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Should Psychics live off giving people messages from the spirit world?

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    I was watching some videos of Sylvia Browne where she delivers messages that were completely wrong as she tries to describe someone's death, etc.  I asked myself this question - Can psychics be so confident in what they do to think they can receive messages from the other side whenever they want? Are psychics in control of their ability or is the knowledge revealed to them only in those situations where the spirit needs to communicate? By making a living as a psychic they put themselves in a situation where all costumers' questions and concerns must be answered all the time. Is this possible?

    1. Polly C profile image87
      Polly Cposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No, answers are not given all the time, not even to the most attuned psychics. I absolutely do not doubt that some people have psychic ability and can use it to help others, because I have personally known two people with the most incredible abilities, and being psychic is only a part of it.  A pyschic can only ask for answers, but they are not in control of their abilities, they are only open to certain energies that most people are not. And some have much higher ability than others. The two people that I have known were psychic right from childhood.

      I know that many people do not believe in such things, but having encountered certain things in my life that are too personal for me to want to share online, I will never doubt that some people do have this gift. Of course, there are also many people who claim to have psychic abilities and really don't, or at least not to the level that they claim...

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Amen to that!

    2. belmaund profile image59
      belmaundposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I work as a full time psychic and have studied metaphysics for almost 30 years.  A person can only translate the messages they receive from their own individual library of symbols.  We communicate using words for the most part and can only communicate when we share the same definition of the words we use.  This is where communication fails.  I have been asked questions that are difficult to answer unless the question is rephrased and in my opinion (and we know what they say about opinions) is something that has a shared understanding or meaning in the definition.  such as: "Is this forever?" 

      All psychics do not speak to the dead.  In my experience I do not always make a connection to each person who has passed over.  I do not know why, but those I have reached have shown me things that have made sense to the person who I am reading for at the time.  I do not advertise that I am a medium just for this reason, because I personally cannot guarantee a connection.  There are many forms or modalities where a psychic gathers their information and only the client can determine trust in who they receive this information from.  Finding a psychic to work with is like finding a pair of shoes that fit or a physician you like and feel comfortable with and trust. 

      Each psychic is unique and receives their information thru many different ways. 

      Clairvoyance is seeing pictures or possibly a few seconds of video-like scenes.

      Clairaudient is hearing....not with the ears....with the mind.  This is difficult to explain except by saying, "Have you ever heard thoughts inside your mind?"  Some people call this your conscious.  I for one believe I do hear Spirit speak to me but there is no way for me to prove this and I do not try.  This is something I treasure greatly and has helped me much in life.

      Clairsentient is a gut feeling.  Have you ever just known something deep inside yourself?  You may not be able to prove it, but you know it is true.  Like a gut instinct when you find yourself lost and know which direction to go, or just somehow know you are being told a fib.

      Some psychics use tarot or astrology as well as several other methods.

      Some people have dreams that can be referred to as prophetic or may dream of a loved one who has passed on.

      ...and yes I agree with your statement about NOT always having the answer to each and every question asked, but there are certain guidelines or rules in our world that when respected, honored and followed... the answer to any question can be found easily.

      To say to another...what they believe is wrong (not that you are doing this) is not only disrespectful, but hurtful.  Not all psychics come from a spiritual foundation and may only answer questions.  The psychics I work with, as well as myself, all come from many years of personal spiritual study and growth.  We not only answer questions, we attempt to validate, empower, and educate our clients from a foundation of oneness and unity.  After all, in the eyes of God, we are all One.

      The "job" of the psychic is to empower, uplift, educate, validate, and hopefully help to better define your true goal, while helping to better realize your motivation in desiring this particular goal over another.

      We all cope with life in our own way.  Some get advice from a friend or someone they consider wise.  Some have a psychologist they speak with to receive guidance and some prefer to receive guidance from a spiritual advisor because they prefer that particular areana over another.  Personally I choose spirituality as the foundation from which I live my life and it has worked great for me. 

      Is it possible for someone to truly be psychic?  What is your definition of psychic?  What is mine?  What is the truth?

      God made us all unique for a reason and the answer to that question is still only someone's opinion.  We may agree with it and we may not.....and yet each opinion is uniquely our personal truth.

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        belmaund, thanks for sharing your point of view. To me, someone who empowers, uplifts, educates, and helps people is a spiritual advisor, not a psychic. Anyone can have the acquired knowledge from years reading and studying and can share that wisdom with others. There is nothing wrong with that. We need good spiritual leaders that can help people overcome problems by offering good advice and giving hope. But to me a psychic is someone who receives messages that pertain to someone's life when least expected and that can be validated without beating round the bush. This whole psychic thing has become a joke in my opinion. Now you can get certified as a psychic?!  I don't get it! This is something that you are born with, not a career of choice! We all are born with this talent but I want to know who wrote to book on how to be a certified psychic?! This is basically saying - to be trusted you must have a certificate - all the good psychics I've met are uncertified and don't make a living out of doing this. In fact, they are as shocked as I am about this idea of certification. It baffles me as much as those spiritual advisors that list their titles - Dr. Wayne Dyer to name one - I love his teachings but I don't understand how he can preach about humility and trying to focus on your spiritual achievements rather than the material and professional ones, and he still uses Dr. before his name. It could be an idea of the publisher, but still... I would have taken it out completely.

        I am not judging you by any means. I think many people in this field have never stopped to think about this. That's why I wanted to create this forum.

      2. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly, sometimes you hit and other times you miss, this is the result of pure guesswork.



        No, finding a psychic is like finding someone who can flap their arms and fly, they don't exist. smile



        Only within their imaginations, nothing more.



        You might pretend this to be real, but it's only voices in your head and nothing more.



        Gut feeling can often be wrong, they are hit and misses just like everything else involved in guesswork.



        All of those methods are still just guesswork with hits and misses.



        Actually, it is more hurtful to go around perpetuating the nonsense of psychic as something that is real.

         

        Sorry, but guesswork is fairly useless and only serves to make things worse.



        Sure, if you're bilking people out of their hard earned money, it would be great for you, but not for anyone else. 



        Absolutely not. It violates the physical laws of our universe and has already been shown to be fraudulent and useless. Anyone who claims to be a psychic has a better chance of flapping their arms and flying or walking through solid walls.

        There are no such things as psychics. smile

        1. Dave Barnett profile image60
          Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You sound like someone trying to convince yourself that all is known, more, all is known to you. Psychic ability comes in varying degrees, and no, they don't give out Nobels or any other kind of prizes for physical abilities. Clarvoyance is so fractured, that to prevent an occurrence from happening is impossible. Not enough data. You have to take what is given. Some matters are monetary, some are not, so you must rely on judgement to determine the value to yourself, or the value to someone else. If done purely for amusement, then by all means, every performer should be paid.

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If that's what you believe, but you are wrong.



            You sound like someone trying to convince yourself... wink



            They would give a Nobel to anyone who could demonstrate those abilities as it would falsify a number of physical laws.



            Exactly, they are just performers; ie. pretenders. smile

      3. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Really good answer belmaund smile

    3. sarmack profile image60
      sarmackposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How do you know the woman giving messages is wrong?  It the woman is a Prophet, she will be speaking in code.  If you don't know how to translate, you won't Understand her.  A person selling their God-given Spiritual Gifts will not be Blessed of God.  It could be that she is incorrect, but we are not to Judge.  It is best to Accept that she is giving the information as she is Recieving it and no more.  You are Free to believe or not.  Take the information that is useful for you and leave the rest for someone else.
      Things are not always as they appear here on earth, when considering Spiritual events or activities.  Best to leave them to someone more Gifted if you don't have eyes to see the Truth.

