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Is it right for Christians to convert tribal natives?

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    For some time now, Christians have been traveling to the farthest, most remote places on earth with the intention of helping tribal people live a more civilized lifestyle. While committed to a charitable cause, they don't only change their way of life but take the initiative to convert them to Christianity. Do you think this is a wise idea? Please let us know your thoughts.

    1. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's a tough question to answer without looking at the history of the Missionaries of the mid 1800's when only after 30 years of Missionary rule over the South Pacific Polynesian Islands, Hawaii and Tahiti, over 90% of the native population were wiped out.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Christians love genocide and cultural destruction.  They do it very well.

    2. wilmiers77 profile image59
      wilmiers77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      All roads to the truth lead to Christ Jesus. Others are just camped some where in the world relative to Christ Jesus, even Muhammad and Buddha. They are closer than lots of natives. The faith must accommodate our psyche which can be swanked or expanded unto the universal truth. I am a Christian; therefore, I believe that the Son Of God is the universal truth. It accommodates the psyche of technological genuis's who has taken the time to seek for Jesus's Truth. Muhammad and Buddha is going to eventually pick up camp and move into the Son Of God camp on their own volition.  FAITH speaks.

      1. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, it is the other way round. Islam came after Christianity and is considered the final word of the Abrahamic god. Christ was recognized by Islam, but his teachings are now considered pretty much irrelevant when compared to Islam. Sorry, but it is the Christians who are supposed to "pick up camp and move" on. smile

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          pcoachposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Sure enough, coming from Islam that's how it would be interpreted.  I mean really.  Would the teachings be anything but that?  See ya, Islam.  We have no use for it in America.

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            america is secular. it's roots are masonic. so technically, there is no room for religion in the context of what america stands for.

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              stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Masons are a Xian sect.

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            America's no use for the drivel of Christianity, either.  Too bad it doesn't pack up and move out.

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            Keith Phillipsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You just missed a history lesson. Pride blinded you to the facts.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There's no truth in 'Christ Jesus.'  You're welcome to your belief, but it has no connection to reality no matter how much you yearn for it to.

        Observe.

        All roads to the truth lead to Tiamat the Dragon

        All roads to the truth lead to The Easter Bunny

        All roads to the truth lead to Santa Claus

        All roads to the truth lead to James Brown

        All roads to the truth lead to Odin All-Father

        All roads to the truth lead to the Frost Giants

        All the above statements, and myriad others in the same place, have the same validity as yours.

        Its one thing to make a statement like yours in church and another to make it where the readers are a diverse group.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend klarawieck

      I think the natives are allured into Christianity by tricks, cleverness and not be arguments. From the time of Paul; the Christianity has been doing it. Jesus was a straightforward man he never indulged in such things; his mandate from the Creator-God Allah YHWH was restricted to reform Jews only. Paul changed everything.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      klarawieckposted 6 days ago

      For some time now, Christians have been traveling to the farthest, most remote places on earth with the intention of helping tribal people live a more civilized lifestyle. While committed to a charitable cause, they don't only change their way of life but take the initiative to convert them to Christianity. Do you think this is a wise idea? Please let us know your thoughts."

      No, Christians haven't been traveling to help anyone but themselves.  The reason they go is to destroy the culture, but they're not honest enough to make their intentions plain.

      Its 'might makes right' for them.  They follow their 'father' 'Satan' well.

    5. pylos26 profile image78
      pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not only is it improper for Christians to invade foreign countries forcing their wares of religion upon other peoples but it is an act that should be punishable by law. These jerks calling themselves missionaries should be dealt with according to their own mandates, including beatings, etc.   Imagine…it the child does not accept their religion, for whatever reason, they employ beating it into them.  Missionary invaders that have lost their miserable lives conducting themselves in these acts of torture…were deserving.

    6. emievil profile image84
      emievilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't want to comment on whether it is right or not (even though that is the title). I just want to point out that it is not a current thing. They've been doing it for centuries! Heck, they even did that to us.

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      Keith Phillipsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If people convert to a religion because they feel that it is the truth, then it would be a choice. If  a people for the sake of food, water and medicine go through the motions of religion to get it ,converting may simply be a matter of necessity and not at all about religion. There are people in so-called civilized countries that have not been converted yet live in the same house with others that practice religion. The assumption is that these are silly little people out in the boondocks who are incapable of making choice about what touches their soul. Or what will keep their children from becoming ill. It might just be a case of the christian being taken for a ride.

  2. WryLilt profile image88
    WryLiltposted 6 years ago

    I think it's just another way for Westerner's to say "You're uncivilized so you should be like us."

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The invading Christians were the ones who were uncivilized.

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    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    ..i think people should be left alone...I read a hub by BardofEly...it was quite interesting...I can`t remember the tribe at the moment...but it was obvious the influence another culture had on them....whether it`s religion or whatever...it`s just culture creeping in; we should just leave things be....and we don`t....(we aka society)....we still haven`t learned....

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      But do you think conversion happens naturally, or do you think that's their priority?

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        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        i dont understand this conversion concept at all...i mean whom i worship, whom i dont worship is personal matter...

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That was the whole reason they went in in the first place.

  4. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 6 years ago

    If they believe in Jesus Christ, and end up in Heaven as a result, isn't that good?

    If they end up in hell as a result of continuing in their "ungodly"idolatry, (or whatever), is that OK?

    Believers are told to "preach the Gospel" ( GOOD NEWS!)The onus is on the hearer to either accept or reject the message.

    I am TOTALLY against "converting" people by ANY form of coercion or threat!

    1. pisean282311 profile image58
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      so those who dont believe in christ end up in hell?

      1. Rishy Rich profile image79
        Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes according to him & fundamental Christianity thats how it works. Unfortunately, Muslims say the same thing about Islam too. Then there are hundreds of other religions which mentions the same bait about their belief. As a result, this creates a fundamental problem for a normal human being specially who doesnt belong to any of those religion, since he has to study all of these religions in order to find out the truth in his short life time. If he doesnt study all of them, he might never know which one is actually more acceptable. Given the fact that each of these religions has hundreds of separate interpretations & broken sects it is almost impossible for a rational person to find out which could be the actual word of God. Even if a person devotes himself completely to such study it wont be enough. He might have to give up his family, friends, job & all other activities to find the result of his huge subject material called - 'World religion' . Even after such comprehensive study for full life time, the possibility is 99.99% that the person wont be able to reach a 100% acceptable answer in the field of religion & wont be able to prove that One particular faith is right while other belief systems are wrong...because the faith system doesnt walk in a rational way.

        The Christians who proudly announce that they are right while others are wrong - are just following what their Daddy & Mommy taught them. Yes there are some converts who has only studied one or two particular religions & ended up in an illusion that he got it right! However, he  neglects the revelations of philosophy & science, two fields which has contributed to the knowledge of mankind more than anything


        ...Thus the study of religion wont & cant help a person to find out the truth because the truth is not there! Then there is another problem - HOW DO YOU KNOW WHICH FAITH IS RIGHT & WHICH FAITH IS WRONG? Specially when faith doesnt work in a rational way! As you see, it is not possible for an unbiased mind to decide on a particular religion in his lifetime. I find it very AMUSING that GOD would send him to HELL because he couldnt decide or understood the right religion. But alas...this is the person who actually spent his whole life finding out the truth while MOST Christians babbled what their father babbled to them! May be your GOD is not fair enough to reward the right guy!

        FOLLOWING YOUR DADDY'S PATH IS EZ...But BREAKING FREE from it is HELL TOUGH!!!   roll

        1. wilmiers77 profile image59
          wilmiers77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Rishy Rich, you are at the point just after Eve eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of what's right and what's wrong. Now, faith is the substance of things hopeD for...One can't ask what faith is right or wrong, than there would be no need for faith if you know. It is impossible to please God without faith.

          God knows the heart of a person; final judgement is by
          God. The inspired Word of God says that the only unforgiving sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. They are going to hell for sure. All of us others had better love the docu of Jesus when God checks our hearts or else...WOO WEE!!!

