Is burning the Koran any more insulting or offensive as certain other countries burning the Stars and Stripes or the Union jack and effigies of our democratically elected leaders?
It is the Muslims Holy bible. Yes. You can get any worse than that. Whats worse a Pastors doing this. Talk about "sad", horrific.
Very disappointing in my opinion. Ours and the Muslims Quran's / Holy bibles are written by qualified ministers. You can't get any better than that. Also, what the Pastors doing is an act of war
by threatening to burn them. That kind of makes him look like
an idiot. Mocking church/religion etc.. .
I for one and a proud Christian. I personally am insulted.
Putting our awesome troops in danger for his stupidity.
Again, in my opinion.
Smiles to all
But it's just a booook!
Surely allah/yahweh/god and moh/jesus/abe/whoever are big enough to take a bit of mockery...can't their followers do the same?
As a Christian myself, I find it very insulting that another Christian would call the Koran "holy" at all. At best, it's a poor imitation of the Bible, and at worst, a devilish book.
Remind you of anything?---like, perhaps, the Devil's habit of quoting Scripture with a wicked twist? Nah, maybe you just don't get it at all.
"An act of war"? Dear God, I hope you jest. Lord grant that woman a smidgen of wisdom please.
Just as the Bible is a poor immitation of the Jewish Bible and the Jewish Bible is a poor immitation of the Book of the Dead used by the ancient Eqyptions (founders of the modern western religions). The Jewish Bible, The Holy Koran, and the Holy Bible all say the same thing (I read through all three) and I concluded if you took out all the death threats and bigotry, these books can be summed up in a few pages.
Wow. That really smacks of a supremacist attitude. You imply that nothing is sacred except for that which YOU value as sacred. Can it be any wonder then, how others don't have respect for Christians when so many Christians don't have respect for other religions?
All I will say is this:
If I purchase a copy of the Koran, then I am the rightful owner of that property.
If I then choose to burn that book... well... it's a waste of money, but ultimately MY decision to make.
NO ONE has the right to tell me what I can and cannot do to MY copy of the Koran that I purchased with MY money.
Owning Truth, is a very difficult proposition ... Do you understand ?
The answer is so simple - what about if your holy book were burnt by others ?
What is "holy"?
If the fellow has paid the money to get the book, he can as well eat it, who cares?
It has been, and pissed on, among many other examples of "Art", and "free speech", it is to be expected in a society where people are free to do, and say as they wish.
Which in Isalm is not so... welcome to America and freedom.
He, or they, can buy it, he or they can burn it, piss on it, wipe their asses with it, or any other thing they wish to do with your holy book, or mine.
And there is nothing you can do about it... welcome to the club.
It is called freedom.
You are ignoring the question, though. There is absolutely a legal right in the U.S. to burn books. The question was --'how offensive is it,' not 'is it legal.'
The Courts have ruled it is freedom of expression, and freedom of speech... that is what counts.
We, Christians, do not like our book burned it all... but we do not kill and slaughter and burn and stone people over it. That is not your right to do regardless of how you feel about their actions... too bad.
You do not have to like my rights, for them to be my rights... that is just the fact of it.
And my answer was the answer to your question... they have the right to do it... period! You do not get to slaughter and burn people and churches because they do it.
Burning any book religious or not is an offence against man and literature. Books are nobody's enemy.
No more or less insulting or offensive -- desecrating anyone's sacred book or flag or icon is the height of disrespect.
Should America be held to a different standard? Yes.
Other countries don't have the same Constitution we have.
Obviously they feel differently about a lot of things -- the value of human life, for one.
Here we have something called "freedom of religion." As Americans we have an obligation to uphold that.
Burning Korands is much more than a cheap publicity trick (and unfortunately, it's working). It's a foolhardy act.
Like waving a red glad in front of the bull in a bullfight.
Not very smart.
And finally, pretty despicable behavior coming from a "man of God." That's not my God.
We shouldn't do things like this for the same reason we would find it offensive if someone burned our flag in this country. This country is made up of people of different cultures and we have to respect each one, even if we don't agree with certain beliefs. That's what makes this country great.
I heard a pastor once say some very wise words. Rather than preaching that we should pray for each person in this country to follow God, we should all pray that our governmental leaders have the wisdom to uphold religious tolerance and freedom to allow everyone to decide what they want to do with their lives.
Burning newspapers is much more less controversial and beneficial than burning quran ;-)
ignorance is no alibi, maybe the good pastor of Jesus should read the Koran before he burns it, however I stand by his right to do it. Just as I stand by the Right of the Muslim community to build a mosque near ground zero.
Without the constitution the United States is a third world country ruled by Tyrants, oh wait....they've already subverted the
constitution and we are a third world country ruled by an Oligarchy headed by a British Subject.....we are under tyranny,
in that case burn the Koran and knock down that mosque....or don't build that mosque and don't burn that koran......what difference does it really make, the powers that be keep the sheeple ever ignorant and hateful. That's what it's really all about, keeping people angry and fearing the limit we call death.