    4. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I dont see anything wrong in them earning a living from the gift they have.
      They need to eat ,drink have a roof etc s well.

  2. Shadesbreath profile image90
    Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago

    It's possible to believe it is possible.  The real issue is not whether the psychic is getting word from beyond or not, but whether or not any given psychic has the situational and human awareness to make properly nebulous statements that lead correctly to a place from which their client can access their conscience and find solace.  A good psychic pays attention to their client like a good salesman does and knows when they are losing them or doing harm and can direct the situation toward positive emotional ends.  Bad psychic's are hellbent on proving they actually have powers and thus miss the entire point.

    Just my two cents. Obviously.

    1. belmaund profile image59
      belmaundposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      totally agree with your opinion here and thank you.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That would be perfect if he/she were a spiritual teacher, spiritual advisor, spiritual counselor - not a psychic.

  3. Cagsil profile image83
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Claimed psychics should have their head examined. lol

    1. Shadesbreath profile image90
      Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not really.  There is a whole segment of the populace that believes in spirits and that sort of thing, and a good psychic (whether spirits are real and informing the psychic or the psychic really just has good personal intuition and people reading skills) can tap into that belief system and help that segment of the population deal with grief and anxiety and lots of things.  Like any religion or superstitious belief, there is a real and very practical value in it--the rituals change from one to the next, but the purpose is the same.  Does it matter if the medicine is real or placebo, so long as the patient is cured? What often happens, however, is that, just like with religion, the humans practicing it ruin it more often than not.

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That doesn't make them psychic. It only makes them good at reading people, which has no psychic ability. wink

    2. luvpassion profile image60
      luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's at least as entertaining as TV Wrestling and they make plenty of money doing that. wink

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Cagsil - I checked my head - No lice! wink

    4. Kimberly Bunch profile image60
      Kimberly Bunchposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks since I am a psychic medium. Oh by the way I have had my head examined and was told that I had to accept my psychic abilities.

      So lala to you!

      I will stick my tongue out at you now and walk away.

      Hehee!

      ************************************
      On a serious note: Having such abilities is never easy when there are people in the world like you running around disclaiming everything that isn't in solid form.

      So there!

      big_smile

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    ralwusposted 6 years ago

    Well, there are those employed by police departments that have something going for them. But mostly I recall "Never give a sucker an even chance." or something to that effect.

  5. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

    A thin line between psychic and psycho!

    1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
      PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's a real reptilian looking snake.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, we snakes do tend to appear reptilian!  Care for an apple? It'll make you smart!

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol

        2. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
          PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Appearances for you, Randy, that's all what it's about right? Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

          1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
            PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Look who I'm talking to, some who boasts not having an education.

            1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
              PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Oops, I meant someone (typo). Well, moving along...

            2. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I assume you misread my profile info, PePad!  I didn't say I was uneducated in all fields, just not educated to be a writer.  But I make out okay.  What's your excuse? LOL!

              1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
                PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Actually, I shouldn't have been degrading but your a troll and therefore, I'm going to continue ignoring you.

        3. Dave Barnett profile image60
          Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          snakes make you smart? Or they let you eat things that make you smart? Actually, I think the snake you are talkin' bout Willis, made them stupid. I personally know of an occurrence. Three things were told before they happened. Two came absolutely true, the jury is still out on the third, but it too may have come true (It's the most worrisome of the three.)

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If you get struck by a rattlesnake, you will be smart enough next time not to get too close.  So yes, snakes can make one react more intelligently in a second encounter. 

            Your personal experiences prove nothing to anyone but you.  Do you think you have any psychic powers?

    2. Disturbia profile image59
      Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL, Oh Randy, you can sure say that again!

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There is a thin line between disturbed and psycho! lol

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    Well, I do believe in the ability to communicate with the spirit world. In fact, we all have that ability but very few people develop it. However, most of today's psychics go off talking about messages that are not concise and that can be interpreted in many ways. Most of the time they give generic advice that can apply to anyone like: don't be afraid to be yourself, you have a negative energy around you, etc. They also use psychology to get the answers from their costumers and then they develop on that answer. That's not a true psychic!

  7. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
    PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago

    That ability exists and I argue that we can all tap into it. For some it's easier than for others.

  8. Richieb799 profile image62
    Richieb799posted 6 years ago

    Some clairvoyants give you a choice to donate if you were happy with your reading, if you weren't convinced you don't pay..according to my mum who visited one with a friend who wanted to go.

  9. waynet profile image46
    waynetposted 6 years ago

    Derek Acorah springs to mind, everything about him, just seems fake, yet he makes a fair bit from his psychic mojos!!

    I once got told by a woman who was suspicously called Gypsy Rosa Lee that I would have dealings with a devil entity whatever that meant and a business would fail and then I would come back from the brink of death to redeem myself, which was just a load of balls......cheap ass crystal ball boooolllocks!!

    1. Eleanor's Words profile image85
      Eleanor's Wordsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I know what you mean about Derek Acorah...and I have watched with amusement those 'most haunted' programmes he does, there is such a big build up, loads of staged atmosphere, a couple of strange sounds and then...nothing happens.

      1. waynet profile image46
        waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh...don't get me started about Most Haunted....a show that only exists to shift t-shirts and dvds....loud bangs and whispers happen and that's it.....it's the crew god damn it, they are all in on it, it's a money making thing!!!!!!!!!!

        1. luvpassion profile image60
          luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I think Monster quest is about the same...they never catch one. smile

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Couldn't agree with you more, Waynet!

  10. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
    PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago

    You guys are in for the shock of your lives. Soon.

    1. luvpassion profile image60
      luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No Paddy I'm open to the possibilities associated with the metaphysical...don't tell Beelzedad.

      Teri

      1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
        PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I won't. I'm glad someone else does.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You're going to say something smart?

      1. luvpassion profile image60
        luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I probably won't but don't hold it against me...k

        (hugs)

    3. waynet profile image46
      waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You're not really Nicole Kidman! boooo!

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And she was accusing me of being all about "appearances." LOL!

      2. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
        PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Waynet, I never suggested that I was that beautiful woman. I'm using her picture as an avatar rather than my real one for privacy.

        1. waynet profile image46
          waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh I see.....now it's all making sense, so you are not Nicole Kidman then? oh I shall continue balancing a slug on my top lip and pretend I have a moustache then....off I go!!

          1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
            PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What part of privacy do you not get? The private or the it's none of your business part?

            1. waynet profile image46
              waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Privates!!!, steady now!!!

              1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
                PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                In your dreams wishbone.

                1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
                  PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  That was just a joke Waynet. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings with my joke.

                  1. waynet profile image46
                    waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Nah....smile

                2. waynet profile image46
                  waynetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Nah....big_smile

        2. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
          PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I can hold my own though.

          1. luvpassion profile image60
            luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You go girl>>> big_smile

            1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
              PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, thanks for rooting for me.