          1. Rishy Rich profile image79
            Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Faith is often the boast of those minds who are too lazy to investigate. Its nothing but the reason of our ignorance...your ignorance! But it is not going to last long...soon enough we will find a society without superstitions & mass hysteria like religion. I hope your great great great grand children wont be a victim of blind faith as u are...

            1. Pandoras Box profile image82
              Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Faith is the reasoning of our ignorance. I don't think that's what you meant, but that's how it struck me. Knowledge is the reasoning of our intelligence, faith is the reasoning of our ignorance. Where we are ignorant we fall back on feelings. Faith is the reasoning of our feelings.

              Even the bible tells you not to trust your feelings.

              Well put, either way.

              1. Rishy Rich profile image79
                Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, faith is the reason of our ignorance...you got me ryt.

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                  klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Faith is the reason why we still exist!

                  1. Rishy Rich profile image79
                    Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Another faithful thought!

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                    stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Bullshit [term used for emphasis].

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Blah blah blah, drool drool drool.

            You Christians do love to make empty threats and pronouncements.  Your words also indicate your ignorance of your own superstition and the ramifications and repercussions of the tenets and concepts involved.

            Guess what?  If you're going to render the concepts and teachings of your malevolent and perverted superstition then you are subject to all the other superstitions you lack belief in.

            You can't have it both ways.

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Rishy Richposted 6 days agoin reply to this

          Yes according to him & fundamental Christianity thats how it works. Unfortunately, Muslims say the same thing about Islam too. Then there are hundreds of other religions which mentions the same bait about their belief. As a result, this creates a fundamental problem for a normal human being specially who doesnt belong to any of those religion, since he has to study all of these religions in order to find out the truth in his short life time."

          None of them have the 'truth.' 

          With the various superstitions they, as you indicate, promise eternal consequences for this, that and the other.  Christians become the pass around play toys for all the other celestial toddlers.  Everyone knows what happens to the toys of toddlers.

      2. thirdmillenium profile image70
        thirdmilleniumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There is no hell. Nobody, whether he believes in Jesus or not, will go there.

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          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I can believe that..  BUT..  I think that if there is a hell ??  Who ever does, will burn quicker than a snow flake,,, into nothingness.  Something like that.

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hell has a better climate and clientele.

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      Anicholposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hello aka-dj
      Just wondering if telling someone they have a choice between heaven or hell could be seen as coercive?

      1. wilmiers77 profile image59
        wilmiers77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Anichol, you are right, don't miss the right choice!

      2. aka-dj profile image80
        aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you break the speed limit, you will get booked, and pay a fine.
        If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the speed limit. big_smile

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That is different DJ. The speed limit and fine actually exist. wink

          But - love it that you go around threatening people  - in the name of religion. sad

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There is no choice.

        I can no more believe in that stone-age fecal matter than I can physically flap my arms and fly to Europe.

        According to the Christian superstition, all are mere actors in a pointless play hitting their marks and spouting their lines as scripted eons ago.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No choice. Its scripted.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Do you really think God will punish an African tribal shaman for believing in theSpirit of Rain instead of Jesus Chirst? That makes no sense to me. If God wanted that particular person to believe in Jesus, then he wouldn't have allowed him to be born into a tribe.

      I always think about this:
                 If the Spirit of an African deity, halfway dressed, with a massive shell and bone necklace appears to a white American man... say from Kentucky!  he will most likely think it's the Devil's work. The same vision might be seen as beneficial to an African tribal man.  If the vision of a white man, dressed in white ropes, wearing wings and a halo appears to an African tribal man, he'll probably think it's an alien and run for his life.

      The point I'm trying to make is that God has made us all different and I believe He will present Himself according to one's culture and background.

      It's illogical to think that someone who has never been introduced to the bible will end up in Hell for not allowing the religious conversion to take place. If it doesn't strike a chord because he just can't relate to our culture, he will not be condemned to Hell. If he were, then what does that say about God's love?

      1. aka-dj profile image80
        aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's not culturally exclusive!
        That's why we are told to preach it to ALL men. (those that haven't heard).

        Seriously searching people will always find Him, because He has promised, those who "seek Him, with their whole heart WILL find Him".
        If you really want to know what God's love is really like, look at Jesus, His life and teaching. If this doesn't "do it for you" nothing will.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Notice dj, that preaching to those who haven't heard is more about the wants and needs of those preaching than the wants and needs to whom are being preached. smile

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            klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Beelzedad, I can't even understand what you wrote! It's too early for this mumbo-jumbo! big_smile

            1. Beelzedad profile image61
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, I suspected that some time ago. wink

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It is culturally exclusive to uncultured Christians and fictional characters can never be found.  Your words are a grand example of the moral bankruptcy of Christianity.

      2. Pandoras Box profile image82
        Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ah good then. You're not a christian.

        1. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Who, me?

          1. Pandoras Box profile image82
            Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Pay attention. Answer the question directed to you and ignore the comment which clearly wasn't.

            1. aka-dj profile image80
              aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Will do.
              Your post did appear immediately after mine.
              A anomaly of the system. I will keep my , mouth shut. lol

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        klarawieckposted 6 days agoin reply to this

        "Do you really think God will punish an African tribal shaman for believing in theSpirit of Rain instead of Jesus Chirst?"

        Of course, 'God' is quite the pervert.  It drowned innocent fetus' in their mothers wombs as well as those innocents who had no knowledge of the daemon deity-by deliberate design with malice aforethought.

    4. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Perhaps if you believers kept the BAD NEWS to yourselves, there wouldn't be this level of animosity? Whatcha think DJ?

      Because when I tell you that your beliefs are garbage (which they are) - it upsets you - yet you have been "told" to do the same to everyone else.

      How hypocritical. wink

      1. wilmiers77 profile image59
        wilmiers77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Mark, you need to do some background research or thinking "why religions develop in all cultures that have become stable over a reasonable period of time?", than check out Christianity from the beginning with an open mind. Don't look at other people; look at Jesus, the Christian.

        Everything screams a "higher Power". You and I only popped up a few seconds ago on the cosmic scale of time.

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          But what a few seconds its been for Mark! lol wink

        2. mom101 profile image60
          mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Today?   Open mind?  Where? If people were to have an open mind,  they would see so much better. But how do you tell them that?
          Higher Power, Creator, Almighty. What ever label you place on it , it is still the same.
          Native American and Christianity, Let's look. The  Earth and the filling of it came first, then people. Ok. The Native American people have been mocked for respecting Nature. Christian or athesist, it does not matter. We could all learn  so much from the Native Americans.
          In my opinion, they are "closer" to the Higher Power.
          I believe we, as "Christians" would be doing them an injustice by trying to get them to follow the way of "christianity"  as it is today.

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nothing screams of a 'higher power.'  Such remains theistic delusions.

    5. the pink umbrella profile image70
      the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      so your saying that if a civilization is untouched by christianity, they end up in hell for the simple fact that they had no way of knowing about it. god, the ego on you people is astounding.

      1. wilmiers77 profile image59
        wilmiers77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Scripture reads that only after everyone hears the gospel of Jesus, the Son of God, than judgement. God knows the heart of each individual. God knows whether you accept Jesus. Now, in the world, if one doesn't think that the docu of Jesus is beautiful is on that other side...whether they know or not.

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Man, have you overdosed on the kool-aid.  Your lack of humanity is noted as is your Christian brand 'Love.'

          With your mindset don't be surprised when you take up residence in Hell.

      2. mom101 profile image60
        mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        no pink, that is not what is being said.  Hell is reserved in part for those that Know and reject.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Since no gods have made themselves apparent to me, I don't have anything to reject. Send one over my way, and then we'll talk about accepting and rejecting. smile

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There's nothing to look for or examine.

    6. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What do you consider the aspect of eternal hell to be then? Is that not a threat? Is that not emotional blackmail? Is that not terrorism?