Got to fear for our very lives, otherwise there is no place in this here Good US one nation under god, no we've been under the eye of the Illumined ones. Enslaved and we are all serfs because the federal reserve owns each and every one of us and the British crown owns the Federal Reserve.
So all this bantering about hate, whether it's illegal aliens or muslims wanting to practice their faith in piece, comes from those who have sworn to protect us, they no longer care to protect us from ourselves, and as all of this shit hits the fan, we will find we are our own worst enemies. Nothing like looking into the face of god when you wake up in the morning.
Krishna says to Arjuna, "in the end when I show myself, Wholly,
man will see how perverse he has become."
Now that's what I call the 'last' judgement.
Well, both are condemnable and shameful acts!! I don't think sane people participate in either. It is unnecessary provocation. I hope better sense prevails!!
It's just a childish act by a man who doesn't have whole lot more time on this earth. That pastor needs to grow up.
They say "youth is wasted on the young." Well, in this case, "wisdom is wasted on the old."
Interesting responses, as also other replies in another thread.
I find the action, neither appalling or even relevant. It is one single book, burned for a singular reason and that person did not HURT anyone in the process of doing it.
If it's seen as a sign of disrespect, then those who see it that way should get over themselves and see it from a different perspective other than the self-absorbed view used.
If a person wants to burn a flag, regardless of what country it is from, it is their right and freedom to do, as long as no one is hurt during the action. It's their individual right to protest if they so choose and it isn't anyone's place to tell them different, because it isn't anyone's place to infringe upon their individual right to life and right to choose.
I'm already getting sick of hearing about this subject and people need to seriously grow up.
I think most people would do well to not talk about the Koran as long as they know virtually nothing about it.
That's what i said. Burning newspapers is better.
Are you assuming that anyone that doesn't Islam or the Qu'ran must be ignorant?
That is remarkable arrogance on your part if you are - it is basically saying that anyone who doesn't hold my opinion is ignorant.
I don't like it because I do know about it, not because I don't.
Oh come on bible or quran is just another book written on paper. And none of us in this forum paid for that copy(which was burned). So why bother if someone burns it ? It's loss of those who paid for it.
Just because bible preaches love doesn't mean it's peaceful towards rest of the religions and ideologies. And same goes with quran, just because it is loaded with keywords like "peace", "surrender" doesn't mean that it is in peace with other religions/ideologies.
No matter how you interpret these verses they end up showing islam's no-tolerance policy towards those who don't subscribe to islam.
As for burning scripture part goes, it's quite common here in asia. Pakistani's burn flags of USA/India/UK on regular basis. And some religious nutcase in india do the same.
http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/2 … -in-dhule/
People tend to forget that there were Muslims in the Twin Towers during 9/11 who also died. Whereas a mosque at ground zero is something I cannot condone, the notion of burning copies of the Koran in remembrance of 9/11 is also not a good thing.
Many people say that the loe of money is the root of all evil.
I don't think so.
In my opinion, Self justification, for doing something that we know is not the right thing to do, is the root of all evil.
Just a thought.
actually it's God who says the love of money is the root of all evil.
Guess HIs thoughts aren't always our thoughts, huh?
I don't know ? It just doesn't seem right.
I guess that this would be one of those things that I would have to question.
The manner in which we self justify in order to get the money?
How many sins are committed that money is not involved?
Murders committed for jealousy,
lust of sex, or power ????
I knew that I had Read that money was the root of all evil but do not remember where It is written..
1 Timothy 6: 10 says the love of money is the root of all evil.
However, I think you may be right after all, in that it means that the love of money is the root of many kinds of evil, but is NOT the only source of evil.
My apologies for confusing this subject.
No problem.. If I had remembered where this was written or if I had had the initiative I would have looked it up.
Thank you or finding it or me.
This is an example of something that I have mentioned before.
Many people will read something that one of the disciples said and take it as if Jesus was the one that said it. Forgetting that the disciples were just people who sometimes embellish upon a point due to the situation at hand.
I don't think that this can be said for those things that Jesus said. I believe this is why Jesus often spoke in parables.
When Jesus spoke in definitive terms, they meant exactly what was spoken.
But that is just my prospective.
I also apologize for posting OFF the original topic.
@brenda money is human creation not gods...money is mere mode for transaction...how can something which is means be root of evil...root of evil is greed and money,gold,politics and even religion are means for that greed...so we see some many religion ,politics nexus...that is root of evil...money , power , gold , politics ,religion are neutral ..how one uses it matters and alas most use it for greed...
I think, as with a lot of things, it is down to intent.
If someone burns the Koran in their fireplace in the privacy of their own home to keep warm
Burning a Koran in a public place to make a gesture
In the second instance, that person must be aware that they are being provocative and wanting to whip up a reaction, In the first, they are just trying to keep warm!
Is burning the Koran any more insulting or offensive as certain other countries burning the Stars and Stripes or the Union jack and effigies of our democratically elected leaders?
hi all /good thread/good variety of ideas
i always try to answer the question
my answer is no it is not
a political or democratic symbol v a religous symbol
what is being insulted in both cases are peoples beliefs embodied in the effigy or book
burning or destroying these things is a childish thing to do
i can't play with it so i'm going to break it
it is also a conscious act to send a message of threat to the person who holds that symbol dear/good subject but to answer the question /the answer is no
If burning the Koran is more offensive then burning the stars n stripes for instance, maybe we need to come up with an equation for when its ok to burn the Koran.
