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Historical Sources about Muhammad

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/51022?p … ost1174079

    Rishy Rich wrote:

    Its the opinion of Historians, its the opinion of the highest rated unbiased scholars & reliable sources of present time. But you will not understand

    Paarsurrey wrote:

    What is your source of Historical Sources about Muhammad? Please provide the link.

    Paarusrrey adds:

    To me, there are no sources about Muhammad's life, of Muhammad's time, except Quran.

    All other sources are only secondary or even lower than that.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. jay_kumar_07 profile image61
      jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi
      Iam not  a scholar in QURAN. But I got some answers in QURAN as like other spritual Books. If we ask and search we will find out.
      jay.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        You may answer questions or you may ask questions from Quran.

        1. jay_kumar_07 profile image61
          jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          GOD gave Hevenly food MANNA  to the people of MOSES.
          Our regular food also suitable for Hevenly people
          Pl guide.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this



            It was perhaps the food available in the desert of Sinai like mushrooms or seasonal birds visiting there .

            1. libby101a profile image60
              libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Can you quote this from God? Please put your quote so everyone can see.

              Thanks.

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I wrote explanation with the words "perhaps “meaning that it is an interpretation and not words of God.

                For reason of the interpretation please access:

                http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?p … ;region=E1
                http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?p … ;region=E1

                The interpretations are only to be believed if understood and convinced with.

                1. libby101a profile image60
                  libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Not useful then! It is not the word of God!

                  Peace

        2. dutchman1951 profile image61
          dutchman1951posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Parr, your words?
          You may answer questions or you may ask questions from Quran.

          you can say the same for a Wigi Board! Does not mean anything is truth at all.

    2. earnestshub profile image85
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      it's hard to imagine anything lower than the quoran. smile

    3. dutchman1951 profile image61
      dutchman1951posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Parr what does the word Ahmadi mean, I am curious, please tell?

      1. pisean282311 profile image58
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ahmadi is a sect...formed by ghulam ahmad..

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Muhammad's another name was Ahmad. Both of these names were mentioned/prophesied in the Bible for a great Prophet Messenger like Moses who was to come in Arabia.

        We Ahmadi Muslims call ourselves for distinction purposes after the second name of Muhammad ie Ahmad and hence the derivative Ahmadi

        1. dutchman1951 profile image61
          dutchman1951posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          thank you, now i understand the sentence at the bottom of your posts.

    4. Shahid Bukhari profile image60
      Shahid Bukhariposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Please try understand ... Quran is the Source of Understanding, Islam ... hence, the Last Messenger and Prophet of Allah's conveyed Message.

      Islam is not an Academic, or a logical Question ... Islam, is the Following of The Ordained Way of Life ...

    5. Abhaque Supanjang profile image46
      Abhaque Supanjangposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Al-Qur'anul Kariem is the holy book of Islamic people. There isn't much Information about the history of Nabiyullah Muhammad SAW inside it. The history on Muhammad SAW is mostly gotten from his friends, and this is not a secondary source, they are the primary ones - the information is valid and reliable. I don't need to tell you the source in internet; find them by yourself.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    There are no sources about Muhammad's life, of Muhammad's time, except Quran. And Quran mentions the events of his life as they took place; like it is a live transmission of the events.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The earliest source of information for the life of Muhammad is the Qur'an, although this doesn't give much information.[1][2] Next in importance are the historical works by writers of third and fourth century of the Muslim era (~900-1000 C.E.).[

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Muhammad

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Quran is not authored by Muhammad it is authored by the Creator-God Allah YHWH; as the events unfolded Word of revelation with guidance from Him were received and in this way it is the most rational Word of Revelation; and it is in the same form as it was when Muhammad died. Since it is witnessed by the Creator-God Allah YHWH, it needs no further witnessing.

    For life of Muhammad it is the only source

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      smattomposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Piffle and babble.

      Quran WAS authored by Muhammad (if Allah wrote it, he's guilty of many inconsistencies...an omnipotent god can't really make mistakes, can he?).

      What's rational about imagining that god has asked you to write something? I'd be worried about my mental health if this happened to me.

      It was witnessed by allah, you say; but did anyone manage to witness allah's witnessing, barring Muhammad? Didn't think so, convenient that. So, since it was witnessed by something for which there's no evidence that it actually did witness, how does it need no further witnessing?

      The last sentence of your posting would only make sense if you're saying that Muhammad somehow fed on the book he created. I'm sure you didn't mean that, but I do have a very strong babble detector!

