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Creating the Universe

  1. TruthDebater profile image61
    TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago

    Do you create the universe, the universe creates you, or both?

    It could be said that you create everything you see and sense by your mental interpretation. If it takes the mind to determine all physical reality, would it take a mind to build all physical reality? If it wouldn't take a mind to build physical reality, why is a mind needed to determine physical reality?

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting questions.

      The universe existed before you, although you can't perceive or interact with it other than the short time you are alive.

      Physical reality exists regardless of a person's mental state.  It's why any person who steps twenty feet in front of a swiftly moving heavily loaded semi/lorry gets turned to jam.

      Careful, some of the questions lead to solipsism.

    2. pisean282311 profile image56
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      very interesting question my friend...

    3. schoolgirlforreal profile image72
      schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this
  2. JulesGerome profile image60
    JulesGeromeposted 6 years ago

    You don't create the Universe. You only interpreted it

    1. TruthDebater profile image61
      TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks. I see interpreting as creating the images in the mind, so how is this different from creating it?

      1. JulesGerome profile image60
        JulesGeromeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The difference is called ' materialism' Your mind doesn't create mater. Interpretes what the mater is.

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The three states of matter:

          Matter, anti-matter, and doesn't matter.  wink

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol

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              stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you.  I'll be here all week.  wink

  3. IntimatEvolution profile image82
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    "Do you create the universe, the universe creates you, or both?"

    Interesting theoretical line of questioning here.  However, I guess we will never know. Since our greatest minds don't have a clue, I won't even try to pretend that I would have one either. 

    Nevertheless, very interesting line of questioning.  I'm curious to read the outcome.

    1. TruthDebater profile image61
      TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks IntimatE, maybe none of us have a clue, I would still enjoy your thoughts.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You know, I really do not have a clue.  However, I find your line of questioning to be the most intriguing.  Imagine our world a matrix of our vivid imaginations.  That means that somehow our collective body of minds are somehow interconnected.  That we on some level must be telepathic. 

        You know the government has been documenting telepathic science studies for years.  In one of their projects, they take a person and have them concentrate on a particular building in Russia, France, anywhere and they show them an aerial view of the building for a brief minute or two. 

        The government has proven that people have the capabilities to look inside the bldg, give exact details of the interior (like what pictures are hung on a wall to where the phone is setting on a particular desk), along with giving details of conversation that was taking place during that particular moment.  It is as if the person sitting in the chair in the USA is channeling inside the mind of someone who is walking the halls in a bldg over in Russia lets say.  Really amazing stuff, furthermore, if this theory has any weight to it, I think that this study is a direct link to providing data.  Which I think is an amazing possibility.  Don't you?

        1. TruthDebater profile image61
          TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank You. That is pretty amazing stuff, it is hard for me to even imagine how it's possible, but I can imagine it being possible. I have a pretty good idea there are a few undiscovered senses we have, but don't realize yet. I don't know about thought frequency and if that has anything to do with it, but it seems possible considering we can often predict or be close to predicting how someone is thinking or feeling, or what they are thinking by how they are acting or feeling.

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
            IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah- deep stuff.  But if everyone is seeing the "pyramids" the same way, in relationship to the theory mentioned, then we must be interconnected somehow for it to be the same.  Do you see what I'm trying to get to?

            Yes- very interesting stuff.

          2. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If so, the Nobel institution would like to talk with you, unless it actually is something you just imagined being possible. wink

        2. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Sounds like a lot of nonsensical and conspiracy theory hearsay. smile

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The government has?  Objective supporting evidence please.

          1. Dave Barnett profile image61
            Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, the cold war remote veiwing experiments were killed by congress in the eighties after years of questionable success, the experiments were carried out by the CIA and was the inspiration for the movie "The Men Who Stare At Goats"

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              stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Too bad they don't stare at rabid fundamentalists.

              Please note I'm not indicating you're one.

  4. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 6 years ago

    You can ignore the universe/reality, but that universe/reality won’t ignore you.

    1. TruthDebater profile image61
      TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks. You make a strong point. So do you think the universes creation is stronger independent of individual creation or do you think there is balance between the two considering it takes much individual interpretation to survive?

  5. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Before that question can be answered properly we would have to determine what a universe is.
           "A parable of the universe"
       It can be said that each of us is a universe or solarsystem in and of ourselves.

       And these interact (sometimes colide) just as other solar systems do way way out there ??????
       
       I don't think that we create "OUR" universe but we do get to do with it as we please up to the limit of the power that we have within it, as does everyones.
      And we sometimes feel like we live in a pinball machine.

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      As I posted above your remark, maybe the universe is a matrix.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yea ..   our posts overlaped.  When I read yours I said to my self.   OOPS

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh yeah no that is not what I was referring to, but I just didn't know if that is kinda what you might be thinking.

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Might not have been exactly,  but kinda,  at least a parallel thought pattern.

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
              IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah..., we seem to do that don't we?tongue 

              I guess one can say that we are two peas of a pod.smile

              1. Jerami profile image77
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I see that happening quite often.


                  I've thought about (If I had the time and fortitude) going back through everything that some people have posted in here that I agree with,giving credits where credits are due, formulating a single but differet conclusion than they intended.

                  That would freak some people out to see their common beliefs instead of the dirrerences.