      1. mom101 profile image60
        mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        pb--what form of disipline did your parents issue to you when you broke a rule?
        Were there different punishments for different "crimes" or did you follow one basic punishment regardless?
        My parents believed in spanking. (their right). If I physically hurt someone, or was overly disrespectful of either my parents or grandparents, I got a spanking. I hated that. I thought my parents were so cruel. UNTIL  I grew up.
        God, as our Father has told us from the get go,  the consequences if we do not accept Him.
        There is a denomination that does not believe in Hell. Nobody wants there to be one, because the way I see it,  it scares them.
        Sure, who wouldn't want to just live the any ole way and not have to worry about it.
        What is the aspect  of eternal hell? The answer can be found in a little book called the Bible. Got one?

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So - spanking is the same as burning for eternity for not believing the garbage you spread? Wot a luving Daddy. I sure do hope he doesn't love me the way wot u sed. I skeered. sad

          Reality. Got some? lol

          1. mom101 profile image60
            mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            skeered? not my choice of words. Reality.  I live in the real world, the one God created. Respect? Get u some.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Try earning it instead. wink Where I come from - that is how we do it instead of speaking nonsense and demanding it.

              Reality. Got some? Apparently not.

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                stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Notice how these Christians demand respect when they don't show any to others.

            2. getitrite profile image79
              getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



              That's a bold assertion, being that there is no evidence of a God.  It seems you live inside your imagination.

              1. mom101 profile image60
                mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Imagination? That is something you think of. Made up. Not real. .........
                I live in the world The Creator Created. I am sorry that you can't or choose not to see all the evidence of Him around you. Science did not create you. I know, they can clone you.
                Do you agree with this statement, things have to come full circle in order to be complete?
                Do you think technology is as advanced as it will be?
                Do you think that Egypt was as advanced as we are today or much behind us?
                Have you ever lived on a farm? Growing/raising/harvesting a garden is a task. Back in the day, folks would grow their garden, and from the harvest, would save seeds to replant the next year. With 90% of the seeds or plants that you purchase today, you can not do that. That is science/technology.  (On a leash mantality) on purpose.  If people would think about that, then and there would they find cruel.
                The Creator, gives us or provides for us, what we need. Oh, I can hear it now. The infamous thinking,  does he just drop by with your needs????????
                Evolution, it happened. But the question is or should be, how? What/who placed it into existence?
                His Word is powerful.

                1. Beelzedad profile image61
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I wouldn't mind visiting that world to see that evidence, where is that world, how do I get there? smile

                  1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    salvation process get you there. its free. Other n that people will always be on the outside looking in (the evidence is behind them lol)

            3. mom101 profile image60
              mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Mark  Know less---(smile smile), I am sorry you feel so insecure about your belief that you have to revert to tossing little insinuations out there about my faith.
              I was raised to treat others the way you want to be treated. Ok. I have a question for you. By the way you seem to disrespect other peoples decision of faith, is that your way of saying, hey world, treat me like a  arrogant jerk? Mark, take that for what it is, a question. Not name calling.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Passive aggressive attacks are still attacks. wink

                I am so very sorry that you feel the need to attack other people like wot jesus dun tole ya.

                Yes - I see why you would think anyone that does not agree with your ridiculous beliefs would automatically be an arrogant jerk. Not that you came out and actually said I was that - but - hey! that is the christian way.  Right?

                You are a perfect example of why I make fun of your LOLOLO "faith." LOLOLOLO

                No morals - that is your problem. Disgusting religion really. sad

                1. mom101 profile image60
                  mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  That  is a misguided statement. Yes, like I said, I try to live the best I can in respect of other people around me.
                  I have not asked what you believe, or dont believe, that is none of my business.
                  You are so badly wrong with everything in that last reply. I do not think or assume that you are an arrogant jerk because you do not believe the same as I do.
                  I did not call you a jerk. I explained that to you.If I or anyone else would say the things to you about your faith or non-faith, that you have said about ours, you would call them names.
                  I had a beautiful childhood. Dad, mom, love. They were not "church goers" but by golly I learned how to respect other people.
                  You have no authority to judge my morals, as lack of. as you think.
                  Religion in itself, I wouldnt know.
                  Morals, if I had none, I would have chewed you up and spit you out by now. But, hey,  thats how it is. I'm out of tums. See ya,
                  Have a good day

        2. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So, even though you knew the consequences of your actions, you did it anyways and got a spanking for it.

          So, what was your point again? wink

        3. Pandoras Box profile image82
          Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes I am familiar with the standard story lines. What's your point?

          big_smile Save it for someone else, Miss Mom. Been there, done that.

          What I will share with you is that I do not expect or demand unquestioning faith and devotion from my children, and would be disappointed in their character development if that is what they exhibited anyway.

          Do I punish my children for not 'believing' in things they cannot possibly know? Of course not. I'd be ashamed of my children if they went around talking crap about stuff they didn't know, spreading stories and what are effectively lies as truth.

          Would I ever cast them away from me? Destroy them? Eternally hold them in disgrace and a state of everlasting punishment? No. Of course not. It doesn't matter what atrocity they may commit. They are my children and I do love them and always will.

          That is unconditional love. That is forgiveness and mercy. I don't play games with my childrens' lives and well-being. I don't place ultimatums on them or demand ransoms before I can stand to be in their imperfect presence.

          That's the same treatment -more or less- which I received from my parents. If humans are capable of a greater love than your god -which we certainly appear to be- then what the hell do I need him for?

          To sustain my life? I'm okay with death, nothing to fear. To forgive me my sins? I already forgave myself. To teach me righteousness? I'll submit to judgment by a group of my peers, but not by a psychotic alien who knows nothing about life in my world. To show me love? He has nothing to offer, I am already loved with a love so much truer and greater than his, right here on earth, by mere lowly human beings.

          Therefore I have no need of or usage for delusions.

          1. mom101 profile image60
            mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            seems like u got it going on.

    7. skyfire profile image73
      skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL@Hypocrisy.

  5. Flightkeeper profile image76
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    If Christian missionaries are able to convert non-Christians to become Christians that's fine.  I don't belive they force anyone to convert.

    1. pisean282311 profile image58
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ofcourse they dont force anyone and if person willingly wants to convert to any religion it is simply fine..personally i dont believe in conversion concept..but if someone wants to get converted...well it is his/her choice...

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You ignore centuries of Christian history to the contrary.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      But don't you think they lose a lot of their culture by converting? Religion is a huge part of culture, I think.

      1. Flightkeeper profile image76
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Culture adjusts all the time even if those missionaries weren't there.  They have contact with people outside of their group.  If it changes a lot because they exchanged beliefs and it was voluntary then what can be done?

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's OBLIGUNTARY - Someone tells you... if you don't accept Christ as your only savior you'll burn in Hell. There are not a lot of options there. Are there?

          1. Flightkeeper profile image76
            Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No it's not.  They don't have to believe the Christ's teachings.

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              klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You don't have to do anything in life but if someone tells you that you'll have to endure everlasting pain after you die, you don't have much of a choice unless you just dismiss them as insane, which is a hard thing to do considering they gang up on their prey.

              1. Flightkeeper profile image76
                Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Klarawieck, you must think either the native tribes are very stupid or the Christian missionaries are very coercive.  In either case, it's obvious why you have this thread and it's basically to bash Christians and to make native tribes look stupid.  I'm not participating anymore but I know now where you're coming from.

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                  klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry Flightkeeper, not my intention for you to get upset. I'm not trying to make anyone look stupid. I don't think tribes are stupid, but they are an easy target since most of them have remained separated from civilization and don't have access to all the resources we have. If you have a doubt you can find out more about it - reasearch it online, watch a documentary, try to make up your own mind. They don't. That's why I think of them as an easy target and not stupid. There is a big difference.
                  As for me trying to bash Christians? not at all. I was raised catholic and although I don't practice any religion at this point in time I do respect those Christians who, in turn, show respect towards people who think and live a different way of life.