      Best wishes and all that.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The earliest source of information for the life of Muhammad is the Qur'an

  6. dutchman1951 profile image61
    dutchman1951posted 6 years ago

    I went to look for sources, and this is what I did find:

    The earliest and most famous biography of Mohammed is, "Sirat Rasul Allah" (The Life of the Prophet of God) of Ibn Ishaq. The dates given for Mohammed's life are 570-632 AD. Ibn Ishaq was born about 717 and died in 767. He thus wrote his biography well over 100 years after Mohammed lived, precluding his gaining any information from eyewitnesses to the Sira, as they would have all died themselves in the intervening years.
    However, no copies exist of Ibn Ishaq's work. We know of it only through quotations of it in the History of al-Tabari, who lived over 200 years after Ibn Ishaq (al-Tabari died in 992). Thus, the earliest biography of Mohammed of which copies still exist was written some 350 years after he lived.

    many Islamic scholars question if he exhisted. Interesting enough the arguments I have read are almost similar to those about Jesus exhisting. Interesting.

    all I know about it   smile

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The earlier Muslims did not think it essential to write any life account of Muhammad; as they found all essential things already recorded like a live commentary in Quran. Whatever is written in Quran about Muhammad depicts his exemplary character and rational teachings; enough for guidance for the human beings.

      1. skipper112 profile image60
        skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        OMG paar are you for real,Mohammed was a war monger, a child molester,a thief, THAT is EXEMENTLARY character, he even Forced the Meccan's to accept the Quran by War as they relized Mohamed was a false prophet, if that is GUIDENCE you can have it all to yourself. Now I understand why you attack Jesus with such vemon

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    To me, there are no sources about Muhammad's life, of Muhammad's time, except Quran.

    All other sources are only secondary or even lower than that.

  8. Greek One profile image79
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Paar you are using sources that are too old and thus unreliable.  The only true source about Mohammed that that can be trusted is Howard Cossel

    http://www.thesweetscience.com/images/5839/cosell_ali_240x230_032006.jpg

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The sources are of the time of Muhammad; and hence most reliable.

      1. Greek One profile image79
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I can write a book today about a living historical figure.

        The fact that i am his contemporary does not mean that my book would be an accurate portrayal

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Please go on writing such a book.

          1. Greek One profile image79
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            who should I pick?  Can I write about you?

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You may write an autobiography; there is however no compulsion from me.

              1. Greek One profile image79
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                i think your life story would sell more books.. mine is boring.  Tell me a bit about yourself.. got any hobbies other than religion?

                1. skipper112 profile image60
                  skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  opps you were doing ok Greek then you asked Paar a hard Question, think paar will go and start a new post paar cannot handle HARD questions.

          2. pisean282311 profile image58
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            @paar greek made a very very valid point out here...

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    crusader112posted 6 years ago

    Parr,
    As you only belive the Quran, what is the use of debateing you? Parr how can I ask a question from the Quran, as I do not belive it is the work of any God.

    Question, according to most views, Mohammed's visions are in the Quran, OK . If Mohammed could not read or write, hoe cam Mohammed see that Mohammeds words were written in the Quran?

    Ouestion. Explain how Mohammed's ( visits from the so called Angel Gabrael ) were almost 100% opposite from the Holy Bible. Did God ( god The FATHER) change his mind or did the Angel Gaberal lie?

    I belive quotes from all other Religions including Christianity were placed in the Quran to try and make it look like the Quran covered everything. As Mohammed had no whitnesses to his 'So  called visions, or his so called visits from Gabrial' how aew we to belive Mohammed saw anything?

    I belive God did not change his mind, the Angel Gabrial never visited Mohammed, so Mohammed made the Quran up by copying things he over heard about other Religions of the time.

    So to me the Quran is not the words of God, and is not reliable.


    crusader 112

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this



      Please quote ten connected verses from Quran which have been copied from some other religious book; with a reference from that book for comparison. Please

      1. libby101a profile image60
        libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How about one third of the entire book...except for the parts about "and his prophet Muhammad".

        I've read it Paar!  And honestly... Considering the fact that the Jews already had their bible.... and Muhammad used a lot of things from it.. I would say he copied.. but of course he couldn't read and write... but we all know how they "memorized" things back then--because all of the qu'ran was in the memories of his followers...and not written for hundreds of years!

        I would gather, since the OT was written first, then the Qu'ran was copying when it used parts of it... of course things were changed around to mean different things--- although the Qu'ran swears that the OT was of Allah... yet it changed meanings and made things totally different! And facts were way off! I guess it is safe to say that God doesn't lie or change... then why would the Qu'ran be of him, if words in it are different than that of the Torah... because it clearly says the Torrah is holy and of God!!!

