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  1. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago


    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt


    The scribes of the four gospels as you know were not themselves eyewitnesses of the event of Crucifixion of Jesus; as Matthew plainly admits; they the disciples all fled away.

    So whatever they wrote is just an account of hearsay.

    Please access the above links to know of “eye witness” account of the event.

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      prayersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Actually "The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ According To St. John" was written by St. John who was an eye witness.  John 19: 26-27 says "When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son.  After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own." 

      John refers to himself as the disciple whom Jesus loved through out the Gospel.

      Secondly, this website you are quoting here.  Since you believe this to be a sacred writing that your readers should believe, please confirm that it is a writing that all Muslims believe to be true.  If it is not a sacred scripture of Muslims, please state why you believe it.

      1. 69
        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        John was not an eye-witness; Matthew makes no exception of John; he says that all fled away.

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          prayersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So Muslims believe that the Gospel of Matthew is true and the Gospel of John is not.  Please explain.  Also explain whether the Gospel of Luke and the Gospel of Mark are true or not.

          Please list the writings other than the Quran that Muslims believe are sacred and true.

          1. 69
            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            They may be true sometimes while most of the times they may not be true. They don't contain, any of them, Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH in the original language reveald; they contain hearsay account of Jesus' life.

  2. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    From Crucifixion by an eye-witness:

    I was deeply anxious that Joseph and
    Nicodemus should return. At last some
    Galilean women were seen approaching on
    their return from Bethania, whither they
    had brought Mary, the mother of Jesus, in
    the care of the Esseer friends.

    And among the women was also Mary,
    the sister of Lazarus, who had loved Jesus,
    and she wept loudly. But before she could
    pour out her grief, and while John was
    gazing intently at the wound in Jesus' side,
    heeding naught else, Joseph and Nicode-
    mus returned in great haste. Joseph
    through his dignity had moved Pilate, and
    Pilate, having received information as to
    the death of the crucified, gave the body to
    Joseph, and without taking pay therefor.

    For Pilate had a great reverence for
    Joseph, and secretly repented of the execu-
    tion. When Nicodemus saw the wound,
    flowing with water and blood, his eyes were
    animated with new hope, and he spoke en-couragingly,
    foreseeing what was to happen.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

  3. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    From Crucifixion by an eye-witness:

    He (Nicodemus) drew Joseph aside to where I stood,
    some distance from John, and spoke in a
    low, hurried tone: "Dear friends, be of
    good cheer, and let us to work. Jesus is
    not dead. He seems so only because his
    strength is gone."

    "While Joseph was with Pilate I hur-
    ried over to our colony and fetched the
    herbs that are useful in such cases. But I
    admonish you that you tell not John that
    we hope to reanimate the body of Jesus,
    lest he could not conceal his great joy.
    And dangerous indeed would it be if the
    people should come to know it, for our
    enemies would then put us all to death with
    him. ,,

    After this they hurried to the cross, and,
    according to the prescriptions of the medi-
    cal art, they slowly untied his bonds, drew
    the spikes out from his hands, and with
    great care laid him on the ground.

    Thereupon, Nicodemus spread strong
    spices and healing salves on long pieces of
    "byssus" which he had brought, and whose
    use was known only in our Order.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

  4. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    More from Crucifixion by an eye-witness:

    These he (Nicodemus) wound about Jesus ' body, pre-
    tending that he did so to keep the body
    from decaying until after the feast, when
    he would then embalm it.

    These spices and salves had great heal-
    ing powers, and were used by our Esseer
    Brethren who knew the rules of medical
    science for the restoration to consciousness
    of those in a state of death-like fainting.
    And even as Joseph and Nicodemus were
    bending over his face and their tears fell
    upon him, they blew into him their own
    breath, and warmed his temples.

    Still Joseph was doubtful of his recovery
    to life, but Nicodemus encouraged him to
    increase their efforts. Nicodemus spread
    balsam in both the nail-pierced hands, but
    he believed that it was not best to close up
    the wound in Jesus' side, because he con-
    sidered the flow of blood and water there-
    from helpful to respiration and beneficial
    in the renewing of life.

    In the midst of his grief and sorrow,
    John did not believe that life would return
    to the body of his friend, and he did not
    hope to see him again until they should
    meet in ' ' Scheol. ' '

    The body was then laid in the sepulchre
    made in the rocks, which belonged to
    Joseph. They then smoked the grotto
    with aloe and other strengthening herbs,
    and while the body lay upon the bed of
    moss, still stiff and inanimate, they placed
    a large stone in front of the entrance,
    that the vapors might better fill the grotto.