          2. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            People are always reading unspoken meanings into much of scripture. 
               How many different meanings can be read into what Jesus said...  "I have not come BUT for the lost sheep of Israel"

              He came to find the lost. He did not come to preach to the just, but to the unjust.

              The healthy has no need to see a doctor,

              I often think that the messages that the disciples taught was altered just enough to serve the purpose of the Roman Empires' New Church.
               After all this NEW Church is who assembled and edited the holy scriptures.
               There was not much that could be done to the Old Testament BUT The New testament was of their making. They included what they chose and excluded what they chose. Quite a bit of editing was at their disposal???

               And "THEY" taught that their product was the "ONLY" Inspired word of God.  When possible ...All others were destroyed.

               I believe in the God of Abraham and The Messiah (Jesus)
            But I do not believe "everything" that “everybody” says about them.

    3. the pink umbrella profile image70
      the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      thats crap. what about the native americans? they were forced to convert or die.

  6. Rishy Rich profile image79
    Rishy Richposted 6 years ago

    I would like to pose this question to those who think conversion is OK.

    Is it ok if Muslims convert Christians to Islam?

    1. Flightkeeper profile image76
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's up to the individual to voluntary become a Muslim.  That individual was not meant to be a Christian.  It's not okay if a Muslim forces a Christian to convert.  In Christianity people aren't killed for apostasy unlike Islam.

      1. Rishy Rich profile image79
        Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah ur ryt...Islam's got some serious issues. Btw, do u know how many innocent Muslims were killed by the Christians during crusade? roll

        1. leeberttea profile image61
          leebertteaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Do you know how many Muslim non-believers were killed by Muslims, in the hundreds of years prior to the Crusades?

          http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/ … rusad.html

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Tell us how many were killed by Christians in the crusades, the dark ages and the various inquisitions.  wink

            Which is the most murderous irrational belief system?

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              aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              These were NOT (GET A CLUE!!!) Christians.
              I couldn't scream it ANY LOUDER!! ARE YOU HEARING ME???


              No, I guess not. Too blind and deaf, I guess. Sad really!  sad sad sad sad

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I see - so the Muslims that killed people were not Muslims either I guess? So - no one has ever killed anyone in the name of religion. Interesting. wink

                But - yes - shouting loudly seems to be what real christians do. wink

                1. aka-dj profile image80
                  aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Stay on TOPIC please, can you?
                  YOU said christians and cruisades first
                  NOW you introduce Muslims. hmm
                  You seem to change your mind a lot. sad

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    OK DJ. On topic. None of these millions of Christians were actually Christians. I get it. I also assume that any who do not follow your way of shouting at people who do not believe as you do - are actually Christians either. So - your religion is in fact - just a minor cult with very few adherents?

                    That right?

                    I must admit - I see a lot of "christians" telling other "christians" they are doing it wrong and are not "proper" christians.

                    So - how do I tell the difference? Because you seem to be shouting and preaching and pretending an imaginary relationship is real and not behaving nicely - just like all the other Christians.

              2. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Pardon me, but another point of clarity, dj.

                Those who condoned and promoted those atrocities did in fact state they were Christians, and they used scriptures to justify their acts, no matter how much you scream. In fact, had you been screaming that then, it would very likely have been you perched high atop a burning stake or stretched out on a rack. wink

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                stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, they were very proud Xians, and they had the Babble verses to back them up, no matter how much you lie to yourself.

                Your projection about being blind and deaf has also been noted.

                Christian cowardice has never ceased to amaze me.

          2. Rishy Rich profile image79
            Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I havent seen ur link but I can guess whats in there smile . Its ok until u r suggesting Islam & christianity is not much different in terms of violence!

            1. leeberttea profile image61
              leebertteaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The article lays out the years of Muslim crusades forcing conversion or death, prior to the Christian crusades. The idea that the Christians just woke up one day and decide to spread there religion through violent means is misleading at best. Muslims have always sought through conquest to force Islam upon those they defeated, in some cases the choice was to convert or die. They don't believe in freedom of religion. Anyway I wanted to put the Crusades in context, which many seem to like to gloss over.

              1. Rishy Rich profile image79
                Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Trust me...I can post hundreds of articles which would say exactly opposite! Check ur source before trusting them! Moshe Gil?? A jew historian who is prominent for his anti islamic view.  & David  Nicolle...a Christian who is saying Christians were heroes against muslim barbers!! Funny!

                I can show numerous links where the Christian authors have claimed something u might not like     roll

                1. leeberttea profile image61
                  leebertteaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Forget the text, look at the time line. Are these historic events fact or not?

                  I'm not trying to justify or absolve Christians of any of their actions, but only wish to provide balance.

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                    klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I believe all religions have the potential of being extremely dangerous.

                  2. Rishy Rich profile image79
                    Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Your words doesnt look like u r trying to provide balance! It seems to me u r trying to defend something u believe. I know history & I dont need to look at the time line again. Muslims did commit murders & slaughters...I dont deny that but fortunately it was far far lesser than what the Christians did at that time! I think u need to undo ur previous understanding & learn it from a neutral source!

                    Happy reading smile

                2. the pink umbrella profile image70
                  the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  which religeon killed more people...wow. killing in the name of faith, and you guys are going to sit here and argue who did less of it.

                  1. LeanMan profile image81
                    LeanManposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah...

                    My god killed more than your good.... na na na na na na.....

                    lol

          3. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Any article with words "The Truth" in the title immediately raises a red flag to me. smile

            This is not to say that Islam is not guilty in mass murders - every Abrahamic religion is. Christianity probably holds the record, though. smile

            1. Rishy Rich profile image79
              Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Why not organize an award giving ceremony on this issue? roll Lets see if anyone has the guts to defeat the Christians!

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                stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                How many people have been killed by Christians since Biblical times?

                VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

                "WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"

                http://articles.exchristian.net/2002/10 … led-by.php

        2. Flightkeeper profile image76
          Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, do you know why there were Crusades?

          1. Rishy Rich profile image79
            Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I am ignorant...Please enlighten me roll

            1. Flightkeeper profile image76
              Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'm surprised since you were the one who brought it up.  Well, since you brought up something you didn't know about, do your homework and get back to me.  Perhaps we'll have some sort of discussion then.

              lol

              1. Rishy Rich profile image79
                Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Havent u seen 'Kingdom of Heaven'? big_smile I loved it for its neutrality. Although Orlando Bloom didnt play it too good but the movie was mostly based on true events i.e. the representation of the slaughters of innocent musilms, women, children & war hungry christians.


                I dont like to post lists & links of slaughters & murders hmm but if u insist I can do that to smile  ...And abt who is responsible for Crusade wars?? Please read some neutral source before arguing it. You were not there & you dont knw what the middle easterners & muslims think abt it  roll

                1. ediggity profile image60
                  ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yeah FlightKeeper study up.  You were not there during the Crusade wars, and Rishy Rich obviously was.

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I must say about Islam - there are certain practices that need to be changed... I correct myself here... that need to be ELIMINATED because they are barbaric in nature. Other than that, they can do whatever they please... as long as they don't kill or hurt anyone in the process.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Flightkeeperposted 6 days agoin reply to this

        It's up to the individual to voluntary become a Muslim.  That individual was not meant to be a Christian.  It's not okay if a Muslim forces a Christian to convert.  In Christianity people aren't killed for apostasy unlike Islam."

        No, it isn't voluntary for Christians to become Muslim.  Many Christians, recently on an island invaded by 'soldiers for Allah' {can't recall which one off-hand} had a choice between conversion or death.

        No, Christians didn't slaughter each other over apostasy, but they merrily slaughtered each other over heresy.

    2. aguasilver profile image87
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Of course, however, if that were possible then the person converted to Islam would not have been a regenerated believer, but a follower of Christ (i.e. a member of Churchianity, not in the body of Christ) any regenerated believer would undoubtedly end up showing the Muslim the truth about Christ, and may win them for Christ, especially as it's the Holy Spirit that brings Muslims to Christ.