  11. Apostle Jack profile image60
    Apostle Jackposted 6 years ago

    Satan have his followers, the same as those of the God.
    They can do everything that Satan can do.
    Most people are confused between the powers.
    The same as those that think that everything that they
    receive in life is from God.Satan can give you anything you desire in this world.And more often than not MOST THINK THAT THAT ITS GOD.
    He would not give you money to buy dope.
    But satan will.He will not tell to take your last dollor
    to the crap table.But satan will.
    God will not tell you to put money and materialism before Him.
    but SATAN WILL MAKE SURE THAT you do.Many and most are those
    that have fell prey to "THE GLITTER AND THE GLEAM" OF LIFE.
    And more than that,the negative powers of satan are given to
    those the seek,"QUANITY ABOVE QUALITY.

    1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
      PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Awww, I was waiting for one of you! We mysticism without bible thumping interjections just isn't the same. We have a full house now, believers, skeptics, and our very own bible thumper.

      1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
        PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How did I do that? Sometimes what's in my mind doesn't come out when I type. I meant "what is mysticism without bible...."

  12. mega1 profile image81
    mega1posted 6 years ago

    you could make some money being psycho - but it might be illegal - have to check on that.

    as for psychics - prove any of it?  anybody?  oh well.  I like to believe in the spirit world but I've never had personal experience of actual psychic predictions working out for anybody.  You can read Tarot cards for yourself and have just as good results as any self-proclaimed psychic - I think.  hello?  yes.  ok.  I'll stop.

    smile

    1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
      PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, people are always stumping for me to lose because I'm always the winner. What a travesty. Sigh. Also note, for any of the guys, you're charming, but I wouldn't touch you with a yardstick, sorry.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What are you always a winner at?

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    Look, I didn't call my ability psychic ability until recently because I didn't understand. But ever since I was a little girl I've been able to tell unfamiliar people the names and descriptions of their friends and relatives who had died. I am a clairvoyant which means I can see them (at times as if they were still alive). I still can do this, but it's not something I am in control of; therefore, it would be wrong for me to attempt to make a living out of doing this. When you open a business as a psychic you are basically saying: "I will answer all your questions and give you advice on whatever concerns you might have." How can someone do this if they are not able to tag into the spirit world whenever they want to? This is knowledge that is offered to us from time to time, not always.
    So, what do full time psychics do? They ramble on and on about very generic advice that can apply to anyone; or they wait until you tell them something about yourself and expand on that until something clicks with the person. I think it's awful! I don't like it one bit!

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      shanonzinthahouseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The weirdest thing happen today...My friend from back in high school said that she was a phycic, and so on...I so desperatley wanted to beleive this girl but OH MAn...Thie things she told me were obvious things that people would know if they knoew me or if they knew the family so therefore she acted as if she could tell who the "REAL" person is in me...same tatics here" oh your not a pychic your not moreon!!! So for as playing jokes/ telling lies isnt funny but I forget it is on YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Shanon, I'd love to understand what you wrote but my psychic abilities don't go that far.

  14. Beelzedad profile image60
    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago

    Any self-proclaimed psychic is free to demonstrate their abilities to the world at any time. In fact. there are organizations that have been sitting on a huge pile of money offering it to anyone who can demonstrate those abilities.

    The money still sits there today and it most likely will continue to sit there earning interest. smile

    That is because psychic abilities violate a number of physical laws, hence the ability does not exist...

    ... as the piles of money grow larger with interest. smile

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Spoken as a true skeptic. I was waiting for you! lol

      There are many things that remain unexplained. Some things can't be proved by science but does not mean they don't exist. An example taken from everyday life - we are capable of loving someone, but how can we prove it? Can science prove that you love your children? How?

      The images and feelings that a TRUE psychic receives come the same way. When you meet a REAL psychic who tells you the name of every family member, what each one looks like, and how they are related to you even though you've never met that person before, then you realize there is an invisible energy that connects us all. As a believer of science you know that we don't use our brain to its full capacity. So, how can you be so sure that science holds all the answers? There are many things left to discover.

      1. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Just an fyi, that is what is referred to as a strawman argument. If you don't know what that is, you should probably look it up as it does absolutely nothing to support your argument. smile



        Again, any TRUE or REAL self-proclaimed psychic is free to demonstrate their abilities to the world. They haven't and never will. 



        I'm not a "believer" of science. That makes no sense.

        And again, your argument is a strawman.

        All you or anyone who professes these abilities has to do is contact the organizations that have piles of money waiting for you to have, all you have to do is show them your abilities.

        But, I know you won't and never will. wink

        1. sarmack profile image60
          sarmackposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And they will discredit what they do not experience themselves... that is from Scripture.  It is better to just leave things be than to mock others.  You don't really know when you are mocking someone Gifted of God.  Mock that person and you are mocking God Himself.  My Fear of God tells me to accept them as they are and assume that God has Given them the Gift.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No, they will discredit charlatans, which is why no one dares to try to prove their "psychic abilities."  Like religion, some can convince themselves they are chosen to be either god's messenger or have been given special abilities.  Do you believe I have super powers? If not, why?  I said I did!

          2. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Those who claim to be psychics only discredit themselves when they can't demonstrate their abilities.



            No, it isn't better. These organizations exist because gullible people are being bilked out of their money, in very much the same way telemarketers bilk seniors out of their life savings. It's fraudulent.

             

            If your god did exist, he most certainly will deal with those charlatans in the afterlife, on a spit roasting. smile



            My understanding of what those hucksters are doing tells me to expose them for what they are. smile

          3. Gerber Ink profile image86
            Gerber Inkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Here here!  I think we're forgetting about Joseph (Coat of Many Colors) and the Witch of Endor.  Of course, if you're so inclined, you may mock the Bible.

  15. Bill Manning profile image72
    Bill Manningposted 6 years ago

    psychic's are scum of the earth who prey off people having a hard time in their lives. Notice they never do it for free, or at least at some point ask for money for it.

    They are just good at picking people in their weakest moments and give them a bunch of crap they come up with. I'm sure any good they have done is equaled to the damage they have done.

    Making money off it should be outlawed. If they want to help people, they can do it for free. Oh wait, even for free they can't as they are faking it. smile

    1. Jennifer Lynch profile image45
      Jennifer Lynchposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So we grab them kicking and screaming off the street do we?
      I think that we have a responsibility to give information which we consider to be true and right in our hearts.  If someone is needing help, psychics are an option for them but they have free will.  No-one is telling them what to do, it is just getting anothers view point.  A lot of psychics have counselling skills and can show great empathy and understanding of situations.  Believe it or not some people don't ask to be psychic they just are and I personally believe it is a curse as well as a blessing.  You could say any therapist prays off the vulnerable as how do you know that, the treatment given is right for them.  Sometimes understanding and compassion can really help people.  You are very much entitled to your view but bear it in mind that all psychics consist of different people and you have made a sweeping and a little unfair generalisation!

      1. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        While that may be true and I would agree with you in that regard, the problem is that self-proclaimed psychics use those skills to deceive others that they are psychic.



        No one is a psychic, born or otherwise. 



        Therapists don't make claims that they can read your mind or see visions. In other words, they aren't trying to deceive you up front. Big difference between them and psychic frauds.  smile

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Beelzedad, you are completely deaf to what I'm saying! I am actually agreeing with you here. Let me put it in caps so maybe it goes through to you - I THINK MOST PSYCHICS ARE LIERS. AND I DON'T THINK PSYCHICS HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS THEREFORE THEY SHOULDN'T BE SO SELFCONFIDENT AS TO OFFER ADVICE TO PEOPLE AND MAKE A LIVING THIS WAY.
          There! Hope you get the point now.