        Something is messed up in the whole concept!

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        crusader112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Parr,
        Just putting Jesus and Mary in the Quran was copied from NT with enough changes to make it appear it was from Allah via Mohammed.

        Why would God change his mind from the NT to the Quran, simple answer God never changed his mind, I belive Mohammed did and said it was from God.

        The Quran copied ( and changed God's word from the OT) How can any of the OT be from Allah, Did Allah write the OT as well as the NT as well as the Quran,and God speaks different in the OT to the NT to the Quran, I do not belive God is like that.

        Mohammed had 500 years to change things and pretend it was from the Angel Gabrial, really how come God never spoke to Mohammed he did to the  true Prophets, now you try to tell us God changed his mind three times really Parr I do not think so.

        I agree with Libby, she tells the truth I belive.

        Parr when you can admit the Quran is neither reasonable or perfect, Jesus loves up in the Bible, Allah never loves you he just Comands you.

        I belive Mohammed copied from Jews and Christians, and still got it wrong.

        1. pisean282311 profile image58
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          well by now i know what paar would answer...see it is simple....which is first religion in the world?...well it is islam...now adam was muslim and so was abraham...all prophets gave same message but it kept on getting corrupted and so mohammed was sent...what looks as copied part is actually same revelations which moses or jesus received... but mohammed at same time removed parts which got corrupted with time...so quran is final version of god's message...

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Muhammad did not author Quran; it is the Creator-God who authored Quran.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Muhammad was an ignorant Goat herder I gather - he could not write - he was illiterate in fact. As his 9 year old bride can attest to.

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              crusader112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Then if Mohammed did no author the Quran, what was Mohammed here for.??
              Hey did Mohammed ( no witnesses ) recieve the last word of God, or did Joseph smith ( 10 witnesses) recieve the last word of God.
              Joseph Smith and 10 witnessess. against A ignorant Goat herder ( Mohammed )

              So Mohammed was only around to get 'special treatment from
              allah,' after all Allah gave Mohammed specal treatment, more wives, young wives, anything Mohammed wanted, and Mohammed did NOTHING to get " Allah's Blessing's his " so called' visits from a so called Angel  ment nothing as Allah wrote the Quran.?

              Mohammed wasted his time in a cave ( according to Parr, as Allah authored EVERYTHING)  so Mohammeds ' So called visits from Gabrial were a wast of TIME ) Allah wrote everything??

              Even Mainstream Islam is wrong, Mohammed did NOTHING  to help the Quran. so if Parr's words are 100% right "quote Muhammed DID not Author Quran, it is the Creator-God who Authored Quran."

              Parr had cleared this up, can anybody tell me what use Mohammed was, why Mohamed got special blessings from Allah?

              Help please if Parr is right then every body from Islam I have  ever talked to was wrong, Mohammed had nothing to do with the Quran, only Allah, please it that the was it, help me to understand?

            3. pisean282311 profile image58
              pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              @paar ofcourse muhammad didnot author the quran...he could not read and write ...so it was not possible for him to write...the creators of quran wrote quran is too a fact...but creators were not one they were more than one ...and it applies to all religious book man...it is humans who wrote...i dont doubt there intent and their belief that what they are writing came from god...it is human to do that...and there lies the problem ...we tend to freeze something in time and try to govern present times and lives based on something written thousands of years ago ...there lies problem..if we view these people as great human beings who intended to do good for humanity ...we can respect them but at same time move on then sticking to things which have become obsolete...things which are still relevant can be used ....

  10. Greek One profile image79
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Interesting fact:

    the original Quran initially had a whole lot of sketches and caricatures...

    but they were pulled out and burned (much like the scribes who drew them)

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      crusader112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yes Greek One, I seem to remember that I'm 67 you did jog my memory ty

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The Creator-God authored the Quran so it is very relevant now. Quran is for the guidance of man in ethical, moral and spiritual realms. Human problems psyche and nature does not change; so it is relevant as it was relevant then.

    1. libby101a profile image60
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If there is no record of Muhammad's life then how do you know he existed other than a bunch of people writing down something that happened a few hundred years before their time? How do you know it's  not all a myth?

      Anybody can write a book Paar! As did all the followers of Muhammad! They wrote a book about a man who stole booty and caused war and wanted to be equal to God!

  12. Shahid Bukhari profile image60
    Shahid Bukhariposted 6 years ago

    Al Quran ... Is The Word of God .

    Should we then seek scholarly opinions of those ... who, as Historians, are always Prejudiced ...

    Therefore ... When dealing with the subject of Prophets ... particularly their Historical singnificance ... Trust their Scriptures.

 
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