      However if a Christian tries to convert a Muslim, the Islamic faithful will kill both of them, so I guess it was a loaded question.

      Christianity is not a belief system you cannot leave, Earnest is evidence of that. It's a faith that survives because it's believers  can testify to it's relevance to their lives.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol Once again you project your beliefs about others without a clue as to why your crazed beliefs drive people away once they get past the indoctrination.

        My interest here is in informing others that your sky fairy is a myth. lol

        I have been in and out of your fantasy, you have only travelled half the road! lol lol lol

  7. leeberttea profile image61
    leebertteaposted 6 years ago

    I think education is a good thing, but before one can impart an education they must have one themselves and those the want to educate must be interested in receiving that education. That said before anyone wants to impart their beliefs on a people they should know everything about those people, their culture and beliefs, and those people should express a desire to know about what they have to say. Pushing one's beliefs on another though isn't education. You can tell others about what you believe and why you believe it and they must make a decision to follow those beliefs on their own.

    1. Daniel Carter profile image92
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Amen! Hallelujah!

      Very well stated Lee...

  8. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    only convert the attractive ones.. I don't want any ugly people in my religion

    1. Rishy Rich profile image79
      Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wise decision wink ...You would have done GREAT AS THE POPE!!

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Helloooooooooo Clarisse! tongue

    3. susanlang profile image60
      susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      @ Greek  lol  now..come on, stay on topic or  Nick B will try and walk all over you. But I do love your funny come backs. smile

      1. susanlang profile image60
        susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Update:  The post from Greek, in which my last reply was in response to, has been removed from this page forum.  These things happen often. smile

        Hope you have a wonderful Labor Day, Greek. Cheers!

  9. Nick B profile image83
    Nick Bposted 6 years ago

    I think the missionaries have imposed their beliefs upon the natives of these far-off lands.

    They were doing perfectly well before they were interfered with and didn't know or care about so-called civilisation. In the end, it's made their lives worse in a lot of respects.

  10. susanlang profile image60
    susanlangposted 6 years ago

    Anyone claiming to be afraid of any article containing the words "the truth" seems to have a trust problem. I read many tid-bits that started with those words and they were very good reads!

    The Truth About Temptation (by Greg LaurieDuring)

    a busy lunch hour in a crowded downtown area, a minister was searching for a parking place. He circled the block again and again, with no result. Deciding to double-park, he took out his business card and wrote a note for any officer who might come by and ticket him. "Dear Officer," he wrote, "I circled this block ten times. I have an appointment to keep." He closed his note with, "Forgive us our trespasses."

    About an hour later, the minister returned to find a parking ticket under his windshield. It read, "Dear Reverend, I have circled this block for ten years. If I don't give you a ticket, I'll lose my job. Lead us not into temptation."

    Sooner or later, temptation will come your way. But you play a key role in how effectively you resist it. While it's true Satan plays a role in tempting you, you must first cooperate with him before you give in.

    As Christians, we face three enemies every day: the flesh, the world, and the devil. The flesh is the evil nature we all have within us - that propensity, that vulnerability to do the wrong thing. Next, there is Satan with his outward enticements. Then, of course, there is the world. You might say that the flesh with its desires is the internal foe. Satan with his enticements is the infernal foe, and the world with its enticements is the external foe.

    Temptation's Origins

    We must recognize that temptation originates with our bent toward doing the wrong thing. When we give in to temptation, we have only ourselves to blame (see Romans 6:16), but sometimes we blame God. But as we read in James, "Let no man say when he is tempted, 'I am tempted by God's; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone" (James 1:13).

    Temptation's Timing

    Temptation generally comes after great times of blessing. It hit Jesus when he went to the Jordan River and was baptized. The Holy Spirit came upon Him in the form of a dove, and God the Father said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" (Matthew 3:17). Immediately after this, Jesus went into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After the dove came the devil. After the blessing comes the trial.

    Temptation's Targets

    In a broad sense, everyone is tempted. However, the enemy focuses his attacks on those who are young in the faith and those who are making a difference in God's kingdom. Many Christians would recall that when they first came to Jesus, they were hit with some serious temptations. Likewise, any Christian who says, "Lord, I want you to use me," must know that Satan will attack. Be aware.

    Temptation's Entryway

    Have you ever been amazed after falling into sin and asked yourself how you ended up there? It was through a series of events that led you to ultimately rationalize that sin. Temptation generally comes in through the realm of your imagination. Think of it as if an unwelcome visitor were knocking at your door. You know you will have trouble if you open it. In the same way, when the enemy comes with temptation, don't open the door. In fact, don't even look through the peephole. Don't underestimate sin or the power of it.

    Temptation's Antidote

    It's important to note that the primary weapon Jesus used to resist temptation was the Word of God. In the same way, when the devil comes and tempts you, your first line of defense is the Bible. For example, if he whispers in your ear, "Go ahead and sin. No one will ever find out," your response should be something like: "No. It is written in Hebrews 4:13, 'All things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.'"

    Temptation's Defeat

    Temptation is the devil's primary method of attack. We all know a lot about it. None of us enjoys being tempted. But it is something that every Christian will experience. However, temptation can be resisted.

    James 1:12 says, "Blessed is the man that endures temptation..." A better translation of the word blessed would be happy. Happy is the person who makes it through temptation. If you respond as you should, then you ultimately will hold that much tighter to the Lord Jesus Christ the next time Satan comes with some kind of an enticement.

  11. Nick B profile image83
    Nick Bposted 6 years ago

    And just what has that got to do with converting tribal natives of far-off lands to Christianity?

    Could it have been the temptation of thinking they knew what was best, when they knew nothing at all?

    Should one of the ten commandments have been, "thou shalt not poke thy noses in where it's not wanted?"

    1. susanlang profile image60
      susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      @nick b   I was responding to another post here... I see you didn't  climb all over his back.  It has everything to do with it....love is not contained to one thing or one idea. It seems you lack some Nick.  So here's a big hug for ya (((((((( HUG)))))))))  hope you feel better now that you know you're loved Nick!  smile

  12. wildorangeflower profile image54
    wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago

    Karl Marx said, "religion is the opium of the masses", understanding conditions when one is poor like the passage in the bible that says, "Blessed are the poor for they will inherit the earth" -- afterlife, not now.

    I see this on some areas in different parts of the world, Christians on missions converting people on missionary work -  sometimes it conflicts with peoples culture at the specific place, like how can they have a white God etc., and when they are converted, it will mixed with their culture,

    Spaniards occupied Mexico for many years and they brought Catholicism with them, same in the Philippines, -- in the 15th to 19th century, family conversion to a religion is their target so that they can be assured that the next generations will still have same belief.

    The Muslims in the Philippines were never converted to Christians and they were never subjugated by the Spaniards when they occupied the Philippines for more than 300 years.

    Your question is that if it is right for Christians to convert natives, I think it is up to them, if they will embrace Christianity, as long as they will respect others who don't want to be converted. The tendency for some converters is that they will try to tell the others that to be converted means to see the light -- and if you are not converted yet, you are missing big part of living.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey, don't talk bad about the Spaniards. They won the worldcup! LOL

      1. Glenn Raymond profile image61
        Glenn Raymondposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think it is very normal for human beings to explore other avenues or paths, but the key to it all is, "explore it, but never let go of your faith in God."  nuff' said?

        Excellent question, by the way.

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have no reason to let go of my lack of faith in imaginary beings.  'Nuff said.

      2. wildorangeflower profile image54
        wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I didn't say anything bad about Spaniards, smile.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Karl Marx?! Did you know that in Cuba they harass religious people while using that particular quote by Karl Marx? That goes to show that a perfectly normal phrase can be easily misinterpreted causing horrible results. Why is it so difficult to find the right balance?