    This done, John, with some others, went
    to Bethania, to comfort his grief-stricken

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

  5. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    More from the crucifixion by an eye-witness:

    One of our brethren went to the grave,
    in obedience to the order of the Brother-
    hood, dressed in the white robe of the
    fourth degree. He went by way of a secret
    path which ran through the mountain to
    the grave, and which was known only to
    the Order.

    When the timid servants of the high-
    priest saw the white-robed Brother on the
    mountain slowly approaching, and partial-
    ly obscured by the morning mist, they were
    seized with a great fear, and they thought
    that an angel was descending from the

    When this Brother arrived at the grave
    which he was to guard, he rested on the
    stone which he had pulled from the en-
    trance according to his orders ; whereupon
    the soldiers fled and spread the report that
    an angel had driven them away.

    When the Esseer youth had set himself
    down upon the stone, there came a new
    earth-shock, and a draft of air passing
    down the grotto blew out the lamp and
    gave place for the morning light.

    Thirty hours had now passed since the
    assumed death of Jesus. And when the
    Brother, having heard a slight noise within
    the grotto, went in to observe what had
    happened, he smelled a strange odor in the
    air, such as often occurs when the earth is
    about to vomit forth fire.

    And the youth observed with inexpressi-
    ble joy that the lips of the body moved, and
    that it breathed. He at once hastened to
    Jesus to assist him, and heard slight
    sounds rising from his breast. The face
    assumed a living appearance, and the eyes
    opened and in astonishment gazed at the
    novice of our Order.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

  6. Dave Mathews profile image60
    Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago

    There is no biblical scripture to substantiate this tale. I therefore see it as some Muslim Islamic tale told to try and discredit the facts reported in the Holy Bible.

    1. 69
      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      simply prove it to be wrong

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Simly prove your assertions 2 b right innit? Usmanali.

  7. iantoPF profile image87
    iantoPFposted 6 years ago

    It seems that the MO of this guy is to start a thread with an inflamatory remark. Wait for serious minded people to take the bait, then when the questions get too tough, he abandons it and starts a thread somewhere else.
    I have drawn my own conclusions about this person, let others draw their's and leave him to enjoy his own mischief making.

    1. libby101a profile image60
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Absolute truth you speak iantoPF!

      He starts a dozen threads a day and when the heat gets on him.... he abandons it and starts a new one... some with the exact same title!

    2. 69
      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "THE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS" is the title of this thread.

      What is bad in this title? Please

      1. libby101a profile image60
        libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nothing wrong with the title Paarsurrey! Didn't mean the title was wrong.. I meant you start more than one hub with similiar titles!

  8. iantoPF profile image87
    iantoPFposted 6 years ago

    Nothing wrong in the Title, it would make a good title for a Hub. Why don't you write one?
    Remember, name of the site;


  9. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    THE CRUCIFIXION - BY AN EYEWITNESS" is the title of this thread; and I don't mind if somebody refutes the arguments

  10. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Jesus recognized his Esseer

    This occurred just as I was leaving with
    the brethren of the first degree, from the
    council, with Joseph, who had come to con-
    sult how to bring help.

    Nicodemus, who was an experienced phy-
    sician, said, on the way, that the peculiar
    condition of the atmosphere caused by the
    revolution of the elements was beneficial to
    Jesus, and that he never had believed that
    Jesus really was dead. And he further
    said that the blood and water which flowed
    from the wound was a sure sign that life
    was not extinct.

    Conversing thus, we arrived at the grot-
    to, Joseph and Nicodemus going before.
    We were in all twenty-four brethren of the
    first degree.

    Entering, we perceived the white-robed
    novice kneeling upon the moss-strewn
    floor of the grotto, supporting the head of
    the revived Jesus on his breast.

    And as Jesus recognized his Esseer
    friends, his eyes sparkled with joy; his
    cheeks were tinted with a faint red, and he
    sat up, asking: " Where am It"

    Then Joseph embraced him, folded him
    in his arms, told him how it all had come
    to pass, and how he was saved from actual
    death by a profound fainting fit, which the
    soldiers on Calvary had thought was death.

    And Jesus wondered, and felt on him-
    self; and, praising God, he wept on the
    breast of Joseph. Then Nicodemus urged
    his friend to take some refreshments, and
    he ate some dates and some bread dipped
    in honey. And Nicodemns gave wine to
    drink, after which Jesus was greatly re-
    freshed, so that he raised himself up.