If M equals the Koran being burnt
and X equals the stars n stripes being burnt
and Y equals the value of insult that will be attained by burning said symbol
we can calculate how may stars n stripes can be burned before we can burn a koran. Something like
if M=X/2 then X/2=MY so we can deduce that for every 2 flags burned we can burn on Koran?
Sounds reasonable don't it? Perhaps a mathematician out there could refine the formula for ascertaining when it is OK to burn a Koran?
On balance it would be more reasonable and useful to the world if we burned the people who burn anything that increases the heat of hatred and division. You know, just like the christians did when they took over 1500 years ago and continued doing so until common sense took hold and they had their vicious teeth pulled.
Burning people instead? Well they did manage to rid the world of those pesky witches! Or did they?
From the numbers that post in these forums I guess they missed a few, they must have diguised themselves as christians
I think they must be pretty red in the face now!
Seems like more then a few to me, tho some of it is going to be peer pressure surely
mao was a top class book burner
no need to respond on this china man/approx 55000 women were burned in europe as witches /not a witch among them
a bit shallow and insensitive lads if you ask me
what we call up our way gobshites
Just thought you might need this, from the dictionary
a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, esp. a story with a funny punchline : she was in a mood to tell jokes.
• a trick played on someone for fun.
• [in sing. ] informal a person or thing that is ridiculously inadequate : the transportation system is a joke.
make jokes; talk humorously or flippantly : she could laugh and joke with her colleagues | [with direct speech ] “It's OK, we're not related,” she joked.
• [ trans. ] archaic poke fun at : he was pretending to joke his daughter.
We could between us formulate a rock solid solution for all the problems of the world and it would mean squat. This is a forum, not to be mistaken for real life
did you look where you guys were having the chat kirstenblog
its called burning the koran
i take your point and conceed
glad you were only joking
i was just back from the hub about evacuating christians out of iraq
i come to hubs not as a social networking pastime but with a zeal to change and influence
usally i do this in a ham fisted way
this may have been one ot those times
I treat my hubs with much more seriousness then I do the forums. When I am motivated and itching to work I write hubs. When I am bored (like today) and unmotivated thats when I hit the forums. Having been around for more then a year I have yet to see anyone change their beliefs because of the forums. Sometimes someone will have read a hub that really got them thinking and they post here to see if others are equally provoked into thought, for rebuttals, ect. But in the forums, the religious will always be religious, the atheists will always be atheists and those in the middle will always have fun in the middle
i view the forums differently
you get immediate response/people off their guard/more energy/more people listening in /its the market square /its standing on the box
look how we tangled/ i have an idea of what i think you are like by your response to my firs onslaught/our interaction has been real and evolving/ i like the forums better/thats where the work gets done
Oh I can have a whale of a time getting tangled with someone who is not trying to convert me to their way of thinking but just wanting to challenge and be challenged. I am a writer after all
Gotta love having the chance to sharpen my writing wit
I just have seen so many get upset and leave, folks I really liked chatting with. I have seem the same arguments over and over again in the space of merely one year. Talking about serious issues seriously was getting me no where, so I am going the other way
Perhaps by being silly will bring these things back down to size. Well anyway, it is nice to chat with someone willing to actually debate . I am sure from time to time our writing wit will be tested by the other and I shall look forward to seeing how you change in the time to come
So you will be apologising to me for the gobshite insult then - so that I don't have to go into the whole turnip head routine thingy ??
if it saves me from the turnip head thingy then i definately want to apologise
Just remember burning God's book is between you and God and God takes account of everything. When a muslim says dont do it its because he cares for Allah's book but he also cares about what might happen to you for doing such a thing as burning Allah's book. Try to see why we might be averse to it and that its not only about us but we do worry what on earth will Allah do to us if as Muslims we dont try and protect his book
Lets connect this and terrorism.
We all know that there is a bunch of pathetic losers you say they are muslim, but they aren't? (some of you may dissagre but thats another matter) they think violence is an answer.
Now lets pretend they see Americans burn the quran. what do you think they will do?? 9/11 and all that. so, in a way Islamic terrorism is the Quran burners fault.
P.S Quran is spell "Quran," not Quran.
im planning to burn the the bible,after all its just a book!,how do u christians feel about it.i mean for me its a fiction...........i know u wanna kill me.............
ohh you re speaking aboute israel
muslims are againste israel not againste judaisme
and thy burn the flag because it s the representation of e nation that murder and kill muslims and took there land ,no matter what is ther religion ,
you will find no muslim burn the torah or the gospel
but burn the holy coran if you wont it youre choise and you will be held responsible but what ever happens to you blame only youre self
burn it if you wont but you have only youre self to blame
"Burning the Koran"
They can only burn the Quran written on paper it has been printed on; the Quran written in the memory and hearts of the Muslims would still exist; no harm could be done to it.
Allah shall deal with the person who burns the Qur'an according to Allah's desire on them.
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