      1. wildorangeflower profile image54
        wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's just the way it is, at times religion incites conflict and many times it also binds people. Religion arises due to the needs for answers.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yet, we can easily bind people together without religion just as easily as we can incite conflict. But, if we take religion out of the equation, we can bind them together without inciting conflict. smile

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            klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Have you ever watched a soccer game with fans from both teams?!  Are you serious?! LOL

            1. Beelzedad profile image61
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Have you ever been to college or university or worked in a research facility? Do you spend nights with tens of thousands of other amateur and professional astronomers who amass several times a year to share their idea, equipment and photographs of the night sky?

              I could provide countless examples of such "binding" of people. smile

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                klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's the problem with you Beelzedad! You've spent too long looking up! Do some neck exercises, a little yoga perhaps? Have a little fun, my friend! wink

          2. wildorangeflower profile image54
            wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            it just the way it is, as civilization develops, religion came into being. I think it was an inevitable process. And as long as there is a need for it, it will stay that way.

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No, it reduces one avenue of reducing conflict and greatly reduces any body count.

      2. susanlang profile image60
        susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        @klarawieck   I ask that same question often, why is it so hard to find the right balance?  I think as long as we humans remain here on earth...there will never be a complete balance.

        The bible sums it up. And if you dont believe in the Saint James Bible or any bible, then science sums it up!  One way or another no human will ever have success in creating  perfect balance. Sadly!

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That's why I say Let The Hippies Rule The World! Peace sister! big_smile

          1. susanlang profile image60
            susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            @klarawieck  I know some hippies from the 60's and 70's:

            Hippies Life
            By Valencia Higuera

            The 1960's gave birth to the "Hippies." These were individuals best known for rejecting many of society's morals and attitude. Those who did not live during this era may be able to pinpoint a hippie while browsing photographs depicting the sixties.

            Hippies were likely the ones wearing very flamboyant outfits painted with flowers, long hair, and giving a peace sign.

            Hippies were born in the midst of a revolution. The revolution of the 1960's was a time when sexual freedom, drug use, and wild music took centered stage.

            Hippies were often termed swingers. The introduction of the birth control pill gave many adults "and teenagers" the freedom to experiment with sex without the fear of pregnancy.

            The birth control pill was especially praised among females. For the first time, women could express their sexuality with a number of partners.

            Hippies were also known to engage in risky drug behavior. During the 1960's drugs such as marijuana, LSD, and cocaine were easily accessible.

            Because hippies adopted a notion of freedom, many experimented with drugs in order to achieve a euphoric state of mind. Unfortunately, several hippies of the sixties developed addiction problems and died from drug overdose.

            Despite negative thoughts associated with this specific group of individuals, hippies were known for their love and compassion for others.

            The 1960's were a time or racial divide among Americans. Schools were segregated, and people of different races had a unconcealed hate for one another.

            On the other hand, the hippies embraced everyone regardless of color, faith, or sex. Hippies were deeply concerned with ending segregation, which prompted many to take part in historic movements such as the March on Washington.

            Moreover, hippies promoted love, thus many were involved in several protests to end the Vietnam War.

            Peace be with you too sissy!

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              klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I missed the 60's altogether, but either way... Long Live The Hippies!

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    china manposted 6 years ago

    NO it is quite wrong for christians to spread their bull***t to anyone else - let alone vulnerable indigenous peoples who by definition think at a realtively simple level about spritual or metaphysical things.

    Religion is the worst plague that can be spread, and the carriers should be barred from going anywhere near others.

    1. susanlang profile image60
      susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I disagree with you on all points.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That is your prerogative, Ms. Lang.

        Cheers.  smile

        1. susanlang profile image60
          susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          @ stoneyy:  Thanks for allowing it...hope you have a wonderful Labor Day!

          Cheers. smile

  14. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    people should be able to speak to other people about religion freely....

    as long as they don't come knocking on my door, call me on the phone, or otherwise get in my face and force me to hit them

    1. susanlang profile image60
      susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol  @Greek that was not very nice..but of-course you're kidding!

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        no.. not really lol

        1. Nick B profile image83
          Nick Bposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We've got a baseball bat you can borrow...

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The Greek Orthodox Church holds the best mass. Can't understand a thing the priest says! big_smile

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            me either

            1. Nick B profile image83
              Nick Bposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              ?

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              klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I just hang around until they pass the wine! tongue

              1. susanlang profile image60
                susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                @ klarawieck  is that red or white, french or italian? wink

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                  klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  what? the wine or the language the priest speaks? lol big_smile

                  1. susanlang profile image60
                    susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    @ klarawieck:  Both.. lol  lol

                    Happy Labor Day, Sister!  smile

            3. susanlang profile image60
              susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              @ Greek lol  Is that because you sit all the way in the back or because you just don't show up for service, or because your there..but you sleep through it? wink

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                it's because it is in Greek lol

          2. Nick B profile image83
            Nick Bposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Good grub afterwards too

        3. susanlang profile image60
          susanlangposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          @ Greek:  wink   Hope you have a wonderful Labor Day!  Cheers. smile

    2. Glenn Raymond profile image61
      Glenn Raymondposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Very moving sentiments, Greek One.  I tend to lean the same way you do, as far as other folks shoving it down my throat.  This is part of the reason why the sign at the bottom of my driveway says, "Keep Out, No Trespassing."

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have a mormon friend that has a sign hanging from the gate at his house that reads: Keep Out, No Trespassing, Violators will be shot at first glance, Survivors will be shot again.
        I love mormons! cool

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Or 'no soliciting' and the god botherers ignore them all to puke their drivel all over you.

  15. Nick B profile image83
    Nick Bposted 6 years ago

    I agree. I have had to resort to some pretty underhanded methods to get the Jehovah's Witnesses off my doorstep. They're a bloody nuisance.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have found that loud throaty improvised African chants combined with a posessed look and a sudden torso twitch at the moment you open the door does the trick. tongue

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I've heard opening the door while nude and shouting; "the human sacrifices have arrived" gets rid of them instantly.

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this


        jehovahs witness are not christian either. there are doctrinal differences that separate them.

        1. the 144,000 doctrine is wrong
        2. jehovahs baptism is incorrect. we do not get to dictate where we spend eternity
        3. christ did not lay down his life for sin and in punishment.
        4. jesus is not the son of god, just a good man.
        5. there is not born again salvation

        Just for starters.

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          to ad to your list.


          6. There is no sky fairy.
          7. The bible and quoran are totally psychotic books.
          8. Religionists keep plastering their beliefs all over the net because they are trying to get their belief up to the same level as their indoctrination tells them to! lol

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          JW's are Christian in spite of your assertions to the contrary oh son of Satan.

  16. Nick B profile image83
    Nick Bposted 6 years ago

    Hmm. Interesting concept.

    I'm sure the world's other religions would be only too pleased...

  17. leeberttea profile image61
    leebertteaposted 6 years ago

    I think it was Voltaire that said 'if God didn't exist, man would have found it necessary to invent him' or something like that.

    1. wildorangeflower profile image54
      wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe Voltaire is right,  because there are metaphysical questions that are often asked, like Why am I here, purpose etc.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Metaphysical questions are rubbish from start to finish-mental masturbation.  Further not all questions {mostly metaphysical} aren't valid.

        Why is a person here?  Their parents had sex or the lady had an IVF procedure.

        Purpose?  If one needs a 'purpose' they can give themselves one and change it when they like.

        As for 'divine purpose,' what if one's entire reason for being was to distract someone for a moment as an infant by puking all over someone else.

        Now their 'purpose' has been fulfilled, should they die or be killed?

        I can see the 'purpose' of myriad theists are to be bad examples.

        1. mom101 profile image60
          mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          stoneyy--do you have an upset stomach? You have mentioned puke a couple of times in your last couple of  posts.
          I do  hope you are feeling well, if not, maybe you could try chewing on a little yellow root. Takes the quease right away.

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Mum, you're right on time to dishonestly, and cowardly avoid the points raised.  Then y'all can't figure out why you're being laughed at.  Gotta love that Xian cowardice, dishonesty, and ignorance that is Christian Morality[tm].