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  11. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago


    Then it was that he (Jesus) became conscious of
    the wounds in his hands and in his side.
    But the balsam which Nicodemus had
    spread upon them had a soothing effect,
    and they had already commenced to heal.

    After the "byssus" wrappings had been
    taken off and the muckender was removed
    from his head, Joseph spoke and said:
    "This is not a place in which to remain
    longer, for here the enemies might easily
    discover our secret, and betray us."

    But Jesus was not yet strong enough to
    walk far, wherefore he was conducted to
    the house belonging to our Order, that is
    close by Calvary, in the garden, which also
    belongs to our brethren.

    Another young Brother of our Order
    was dispatched at once to assist the novice
    who had been watching by the grave of
    Jesus, to annihilate every trace of the
    byssus wrappings and the medicines and
    drugs used.

    When Jesus arrived at the house of our
    brethren he was faint and weak. His
    wounds had begun to cause him pain. He
    was much moved, in that he considered it
    all as a miracle.

    1 < God has let me rise, ' ' he said, [ ' that he
    may prove in me that which I have taught,
    and I will show my disciples that I do live. ' '

    And after a little while the two young
    men who had gone to put the grave in
    order, came hurriedly back and brought
    the message that the friends of Jesus soon
    would come to seek him.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

  12. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago


    And they related how they had heard a
    noise, when at work in the grotto, as of
    many people coming to the fence that sur-
    rounds the garden. When they had retired
    yet further into the grotto, there came a
    woman on the road from Jerusalem, and
    when she saw that the stone had been
    rolled away from the grave she manifested
    great fear. She thought that something
    had happened to the body, and hurried
    away to Bethlehem.

    But soon thereafter other women came
    from Jerusalem, and approached the
    grave. Wondering greatly, they had en-
    tered the grave, and one of them, on look-
    ing for the body in the place where it had
    lain, beheld our Brother, and in terror
    pointed him out to her companions. When
    the other Brother also came in view, the
    women fell upon their faces, and thought
    they had beheld angels.

    And the brethren spoke to them as they
    had been ordered by those of the first de-
    gree, and one of them said to the women :
    " Jesus is risen. Do not look for him here.
    Say to his disciples that they will find him
    in Galilee.' ' And the other told them to
    gather the disciples and conduct them to

    This was devised by the wisdom of Jo-
    seph, for he would not that they should
    look for Jesus at Jerusalem, for his safe-
    ty's sake. And the brethren went out of
    the cavern by the rear entrance, and ob-
    served that some of the women hastened
    on the road to Bethania, whereupon the
    young Brothers hurried to us in the house
    to tell us of what had come to pass.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

  13. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago


    Thus the Esseer friends pleaded with
    Jesus to remain in concealment, for his
    safety's sake, and to recover his strength.
    But Jesus was moved by a great desire to
    prove to his friends that he still lived.

    Im-pelled by this desire, and feeling himself
    refreshed and strengthened, he asked for
    clothes, that he might go forth among his
    friends. He was immediately clothed in
    the Esseer working-garb, such as our
    brethren wear when at work. In this dress
    he appeared as a gardener.

    In the meantime the two young Brothers
    had gone again to the grave, as their work
    there was not yet completed. While there
    they saw the same woman return who came
    first to the grave, as John and Peter mean-
    while had made known among the disciples
    what had come to pass.

    This woman, thus returning to the grave,
    thought the two novices were angels guard-
    ing the empty grave, and she wept.

    One of the novices, of kindly disposition,
    in a gentle and soothing voice spoke to the
    woman and asked her why she wept. This
    woman was Mary, whom Jesus had loved
    and had been obliged to leave in accordance
    with the laws of our holy Brotherhood.

    And as she was lamenting that Jesus did
    not lie where he had been placed before the
    Sabbath, Jesus stood behind her, dressed in
    the garb of a gardener.

    Animated by the desire to see again those
    he loved, and to proclaim to them that he
    still lived, he had disregarded the advice
    of the brethren that he remain in conceal-
    ment, and, leaving the house, he had taken
    the path through the garden to the rock
    where the grave was hewn.

    When Mary saw him she thought him to
    be the gardener. But Jesus knew her, and
    rejoicing in her love he spoke to her. Still,
    in his weak and suffering condition, she did
    not know him. But when he exclaimed, 
    "Mary!" she knew him and longed to kiss
    his feet and thereafter embrace him.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

    1. skipper112 profile image61
      skipper112posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      which God do you follow paar, God (CHRISTIAN) Allah (MUSLIM) YHWH ( JEWISH) .................. do not quote all 3 Gods paar pick which one you follow and foget the other two.

