aimed at? Gullible ones? smile
    The "essence" is fear and control. Why would an omnipotent being have to use threats of death to deal with it's children?

    I don't have to do that with my children. Logic and reasons do the job perfectly well.
    No, we are dealing with psychosis in the bible and quoran. smile
    There are lot's of parents who do the same as their god does with their kids.
    Nothing 6 years of therapy can't fix! lol

    1. C.V.Rajan profile image68
      C.V.Rajanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is very nice that you were gifted with obedient, ever understanding and respecting children with good common sense!

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Actually they were all self obsessed narcissistic little tyrants! lol
        Like all children up until around 7 year old can be at times.

        It is a matter of having the time and patience, and enough adult maturity not to project our own shortcomings on them. smile

        I have allowed them their narcissism until they get past 7 years old.
        It is time consuming, expensive, difficult and takes all the love and patience we have to allow our children freedom in their growth, but it allows them to be a lot calmer rational adults in my opinion.
        My adult children are loving parents, productive and good citizens. smile
        I am thankful though, it wasn't easy sailing all the way. smile

  50. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    You being the honour, non-believers being the disgrace. Seems a little unfair somehow! lol

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Amazing isn't it? They feel very comfortable telling people they think they are honorable and any one else is a disgrace - and then get surprised that this hypocrisy and hubris causes ill will and animosity.

      It really is a despicable belief system - and it attracts the worst sort of unethical, amoral people. Especially this born again nonsense that people like this proudly shout from the rooftops.

      Sad. They do not even understand that they have become exactly what their book warns them about. sad

      1. Diane Inside profile image87
        Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        yes you are so right......

    2. aguasilver profile image86
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Who said which was which?

      You assume the worse case in your zealous hatred of God.

      The illustration is that God decides, not you or me.... so whether you have turned out to be an 'honourable' atheist or a 'disgraced' believer, you are what you are because God decided to make you that.

      Interesting that both you and Mark can ONLY think to twist things to denigrate God and His word, and have become blinded by your vitriolic hatred of God, and people of God.

      Hmmmmmm..... roll

      1. The Darkened One profile image60
        The Darkened Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If God is Love...

        http://www.toonpool.com/user/613/files/god_is_love_-_use_condoms_419245.jpg

        1. shazwellyn profile image83
          shazwellynposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          oops... this one is going to add to contraversy *blush*

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL

            I wonder if this would be classed as erotophonophilia as he was in the process of killing himself as another person, or asphyxophilia - as I understand that what kills you when crucified is asphyxiation when you cannot hold your self up any more.

            All in all a loving god to have made this happen. I can feel the love all the way over here.

            I didn't mention the words "well hung" did I? lol

      2. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nah! You just go off like a lunch in the sun when someone challenges your fairy belief!

        You give yourself and your invisible friend far too much credit.

      3. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nothing funny about it that I can see. The sort of nonsense you just penned provides a clear enough reason why I avoid religionists like dog poo. smile
        I don't do hate, that is your area of expertise.

 
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