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Correction, ALL self-proclaimed psychics are liars and frauds. smile

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              klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I don't agree with you, but if that's how you feel, I respect it. I wish you could explain why people are able to accurately predict certain things about the future, or why I can accurately describe people and events from the past of total strangers. I may be many things, but I am not making this up. The same way as I believe this psychic ability, or intuition, or whatever you want to call it, should not be used to make a profit. The same way as I believe that most psychics are frauds.

              1. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You don't have to agree, you have every right to go on pretending you have those abilities.



                There's nothing to explain, no one has done such a thing.



                Again, all self-proclaimed psychics are frauds. ALL of them, profit or no profit.  smile

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                  klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  GRRRRRRRRRR! meaaaaw!

                  1. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I apologize for making you angry, that was certainly not the intent. But, you should realize you don't possess any special abilities. You are no more psychic than you are an elephant. smile

                2. ceciliabeltran profile image84
                  ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  and all trolls are ugly, nasty and hang around the bridges that connect you to greener pastures.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Billy goat Gruff does that too, CeBel!  LOL!

      2. Bill Manning profile image72
        Bill Manningposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Having understanding and compassion and helping people is a LOT different than saying "I can see your future and I talked to your dead son and he says hi mommy"!!!!

        Again, if they want to help anyone they can,,,, for free. I can do that to, so can you. But I'm not going to say I can see your future if you give me 50 bucks.

        Many homeless people with mental problems honestly believe they can talk to god or whatever. They don't open up a psychic's shop do they?

        The point of the OP is ones who make money off it. Those are the ones who just make money off preying off the weak or helpless, people in their darkest hours. They are the lowest scum of all scum IMO.

        If someone really thinks they can see your future or talk to the dead, great. Let them tell that to anyone who will listen for free and feel good about it. Don't charge money for it and open up a shop for the purpose of making money off weak people. mad

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There is a movie out about the town of Lily Dale, NY, which is a town full of self-proclaimed psychics and mediums that open their gates to the world in the summertime. Your point is made quite evident in that movie. smile

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree with you Bill. I don't think it's something that can be commercialized. If anyone has a premonition about someone, why would you charge them to give them the information that might save their life? It's insane!

    2. the pink umbrella profile image72
      the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you know, this is really taking the fun out of me reading my horescope, thanx alot guys... poo   sad

      1. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There's nothing wrong with reading horoscopes, as long as you know those people are just making it all up as they go along.

        It's all just entertainment. smile

    3. sarmack profile image60
      sarmackposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't believe this is true.  If you are differentiating between a psychic and a prophet, yes, there is a time they expect to be paid for their gift.  The psychic and the prophet are of equal Spiritual Gifts.  The differentiation is in how they use that Gift and how the information is Received.  They are not scum.  They are just like you or me.  A person can lose their Spiritual Gifts if they abuse them.  Perhaps this is what you have seen.  When a person begins to give what seems to be incorrect information, they are either a Prophet or have lost their Gift.

      1. sarmack profile image60
        sarmackposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I decided I better clarify some of my information. 
        A person who is truly a Prophet will speak and write in coded Messages.  They must be translated.  This is the actual "tongues" that some Christians like to profess.  The "tongues" is not jibberish, but in a person's own language, just with an underlying Message.  If you don't fully Understand the Roots of Christianity, you won't be able to translate the Message correctly.  The numerology associated with Mystical Judaism is critical for correct translation.... off on a tangent, better stop!!!

  16. rebekahELLE profile image90
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

    I don't know if I see this any different than someone depending on their stock broker or banker. it's predictions, some clearly false and made on speculation or intuition.

    people believe what they choose to believe regardless of the source.

  17. thisisoli profile image66
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    A lot of psychics use cold reading. This technique may seem harmless till you realise that most people who can spend everything from hundreds to thousands on these services are those who are most vunerable, and most in need of the cash.

    1. Jennifer Lynch profile image45
      Jennifer Lynchposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am a therapist, a psychic!  Sometimes people have a series of acupuncture or relfexology sessions and say it hasn't worked at all.  Don't you think that in this day and age the public should be allowed to spend their money on what they want.  If you had a naff psychic reading and thought it was unhelpful, would you spend your money on one again?  There are many ways of exploiting the vulnerable.  One of them is not giving homeless people a bed and pretending it is not a problem.  Should we have a go at all the Councils who don't acknowledge there is a problem in their town.  Believe you me having worked with the homeless I know this to be true.  If someone wants to phone and psychic or see one face to face it is their choice.  Just the same as it is another persons choice to stick a needle in their arm if they can't cope.  Perhaps there is something that might be said by the psychic which would really help.  They could also direct a person to the Samaritans and advise them not to keep calling as other organisations might be better.  However they may also find that not only can they bring through information which the client wishes to hear but also be what they need at the time.  We cannot judge what another person wants to do with their life, (casting the first stone).  Having a tatoo I consider to be a gross waste of money but it might be what the person needs at the time to give them a lift.  No-one is saying that Psychics can replace a qualified person such as a Counsellor or Dr.  There is already provision for expressing that it is for entertainment purposes only and there are now a whole host of rules that we have to abide by.  There are people that set up as hypnotherapists who have done a correspondence course and never actually seen a client.
      Where is the measure in this?

      1. Jennifer Lynch profile image45
        Jennifer Lynchposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        and a psychic it is meant to say above!
        I have to remark that I was meant to find this discussion, so there are
        definitely things I have to learn here!

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jennifer, the problem is that there are many clients that come with difficult issues such as having a missing child, etc. These psychics who supposedly are there to give them answers may give false hope by telling a mother the child is still alive, or they might tell them the child is dead when the reality might be totally different. It's one thing to be a spiritual advisor and offer advice on a specific issue and another thing to believe you are tapping into information that can be crucial to someone who desperately seeks help. I am not saying that psychics are not capable of finding the answers at one point or another, but it becomes a problem when they think they can have access to this information all the time. Real psychics should be humble enough to say: "I am not sure" or "I don't have that answer" but that is hardly the case. It's very sad because people then judge psychics by those that practice it the wrong way.

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "Real psychics" should be honest enough to say they are not psychics at all. Honesty can be a good thing. In most cases, if you can't be honest with yourself, you can't be honest with others.  smile

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            klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Beelzedad, what astrological sign are you? Please enlighten me!  I know you don't believe in that, but play along anyways...

        2. ceciliabeltran profile image84
          ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I think some psychics don't know what they're dealing with and just earnestly want to help. Some psychics are so plagued by what they perceive that there is no room for anything else in their life but to be a psychic.

          Some psychics however hide in normal jobs and offer advice for free.

          Some psychics write novels and books and make tons of money.

          Psychics are people who have varying degrees of skill, knowledge and wisdom.

          You can recite this little piggie and it will be the same story.

          This little psychic went to market
          This little psychic stayed at home
          This little psychic had roast beef
          and this little psychic had none
          This little pyschic said weeee weee all the way to the bank.

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            klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Disturbing poem! Thanks Cecilia!  lol

    2. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
      PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I had a free reading that turned out to be true. So there you go.

  18. Kangaroo_Jase profile image79
    Kangaroo_Jaseposted 6 years ago

    I am psychic and I can prove it...

    Some one within the next...... will post a message here above or below me .... Oh.... within the next 72 days......