      1. libby101a profile image60
        libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Muhammad! It's not the God of Abraham! Very different personalities!

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Surely all those are just different names for the same mythical being, depending on where you are standing ?

        1. libby101a profile image60
          libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Whatever you say China man! Apparently you like following me around and posting to my comments? Isn't this against the rules to follow someone and harrass them? Hmmm???

          If you say it's mythical...then to you it is! However in reality science cannot prove or disprove a God! That's called omniscience!!!

          What I said in my comment is true! Thanks for nothing! The God of Abraham in the Bible is a different God in personality than the God of the Qu'ran!

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You are correct! Science can't prove there aren't hundreds, if not thousands, of gods who vie for the souls of men.  What they would want them for (if they indeed exist) is beyond me!

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            china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You flatter yourself - it is unlikely that anyone is following you around let alone me.  I just respond to stupid comments, ridiculous thinking in print, moralising and ignorance wherever I find it.

            Such comments as these gods have a different 'personality'  Hmmm ?     A person has personality, gods - factual fictional or imaginary - could only be said to have godness.  And your arrogant assumption to speak for a possible omnipotent being and trying to tell me what it thinks and how it behaves is laughable in the extreme !

            It is not necessary to threaten me, far bigger mouths have done it all before, and also - to your credit - far more obnoxious people than you. In fact, on balance I quite like you and some of your posts I can even agree with.


          3. 69
            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friend libby101a

            It is the Christians inventing a new god Trinity; Abraham never believed in this trinity-god or jesus-god. The God of the Abraham as mentioned in OT and Quran is the same; no difference.

            I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran


            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

            1. skipper112 profile image61
              skipper112posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              paar how can you love Jesus, all you do is attack Jesus is this love?
              paar why do you disrepect Jesus?
              Paar why do you disrepect Christians with a vengance?
              I do not disrepect or respect Allah, or Mohammed ( after all the poor bugger could not read or write)so Mohammed could not write the Quran nor could Mohammed see if the so caled scribes wrote his 'visions' down correct, so tell me this how can anybody say the Quran is correct, just a thought.
              I do not even hate you paar, as you only heap untruth and missquotes as well as false statements about my Lord Jesus Christ who died on the cross to save mankind, yes even you paar.
              God bless,
              May The Lord Jesus Christ help you to see' the way the truth and the light.' without insults.

  14. I am DB Cooper profile image66
    I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago

    Well then, I guess it's only a matter of time before the video is posted to YouTube.

  15. jondav profile image66
    jondavposted 6 years ago

    Have you ( the OP) not got anything better to do than post some crap about an event no-one can prove did or didn't happen?

    1. 69
      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend jondav

      You know the majority of the people in the world are Christians; they think Jesus died a curesed death on Cross; such a mythical belief. I think it is time well-consumed to bring them to the reality; it is in service of the humanity to bring them out of superstition and myth.


      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  16. skipper112 profile image61
    skipper112posted 6 years ago

    still follow you paar untill you answer my question, Why if the Quran is correct and reasonable, the Quran says you can have 1 to 4 wives only, you must do what is written in the Quran, why can Mohemmed have OVER 12 WIVES, when the Quran clearly says 1 to 4?? ANSWER PAAR

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is clearly to do with depreciation of assets.  I guess the exchange rate at that time was quite good in the improving economic situation that the rise of Islam brought to that region.  I mean, with a surplus of women and the high price of camels it would make sense to get more woman for your money.  And maybe he did not favour fat women, so would have a price/weight advantage ?

      1. libby101a profile image60
        libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol.. fat women?

  17. skipper112 profile image61
    skipper112posted 6 years ago


  18. 69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago


    But Jesus, feeling the pain in his hands
    and side, feared to embrace her lest he
    might thereby injure his wounds. He there-
    fore moved back from her as she ap-
    proached, and said:

    1 ' Touch me not. Though I still live, yet
    soon shall I go to my Father in heaven ; for
    my body is become feeble and soon shall be
    dissolved, that my death may be fulfilled."

    As the woman knelt down, and with great
    excitement fixed her eyes upon him, Jesus
    heard the sound of approaching footsteps,
    and, careful for his safety, hastened back,
    placing himself behind the garden wall not
    far from the garden of our friends.

    And the two youths who were charged to
    guard the grave, and who had been in-
    structed to thwart the enemies' spies who
    were seeking to find Jesus, had seen and
    heard all this.