            1. mom101 profile image60
              mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Excuse you grand stoenyy, you seemed to have mistaken me for todays xian.
              Bad.  Ignorant? Made fun of? me? SOOOOOOOO what. Should I cry now? Would that make you feel so manly?
              Coward? Dishonest? Save those flowers for yourself my friend.
              You dont think I am keeping up. It figures. You see, you are the one who is behind. I thought you were not feeling too well. So, I offered you a little advice, that would have helped your upset belly. Oh, and in case you still have your blinders on, the yellow root, it is the root of a plant found alongside a creek. You now, a NATURE thing. Oh yeah, and it works. Go figure. It is from Nature, it works, in its original state, no additives needed.  Get that from science. You cant.

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                stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You're so full of Xian love mom.  You follow your father, Satan, well.

                1. mom101 profile image60
                  mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Mercy. So opinionated. Or maybe just plain ole rude. Whichever,  I was just trying to be neighborly. Didn't mean to cause all that negative energy.

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                    stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I leave the rudeness to Xians like you, although I have a tendency to reflect it back.  No, you weren't trying to be 'neighborly.'

  18. luvpassion profile image60
    luvpassionposted 6 years ago

    Most Native tribes lived in harmony with nature and everything around them, they believed in a Universal Being already without outside influence.

    "The Indian loved to worship. From birth to death, he revered his surroundings. He considered himself born in the luxurious lap of Mother Earth, and no place was to him humble. There was nothing between him and the Big Holy (Wakan Tanka). The contact was immediate and personal, and the blessings of Wakan Tanka flowed over the Indian like rain showered from the sky. Wakan Tanka was not aloof, apart, and ever seeking to quell evil forces. He did not punish the animals and the birds, and likewise, he did not punish man. He was not a punishing god. For there was never a question as to the supremacy of an evil power over and above the power of Good. There was but one ruling power, and that was Good."
    -Chief Luther Standing Bear -
    Teton Sioux, Born 1868

    I think we can learn much from them spiritually.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And I've never heard of a Native American trying to convert non-Natives to their tribal religion. Have you?

  19. Shil1978 profile image88
    Shil1978posted 6 years ago

    No, it was never right and would never be right!! Who is to say who ends up in 'heaven' or 'hell.' What right does anyone have to impose his/her religious views on others. To supposedly 'save' people, many native peoples and their cultural identities have been wiped out. Can that EVER be right?

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, via the stone-age 'might makes right' mindset of the Abrahamic superstitions, for one.

  20. leeberttea profile image61
    leebertteaposted 6 years ago

    We can't and shouldn't assume that people that accept the teachings of missionaries do so by use of force. People decide whether or not they want to accept those teachings, and to do so probably isn't easy, they have to overcome years of long held beliefs, traditions and customs and do so in the face of their peers friends and families. Let's give these converts some credit for having the courage to make up their own minds.

    1. luvpassion profile image60
      luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Indeed,  during the late part of the 19th century and early part of the 20th century, government  agents sought to eradicate the Sun Dance among Plains Indian nations and to ban the peyote religion wherever they encountered it.

      State officials especially targeted peyote worship, classifying the cactus as a narcotic on a level with cocaine or hashish, even though the evidence suggests peyote is not addictive.

      Government officials also sought to extinguish communal dances among Pueblo Indians, potlatch ceremonies among northwestern tribes, world renewal ceremonies in northern California, fiestas in southern California, and other traditional practices. They assumed traditional ceremonies made Native men and women militant, pagan, and wasteful. They sought to replace these with Christianity.

      During this period, the United States and Canada compelled Native children to attend boarding schools. In these institutions, teachers sought to force Indians to conform to white ways of acting, dressing, and believing.

      Facing these pressures from government authorities, all Native Americans developed ways to accommodate a hostile and powerful culture, without capitulating entirely or surrendering to despair

      1. leeberttea profile image61
        leebertteaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Government intervention in people's lives is never good. I'm sure they justified it at the time and probably most of the European Americans at the time thought this policy was for the good of the natives.

        We have to be very wary of institutions that claim to be acting for our own good. Those decisions are best left up to individuals.

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      leebertteaposted 6 days ago

      We can't and shouldn't assume that people that accept the teachings of missionaries do so by use of force."

      Cue the US christian government concerning the Native Americans.  Teaching the languages, culture, and customs were banned. Cue the elimination of tribal names by christian government fiat.

  21. wildorangeflower profile image54
    wildorangeflowerposted 6 years ago

    In a way this is how a new culture is developed through assimilation or transfer of culture when one country or other people introduced a new way of living or belief to other culture

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      but if we keep imposing western culture upon others, there will be a point when there will be no diversity. Do you think that will be a good thing?

      1. Shil1978 profile image88
        Shil1978posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That would be oh so boring, wouldn't it? Everything would be the same - no diversity at all. Of course, it won't be a good thing. So much of history has been lost in the pursuit of 'saving' people from 'pagan' practices!!

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The Mc-city  {mcdonalds} concept has spread throughout the US and is swallowing the world.

          Cities have become almost faceless with the chain business' from sea to shining sea.'  The only change is the designator of the Mc-city.

          Virginia Beach, VA., used to have diversity and vibrancy.  It was a jumping and fun place.  Not anymore.  It's now Mc-same.

          I was saddened to find a Pizza Slut at the foot of Edinburgh Castle in Scotland some years ago.

          1. mom101 profile image60
            mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So thats it.  McCity made you sick.

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              stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No Mum.  Cowardly and dishonest Xians like you make me sick.

              Do at least *try* to keep up.

  22. ceciliabeltran profile image85
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    IS it the right for the europeans to live in the USA and conquer tribal natives?

    it happened, yeah. people are stupid this way. But it works out in the end.

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    pcoachposted 6 years ago

    In an effort to stick with the question at hand, Is it right to convert them?  Are you kidding?  Did someone put a gun to their heads to make them convert? Or did they receive kindness and aid from people who happen to be Christian who don't care what their ideology is?  The only qualification you need is to be a human being and they want to help. Welcome sister and hallelujah!!!!  Stick your religions sideways, okay? If Christianity IS "the big hoax" or the "darkest con on mankind," I'll take it compared to Islam any day of the week. As far as I am concerned, until we can get our borders under control in all aspects, not just Mexico but ALL foreign immigrants, I say we STOP ALLOWING ISLAMIC PERSONS IN THIS COUNTRY.  I care more about the safety of my children and grandchild LIVING IN THE PIT OF HELL IN PHOENIX than I do about your blinkin' religion or hurting your feelings.  Go ahead, rip me up for that, by all means.  You have the floor, regardless of how ridiculous you may sound.  Go for it.  I've said my piece and I'm leaving this room before people who do not agree with me try to ream me a new behind.  Discussion is one thing but to not even hear the other arguments or comments, well, you get what you reap.

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      pcoachposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Correction, you reap what you sow!!!!!!  It was not incorredt to say you get what you reap, but I felt I needed to come back and clarify, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.  Now, sorry to delay your inevitable(sp?) reaming.  You have the floor.

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      pcoachposted 4 days ago

      "In an effort to stick with the question at hand, Is it right to convert them?" 

      No, it isn't.

      "Are you kidding?"

      Not at all. 

      "Did someone put a gun to their heads to make them convert? "

      In many cases, just so.



      "Or did they receive kindness and aid from people who happen to be Christian who don't care what their ideology is?"

      Their motivation wasn't kindness and aid.  Their goal was cultural destruction from the start.

      Of course, like thieves in the night, Christians had to slink in like the slime they were.

      That said, there are Christians who do, and did, just that provide aid.  They kept their religion as a private matter and left the people who they were guests of alone.


      "I say we STOP ALLOWING ISLAMIC PERSONS IN THIS COUNTRY.  I care more about the safety of my children and grandchild LIVING IN THE PIT OF HELL IN PHOENIX than I do about your blinkin' religion or hurting your feelings."