    YOU HAVE BEEN ADVISED !!!!!!!!!!!

    1. Jennifer Lynch profile image45
      Jennifer Lynchposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think that is down to an individuals integrity and yes I certainly get your point you make klarawieck.  As for the above 72 days seems rather a long time!

      1. Kangaroo_Jase profile image79
        Kangaroo_Jaseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was right though wink big_smile

  19. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
    PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago

    Wow, are we all that much against it because it threatens our belief systems. Look outside the box, investigate...maybe you'll find something there.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you assume we haven't investigated the fallacy of people being psychics and found nothing to support their existence?  Got any proof you would care to share?  Anyone?

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image84
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Blink : Malcolm Gladwell calls it thin-slicing. Some people have a pretty good at guessing what the entire pie is by sampling a small portion of that pie.

        They just are so mystified by it they think its woo woo. Its limbic knowledge. monkeys have it.

    2. ceciliabeltran profile image84
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think whether there are psychics or not is beside the point. Why do people need to have their minds read. It is really quite bizarre.

      I had a man ask me if what he thinks of his brother (thinking I was a psychic). And I'm like, "you can't ask yourself that?"

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's another problem. People that go to psychics stop making decisions on their own. They become dependant on another person to tell them what to do. The questions for all answers lie within our soul and people should start meditating on trying to find those answers rather than going to a psychic for help. It's highly addictive!

        1. ceciliabeltran profile image84
          ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The problem of psychic dependency is the psychic makes suggestions that are hypnotic. They stare into your eyes, and they imbed these seeds of the future. Then it happens. Of course it happens. The person was put in a trance with the psychic's voice, the scents in the room and the fixed gaze. Then the subconscious machine acts it out like a program.

          And a lover, a promotion appears. The mind became aware of promotion opportunities and lover potentials.a

          During a consultation, I focus on the past and how it affects today's habits of choosing. That is the work that is more beneficial because, the future belongs to them. you in fact shine a light that breaks subconscious programs of the past. Parents are usually the hypnotists.

          I don't charge for this work, but I find people want to hire me for other things I can do.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am not against it PeppermintPaddy. I am a natural born intuitive psychic, but I must truly stink then, because I only receive messages as they concern other people from time to time, when the message is delivered to me, not when I want to. I truly believe that's the way it is for most psychics out there, but the minute you put yourself in a spot where you have to answers all questions as they come your way you are basically lying. I don't doubt there are much more intuitive psychics out there, but it's not the majority.

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        In fact, just to prove I'm a psychic... I will make a prediction: Beelzedad will reiterate that I'm not a psychic in the next 24 hours. lol

        1. ceciliabeltran profile image84
          ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Beel : bengali for stagnant water

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beel

          Zedad definition

          side; sloping place, a town in the north of Palestine, near Hamath (Num. 34:8; Ezek. 47:15).

          Beelzedad means stagnant water, north of Palestine.

          Interesting...

        2. ceciliabeltran profile image84
          ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          a psychic reads subconscious programs not the future. if you understand that, you will see that you cannot possibly read accurately something that is not within your subconscious vocabulary.

          you must have had a very intense childhood.

        3. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Notice how your guesses are often wrong? That is what is called a "miss" - while other times you may guess something right which is called a "hit".

          The problem is people focus on the hits and ignore the misses and believe they are psychic. smile

      2. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
        PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I believe you Klara. Visions don't come automatically when people ask you. It's not automatic like, say speaking and can come in symbols or pictures that you have to interpret. Expecting pay for it can wrong, I suppose.

      3. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hits and misses; guesswork. wink

  20. luvpassion profile image60
    luvpassionposted 6 years ago

    Using psychic powers for personal gain is considered a big no-no...by a large number of people; however Our earliest ancestors had needs.

    The world, though it is beautiful and they were intimately connected to it, was difficult in ancient times...often a struggle to put food on the table. People got hurt or sick, no doctor just a 911 call away. Extreme weather, harsh winters, dry summers could destroy a tribe or village.

    The wise ones. The ones who discovered how to manipulate energy and improve their chances for a successful hunt. The ones who learned that picking certain plants or mixing certain components from the earth could help heal people more quickly and thoroughly.

    The ones who believed that dancing and chanting could potentially have an effect on the weather patterns, and bring rain in a parched season, or ward off a storm.

    Tell one of those ancient wise people that they are forbidden to do magic for personal gain, and they'd probably have laughed in your face.

    These magic-using ancestors were, above all things, practical people.

    If you can make money off such powers...go for it- buyer beware.

    Do no harm
    wink

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image84
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I thought you were pinoy!

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks luvpassion for your input but I believe you are referring to ancient tribal spiritual leaders which is a different ball game altogether. Even then, as far as I understand they would accept a donation (whatever you could give them, not a fee. I know in african tribes that's how it worked.
      Either way, we are referring to psychics today. Have you listened to The Sky Psychic Radio online? You'll see what I mean. These psychics do free readings in their programs but they use it to advertise their private sessions. The readings are completely ridiculous in most cases - they offer general good advice to people - something that your school counselor could have told you in high school. And then you hear them rambling on and on about things that are trivial. When the client does not validate what the psychic is telling them right away they go to commercials. And then they get reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally creative!!! You'd think they had some mushrooms for breakfast! It's a total joke!

    3. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
      PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know if psychic abilities are magic, however, or just dormant abilities that people don't use.

      1. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Psychic abilities are neither magic or dormant, they simply don't exist. smile

    4. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Snake-oil salesmen, hucksters and frauds do no harm? wink

  21. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

    In this part of rural Georgia there used to be many roadside billboards advertising "Sister Ruby" or some such person claiming to read palms, give psychic readings, or some other nonsense.  We would occasionally stop and pay a few bucks just to screw with their minds.

    All fakes of course!  There are no real psychics, just those who wish they were.  Sad really.  The large majority seem to be women for some reason.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Everyone has psychic abilities. Some people have it more advanced than others. But most psychics out there are fakes for sure.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But you are a real psychic, right?

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have had psychic abilities ever since I can remember. I don't go around with a sign that says "Hi everyone! I'm a psychic!" In fact, only my family and close friends know about it because the minute you tell someone you are a psychic they either think you are crazy (as in the case of Beelzedad - although I don't lose faith in him! lol) or they bombard you with questions for you to answer. But I either stink as a psychic or  I'm the real deal - one of the two... I don't communicate with spirits as I please, only when they feel like communicating something to me because there is a need for it. And I am not Jennifer Love-Hewitt... I don't help spirits cross over, I don't cry when they see the light, and I can't see them everytime I turn my head. Oh, and I  don't do that annoying eyelash fluttering thing that she does.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I know what you mean!  I've had super powers since I was a child!  Of course, some people don't believe me when I tell them so.  You believe me don't you?

            1. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I knew it all along.

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                klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I sure do Randy. I recognized your green superhero suit from Kickass!

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  In my case it was "KickAsp!

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                    klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    big_smile

              2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You are indeed intuitive, Jerami!  This is a much more important gift than being psychic!

                1. Jerami profile image77
                  Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't know if yours is better than hers??  I bet ya a nickle yours is more important to you than hes is.

                    I know that My powers  "woooo"  is more important to me than either one of Yauls is.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Are you faster than a speeding bullet?  Can you leap tall buildings in a single bound?  And the most important question of all, what's your sign?  LOL!

