I find it hard to believe that God will punish a sinner for eternity. Say, burn him sans the possibility of escape for eternity.
God is love.
I am an ardent believer in Christ and that belief has made me realize that though there would be some retribution and discipline, eternal mortification letting the soul die but keeping the body alive without a hope for reparation just is not possible with God.
Most Christians would find this unpalatable. I don't know............
This is why He offers us the liberty of constant personal improvement - even when our body is in the ground. However, there is a winding up scene. The final battle, after the millenium, will be the point of decision. Who among the children of man will stand with Michael and the hosts of God, and who among the children of man will "knowingly" opt for the side of Satan. I say knowingly because at that point in the winding up scenes of the millenium all will have been taught the eternal truths of God. Those who altogether turn away from God will, by personal choice, endure eternal outer darkness. That is not God's punishment. That's a choice. Eternal punishment is not physical fires, growing horns and walking around with tails and pitchforks. Eternal punishment is that personal knowledge that you have chosen not to partake of eternal progression of expanding knowledge, hope and joy. It is the personal lake of fire and brimstone.
I'm already in the lake of fire. And subject to get in the line of fire too!
If I wear a black and white striped shirt, can I be the referee?
You know, I don't buy any of that really, but I have to tell you, of all the Christians who post regularly on HP, you always come off sounding like the one who probably actually pays attention to what is in the book. I appreciate your take on things, and you are always hopeful and respectful. I bet if more Christians were like you, there'd be a lot more Christians.
The popular christian concept of hell is false, for they repeat thins they do not understand. thus they used right knowledge wrongfully.
You see the knowledge of hell was given to those who belong to life not to condemn them but for their eternal benefit.
And by that same knowledge, the others(those of hell) will rightfully heap comdemnation upon themselves.
When it is said that hell is burning forever, that is true, for that is the nature of hell itself that cannot ever change.
In this life we have an opportunity to see Life and to see death.
Hell and death are synonymous.
Death and hell already resides within us. It is present in the mindset of all of us.
But it s also true that Life and heaven is also within Us.
So to escape hell is to turn away from the hellish mindset and turn towards the heavenly mindset.
Bur in reality not all are able to do such.
For those who belong to hell can only rerun to their place.
And to fulfill their destiny they must do the works which would give the right to inherit that which is their own.
Since Hell will always exist and it nature unchangeable, it will be used for the benefit of Heaven.
So we see that the burning , the fires, the wailing , weeping, and all the evil that makes up hell, will be used to perpetuate Life itself.
Now how then it is possible?
The answers are the inheritance of the children of God, children of Heaven.
And to them Hell will never nor can ever exist.
I believe that for this particular subject the words eternal, and everlasting need to be closely evaluated especially if we are to believe that the words of Isaiah will be fufilled, "Every knee will bend and every tongue will swear" How could this be possible if many people will be tortured in Hell forever?
One of the statements that is made in John 5:29 is that the rightous and the wicked will be resurected. since this is possible there are two different states which the wicked will be in, one before the resurection and one after. But since the name of God is eternal and endless, then it is safe to say that it would be God's punishment, and can refer to the nature of the punishment rather than the duration. That is if we are to believe that the atonement of Jesus Christ encompasses all.
I prefer to interpert the eternal state of man as a consignment which leaves us in a state which we are comfortable with, weather we make the choice to be with God or not. Though in truth being with God would be an ultimate state of happiness, and without him it would be darkness and misery.
I know many sinners, plus many Christians, struggle with this question.
However, I will ask this----
If you don't believe God when He mentions eternal punishment, how can you then believe Him when He mentions eternal Life?
I think we either trust Him and take Him at His word, or we believe a lie and be damned. (Mark 16: 16).
I don't think God is a torturer like dickie cheney. This is for the ones that are out. From chap. 18 of rev. AND THEY CAST DUST ON THEIR HEADS
This is why He offers us the liberty of constant personal improvement - even when our body is in the ground.
not biblical. After death the judgment.
Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"
So me and God were hanging out the other night, (Sorry Hanging Out) we were in the bar playing pool. He was winning of course, so I said "Do you know what they're saying about you?"
He says "They're always saying something, what now?"
I said "They say that somewhere, out in the cosmos, is this huge concentration camp where most of us human's are going. Coz apparently it's a tough time to get to easy street and an easy time to get to tough street. When we're there we're gonna be tortured by fire and suffer like Hell and, unlike the Reich that was only supposed to last a thousand years, your concentration camp is there forever. You are the Camp Commandant and your angels are the guards."
"Why do they think I would do that?" said God
"They say it's because you love us" I answered.
That was enough to make him scratch on the eight ball and I won.
Will you and I burn for enternity in hell?
If one believes in the Creator-God Allah YHWH and thanks him for bestowing life to one; why should one burn for enternity in hell?
[4:148] Why should Allah punish you, if you are thankful and if you believe? And Allah is Appreciating, All-Knowing.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=147
No need to burn in hell
Just to be on the safe side, I have decided to believe that the bible is NOT the truth. Hence, no fear of going to hell, and no reason to ponder such irrelevant questions.
One's decision does not change the facts. Does it change, really?
So, then, here are the facts: The bible is not based on truth.
That is likewise for the Q'uran, and any other religious books. They are books of myths, NOT TRUTHS.
Hence, my decision is based on fact, and common sense.
Please don't get me wrong; I never said that other books are false; but since these are not in the original language and the original text; hence one cannot get Truth for clear from them. Quran was revealed to restate the facts truthfully. Quran preserves the original lasting teachings of other books in it and refines them. This way other books have been afforded a respect.
Please get yourself corrected
I'd be interested in an explanation as to how, exactly, one burns for eternity in Hell.
There's our physical body (and we all know how something like cremation works). Then there may or may not be soul that does or does not have some other life after we die. (I'm just leaving room for all the different beliefs here, because, obviously, not all schools of religious thought can be correct. Someone may be right. Some have to be wrong.)
Anyway, so with the soul... I can see how there could be some form of non-physical pain experienced by a soul (even eternally); but souls don't have the nerve endings (which experience pain) that physical bodies do (so, to me, if there's any eternal pain and suffering, it can't possibly be "burning in Hell"). I won't be around this thread to see it, but seeing these "issues" addressed might be interesting.
If you are waiting for heaven , you cannot escape hell as well because they are two sides of same coin. In case discard everything about heaven, hell too go away. It is based on what you believe however remember what is good can be bad at other time as change is permanent. Hence simply give away all expectations of love and hate, they will leave you too and keep you in bliss with no attachment and aversion.
Easy solution for you.
Rip the pages out that mention anything about hell, burning, judgment, punishment, death etc.
It's easy!! Won't be the first time it's been done.
Will that suffice to remedy the concept in your mind?
Will you and I burn for enternity in hell?
Me, probably, hahahaha, seriously who would really know that, unless you strayed off a path of a normal life, doing evil deeds, such as stealing, killing, decieving, hurting people and causing destruction, you'll find out when you pass on and be judged, for how you lived your life...
Two problems with you comment.
1) Who sets the standard? You? or God? So straying from the "path" is determined by the standard, not the one straying.
2)If you have to wait till you get there, it will be too late! If you "strayed" you cannot undo it.
Food for thought.
My food for thought...
One, i would have to say God is the judge is the sentencing of one's soul in the after life and two, if you astrayed from the path and of course you are aware you strayed, then you've chosen that path, but their are always choices, you can reform to have a clean slate.
This quandr;y was poseed to the Catholic church at one time, hence the concept of Purgatory came into being. A second chance to correct ones ways, a halfway point if you will.
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