      Another 'Ugly Christian' raises his head.  How sadly common.

      Slave, you're ordered to thank your daemon deity construct for the phoenix hell pit which was lovingly given.

      The Native Americans, I'm sure have been saying that for a few hundred years now.  So, when are you leaving?

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this
  24. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    "Morals, if I had none, I would have chewed you up and spit you out by now"
    I'd like to see you trying to do that! It would amuse the hell outta me for one thing. smile

    1. mom101 profile image60
      mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey, I have before. Lately though the mood hasnt struck. You know, choosing my battles. I mean, I am just an ole country girl from the hills of Tn. Gots a little bit of bear in me.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Where abouts, if I may ask.  Tennessee's a beautiful state although its been many years since I've explored it.

        1. mom101 profile image60
          mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          South east. Between Knoxville and Chattanooga.

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you for the response, Mom.

            Offers Mom a virtual cuppa coffee.

            I sat here for a few minutes to see what might arise out of my destroyed memory tracks.

            I remember you could hardly see the scenery for all the billboards.  Washing machines on porches {good use of space}, flashes of the Smokey Mtns., and lake water that was almost of bathtub temperature.

            A place called "Granny's,' I think, which advertised the worst coffee in the world-they were right.

  25. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    After Mark, I'm going to convert Earnest.. and then that is the last one... I promise.

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol perhaps a long and difficult task! smile

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        nah. Mark's a shoe in

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Only if the shoe fits. smile

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            i have one for him, and the other for you...

            wouldn't you want me as a Godfather, other than some of the more 'aggressive' on here??

            1. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well I guess so! I mean you always give me a good belly laugh, and you even see the funny side of things!

              A believer with a sense of humour? Very novel! lol

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                and this week only... conversions are only $3!!

                (I'm charging Mark $4.. but I like you better...

                this week only)

                smile

                1. earnestshub profile image89
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm just a simple mechanically minded man, What are we converting to ..... LPG? smile

                  1. Greek One profile image81
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    stop asking questions.. you born again types are all the same.. just send me the $3!!

  26. mega1 profile image81
    mega1posted 6 years ago

    There are a few religions that really believe they are superior human beings and need to convert all others to their way.  They generally miss all the beauty and diversity in the world because of their basic insecurity that allows them to narrow their vision so completely they don't even see all the wisdom and knowledge that has been here far longer than they have been here!  So, yes, I believe it is wrong for Christians to go around trying to convert people of any kind and make them more like them, just so they can feel comfortable with all the sameness.  It is more than wrong, it is despicable and destructive.

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "There are a few religions that really believe they are superior human beings and need to convert all others to their way."

      What religions believe they are superior human beings?

      Can you convert someone into being superior?

      1. mega1 profile image81
        mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        you can see and decide for yourself - probably most religions believe their way is superior and that they are superior humans for believing what they do.  That's the way they talk and behave so I come to that conclusion - don't want to get in trouble with you guys here but I see alot of those people in our religious forums quoting their bible and acting like they are the only ones who know all the answers.

        oh, and they try to lead people to believe that if they will only act and behave the way they do that they, too, will be superior. 

        If you disagree just say so instead of asking me these questions - you can see that I've already stated what I believe.

        1. Jim Hunter profile image59
          Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I wouldn't have asked if I knew the answer.

    2. Dave Barnett profile image60
      Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The Christians came among the people and stole their ways of life, forced them to become "clean". The old ways are gone forever. It was part of progress. This is perhaps the biggest sin that christians have to answer for, and their own god is watching.

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    mom101,

    You are playing nice... but let me warn you... them skeptics can get pretty rowdy and nasty. Watch out! big_smile Don't let them get under your skin.

    http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z106/lonelimplizard/stinky_imp.jpg

    1. mom101 profile image60
      mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I hear ya

      1. mom101 profile image60
        mom101posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, and in answer to your question, No, I don't think the Natives should be  converted.  I believe they are much more closer to Nature than we are. Do you  think we could learn from them?

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          klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Definitely!

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Immeasurably.   :wave:

  28. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Al religions peddle converion, why pick on cristians , but you're right they do. Is it wrong ?, if you're politically correct it is. Is it right? It's up the convertee, isn't it?
    More than this though there is a concerted effort by the western world to manifest "goodness" politically thats  whats going on everywhere. All else is is just a sideshow........

  29. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Even if that were biblically accurate, which I believe it is not, this would still be a decision made by someone suffering a psychosis, not a god. smile

  30. alternate poet profile image77
    alternate poetposted 6 years ago

    I have been taking a look at religion/spirituality here in the China of today for a hub.  If you just believe me when I say it is good stuff and we should all be doing it (I can tell what IT is later) - now who is up for a holy mission to mormon land where we will go knocking door to door and sell this to the natives ?

    Sign up below.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'll pass... it's too hot and dry in Utah!

    2. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It would be the natural thing to do.

        Do ya think that the natives know that they need it?

      1. alternate poet profile image77
        alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That is ok - we are going to give them a handful of beads, a few deadly deseases, make an example of a tribe or two by nailing them up somewhere, then wee are going to teach them a real language from our book and keep them at it till they GOT IT !!~!

        Then we are going to enslave the ones who aren't dead yet, any that refuse we will massacre then send the women, children and old men to live in some crappy desert somewhere.  But they will get the word , just have to figure out some wildly improbable and patently stupid bulldust to feed 'em.

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Rolling...............

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Is it right for Christians to convert tribal natives?


    If the natives understand the facts and they are not tricked into believing; then there is no harm in it.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  32. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    For there to be "no harm in it" you would need to rewrite most of history! lol

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That isn't a problem for them.

  33. CkhoffmanK profile image61
    CkhoffmanKposted 6 years ago

    Nobody should force anybody to come to their religion. It's sickening and a form of massive control.

    Especially given the christian past of slaughtering those who dont convert. sick.

  34. mythbuster profile image85
    mythbusterposted 6 years ago

    Conversion of entire cultural groups is about power and oppression, in my estimation, not about spirituality or the benefits of following any chosen deity.

  35. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Ask the Australian "stolen generation" what they think of it!

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    Have you ever seen a Native American trying to get people to convert and believe in WakanTanka?

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Now that you mention it............ no I haven't. smile

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I can't believe this forum is still going! LOL

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Agreed! It can be answered with an emphatic NO!!!! smile Mythbuster nailed it.

  37. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Always so much devisiveness in the answers , No? , why not reason?Isn't  Any religion is good for a society. Why not christianity too? What is it about order and spreading goodness in any society that bothers you people so much. Example ,If you go to the store and buy something , you bought it didn't you? Yes, someone sold you something , but you bought it Christianity ,like any religion , is a choice.

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      klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, but how many people really love having the AVON lady wake them up on a Sunday morning? Or the Jehova Witnesses for that matter!

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        ketouposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You could always shoo the AVON lady away smile

        Some might even buy the AVON product. So if you look at it, the lady is benefiting some people else she won't be wasting her time going house to house.

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    ketouposted 6 years ago

    I don't know what is wrong with tribals converting.

    We always feel that we are better than them just because we are a little "formally educated" and so ask these questions. Just because they are uneducated does not mean that they cannot decide what is best for themselves.

    If they want to convert, let them convert. If they do not want, then will not convert. Or should we choose for them?

    If there is a problem that christians (or any other religion) are going and converting them, why don't others go and tell them that the tribal life is the best with the same zeal as these christians if they care so much. Or do we just care about conversions because we want to see diversity or are against some religion?

  39. alternate poet profile image77
    alternate poetposted 6 years ago

    Missionaries are best boiled with garlic, carrots and loads of onions, no salt needed as they are full to the brim with corcodile tears about anything, but which are really just for them - the stench of hypocrisy should be skimmed from the top regularly and tehn feed the whole mess to the pigs.  Or roasted on a spit over their very own hellfire.

 
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