          2. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Or, you have no abilities at all and it's just guesswork, like every other psychic. smile

          3. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Did you watch that portion of the video I linked showing just how easy it is to be a psychic? smile

      2. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, they don't. No one does. Can everyone flap their arms and fly, too? There is little difference between the two. smile

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's a plane! It's a bird! Noooooooooo.... It's BEELZEDAD!!!!!  lol

    2. Jim Hunter profile image60
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Women look better in the turban.

      I have had some strange things happen to me, I wouldn't call myself psychic or clairvoyant.

      But some dreams have come to pass exactly the way I saw them.

      I don't know...

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "Prophet James"  that does have ring to it, Jim!  LOL!  You might have missed your calling!

        1. Jim Hunter profile image60
          Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I prefer "Profit James" my line of work is a bit more lucrative than the fly by night psychic.

          I hope it is anyway.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I knew you were going to say that, Jim!

  22. aguasilver profile image88
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    Deuteronomy 18:9-11 (King James Version)

    9When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

    10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

    11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

    and...

    Acts 16

    16And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

    17The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

    18And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

    1. luvpassion profile image60
      luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Your saying Paul considered her unworthy of her spiritual power and removed it...men!

      1. aguasilver profile image88
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, not saying that whatsoever, just stating what God thinks of those powers, whether exercised by men or women.

        All power comes from one of two sources... God or Satan, and God does NOT do party tricks or speak through psychics, nor tell us to try to see our own future, those are left to Satan to administer to those who have 'tinkling ears'.

        I wrote a whole hub on this ages ago called Is there anybody there, or is it just a demon?

        Psychics are hearing from spirits, they just do not understand who is controlling those spirits.

        As for the rest of the comments, spiritually dead folk cannot understand these things.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      When thou art getteth rideth of thou old english - I might be able to read your message big_smile

      1. aguasilver profile image88
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry, had no idea that you were ADHD, here's a simpler version.... a dictionary often helps to understand.

        Deuteronomy 18:9-11 (Amplified Bible)

        When you come into the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of these nations.

        There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or daughter pass through the fire, (these folk used to worship a god called Molech, and when things were tight or they were in dire straights, they used to kill their young, and sacrifice them itno a fire for him.... bit like modern day abortion, new ritual, same old false god... they still 'worship' Molech)or who uses divination, (that's psychic powers)or is a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer,

        Or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

        and...

        Acts 16:16-18 (Amplified Bible)

        As we were on our way to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who was possessed by a spirit of divination [claiming to foretell future events and to discover hidden knowledge], and she brought her owners much gain by her fortunetelling.

        She kept following Paul and [the rest of] us, shouting loudly, These men are the servants of the Most High God! They announce to you the way of salvation!

        And she did this for many days. Then Paul, being sorely annoyed and worn out, turned and said to the spirit within her, I charge you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her! And it came out that very moment.

        Point being (in case this is too complicated) God does NOT approve using Satanic powers to meddle with folks.

  23. Beelzedad profile image60
    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago

    Consequently, I offered a portion of this video in another thread. I would like to offer it again to the self-proclaimed psychics here, please view the portion between the 48 minute mark and the 54 minute mark.  smile

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 463399298#

  24. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    If people are willing to pay for it, I say why not.

    This is just like anything for sale.  If people are that naive, will then so be it.  The great thing about America, it is our freedom to make money and it is our freedom to choose.

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this
      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sometimes I don't think you read what is written.  Seriously, why is that?  Did you read what I wrote?

        If people are naive enough to buy into lies- well so be it.  It is called freedom.  That is their choice to be fooled.

        And well if our government sees an opportunity to capitalize on crime, and create jobs well go for it.  What do I care?  I'm not the dumb one spending money on the adventure.  So I really don't care.

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Of course I did. You said you don't care if people get bilked out of their money.



          Fair enough. I do realize there are people who don't care about criminal activities, until it happens to them or their loved ones.

          Just saying. wink

          1. luvpassion profile image60
            luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Beelzedad...we're not talking about insider trading.

            If people chose to pay for a psyhcic that's a choice they make...perhaps they don't feel they're being bilked. Have you ever purchased a tabloid?

            Was it entertaining...did they bilk you?

            wink

            1. Dave Barnett profile image60
              Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That's right too, the consumer isn't ripped off unless the consumer feels ripped off, but mine were free because of the point of origination, and the point of delivery, and if that seems to be a Quixotic answer, too bad.

            2. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I know, we're talking about frauds in general.



              The gullible rarely do feel like they're being bilked just as others may not feel insider trading is happening either,



              Of course not. Tabloids are nonsense. smile

            3. the pink umbrella profile image72
              the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              ive had a few readings, and paid for them. while some seem to be telling you things that they could "no way know", mostly i liken it to a carnival attraction.  Its all in good fun, and dumb to base your life and decisions around it. i mean the future is subject to change at any time based on our actions, right?  why pay for information that could change tommorow if you fart to the north instead of the west?

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                klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                you fart to the west? why?! lol

        2. Dave Barnett profile image60
          Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm sure the above comments were exactly what was going through Bernie Madoffs mind at some point. I think he's won an all expense paid vacation somewhere.

          1. luvpassion profile image60
            luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So you're comparing say a five dollar palm reading...to a multi billion dollar scam?

            At least the customer in the palm reading has some inkling it may be entertainment...wouldn't you agree?

  25. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    I think he got suckered once or twice.smile

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Seems your guesswork is often wrong, too. smile

  26. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
    PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago

    Truth is, if it was not real, the military wouldn't hire them don't you think?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Are you saying the military never wastes money on stupid things?  LOL!

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah! George Clooney was great in that movie! lol

    2. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The military don't hire them. smile

  27. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
    PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago
    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I certainly hope you didn't furnish this link to support the pro-psychic side of the discussion!  Small gray aliens being mentors to psychics?

  28. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Geez aqua, I'm sure glad I don't live in your head! lol

    1. aguasilver profile image88
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm glad you don't as well, you'd be horrified! and I would feel invaded.

      Looks like this post has now suffered the same fate as any real discussion does.... hijacked by bored spiritually dead atheists.

      Time to go.

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I love bored spiitually dead atheists! lol

  29. waynet profile image46
    waynetposted 6 years ago

    Yes they should, because everyone has to make a living and if that means tricking people into thinking that dear old Aunty Mable has told them to bake a cake, then why not?

    Money makes the world go around....muwahahahahaha muwahahahaha.....give me some money and I'll burn it hahahahahaha.....muwahahahaha.....

    Ah...I felt better after that.....cheers now!

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      waynet, if preachers live off their faithful followers, then I guess it's natural that some psychics livee off their obsessed troubled customer. Me still no like eeeet.

  30. Apostle Jack profile image60
    Apostle Jackposted 6 years ago

    I thank that their very soul is required to pay the piper.
    Satan have his workers and those that follow Him of both the male and female gender.God have and always will reject all negative practices of humankind.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So god rejects himself? Or are these practices OK?

      Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.  (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)



      So your god killing children is OK then? You did say so I think. smile

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        pLeAsE PeOpLe, uSe CoMmOn LaNgUaGe... i'M AdHd!

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe that's why you believe you have special powers. wink

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            klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Admit it Beelzedad! You can't live without me!!! tongue

            1. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Did you watch the video I posted? Notice how easy it is to be psychic. wink

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                klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I didn't... sorry. But I've seen videos of fake psychics. I can't make you believe me, and I don't intend to either. You have your own brain to process the world around you. That's okay.