    Meanwhile Joseph, Nicodemus and the
    other brethren had come from the house
    into the garden to look after Jesus and take
    due care that he was not in peril because of
    his great weakness. This Nicodemus feared
    inasmuch as he had seen that the wounds
    were more inflamed and the flesh where the
    strong cords had been was now dark of

    When we had arrived at the entrance of
    the garden we beheld Jesus standing behind
    the wall and resting against it as if he could
    go no further.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

  19. donotfear profile image90
    donotfearposted 6 years ago

    This was an interesting read, I've never read it before. It must be what the Masonic Lodge is all about, I assume.  As for whether this account is true or not: maybe it is, maybe it isn't.  It is an eye opener, another account.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for your appreciation.

      There were infact forty gospels out of which only four are included in the Bible; the selection was made at random or without any merit. In the times of Edward VII , Church of England published all the forty bound in one volume, for presentation of the King at his coronation; this shows that the Church respects or should respect all the forty equally and equitbly.

      The four gosples fail to describe the whole life account of Jesus; they covered only three years of his life; hence it is imperative for the Christians that the read all the forty gospels to know about the truthful life account of Jesus who died at the age of 120/125 years in India.

      1. skipper112 profile image61
        skipper112posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        paar Jesus never went to India how could he Jesus died on the Cross, I belonged to The Church of England for a part of my life, and their bible has less that the Catholic bible in the OT the NT are the same, so  give me proof of your insane belief, Jesus never went to India ( prove it from the Quran or the Bible) or stop yoir uniformed attacks on Jusus paar, if as you say all 40 were given to the King how come they are not in the KJV of the Bibly. As usual you are mistaken and can only ATTACK Jesus, ( GIVE ME PROOF PAAR)

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          china manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          There is considerable evidence that the central figure of your religion went to India - at least as much as there is for his existence in the first place - why don't you stop shouting abuse and answer the questions he asks you, then perhpaps he might answer some of yours although I see he actually does this occasionally.

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
          2. skipper112 profile image61
            skipper112posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            chinaman, first paar must prove any attacks on Jesus can be verified, verify Jesus went to India, even Mainstream Muslims say this is false, mainstrean Islam says Jesus NEVER WENT TO INDIA so were is this 'considerable proof' produce it?

            when did paar answer any question except with another question?
            paar started the abuse and attacks on Jesus, he has only showen disrepect to Jesus and Christians ', what  you give out you get back, he stops I stop'
            now chinaman produce your proof that Jesus went ti India?

          3. 69
            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I agree with you. One may Google and find lot of information on this; from India, from Hindu scriptures, from Buddhist sources and a lot more.

            Buth the "Christians" are mythical, they cannot face the reality.

            1. skipper112 profile image61
              skipper112posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              paar it is you that CANNOT face REALITY, your only reason for EXISTENCE os to try ( and always fail) to discredit Christianity.
              You say Jesus did not die on the cross, Blatent lie.
              You say Jesus was saved by your God Allah, Blatent lie.
              You say Jesus went to India Blatent lie.
              you always attack Jesus, yet say you love Jesus Blatent Lie.
              you say Jesus prayed to your God Allah blatent lie.
              You say Jesus and Mohammed and now Budda were friends, blatent lie.
              What is next paar before you run out of insults about Jesus???

              1. Druid Dude profile image61
                Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                This is not scripture. If the original source is a certain historian, then the account is definitely in doubt. It could come from one of the gospels that didn't make the cut into the finished testament. The stated reason would have been that the account was doubtful.

                1. skipper112 profile image61
                  skipper112posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  well said Druid Dute,
                  Have a good day'
                  God bless

  20. 69
    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago


    It was about this time that John hastened
    from the city, and looking into the grotto
    had found it vacant. For the two youths
    had made their way to our garden through
    the secret entrance to the grotto.

    Peter also arrived, and both together
    searched throughout the grotto for signs of
    the body. Entering the inner part of the
    grotto they found the muckender where the
    novices had thrown it, whence they had fled
    at the arrival of these two strange persons.

    In earnest conversation the two disciples
    hurried back into the city.

    And Jesus had slowly walked along the
    wall until he had reached the little gate that
    opens to the valley of Mount ^Grihon."
    There he listened to the conversation of
    some women outside the wall. When he
    came forth and the women had beheld him
    they believed that they had seen an appari-
    tion. But Jesus spoke to them in order that
    they might know that it was indeed him-

    http://www.archive.org/stream/crucifixi … h_djvu.txt

    1. skipper112 profile image61
      skipper112posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      name your source Paar, is it the Bible the Quran.??
      no good unless you name your source ok?