                  I guess it is all in which side we choose to focus on.

                1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
                  ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  we are like neurons connecting to form, once again a model of the universe. it is such a repeating pattern.

                  1. Jerami profile image77
                    Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    That could be one of the posts that should be included in my before mentioned project.

                       I gotta go out side for a while.  House may fall down If I don't tent to a few things.

                      Will be checking back in from timt to time.

                2. IntimatEvolution profile image82
                  IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Ah, that is so true.  I think there are more people who agree with each other, than disagree. 

                  Maybe that can be related to the matrix theory somehow.

                  1. Jerami profile image77
                    Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    That is true.  People agreeing more than they know?  HUMMMM

      2. ceciliabeltran profile image86
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.ted.com/talks/henry_markram_ … crets.html

        I love this talk so much I must have posted it ten thousand times. But this kind on answers that.

  6. ceciliabeltran profile image86
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    Hi TD,

    We definitely create our universe. And that is already known. The way the brain works is it gathers information from the senses and makes an interpretation of it BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW...meaning if you do not know what it is, YOU WON'T SEE IT.

    What the senses see is another, how we remember what we perceived is directly linked to emotional associations.

    There was this interesting special that explained this.OH wait. eveybody must have heard WHAT THE BLEEP? It told a story about the first indian that did not see the ships coming from the sea because he has not seen it before.

    Also our eyes can also see things relative to the needs of our biology. WE look at fruits and see color, because hey we need to know which fruit has what goody. But is the banana really yellow outside of our perception? Flies don't see yellow. So whose right, the fly or us?

    What reality seems to be outside of our senses is this : NOTHING is there but energy transactions.

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Are we positive that flies don't see yellow?

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        as far as I know they see contrasts and red.

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hm...., what color are contrasts?

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            light and dark, do you have information?

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
              IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No, I was just wondering.  I agree with Beez on this one.  We know how and where color originates, so.......... unless we are a fly I think there is room for error in what science says a fly can see.  I guess we should of left that question up to Jeff Goldblum.

              http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RLDUqk0GK2j3dM:http://www.celluloiddreams.co.uk/images/thefly2.jpg&t=1

              However, I went to the link and what an interesting project.  Blue brain, even has a catchy name.  I hope this all really works.

              1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
                ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol, true...true... but we are here now.

                1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
                  IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Indeed we are.tongue

                  So have you seen this guy talk in real life?  Is he for real?

                  1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
                    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Who Markham? No he was in California. The Brain Geek here in New York is a beautiful woman who studied attention in Cornell. That was interesting too.

                    Her metaphors are succinct. According to her, we have a watchdog that watches out for our long term goals underneath the tasks of the day and when it sees something in line with that long term goal. it derails the task of the day to pursue the longterm one.

                    Kind of like, trust your feet, it knows where it is taking you.

              2. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Flies and other insects with compound eyes can see colors. In fact, they can see frequencies we can't see, like infra-red, for example. smile

    2. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Colors are nothing but the results associated with light absorption of the materials properties of reflection and dispersion of photons, their length and frequencies. It is the light receptors within any species eyes that determines what colors will be recognized. smile

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        exactly

  7. ceciliabeltran profile image86
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    I gotta cook breakfast, hold on.

  8. brotheryochanan profile image60
    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

    When i look up i see a universe. How did i create that? It was/is just there and i saw it. The eye registers things around us by light reflecting off the object. If i see a ball in the backyard it is because the ball is there, i did not create the ball, i just walked into the backyard, that was there before i got there. More likely the manufacturer of the ball created the ball and the manufacturer of the universe created the universe.
    I still had my hands in my pockets while all this creation was going on.

    and people say religionists have some weird questions  lol

    1. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Very much like the manufacturer of the ball, where do I find the "Made by God Inc." label in the universe?

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        bro would be very upset to find the 'universe manufacturing label' to read 'Tiamat the Dragon.

    2. profile image60
      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Objective supporting evidence the universe was manufactured and manufactured by your imaginary buddy?

      Secondly, who manufactured your imaginary buddy who manufactured the universe?

      If your imaginary buddy didn't require manufacturing then the universe doesn't require manufacturing either.

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am tempted to answer this....but it will take so much time. lol
        and i do know its rhetorical if not sarcastic (oh wait sarcastic if not rhetorical)

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.6000years.org
        All you have done since you joined hubpages is harass the religion forums. I owe you nothing.

        but if you want to do a little research instead of....

    3. ceciliabeltran profile image86
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      that is true in one level. but then there are hierarchies of truth that you can reach beyond the functional one...you don't have to.

    4. ceciliabeltran profile image86
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ok I'm going to say it...bro. update. for your own sake. start with quantum mechanics.

  9. TruthDebater profile image61
    TruthDebaterposted 6 years ago

    So the materialist view is that thought is the sum of it's parts created by the universe, the dualist view is that thought and mind are separate from the body which creates the universe and all physical reality?

    What is the best evidence from the dualist view that mind is separate and the creator of all physical reality?

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      once again, excellent questioning.

  10. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    The sky fairy gone dunnit! lol

    1. profile image60
      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No no no.  It was the Tooth Fuzzy!  Harrumph.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Blasphemy!

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Die.  Heretic......  wink

 
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