                But I won't be around hp today for long so you'll have to find someone else to argue with... Today is my bday. big_smile

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Happy birthday Klara!

                  Don't waste it here... wink

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                    klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks Misha. Can't go to the beach today. The weather here in Miami stinks today. It's been raining for three days.

                2. Beelzedad profile image60
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Then, I can only conclude you really, really, really want to believe you have special powers, to the point where you refuse to see just how easy it is to be a psychic without having any such powers. That's fine, but you should realize this will only serve to harm you in the long run.



                  We all have a brain, klarawieck, some just refuse to use theirs in favor of pretending to have magical powers.



                  Happy Birthday! Congratulations! smile

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                    klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Beelzedad, you probably have terrible vision, or maybe you had sugery to correct it already.
                    Thanks for the good wishes. Don't miss me too much today. wink

                3. Greek One profile image80
                  Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  http://shoutpix.com/graphics/birthday/sweet-sixteen.gif

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                    klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, Greek One! Oh, oh, oh, It's so shiny! I can leave now and have a great birthday thanks to you. smile

  31. Gerber Ink profile image86
    Gerber Inkposted 6 years ago

    I'm having a good time reading all of these posts.  I'm am puzzled though why people think all psychics are mediums, and all mediums are psychics.  Being psychic is foretelling the future.  According to the Bible, Joseph was able to do this as he predicted the famine (among other things).  A medium is one who can "speak" with the dead.  Biblically speaking, there was also the Witch of Endor who was a medium who brought back Samuel for King Saul.

    I know that not everyone believes in the Bible, so if you don't believe, no hard feelings.  You're free to believe in anything you choose.  I'm just citing ancient text for the sake of argument.

    Before everyone goes and assumes that I'm a Bible thumper, I'm not.  I've always had an interest in things that are metaphysical in nature, and I've worked in law enforcement and have been on the receiving end of unusual information.

    As for whether people should make a living from being psychics or even by being a medium, why do we care?  We pay the weatherman for guessing what next week's weather may bring, Wall Street speculators, for all intents and purposes, make a living this way.  Finally, many of us writers on HubPages make a living from Google AdSense, and if those "analytics" aren't suspicious in nature (prospecting, for sure), I don't know what is!

  32. brotheryochanan profile image59
    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

    Harry Houdini was jewish

    Houdini debunked spiritualists. In the early 1900s, many people were caught up in spiritualism as a way of contacting deceased relatives. People who were grieving would often pay enormous sums of money in order to contact the dead. Houdini recognized the spiritualist mediums for what they really were ... charlatans preying upon the delicate emotions of the recently bereaved. Because he was familiar with sleight of hand and other ways of manipulating audiences into believing the impossible, he was able to expose their tricks, which he often did.

    Many have since tried to reach the spirit of the renowned medium buster. Bess Houdini held a radio broadcast séance on the 10th anniversary of her husband's death. Houdini had promised his wife that if it were possible to contact the living after death, he would contact her through a code. Although various mediums claimed to have broken the code, Bess was not convinced. At her final 1936 séance she said, "Houdini did not come through. My last hope is gone. I do not believe that Houdini can come back to me—or to anyone.....The Houdini Shrine has burned for ten years. I now, reverently—turn out the light. It is finished. Good Night, Harry!"

    If you want to read more about the falseness of the practice you can go here:

    http://www.foxvalleyhistory.org/houdini/spirits.asp

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A bit like the sky fairy story. 2,000 years of no show! lol

      1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
        PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this
      2. brotheryochanan profile image59
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        the only part of that post that made any sense

      3. brotheryochanan profile image59
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I see him all the time, every day. Thousands of christians see his works, love, provision, miracles. You think we are in this because theres no proof. We see proof all the time.
        Too bad you don't. But you had your chance and blew it.

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That's strange, I see buildings and bridges and all kinds of architecturally amazing feats of engineering, yet I have never seen nor met the architects or engineers.

          In other words, one does not equate "seeing" the person to their works. smile

          1. brotheryochanan profile image59
            brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You are so trapped by your physical eyes. Now do you understand the term "blinded" from a biblical perpective?

            1. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              All we have are "physical eyes" you and me, both. There isn't anything else that is different from either of us except the fact that one of us wants to 'sees' entities that aren't there. wink

    2. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
      PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Some, maybe but not all. The actual truth is stranger than fiction.

      1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
        PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Speaking of Houdini, who is an actual magician who claims to be performing magic to question the authenticity of psychics?

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Houdini knew there was no such thing as magic or psychics and 'tricked' his audience into believing it was real.

          Self-proclaimed psychic mediums pretend they have special powers kinda like kids pretending they're jedi knights. smile

          1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
            PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            In your opinion BD. I'm guess that you've investigated nothing on the topic that proves the case only what disproves it so you have a biased view. Everyone has that ability, in my opinion. Scientists say we only use 10% of our brain...did you ever wonder what that 90% can do? What about that little voice called your intuition that something might be wrong or right? Guessing or using a portion of psychic ability?

            1. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              There is nothing that proves the case, that's one of the reasons why there are organizations sitting on piles of money waiting for someone to come along and prove the case. There is also a Nobel Prize waiting for them too. Why would I need to venture into something like that when so much more is out there for a psychic medium to prove their case.

              You are free to believe that my understanding of the physical worlds and it's laws are a biased view, but that doesn't change in the least the lack of anyone proving their case.



              You're free to opine that, but your opinion would most likely be based on not understanding the physical world and why those abilities can't exist.



              No, scientists do not say that, it is a myth and there are many, many articles you can find that dispel that myth.



              It is as good as guessing as it is right brain aesthetics and can be right or wrong, just like guesswork.



              Guessing, of course.  Physic abilities don't exist.  smile

              1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
                PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Still, I hope you understand that I see your point as mute if you haven't  done a thorough investigation rather than a one sided one. You can believe whatever you want, the military wouldn't fiance psy-op operations if the ability didn't exist. It is a guess on your part that psychic abilities don't exist.

                1. Jerami profile image77
                  Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually the military has been working on it sinse the fifties.   They must have found something or they woulda quit digging a long time ago,

                  1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
                    PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    That I believe. They've been working on a great many things since the 50s that we don't know about. And, yes, they would have stopped if it was an inefficient waste of money, I believe. Since the 50s? Wow.

                2. Beelzedad profile image60
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually, the word is "moot" not mute. smile

                  That's quite funny actually. What you're saying is that I should spend my time thoroughly researching every Tom, Dick and Harry who makes a claim that violates physical laws, rather than those same TDH demonstrate their claims to the world.

                  Yeah, that makes sense. wink



                  Whatever gave the notion they do such things? 



                  No, it's an understanding of why they can't possibly exist. Can you show the world they do exist? There is a huge pile of money and a Nobel Prize waiting for you if you can? Care to take up the challenge?

                  *queue excuse why no one would ever do that*

                  wink

                  1. luvpassion profile image60
                    luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You shouldn't spend time researching anything beyond your area of expertise...leave that to those with the theory.

                    I tried showing you pictures Beel...you pooh-poohed them.

                    smile

                  2. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
                    PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Einstein's physical laws, while profound and groundbreaking, are no longer as relevant. Check out string theory.

  33. thisisoli profile image66
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    There are quite a few mediums out there who perform on TV, and even state at the start of each show that everything is  a trick, yet even after they tell this to the audience, they still end up with people crying, believing they are talking to their dead family member.

    1. Gerber Ink profile image86
      Gerber Inkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So these so-called psychics go on stage and say to the audience that they aren't really psychics at the start of their show?  How dumb is that?!

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I've never heard of such a thing to be honest with you. The channel or radio station has to cover their A*$ by stating that they have nothing to do with the claims made by the psychic. That's understood.

  34. askahealer profile image61
    askahealerposted 6 years ago

    Are there fraudulent psychics?  Sure.  Are there real psychics?  Sure.  Are there fraudulent doctors?  Sure.  Are there real doctors?  Sure.  Are there fraudulent - fill in the blank?  Sure.  Are there real - fill in the blank?  Sure.  Part of my journey in life has been to develop my own discernment about anyone I meet.  My discernment has been that I've met truly gifted psychics and I've met those who used the gift of reading body language to make an income for themselves.

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I would submit that those who you've discerned as gifted psychics were just a whole lot better at reading body language. smile

  35. Beelzedad profile image60
    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago

    What theories? Are you talking about the paranormal? There are no theories in the paranormal. There isn't anything to research. It's all hogwash.



    Are you talking about faces in a window pictures? How do they show the paranormal exists?

  36. mega1 profile image81
    mega1posted 6 years ago

    I am definitely partly normal, but I haven't made any money from it!  If I get more special powers, how can I go about marketing them?  People will send me $2 to channel Buster Keaton?  I doubt it very much.  But perhaps you would like to talk to George and Gracie and what's his name?  Ike Eisenhower?  No?  well, then, I can't help you.  smile  have a good day!

  37. thisisoli profile image66
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    I am never happy with a theory that requires dimensions to be created to make it work. To me it smacks of religion, I would rather people carried on searching for the difficult answers rather than coming up with theories which jump to dimensions which lay below dimensions.

    1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
      PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The truth is never easy and always complicated. I'm sure many people would have preferred that we never discovered that the world is round. What is simply is.

      1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
        PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Never easy in the sense that it's difficult to accept. Every generation goes through this...we're taught a certain model about how the world works, then, oops, something else comes along to disprove that model. And it will continue forever.

        1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
          PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm both a critic of both atheists and religious zealots because the truth always seems to be in the middle. For scientists, they feel that they know everything there is to know about existence. Except science keeps changes and their narrow, dogmatic view hold as much water as the theories of those who are pious. Life's not that way, no one knows everything.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Then obviously you don't know many scientists!  Can you name any scientists who claim to know everything about man's existence?

          2. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That isn't true at all, scientists do not make that claim, you have.



            Perhaps, there is a narrow, dogmatic view of science here. wink

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Not merely perhaps!  This shows an obvious lack of knowledge concerning scientific endeavors and thinking!  Not surprising at all, really!

        2. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Those are some very strange notions about science you have. What models do you refer? I'm not aware of any. smile

  38. thisisoli profile image66
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    I should probably look more in to the subject, it has always interested me, just not sufficiently enough to make me actually study it!

    1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
      PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You should, I heard that "Physics of the Impossible" by Kaku is a very interesting book. Well, there are many books out there on the subject, but that one always seems to come up.  New York Times best seller and stuff.

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I had never heard of it before. I'm going to get it! Thanks.

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Save your money. Kaku is a well known sensationalist in that he makes his money from sensationalizing science and science fiction by merging them to the point where one can no longer tell where science ends and science fiction begins. He does more to confuse than educate.  smile

        2. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
          PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this
          1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
            PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            There you go Klarawiek. Beelzedad obviously wants to keep old science alive.

            1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
              PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Though it's on a respirator and about to die.

              1. PeppermintPaddy profile image78
                PeppermintPaddyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well, not die, actually, that's melodramatic.  About to be not as relevant because science is giving birth to new sets of facts as we speak.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  "For scientists, they feel that they know everything there is to know about existence."

                  Make up your mind!  Do they, or don't they?  The link you gave seems to completely contradict your quoted statement!  Science is always finding out new things about our universe and us.

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            klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks for sending this to me. Beelzedad is 100% closed to anything that can't be proved by science. That's as far as his vision goes. But it's okay, skeptics are needed as well. Those are the ones that become obsessed with finding answers to anything that can't be explained. I'm sure it's thanks to skeptics that the Unknown has become Known, and the Unexplained has become Explained.

            1. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It never ceases to amaze me the fact that science and scientists are "100% closed minded" to those who pretend to have special powers, who believe they can bend, fold and mutilate the universe at their whim.

              One would actually suspect they could at the very least take the time to understand even a small portion of that very universe they claim to control.

              Alas, instead a round piece of innocuous glass holds all the answers to their worldview. wink

      2. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But, you actually never read it, right? wink

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, Beely boy! You just miss me, don't ya?! big_smile

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You bet! smile

  39. C.A. Johnson profile image78
    C.A. Johnsonposted 6 years ago

    Everyone has a little bit of psychic in them, it just a matter of whether or not you choose to acknowledge it or not. Some people will call intuition maybe even call it a knack. Some even referred to instance as self fulfilling prophecies.

    Have you ever experienced deja vu or felt like you have lived a particular moment before? What about those niggling feeling that something is off? As a parent, have you ever sensed that something was wrong with your child? How about any family member? Ever wake up swearing that someone was calling your name only to ask and have the people in your household tell you that you're nuts? Or hear that calling only to wake up to an empty house?

    These are all methods that ordinary people encounter frequently and brush off but have a basis in psychic ability.How open you are to the possibilities depends on the individual.

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      But, in actuality, they're just guesses.



      We all have those feelings, sometimes they're right and sometimes they're wrong, more often wrong though. smile

  40. 4elements profile image79
    4elementsposted 6 years ago

    I believe in them, and a few are great. Me personally, i do oracle readings, and I do ask for donations.... But not to me, I ask whoever i am reading for to write a check or whatever and send it to St. Judes, Diabetes research,( One of my daughters was diagnosed with type1)or Cancer research, I have never taken money for myself. Now im not sayings its wrong or that i agree im just saying what I do is right for me!

  41. Terri Meredith profile image90
    Terri Meredithposted 5 years ago

    Yeah, I think my doctor should treat me for free cause if he really wanted to heal the world, he would do it for free.

    And I think the minister of the church down the street should preach and council people and perform marriages because if he really wanted to help people by spreading the word of God, he would do it for free.

    Oh, and I think teachers should do it for free.  They keep telling us teaching is a vocation.  If they really were in it for the satisfaction of molding young minds, they would do it for free.

    Let's not forget nurses.  If they really wanted to ease suffering, they would do it for free.

    Psychologists and Psychiatrists, now they should really be doing their stuff for free.  They sure do take advantage of the sick and delusional.

    Before you condemn others for taking money in return for services, you should ask yourself just how many charitable services have you provided????

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 5 years ago

    Should Chris Angel?

    Hell Yes, have you seen that man?  He doesn't have to do a thing and I feel enlightened lol

    I am of the belief if there is a demand that can be fulfilled financially, I care not what the product is, take a shot.  Each person is entitled to try and do what they want, reaping the benefits or loss, so yes.

  43. Cleaning Mitcham profile image61
    Cleaning Mitchamposted 14 months ago

    Hi does any one of you know if any accurate and true psychic that doesnt charge? I think im done with the paid ones as they are fake most of them

 
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